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Agent LeFemme	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:44:00 - [1] Edited by: Agent LeFemme on 22/01/2006 15:43:51 Just saw a 29 days old dude in apoc with small lasers....I mean, WTF!?.. ***************************************** what you gonna do, when I come for you?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:44:00 - [2] ebay!
MellaRinn	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:46:00 - [3] macrominers grow to apocs quite rapidly --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- --- ---
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:49:00 - [4] aye... apoc with civilian shield boosters ftw :D ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Fooball	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:51:00 - [5] 25-30 days is quite common. It's quite nice, Apoc + mining lasers and going to lower sec to mine. Fast bootstrap to success to the players doing it
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.01.22 15:58:00 - [6] I've killed a 33 day old player in a raven.
NGRU Vulture	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Agent LeFemme Edited by: Agent LeFemme on 22/01/2006 15:43:51 Just saw a 29 days old dude in apoc with small lasers....I mean, WTF!?.. Employment history bugged that one thing :) if u think he 29 he may be 3 years old :) as on my char example, second thing player can jump in BS ( considering he get money from somewhere) i think within 5-6 days from be born or even less :) , alll he need to do make pilot rookie char with frigate skills up and traine rest within 5-6 day or even less. Diplomacy it art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a big rock.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:06:00 - [8] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2006 16:06:15 A corpmate of mine (old corp) once found an abandoned raven. 4x Heavy Launcher I 4x Miner 2 1x Small Shield Booster 1x Micro Shield Extender 1x co-proc Below the station in Emrayr. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video.
Agent LeFemme	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:07:00 - [9] Originally by: NGRU Vulture Originally by: Agent LeFemme Edited by: Agent LeFemme on 22/01/2006 15:43:51 Just saw a 29 days old dude in apoc with small lasers....I mean, WTF!?.. Employment history bugged that one thing :) if u think he 29 he may be 3 years old :) as on my char example, second thing player can jump in BS ( considering he get money from somewhere) i think within 5-6 days from be born or even less :) , alll he need to do make pilot rookie char with frigate skills up and traine rest within 5-6 day or even less. he was only in 1 corp, noob one, for 29 days, pritty sure it aint bugged ***************************************** what you gonna do, when I come for you?
Meeko Gloom	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:14:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2006 16:06:15 A corpmate of mine (old corp) once found an abandoned raven. 4x Heavy Launcher I 4x Miner 2 1x Small Shield Booster 1x Micro Shield Extender 1x co-proc Below the station in Emrayr. that is wrong on every level
Wee Dave	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:22:00 - [11] A member of my corp was in a battleship after three weeks. After about a week in the game he wanted a cruiser but couldn't afford one ... so the corp bought one for him. Then he couldn't insure it. Then four days later he turned up and he'd bought a Covetor, a Dominix, a Brutix and a bunch of named mods (he asked me whether a gist-something AB was 'good or bad'). His sudden windfall came from a, uh, 'friend'. Of course he lost his battleship to a pirate on day 1. He refused to tell me how he'd fit it ... I don't approve of MMO resource-buying in any context, but it must be especially bad in Eve. When something like that happens with what is effectively your RL cash it must feel like being mugged. And they don't learn. The guy left Eve about four weeks and ten ship losses later.
NGRU Vulture	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 22/01/2006 16:06:15 A corpmate of mine (old corp) once found an abandoned raven. 4x Heavy Launcher I 4x Miner 2 1x Small Shield Booster 1x Micro Shield Extender 1x co-proc Below the station in Emrayr. Hehe it wrong :) and also wrong why some one leave this all unatended Diplomacy it art of saying "nice doggy" until you can find a big rock.
