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Tom Gerard Dark-Rising 1137	Posted - 2013.10.08 07:02:00 - [1] - Quote Who Am I? Tom Gerard, Former Forum Troll; I was one of the loudest, most abrasive, and abusive commentators throughout the whole "monocle gate" incident. I am now a very happy capsuleer who feels compelled to recognize the changes that have been made to New Eden. Why am I thanking CCP? -- This is yet another FREE expansion to a game I love. -- This expansion is about SHIPS IN SPACE! =) -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. -- This expansion adds CONTENT to the game! =) -- This expansion clearly demonstrates the developers have a passion for the game. I'd like to say it: CCP you made massive changes since the release of Incarna, and made BIG PROMISES, and for several expansions now have delivered and exceeded my expectations. If I could complain about anything it would be that I want "MORE" of the good stuff you've been releasing. Wishlist: PC Support for Dust514, and Valkyrie A DevBlog about the EVEmobile mentioned at fanfest, it may not be audible but their is a ROAR of excitement coming from the people I play with who are VERY excited and would love a peek at what is in development for our mobile devices. One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg
Kristina Rin Callide Vulpis Curatores Veritatis Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.10.08 07:20:00 - [2] - Quote i support Dust514 on PC too :D From Vietnam with love <3
Jint Hikaru OffWorld Exploration Inc 837	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:00:00 - [3] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. If someone was to tell me that I would be agreeing with Tom Gerard on the Eve forums, I would have told them to 'shut the hell up' I tip my internet space hat to you Mr Gerard, well played sir! Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
Alara IonStorm 5388	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:06:00 - [4] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Who Am I? Tom Gerard, Former Forum Troll; One of the best. Most lazily pick a stupid or offensive name, Tom Gerard anagrams it like a boss. omG ******
Kehro Urgus Ab Obice Saevior 967	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:09:00 - [5] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Tom Gerard wrote: Who Am I? Tom Gerard, Former Forum Troll; One of the best. Most lazily pick a stupid or offensive name, Tom Gerard anagrams it like a boss. omG reTard Mine becomes Kosher Guru. I hate douchebags.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations Self Sabatoge 1335	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:09:00 - [6] - Quote I am excited for Rubicon. Thus most miners will now say they hate it. See Bio for isk doubling rules. -áIf you didn't read bio, chances are you helped fund those who did.
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: -- This is yet another FREE expansion to a game I love. -- This expansion is about SHIPS IN SPACE! =) -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. -- This expansion adds CONTENT to the game! =) -- This expansion clearly demonstrates the developers have a passion for the game. 1) WoW also has FREE "expansions" to the game that add dungeons and new items to the game from time to time, including bug fixes and other such stuff. EVE's expansions have lately been just major patches. Well needed ones yes, but not expansions. 2) There will never be pay to win in this game even if they added it. Superior numbers always beat superior weaponry. And Eve's all about bringing bigger gangs with you. 3) No it doesn't. Tyrannis added content to the game, this just adds a few ships and bug fixes and balances, just like any other larger patch usually does. 4) So much passion that they work on an arcade space-flight-sim on their free time that has almost nothing to do with EVE but the graphics? So much passion that they can't be arsed to think of proper expansions to the game? S***w you and the horse you rode in on.
Jake Warbird Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 3306	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:39:00 - [8] - Quote Tom, you really need to be more subtle here.
