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Dantax
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Posted - 2006.01.25 04:03:00 -
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You call Minmatar a failed state? Mr Blake get your story right first of all, the Minmatar do not live in a "State" it is a Republic!
Trust you Amarr to lap up information that concerns the progress of the Republic, then again, trust you Amarr to believe everything you read.
Why don't you take your own words of advice Mr Blake and have the Amarr Empire close its borders to Minmitar Space, the less Amarr I have to share the same space with, the better.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.01.25 05:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Shemar
The Federation should welcome all those who wish to be citizens.
It should, but it doesn't. It's having a hard enough time keeping its promises to current members.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I'm probably one of the biggest Bush fanboys in Eve...
This is like, Darth Vader, can't-reach-climax-without-killing-a-puppy evil.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2006.01.25 05:20:00 -
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Mr. Dantax, the term state doesnt refer to a system of government, but rather a self governing entity. So yes, the Matari Republic, is a state as well as that pathetic form of government known as the republic.
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Zen'el Swift
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Posted - 2006.01.25 06:13:00 -
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I also find it rather amusing that the Amarrians are getting chummy with the Gallente... won't that offend their good Caldarian friends?
Besides that I never heard the Gallente asking for advice (if that's what you'd call it) from the talking trash... |
Alec Kerry
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Posted - 2006.01.25 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Mattar
Darran,
We Caldari have paid the price for that Gallente aid.
Nay,
You paid the price for direct and deliberate deciet to friends and allies. We are true to each other as are our Matari friends something neither you Megalomaniac Caldari nor the Zealous Amarrians will ever understand
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Komisches
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Posted - 2006.01.25 09:33:00 -
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You amarrians are not unlike a colony of ants. United under 'god' you seem to have a one-minded attitude about everything. Alas, a little poke here, a little morsel of food there, and you're swarming all over the place likes there's no tomorrow.
And unfortunately for you, there is not much hope of a tomorrow, now that your 'queen' has died, we can but wait a little while until you expire from the inside.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.25 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Komisches
You amarrians are not unlike a colony of ants. United under 'god' you seem to have a one-minded attitude about everything. Alas, a little poke here, a little morsel of food there, and you're swarming all over the place likes there's no tomorrow.
And unfortunately for you, there is not much hope of a tomorrow, now that your 'queen' has died, we can but wait a little while until you expire from the inside.
People such as you have been waiting for the Empire to expire for tens of millenia.
We will bury you just as we buried them.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Marquis LeFarquad
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Posted - 2006.01.25 12:06:00 -
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You walk around on top of all those dead people? You monster! |
Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Sejanus on 25/01/2006 12:12:37
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Just like the song goes, "It's a nice place to vist, but I wouldn't want to live there."
It's not even a very nice place to visit. I've visited the Amarr homeworlds several times on commercial expeditions (strong economy? The way I fleece even the elite of the Amarr community -- their pod pilots -- out of millions of ISK per day like they had financial sense of a colony of Fedo, gives lie to that claim), and while very very clean, the entire region is nevertheless a sewer of broken human spirits. The Matari in their chains are just the only ones who recognize it.
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People such as you have been waiting for the Empire to expire for tens of millenia.
We will bury you just as we buried them.
Hollow words from someone whose empire is likely only a few months away from the outbreak of a major religious civil war once the Tetrimon Scrolls are released to the public. It will be highly amusing to see the zealots eating out their own intestines like a brain-shot carnosaur.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.01.25 13:17:00 -
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I find myself in an uncomfortable position. I agree with Rodj Blake. Naturally, I disagree with his ludicrous 'solutions' though.
To an extent at least, I think the Republic is in the process of failing; it is too soon to say that it has failed entirely. For quite some time, there has been a large gulf between the actions and beliefs of those power and the beliefs and needs of those they are supposed to represent. Certain self-serving politicians have been adept at engaging in the sort of rhetoric that most Matari want to hear, whilst being guilty of such staggering derelictions of duty with respect to the Insorum debacle, for example, that it almost amounts to treason as far as I'm concerned.