Antiseptic	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:32:00 - [13] hahaha lol reminds me when i met two noobs. They had been playing for 1 and a half each or around that. One of them was in a raven and another in a Scorp and they were hunting low sec rats. Came in my megathron and took both of them out . But guess what i got from there loot standard lanchers .... warb core stabs and civilan shield boosters i think cant remember but WTF there are too many noobs in bs these days. B But they are fun to blow up
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:38:00 - [14] Originally by: Wee Dave I don't approve of MMO resource-buying in any context, but it must be especially bad in Eve. When something like that happens with what is effectively your RL cash it must feel like being mugged. Power to the pirates, I say. I do hope that a lot of real cash is lost in such circumstances, as it is the only punishment the game has a chance of imposing. Hegemonising Swarm Objects / von Neumann Probes
Tekka	Posted - 2006.01.22 16:42:00 - [15] Hey back in the day on my first char, I was able to get a BS in less than 2 months... Shield tanked, medium laser using geddons 4tw?? »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
Derelus	Posted - 2006.01.22 17:52:00 - [16] I know this one guy that was in a Geddon within 1 month of playing. He had like 100k skillpoints in gunnery. He complained that the Geddon wasn't a good ship at all. He said that he wanted an apoc instead because it had more 'potential'. He is now in an Apoc with 500k skillpoints in gunnery. His corp sells him cheap battleships. I feel very depressed because of this
Skva	Posted - 2006.01.22 19:08:00 - [17] In my pirating days () me and a friend came across a player who had been playing a little over two weeks. In a Raven. His corpmate who was also in a Raven, had been playing maybe two weeks longer and actually had the sense to run when we enterred local, but the other guy just at in the belt npc'ing... I don't have the killmail to hand but IIRC, 'basic' cap relays, a mix of heavy and standard missiles. Some god awful mid slot setup, actually, just god awful setup. We found out afterwards he hadn't insured it I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Verone	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Skva In my pirating days () me and a friend came across a player who had been playing a little over two weeks. In a Raven. His corpmate who was also in a Raven, had been playing maybe two weeks longer and actually had the sense to run when we enterred local, but the other guy just at in the belt npc'ing... I don't have the killmail to hand but IIRC, 'basic' cap relays, a mix of heavy and standard missiles. Some god awful mid slot setup, actually, just god awful setup. We found out afterwards he hadn't insured it I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. I remember you!!!11 You're the dude in the Brutix!!!1 Veto Member Movies
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:21:00 - [19] Lets see... I saw a player who was about 3 weeks old in a megathron. Can't remember exactly what he had fitter but it went something like this. 3 small auto cannons, 4 small artilaries. 10nm AB. Medium shiled booster. 5 cap relays (or flux's?) 2 stabs. Once killed a phoon fitted like this. 3 small nos, 1 medium laser 4 siege 1 XL booster, 3 hardeners (all passive). LAR, projectile damage mod, random junk Mega fitted as follow (sub 1 mounth old player) Mix of medium projectiles (720's autocannons...) Shield tank, hull rep Gyrostab, WCS (he didn't warp though) small armor rep, overdrives... Mining geddon.. 7 miner 2's 3 hull reps (small) small armor rep, lots of co-pros, basic expander or two. His buddy in a mega who actually engaged me at a gate.... 7 miner 2's siege launcher Shield tank (small booster) passive hardeners, invon field (before they were good) Random useless junk in the low's 2 week old player in a mega empty MWD (wrong size) rest empty 3 basic overdrives, rest empty In his hold he had the makings of a decent combat and travell fitting, and the skills needed to use them. Ironically, in the above list only one of them were not a memeber of Xetic.
Felio	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:22:00 - [20] I was in an Apoc after 2 months, now at 6 months I'm flying around in a maller. Takes a bit for new people to learn that bigger is not always better.
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:24:00 - [21] Oh ya, if you want a laugh and are really board. Get a cargo scanner, and a ship scanner and sit in Jita for a while. The fittings you see will make you laugh. Not to mention the nublens who will often follow you for hours smacking them for scanning them.
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:26:00 - [22] Raven at two months, here. Haven't looked back since - none of the smallers ships I've flown has brought me the sheer enjoyment factor I get from ganking people with my raven and tempests. -Wrayeth
Skva	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Skva In my pirating days () me and a friend came across a player who had been playing a little over two weeks. In a Raven. His corpmate who was also in a Raven, had been playing maybe two weeks longer and actually had the sense to run when we enterred local, but the other guy just at in the belt npc'ing... I don't have the killmail to hand but IIRC, 'basic' cap relays, a mix of heavy and standard missiles. Some god awful mid slot setup, actually, just god awful setup. We found out afterwards he hadn't insured it I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. I remember you!!!11 You're the dude in the Brutix!!!1 I remember that lol. It hurt losing that brutix, was only a n00b at the time. Another reason why newbs shouldn't fly big (even BC's) ships... :P I remember seeing you in the overview and not really worrying because you 'were only in a cruiser' lol, well technicaly a Zealot IS a cruiser... Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Verone	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Skva Originally by: Verone Originally by: Skva In my pirating days () me and a friend came across a player who had been playing a little over two weeks. In a Raven. His corpmate who was also in a Raven, had been playing maybe two weeks longer and actually had the sense to run when we enterred local, but the other guy just at in the belt npc'ing... I don't have the killmail to hand but IIRC, 'basic' cap relays, a mix of heavy and standard missiles. Some god awful mid slot setup, actually, just god awful setup. We found out afterwards he hadn't insured it I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. I remember you!!!11 You're the dude in the Brutix!!!1 I remember that lol. It hurt losing that brutix, was only a n00b at the time. Another reason why newbs shouldn't fly big (even BC's) ships... :P I remember seeing you in the overview and not really worrying because you 'were only in a cruiser' lol, well technicaly a Zealot IS a cruiser... I lub you Veto Member Movies
Montague Zooma	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:36:00 - [25] Oh my. After six months of casual playing and 5.8 million SP, I just got my first BS this weekend, an Armageddon. I may have taken my time in getting to the point where I could afford such a vessel, but the skills I've been developing in the meantime make it rather formidable. Although I suppose the "WTF, 29 days and in an Apoc" will now be replaced by "WTF, 6 months and just now in a 'geddon?". Good point about the Maller. It's very versatile and I usually fly one when I venture into low sec space. But I have to admit level 3 missions are much better in this 'geddon instead of the Prophecy I was using. ------------------------------------------------------------------- One noob. One corp. One complete waste of 1.6 million isk.
