Just shoot it. No game change is needed because you're too lazy to spend an hour to secure your moon.

Just shoot it. No game change is needed because you're too lazy to spend an hour to secure your moon.

I have found 10 abandoned POS's in just 2 systems - some have been there for over a year (cause I checked the corps wardec history). It would be nice if a) we could unanchor them and make a profit after they have been abandoned for a period of time - b) if like a container that has seen no activity, they vanish after being in space after a pre-determined time - c) we can destroy them without concord killing us.
If a moon has a POS on it than no-one else can put a POS on it correct ??

been suggested numerous times.

the best idea is to make it a hacking mini game. if a tower goes offline and is down for a certain amount of time, we can hack it, change ownership, insert fuel and bring it up as our own. or unanchor and sell.

Shoot the tower, steal the mods, sell the moon.

Bam, now you're profiting from clearing moons.

Me, I say that if someone is too lazy and/or incompetent to keep their tower fueled or protected while it's offline, then they don't deserve to keep that tower.

That's nice. Why don't you go ahead and war dec them, attack their high sec tower, and see if they are too lazy to defend it?

If they don't defend it? Bash tower, take moon.

If they do? You either win, and take the moon anyway, or you lose, and the moon was never going to be yours to begin with.

How long do you think it takes to remove an undefended large tower in high sec ?
Assume a small corp. 20 people in it at most. Be sure to consider what they want a high sec POS for, and what that implies about their trained skills.

How do you plan to keep the attacking pilots paying enough attention during the attack that they can respond to the defenders showing up ?

How much do high sec merc groups charge for removing an offline large tower ?

If they can't be bothered to do it themselves, they can pay someone to do it for them, find an empty moon, or buy a moon from someone.

"CCP should magic our enemies towers away because we might risk our ships by not being at the keyboard while shooting our enemies towers ourselves."

Ask them.

How long do you think it takes to remove an undefended large tower in high sec ?
Assume a small corp. 20 people in it at most. Be sure to consider what they want a high sec POS for, and what that implies about their trained skills.

How do you plan to keep the attacking pilots paying enough attention during the attack that they can respond to the defenders showing up ?

How much do high sec merc groups charge for removing an offline large tower ?

Why should someone who is unwilling, or unable, to fuel a POS be able to claim a moon and stop someone who is willing and able to fuel a POS from setting up their own ?

Or, in the extreme case: Why should someone who is not even subscribed to Eve be able to claim moons for himself ?

If you don't answer my question, I'll just assume you realize that giving an honest answer would be devastating for your argument.

Are you saying you think that people should be able to earn ISK with no risk, and no input on their part ?

Because that's what offline high sec towers are. You just plant the tower, then wait for someone to want the moon enough to pay for it. Worst case, you just recover the tower and sell it to get your ISK back. Should someone war dec you, and actually start attacking the POS you can wait till boredom has defeated them, then swing by in a single ship and start popping attackers.

Are there any high sec merc groups willing to take out a high sec POS ?

Does it make a difference if you can convince the mercs that everyone in the corp that owns the POS isn't subscribed ?

... Or, in the extreme case: Why should someone who is not even subscribed to Eve be able to claim moons for himself?

Why should someone who is unwilling or unable to shoot down a structure that can do nothing to fight back be able to take real estate from someone who claimed it first?

Exactly as long as it takes anywhere else.

been suggested numerous times.

the best idea is to make it a hacking mini game. if a tower goes offline and is down for a certain amount of time, we can hack it, change ownership, insert fuel and bring it up as our own. or unanchor and sell.

Just shoot it. No game change is needed because you're too lazy to spend an hour to secure your moon.

Assuming 20 people in BS's doing 1k dps, it would take them 40+ minutes to take down the POS.

It'd be much more interesting if abandoned POS's were salvageable somehow rather than being forced to bash them (something that is the opposite of interesting)

This. IMHO after a tower has had no fuel for a week it should lose the ability to go into reinforce and lose its bubble and everything.

Ideally, hack tower, remove everything, salvage tower for salvage, profit.

Shoot tower, remove everything hanging from it, profit.