I love the Republic. I believe in its people. I believe in the unification of the tribes. In the past, I have loyally served the Republic, so it grieves me to see it sold out by the people at the top.
There is still time for redemption, however. Step down Karin Midular! No confidence!
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:01:00 -
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As I said: I didn't expect you to see or believe my point. Whatever the future holds in store for the Republic and the Empire - I am sure we'll fare better than you. If only because religion and tradition are uniting us while they splinter you.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:17:00 -
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People who serve a higher cause are more willing to sacrifice to see their cause through. It brings unity of purpose, a sense of teamwork, and a national identity.
This is why the Amarr Empire will survive what could have been a major crisis, but now will be only a minor disruption.
For the Minmatar Republic, where you serve only yourselves, well...
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
As I said: I didn't expect you to see or believe my point. Whatever the future holds in store for the Republic and the Empire - I am sure we'll fare better than you. If only because religion and tradition are uniting us while they splinter you.
Uniting eh?
So, let assume that your tetrimon fools are proved to have the correct scriptures. Then lets assume that these scriptures say that the Theology council and privy council have no place in society as, by the dictate of your presumed god, the Empire should be led by the apostles.
You then still think your empire will follow one religon? Which part of that religon will you follow? Will you heirs give up their power. Will the theo council give up its power?
Do not talk to me about united Amarr when they are anything but, as we can plainly see.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Mattar
People who serve a higher cause are more willing to sacrifice to see their cause through. It brings unity of purpose, a sense of teamwork, and a national identity.
This is why the Amarr Empire will survive what could have been a major crisis, but now will be only a minor disruption.
For the Minmatar Republic, where you serve only yourselves, well...
Really, I hope you will find that sense of teamwork useful if the Tetrimon get thier way and the reclaiming begins.
Im sure you will admire them greatly as they invade your State.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Tharrn
As I said: I didn't expect you to see or believe my point. Whatever the future holds in store for the Republic and the Empire - I am sure we'll fare better than you. If only because religion and tradition are uniting us while they splinter you.
Uniting eh?
So, let assume that your tetrimon fools are proved to have the correct scriptures. Then lets assume that these scriptures say that the Theology council and privy council have no place in society as, by the dictate of your presumed god, the Empire should be led by the apostles.
You then still think your empire will follow one religon? Which part of that religon will you follow? Will you heirs give up their power. Will the theo council give up its power?
Do not talk to me about united Amarr when they are anything but, as we can plainly see.
That's a lot of assumptions. I prefer to deal with reality than hypothetical questions - and the reality is that your Republic is suffering from extreme stress at the moment.
Yet again you harp on about imagined problems in the Empire rather than real ones in the Republic.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.25 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Karl Mattar
People who serve a higher cause are more willing to sacrifice to see their cause through. It brings unity of purpose, a sense of teamwork, and a national identity.
This is why the Amarr Empire will survive what could have been a major crisis, but now will be only a minor disruption.
For the Minmatar Republic, where you serve only yourselves, well...
Really, I hope you will find that sense of teamwork useful if the Tetrimon get thier way and the reclaiming begins.
Im sure you will admire them greatly as they invade your State.
It is true the State and the Empire have our differences. We are an entirely secular society, they religious. We do not sanction forced employment, they do. However, in the grand scheme of things, we are far more alike than different. Citizens of both know the value of service.
While we all know that someday our small differences may come to war, it is not this day. For the foreseeable future, we are allies against the common enemies of Chaos and Corruption - The Minmatar Republic and the Gallente Federation.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yet again you harp on about imagined problems in the Empire rather than real ones in the Republic.
You are a hyprocit slaver. My opinion has already been stated on this. The republic leadership are useless piles of fedo turd, I am sorry to see our previous accusations against them be strengthened.