Skva	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:38:00 - [26] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Skva Originally by: Verone Originally by: Skva In my pirating days () me and a friend came across a player who had been playing a little over two weeks. In a Raven. His corpmate who was also in a Raven, had been playing maybe two weeks longer and actually had the sense to run when we enterred local, but the other guy just at in the belt npc'ing... I don't have the killmail to hand but IIRC, 'basic' cap relays, a mix of heavy and standard missiles. Some god awful mid slot setup, actually, just god awful setup. We found out afterwards he hadn't insured it I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. I remember you!!!11 You're the dude in the Brutix!!!1 I remember that lol. It hurt losing that brutix, was only a n00b at the time. Another reason why newbs shouldn't fly big (even BC's) ships... :P I remember seeing you in the overview and not really worrying because you 'were only in a cruiser' lol, well technicaly a Zealot IS a cruiser... I lub you /me makes his excuses and leaves. Quickly. Your signature is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Jacques Archambault
Verone	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Skva /me makes his excuses and leaves. Quickly. Another one sucessfully pwnt Veto Member Movies
Nafri	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:50:00 - [28] killed once an augorer with some medium attocannons and 2 howitzers. Lows full of cargo expanders and mediums were empty it seems. He was transporting 1000 units of frozen food through pf-346, afk travelling and he forgot ammunition. The character was older then me ^^. Damm ebay
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:52:00 - [29] I killed a megathron fitted with tachyons and megabeams, once. It was kinda funny. -Wrayeth
Bazman	Posted - 2006.01.22 20:57:00 - [30] I saw a 45 day old Character up north in a Raven. Engaged it in my Deimos and he tanked me forever. I was kinda ****ed ----- Hi TomB! All out Do or Die Blasterboat for tier 3 Gallente battleship please! Make it look cool too. Thanks.
Noriath	Posted - 2006.01.22 21:14:00 - [31] I was once atacked by a pirate in a scorpion who only had heavy missiles on it. Unfortunatly I was in a hauler, so I couldn't kill him, but I did escape.
Shadrin	Posted - 2006.01.22 23:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Montague Zooma Oh my. After six months of casual playing and 5.8 million SP, I just got my first BS this weekend, an Armageddon. I may have taken my time in getting to the point where I could afford such a vessel, but the skills I've been developing in the meantime make it rather formidable. Although I suppose the "WTF, 29 days and in an Apoc" will now be replaced by "WTF, 6 months and just now in a 'geddon?". Good point about the Maller. It's very versatile and I usually fly one when I venture into low sec space. But I have to admit level 3 missions are much better in this 'geddon instead of the Prophecy I was using. I'm right there with you. I took my time trying to make every ship work well before moving on. It blows my mind all these characters running straight for battleships. I wonder how they train that fast period. ------------------------------------ Shadrin Gemini Investment and Trading Company Making your money work for you.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.01.22 23:43:00 - [33] One of my alts... in an apoc.. 2.5 weeks into training IIRC Caldari alts i just sold ( official sell threads 4tw not ebay ) in a scorpion in same amount of time. Frigate 4 from get go 4tw. not that they were useful for another month or so... but they could mine and run missions. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
juduzz	Posted - 2006.01.23 00:15:00 - [34] I had n Apoc at 800k Skill points but ws mainly for mining and 1400's were uber back then :P
David Sinclair	Posted - 2006.01.23 01:15:00 - [35] I don't understand... what's wrong with getting a battleship early? I've been playing for a little over three weeks, and I could likely get a Domi next week, and I'm seriously considering it. From where I stand, it has more armor/shielding to take on those packs of cruisers during lvl 2 missions. It has more slots to play around with, which means more toys. :) It seems to be a great choice for mining, mission running, heck, I have this wierd vision of loading 7 nano's on it for 90% inertia reduction and watch it buzz like a Frigate for courier missions... it seems well suited to any activity I'm currently after, save hauling. So... what's the downside? Of course, I don't expect to pwn people with it; My character is nowhere near ready for serious PvP. I'm not asking this to argue, I'm really curious, is there something I'm missing?
Zolofine	Posted - 2006.01.23 01:30:00 - [36] Originally by: Lorth Oh ya, if you want a laugh and are really board. Get a cargo scanner, and a ship scanner and sit in Jita for a while. The fittings you see will make you laugh. Not to mention the nublens who will often follow you for hours smacking them for scanning them. OMFG LOL... Thx for the laughs! /me warps off to new caldari
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.01.23 01:53:00 - [37] Originally by: David Sinclair I don't understand... what's wrong with getting a battleship early? I've been playing for a little over three weeks, and I could likely get a Domi next week, and I'm seriously considering it. From where I stand, it has more armor/shielding to take on those packs of cruisers during lvl 2 missions. It has more slots to play around with, which means more toys. :) It seems to be a great choice for mining, mission running, heck, I have this wierd vision of loading 7 nano's on it for 90% inertia reduction and watch it buzz like a Frigate for courier missions... it seems well suited to any activity I'm currently after, save hauling. So... what's the downside? Of course, I don't expect to pwn people with it; My character is nowhere near ready for serious PvP. I'm not asking this to argue, I'm really curious, is there something I'm missing? They are slow and clunky, they also dont have ship bonuses associated with the weapons you will use. For instance, you will prolly use medium guns on it, it will get a bonus for large so you lose the bonus (which makes a huge difference). So quite frankly, you would do as much damage in a brutix. In a brutix you would not get hit as hard because it is slightly smaller. It's faster, cheaper, more agile. As long as you know you arent going to "pwn" in pvp and dont think "ooh, I'll go ratting in an 0.4 system because I'll be indestructable" you will be ok.
Void Dragon	Posted - 2006.01.23 02:18:00 - [38] Originally by: David Sinclair I don't understand... what's wrong with getting a battleship early? I've been playing for a little over three weeks, and I could likely get a Domi next week, and I'm seriously considering it. From where I stand, it has more armor/shielding to take on those packs of cruisers during lvl 2 missions. It has more slots to play around with, which means more toys. :) It seems to be a great choice for mining, mission running, heck, I have this wierd vision of loading 7 nano's on it for 90% inertia reduction and watch it buzz like a Frigate for courier missions... it seems well suited to any activity I'm currently after, save hauling. So... what's the downside? Of course, I don't expect to pwn people with it; My character is nowhere near ready for serious PvP. I'm not asking this to argue, I'm really curious, is there something I'm missing? Ok well without larg guns and halph decent drone skills the domi is pretty much castr*ted for a combat ship wait till it can use larg guns and say heavy drones then only use it for up to level 3 missions as long as your tanking skils are good that is. Antway for my best experence verses a noob battleship. Me 7 months old on my main in a apocolypse fitted with an uber tank [spent 4-5 months doing nothing but tank relared skills] also i was armed with mega beams. Opponent 3 months old in an armageddon megabeams and lots of heatsinks [ Basically a gank setup] He warps in locks me down sets a warp disruptor on me [i dont use WCS ] any triumphantly says pay me 50 million or die NooB . I imediatly lock him and switch on my tank and fired one shot to get him to fire at me. Anyway his gank was not good enough to break my tank it held. I then warp scrambled him when i saw his guns were losing power and returned the favour ended up with some nice loot mainly megabeams and 3 heatsinks.