Yet again, I must ask when your own Empire is leaderless, when it doesnt even know what scriptures it should be following, that you continue to try to score points here.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Karl Mattar
While we all know that someday our small differences may come to war, it is not this day. For the foreseeable future, we are allies against the common enemies of Chaos and Corruption - The Minmatar Republic and the Gallente Federation.
Unfortunately for you, you are different in the most important way possible to an Amarrian. You dont believe, and thus, you are a secondary lifeform to them. They are simply using your state as they see fit. And if they are successful, they will turn on you in a secound.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.01.25 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Yet again you harp on about imagined problems in the Empire rather than real ones in the Republic.
You are a hyprocit slaver. My opinion has already been stated on this. The republic leadership are useless piles of fedo turd, I am sorry to see our previous accusations against them be strengthened.
Yet again, I must ask when your own Empire is leaderless, when it doesnt even know what scriptures it should be following, that you continue to try to score points here.
Look slave, if you really must post your petty little comments about the Empire, please do so in an appropriate discussion.
If I'm feeling generous, I might even take the time to prove you wrong.
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Tharrn
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:05:00 -
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We still have the Court Chamberlain, the Privy Council, the Theology Council and various other organs keeping the Empire running smoothly while the succession rites are in progress. Then there's always the local holders and governors who are running the day to day business in their sphere of influence as usual.
There might be no imperial edicts right now but we are far from headlessly panicking - it might be worthwhile to start an investigation on how long the preparation of the succession has usually taken in the past.
As for the Tetrimon: unlike the 'Republic' things of such importance are not settled in brawls but by the authorities named above. Did you see a civil war break out when the Tetrimon originally re-surfaced and made their claims?
Khaldorn, you'll always remain to be an uneducated barbarian. You are really a hopeless case.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2006.01.25 16:37:00 -
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The slaver is almost right. Its a failing state rather than failed. The last step of Midular will be handing over the access codes of our planetary defences to the Amarr, leading to a bloodless defeat of the republic. The politicians remain silent whilst watching their people fight amongst themselves in ignorance.
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Takitoo
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Posted - 2006.01.25 17:08:00 -
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I can't believe I'm agreeing with Wanoah. The Republic is failing. Now that there is no realistically achievable goal what once held the tribes together is starting to crumble.
Personally though, I embrace that. I'm a Sebiestor first and a Matari second. Just because we're tribes doesn't mean we'll lose our identity as people. I just look at it as a return to the natural state of the Matari people. We're a people of tribes, not a people of a Republic.
In the end though, we're all Matari and as such, we'll retain that unity.
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Sei du selbst. Steh zu Dir.
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Rhuu
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:02:00 -
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The idea that because there exists a trend towards Minmatar emmigration from the Republic to the Gallente Federation means that the Republic is failing is at the very least fallacious.
The fact that this article cites the reasons for Minmatar expatriates settling in the Federation without giving relevant statistics or pointing to an article that does leaves me shrugging and wondering what exactly the big deal is. I imagine that Freedom Extension (corp ticker FE) will see a boost in shipping demands for the duration of this Matari exodus crisis. This will have to drive share prices up substantially in the short term, possibly giving the heads of the young company enough money to buy themselves a nicely terraformed mostly tropical planet over in the heart of Amarrian space somewhere. Imagine the parties that they could throw in the beautiful and austere monolithic cathedrals that no doubt dominate the landmass of every island in the scenic archepelagos!
Yes, yes. This is a ploy by some Minmatar corporate executives to get drunk on a nightly basis and run around with their friends smashing Amarrian holy symbols, ****ing on pews, and burning sacred texts.
I hope my exposing this plot doesn't stop me from being invited to these parties, as they sound like a great deal of fun. You know I love you, dear Astrund Amilfer!
I should probably buy some stock in FE before submitting this message, but I'll leave it to rest the pod pilot community to be slower than I in getting around to that.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.01.25 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Originally by: Karl Mattar
While we all know that someday our small differences may come to war, it is not this day. For the foreseeable future, we are allies against the common enemies of Chaos and Corruption - The Minmatar Republic and the Gallente Federation.