David Sinclair	Posted - 2006.01.23 02:28:00 - [39] Originally by: Deja Thoris They are slow and clunky, they also dont have ship bonuses associated with the weapons you will use. For instance, you will prolly use medium guns on it, it will get a bonus for large so you lose the bonus (which makes a huge difference). So quite frankly, you would do as much damage in a brutix. Are they really that much clumsier? All I have to go on are the speed numbers, which don't seem all that different. I've never piloted a BS, nor faced one in combat. I figured a couple of Nano's would compensate. Am I wrong? Quote: In a brutix you would not get hit as hard because it is slightly smaller. It's faster, cheaper, more agile. I've been seriously looking at the Brutix. I'm a bit hesitant because I was unimpressed with it's youthful cousin, the Destroyer. The Battlecruiser skill is seperate, and only really applies to the one craft. It seems to me a bit weak to invest more than one or two levels in a skill that only services a single craft. Quote: As long as you know you arent going to "pwn" in pvp and dont think "ooh, I'll go ratting in an 0.4 system because I'll be indestructable" you will be ok. Thanks. The intricacies of the various ships are hard to get a handle on, especially since you can't take them out for a test drive. There's lots of little details that can bite you. Right after I got my Thorax, I nearly got beaten by a Rogue Drone swarm that had been fairly straightforward before. I had loaded up with medium weapons that didn't have the signature resolution to hit the tiny drones. I'm trying to get as much info as I can now to avoid similar mistake.
Cvuos	Posted - 2006.01.23 02:37:00 - [40] Edited by: Cvuos on 23/01/2006 02:37:59 21 days. Apocalypse Brothers and sisters? (don't make fun of my anti-macro setup, ok)
Aux Mini	Posted - 2006.01.23 03:01:00 - [41] I got my megathron on day 29. This is my first account in Eve, and I didn't buy any isk for real money. Currently only have medium and small turrets on it, I have large hybrid turrets skill trained, but I couldn't afford any after buying the insurance so I just have it equipped with left overs from my hanger
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.01.23 03:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Aux Mini I got my megathron on day 29. This is my first account in Eve, and I didn't buy any isk for real money. Currently only have medium and small turrets on it, I have large hybrid turrets skill trained, but I couldn't afford any after buying the insurance so I just have it equipped with left overs from my hanger My advice is dont us eit then in anything above level 1 missions then ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Celador Nane	Posted - 2006.01.23 03:07:00 - [43] I had a raven with torps in about 3/4 weeks, wasnt that hard and was running L4 missions (pre missile nerf), all self funded as well , nice that torps are easier to get than cruises. Made over a billion in a couple of months whoring off L4 missions and selling +3 implants... back then u could go... Kessie L1 missions -> Caracal L2 missions -> Ferrox L3 missions -> Raven L4 missions, and u really dont need that good skills :/ tho i never tried to pvp with it, stuck with cruisers for that.
Void Dragon	Posted - 2006.01.23 03:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Celador Nane I had a raven with torps in about 3/4 weeks, wasnt that hard and was running L4 missions (pre missile nerf), all self funded as well , nice that torps are easier to get than cruises. Made over a billion in a couple of months whoring off L4 missions and selling +3 implants... back then u could go... Kessie L1 missions -> Caracal L2 missions -> Ferrox L3 missions -> Raven L4 missions, and u really dont need that good skills :/ tho i never tried to pvp with it, stuck with cruisers for that. And thats why missiles needed Fixing
Sam Albertek	Posted - 2006.01.23 04:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Skva I've spent some time talking to newer players who want to rush to get 'the big ship', looks like they'll never learn lol. Yeah noobs do that. i was doing that until getting the crud beaten out of me because i had sucky shield boosters taught me a better plan. im now training for repair systems, and after i get my caracal, im using that until i can equip a ferox with good sized armor plates, good sheild extenders and boosters, etc. and now that i see this post i see that i was lucky to have the sense beaten into me. thats just sad having a raven with a micro sheild extender and civillian sheild booster..
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.23 04:17:00 - [46] Not such a bad idea. BS fitted with miner IIs lasers can make a lot of ISK mining in .5, and with the defense of the BS + drones any newbie can take on the rats. Same goes for all level 1 and 2 missions, and belt rats. They could probably kill down to .1 belt rats in it. Meanwhile, they can train to use the BS properly.
Summersnow	Posted - 2006.01.23 05:10:00 - [47] I checked this out with char planner once. If I remember correctly if you took the right initial build you could do it in just over 2 weeks. You basically start with frig 4 and high spaceship command already trained, train cruiser 1-whatever, then BS 1-2, maybe 1 level of spaceship command.
Durethia	Posted - 2006.01.23 05:21:00 - [48] Edited by: Durethia on 23/01/2006 05:21:42 Originally by: David Sinclair I've been seriously looking at the Brutix. I'm a bit hesitant because I was unimpressed with it's youthful cousin, the Destroyer. The Battlecruiser skill is seperate, and only really applies to the one craft. It seems to me a bit weak to invest more than one or two levels in a skill that only services a single craft.[/qoute] The Command ships are T2 Battle Cruisers and require BC lvl 5. And, the Brutix with BC lvl 4 or 5 is a very mean ship. Some don't think they are great for PvP... at my skill level, I'll agree and choose my Thorax. But, I know for sure, the Brutix can definately serve a very powerful role as a support ship in a gank or well diverse group. Also, you'll chew through anything larger than a frig very nicely in a Brutix with respectable Gunnery skills. The frigs might give you a hard time, but you do have drones and a webber right?
Admiral Keyes	Posted - 2006.01.23 07:45:00 - [49] Edited by: Admiral Keyes on 23/01/2006 07:47:20 When i first started Eve, i was given a Scorpion battleship by a friend (he recieved 14 BS's from a friend who quit) so he spread them out among our corp. I was still flying a merlin, 2 weeks later i was in my Scorpion, i was about 18 days old. First order of business after flying it was training standard Missiles lvl 2 and Miner II's Mined for about 2 weeks and built an apoc and used it as a mining vessel. so within a month i had both a scorpion and an apocalypse. I feel ashamed (This was on another character almost 2 years ago)
Meris	Posted - 2006.01.23 07:53:00 - [50] I reckon a newish player can do well in a Vampadom with minimal skills. But otherwise, meh, waste of ISK.
Gaden Amoen	Posted - 2006.01.23 09:14:00 - [51] Its one point to fly a Battleships in a few days. It is no problem to get the Skills up and if you have enough ISK. The other point is to use a Battleship. This young players only fly a big hull but cant use it with their skills. As some guys already said... a waste of money.
Darkdashing	Posted - 2006.01.23 09:40:00 - [52] Originally by: David Sinclair I don't understand... what's wrong with getting a battleship early? I've been playing for a little over three weeks, and I could likely get a Domi next week, and I'm seriously considering it. From where I stand, it has more armor/shielding to take on those packs of cruisers during lvl 2 missions. It has more slots to play around with, which means more toys. :) It seems to be a great choice for mining, mission running, heck, I have this wierd vision of loading 7 nano's on it for 90% inertia reduction and watch it buzz like a Frigate for courier missions... it seems well suited to any activity I'm currently after, save hauling. So... what's the downside? Of course, I don't expect to pwn people with it; My character is nowhere near ready for serious PvP. I'm not asking this to argue, I'm really curious, is there something I'm missing? the odd part is not justifying owning a BS. The interesting thing is that getting a BS requires more money than what a noob usually makes during a month of playing. Unless you are exceptional at making money ( I am ), it seems that they ebayed a bit. There is beauty in tension....
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.01.23 12:34:00 - [53] The more important question... How do players make the 75m+ ISK in that time in order to afford a tier 1 battleship (and in most cases 110m+ for a tier 2). I would suspect: a) Corp/Friend help b) 23/7 mining/missioning c) eBay 23? # Missile Tool # ex: P-TMC : USAC
MC AMARR	Posted - 2006.01.23 13:47:00 - [54] to get a self funded BS in a few weeks seems impossible to me, just because while you are cramming the spaceship command skills in, how do you find time to train the necessary skills to make money? Not started a new character in a long time mind. And to the guy considering buying a Domi for level 2 mission running, i would imagine with the right skills and fitout you'll do them faster in a frig or cruiser. Its more fun too, unless you want to play semi afk. I know i used to enjoy doing level 2's in a rifter, and level 3's in an AF (also not done many missions in a while!)
Commoner	Posted - 2006.01.23 13:49:00 - [55] Originally by: FireFoxx80 The more important question... How do players make the 75m+ ISK in that time in order to afford a tier 1 battleship (and in most cases 110m+ for a tier 2). I would suspect: a) Corp/Friend help b) 23/7 mining/missioning c) eBay Looting a local hull conversion or stumbling across a named / faction rat in belts?