Unfortunately for you, you are different in the most important way possible to an Amarrian. You dont believe, and thus, you are a secondary lifeform to them. They are simply using your state as they see fit. And if they are successful, they will turn on you in a secound.
And unfortunately for you, you won't be around to see it.
This is evolution at it's finest. Extinction takes the weak.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:06:00 -
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I find it fairly disterbing that I seem to be the only one capable of evaluating this situation with a sound mind.
Keep in mind the Republic is fairly new, it is not the same as times before contact with Amarr. Also the circumstances under which it was founded are somewhat dicy at best. Nevertheless the basics are there, but the Republic started off with zero infastructure and billions of people. It is a very different growth path and one made more significant when interest in building that infastructure is not the top priority.
Let's examine the knee-jerk options put forth now:
1) No confidence, vote Shakor in: Well I'm certain he would help reduce the population through conscripted military service, and war with Amarr. I'm not sure how freeing slaves into a society that cannot support them would work. Refugee's are excellent citizens when brought into something with infastructure, not when they have to build it.
2) Give up, dismantle everything and cry in a courner: Yes, then the Amarrians waltz in, take back what they claimed and you'll be saluting Ammatar's. They would build the infastructure but probably in a way that is undisirable. Personally I have no disire to have to listen to Ardor lecture me on how he's my "Better." Pulgor bristles a bit.
I think the situation is normalizing itself. People will leave for the Gallente Federation which has the infastructure to support them. I think the best thing for the Republic to do would be to refocus and continue working on building a sustainable economy. I apologize that this isn't a hostile kneejerk reply to fan the fires of debate, I'm rather calm right now since it's just after meditation. I'll return later and provide something more inflametory should the need arise.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:13:00 -
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The Republic needs to choose between existing tribal structures and the role of Parliament. Right now, tribal leaders control internal politics, Parliament only governs the relations with other Empires. If the Minmatar Republic is to survive, it will need to adapt the tribal structures into Parliament and create an entity that truly speaks for all Minmatar.
They won't of course, being the hot-headed little imps that they are..
[Now with MIND BULLETS!]
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:22:00 -
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And unfortunately for you, you won't be around to see it.
This is evolution at it's finest. Extinction takes the weak.
A powerful vision overcomes me, that of the common grave of the Caldari people, after the Amarr use them (you are no better than slaves to them, why should you be treated any differently?) to do the brunt of the work against the Federation and Republic should open hostilities break out...shortly followed by the Empire using the weakness in all 3 to wipe us all out:
"Oops"
Contriving your own demise is no better than stumbling onto it through the ineptitude of your leadership.
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Shemar
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:44:00 -
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I find myself in agreement with Pulgor (this time  ).
I think the situation will come to a natural balance soon and that the whole media frenzy over this is more of an indication of nothing else of great interest happening, rather then the actual facts being all that dramatic.
Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision
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Unuthiel
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Posted - 2006.01.25 20:59:00 -
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you are no better than slaves to them, why should you be treated any differently?
The Amarr do, in fact, have the concept of....almost Amarr, if you will. We aren't limited to Amaar (master), all others (slaves). See the Khanid for an example, they are a non-Amaar race that is for all intents and purposes the equal of the Amarr bloodline within the empire. Now, will we try in good conscience to inform friends of ours of the true path to God? Of course.
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Gaius Sejanus
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Posted - 2006.01.25 22:59:00 -
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See the Khanid for an example, they are a non-Amaar race that is for all intents and purposes the equal of the Amarr bloodline within the empire
Look up from your prayer book and read some of your own history, if they even let you.
The Khanid are actually MORE than equal to the average Amarr bloodline, given as they were in line for the imperial throne until their leader decided that losing the trial was not sufficient grounds to commit ritual suicide.
And if they are so equal, why has the Empire tried more than once to annex the Khanid by force of arms?
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