Sendraks	Posted - 2006.01.23 14:57:00 - [56] Originally by: David Sinclair Are they really that much clumsier? All I have to go on are the speed numbers, which don't seem all that different. I've never piloted a BS, nor faced one in combat. I figured a couple of Nano's would compensate. Am I wrong? You could fit a couple of nanos, but then you'd be using up low slots to compensate for your lack of skills in being able to fly that ship. Whereas if you had the necessary skills, you wouldn't need to use up those slots. In short, don't use a bigger ship to compensate for a lack of skills. Originally by: David Sinclair I've been seriously looking at the Brutix. I'm a bit hesitant because I was unimpressed with it's youthful cousin, the Destroyer. The Battlecruiser skill is seperate, and only really applies to the one craft. It seems to me a bit weak to invest more than one or two levels in a skill that only services a single craft. There is a world of difference between the Battlecruiser class and the Destroyer class, the main distinction for me is that Battlecruisers are "the" ship for lvl 3 missions whereas Destroyers are not really much cop for lvl 2 missions unless you have excellent skills. As has already been said, the Brutix is a formidabble ship with the right skills behind it. It can run a very good tank and pack quite a punch to boot. My advice would be that you should only progress to flying a Domi when you can comfortably complete all level 3 missions in a Brutix.
Riyallyn	Posted - 2006.01.23 15:02:00 - [57] Originally by: Montague Zooma Oh my. After six months of casual playing and 5.8 million SP, I just got my first BS this weekend, an Armageddon. I may have taken my time in getting to the point where I could afford such a vessel, but the skills I've been developing in the meantime make it rather formidable. Although I suppose the "WTF, 29 days and in an Apoc" will now be replaced by "WTF, 6 months and just now in a 'geddon?". I have you beat. I've been playing for 18 months and still can't fly a BS. I guess I'm having too much fun with the smaller ships. That, and I'll watch my husband using his Apoc or Geddon and even though I'm not the one playing, it makes me crazy to watch how slow they move. I'll never be able to take out anything bigger than a BC in PVP, but that's fine with me. I rather enjoy being in a support position. Another gentleman I know had his Raven after 6-8 weeks. He would come into my office just beaming that he had this BS (with civilian shield boosters). Til he got ganked. I felt a little bit sorry for him.
Talos Darkhart	Posted - 2006.01.23 15:17:00 - [58] Had caldari bs lvl 5 after 4months but did not get my 1st bs till over a year later was worth the wait to get all the needed skills
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.01.23 15:30:00 - [59] I had apoc, on 10th day of playing. So, whats wrong with that ? ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.01.23 15:40:00 - [60] I was doing level 3s in a Typhoon with med guns at around 10 days, iirc. Maybe a bit sooner. Would have been quicker if I'd been able to make money quicker, but I was playing 24/7 nearly as it was :P And I still couldnt tank the last part of a Black Market Hub, hehe. The Eve Guild Wars Project!
BoinKlasik	Posted - 2006.01.23 15:44:00 - [61] I was enjoying helping my corpm8s on lvl 4 missions in my ferox. Just gonna be able to learn to FLY my first raven tomorrow...wont actually use it till i can use the missiles too :/ At least shield tank skills = shield tank skills and itll just be cruise missile operation to learn. Im quite happy that I waited so long to get into a BS. I had a friend ask me yesterday to help him do a lvl 2 mission while he was in a prophecy...I was STUNNED that he thought that it was necessary. Almost no lvl 3 mission requires me to warp out more than once especially now that the spy stash no longer has those goddamn angel t2 towers which were such a pain in the ass (what gives..hitting at like 150km) The Damsel is no longer in distress. She was rescued enough times that she got the hint and installed better security systems at home.
Antiseptic	Posted - 2006.01.23 16:23:00 - [62] OMFG hahaha David sinclair Go with that buy a dominix and fit it with nano fibers, and go to a low sec system please lol. ahh the youth these days make us pirates laugh . But the bad thing is when you encouter noobs in there battleships they usually dont have the cash to pay the ransoms .... kinda sucks really.
Trespasser	Posted - 2006.01.23 16:39:00 - [63] i saw a 30-35 day old guy in EC he was in a raven and we killed it - being a hostial corp was a bad idea ? after finding him at a planet his setup was 5x stnd launchers 2x remote armor reps 1x hull rep 2x sensor booster rest cap rechargers 1 small repper 1 damage control and the rest cap relays I really dont think him jumping to EC was a good thing and on top of it what a bad setup
Avon	Posted - 2006.01.23 16:46:00 - [64] When I remember how long it took to get a cruiser... The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.23 17:03:00 - [65] i got a scorp after about 3months, then ran lvl3s, till it blew up, and used the insurance and what i'd made to buy a raven. *****d lvl4s and got hugely rich (by the end of my 4th/5th month i had a full set of +4s and a well fitted raven - back when limos sieges cost 15mil each) yup, they needed nerfing
Jai Cee	Posted - 2006.01.23 17:22:00 - [66] I don't think its that unreasonable to get a BS after a month as long as you know that you're no competition for a more experienced player than you. I've been in game for a bit over a month and I got the cash for a BS from some good drops whilst ratting. In the end I got a Brutix knowing that I couldn't fly it to its best for a long while but I can make plenty more cash using it mining and doing lvl 2 missions than I could in my punisher which I could fly pretty well.
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.01.23 17:26:00 - [67] I've killed a 30 day old raven, 31 day old raven, 35 day old geddon, and 28 day old scorp. I don't think any had insurance. Official Nos Troll
Antiseptic	Posted - 2006.01.23 17:34:00 - [68] the dude who said about someone probably buying isk off ebay and bought a battleship with it and later lost it made my day lol its fun to **** people off
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.23 18:16:00 - [69] Originally by: FireFoxx80 The more important question... How do players make the 75m+ ISK in that time in order to afford a tier 1 battleship (and in most cases 110m+ for a tier 2). I would suspect: a) Corp/Friend help b) 23/7 mining/missioning c) eBay d. looting a local hull conversion I looted one in my first week, insta battleship.
Syrec	Posted - 2006.01.23 18:16:00 - [70] Originally by: FireFoxx80 The more important question... HowEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
David Sinclair	Posted - 2006.01.23 18:36:00 - [71] Originally by: Antiseptic OMFG hahaha David sinclair Go with that buy a dominix and fit it with nano fibers, and go to a low sec system please lol. Why would I do that? I specifically stated the silly nano-loadout was for the agent courier missions. The "Go pickup something and bring it somewhere else" missions. Obviously, it would be a less than ideal loadout for, well, anything else. Seven nano's is a good 90% reduction in inertia, which should make jumping from system to system pretty fast. Of course, if I'm worried about dealing with cowardly gankers, I'll be using a different set up. But more importantly, what's the different between me getting ganked in my Thorax vs. a Domi? My Thorax couldn't stand up to your well equipped and higher SP character. So what's the difference? As a complete aside, if I load up with those Mark I Nanos in a Domi, I could theoretically get over 100% Inertia Reduction. Does that mean the Domi could zoom around inertialess like an Arilou from Starcon? But then, it's be over 100% reduction in structure, so would that mean my ship would instantly implode upon leaving the station?
minnmirman	Posted - 2006.01.23 19:14:00 - [72] Edited by: minnmirman on 23/01/2006 19:13:50 the difference is the price. Its a LOT cheaper for you to be ganked in a thorax instead of a domi. Ive been playing for a month, and I am just now starting to fly my caracal effectively, and Ive also been just able to save up 30 million by ratting in low sec. I dont see why anyone would want to fly a bs at such a young age. I guess a child with training wheels on his bicycle wants to hop right on the man-sized ten speed, but it just doesnt work. Plus if I had a dread guristas guy drop me a 100 million isk loot, i'd save it (the money, not the loot--edit)
Antiochus	Posted - 2006.01.23 19:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Lorth Lets see... I saw a player who was about 3 weeks old in a megathron. Can't remember exactly what he had fitter but it went something like this. 3 small auto cannons, 4 small artilaries. 10nm AB. Medium shiled booster. 5 cap relays (or flux's?) 2 stabs. Once killed a phoon fitted like this. 3 small nos, 1 medium laser 4 siege 1 XL booster, 3 hardeners (all passive). LAR, projectile damage mod, random junk Mega fitted as follow (sub 1 mounth old player) Mix of medium projectiles (720's autocannons...) Shield tank, hull rep Gyrostab, WCS (he didn't warp though) small armor rep, overdrives... Mining geddon.. 7 miner 2's 3 hull reps (small) small armor rep, lots of co-pros, basic expander or two. His buddy in a mega who actually engaged me at a gate.... 7 miner 2's siege launcher Shield tank (small booster) passive hardeners, invon field (before they were good) Random useless junk in the low's 2 week old player in a mega empty MWD (wrong size) rest empty 3 basic overdrives, rest empty In his hold he had the makings of a decent combat and travell fitting, and the skills needed to use them. Ironically, in the above list only one of them were not a memeber of Xetic. I feel left out I didnt get honorable mention for my mining Raven you took out. :) tho I had 4 siege launchers and 4 miner2s, with actual shield tank in mids. So I guess im a cut above the above. I think I was 2 months old at the time? maybe 3? Now I fly around in a Harpy. Course...I was just helping my corp mate mine for his apoc. He was 4 months old at the time. My insurance had expired like 3 days earlier. it was purchased by my corp...so I didnt get an evemail about it....such is life.

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