Tom Gerard Dark-Rising 1139	Posted - 2013.10.08 08:47:00 - [9] - Quote Sointu, Your comparison to WoW is interesting, I too play that game and enjoy it. The difference between the two is single iteration content vs persistent content. Basically in WoW I run content once for story and ntimes for gear. After the content is consumed I need more and WoW delivers. In EVE content is persistent there is no diminishing returns on piloting a rifter. In fact I flew and lost the same rifter hundreds of times in RvB. Due to the persistence of content CCP is slower to release as content can be enjoyed indefinitely and can negatively affect existing content if poorly implemented (ref: incarna). The rest is just "like you opinion... man" One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg
Koki Ottic Hitcher's 7	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:43:00 - [10] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Tom Gerard wrote: Who Am I? Tom Gerard, Former Forum Troll; One of the best. Most lazily pick a stupid or offensive name, Tom Gerard anagrams it like a boss. omG reTard Alara Ion Storm =Anal Roams Riot
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 6069	Posted - 2013.10.08 09:53:00 - [11] - Quote Anyone who says Rubicon doesn't add content doesn't understand what content actually is. EVE Online - A Rigged Game
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:18:00 - [12] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Anyone who says Rubicon doesn't add content doesn't understand what content actually is. Funny, I would say that anyone who thinks Rubicon adds content doesn't understand what content actually is. "Ooh, couple of ships and few deployable items, CONTEEENT!" I really hope they deliver some actual content in the next expansions after this one like they promise or they'll be making pretty big fools out of themselves.
Luwc Easy Co. Fatal Ascension 15	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:25:00 - [13] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Who Am I? Why am I thanking CCP? -- This is yet another FREE expansion to a game I love. -- This expansion is about SHIPS IN SPACE! =) -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. -- This expansion adds CONTENT to the game! =) -- This expansion clearly demonstrates the developers have a passion for the game. . - 15 bucks a month is not free - what else ... dust ? cough couch - PLEX = P2W - content is made by players not ****** new command ship models - for making $$$ by getting more WoW players
Dreistein Ter ang nog saas on a leppen 101010 Alliance 4	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:44:00 - [14] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: ... -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. ... /emote hopes this will still be true after release. For all the other stuff, the 'good' (for me) and the 'bad', (for me), strategies will be adapted as needed :-)
ACE McFACE Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Filthy Bastards 1522	Posted - 2013.10.08 10:57:00 - [15] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Anyone who says Rubicon doesn't add content doesn't understand what content actually is. Funny, I would say that anyone who thinks Rubicon adds content doesn't understand what content actually is. "Ooh, couple of ships and few deployable items, CONTEEENT!" I really hope they deliver some actual content in the next expansions after this one like they promise or they'll be making pretty big fools out of themselves. You are one of the people James is talking about. And I wholeheartedly agree with him. You should be notified if someone quotes your post so you can continue the argument!
Nebu Retski Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 45	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:03:00 - [16] - Quote Luwc wrote: - 15 bucks a month is not free - what else ... dust ? cough couch - PLEX = P2W - content is made by players not ****** new command ship models - for making $$$ by getting more WoW players Most other MMO's require you to pay extra for an expansion on top of the 15$/month so you could consider the expansions for eve to be free Meh DUST Sure bro, buy some plex, sell them on the market, officer fit your "insert ship here" and come at me bro. Plex is not pay to win, it makes it a little easier to acquire certain items to ease fittings, but if you don't know how to fit it nor fly nor know what you can engage with it, you'll lose regardless of the amount of $$ you spent to put the ship together. Content is indeed made by players and CCP merely provides tools for the players to use/abuse to make the content. So even though it looks like CCP only adds minor/insignificant tools, they still bring new content because there will be players using/abusing those tools.
Lipbite Express Hauler 884	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:13:00 - [17] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: [i]-- This is yet another FREE expansion TBH I wouldn't purchase any of expansions I've seen during last 3 years: they had ~zero content for me.
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 1204	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:31:00 - [18] - Quote I wouldn't expect a NPC alt to understand what content in EVE is. Dungeons =/= content. Shiny yet useless ships =/= content. NPCs =/= content. Entirely new way to disrupt someone's moon mining operation = content. Fighting over highsec POCOs = content. Warp speed changes = complete overhaul of very basic mechanics of combat = content. Ship rebalance = much bigger choice of viable ships and fleetcomps = content.
GreenSeed 705	Posted - 2013.10.08 11:36:00 - [19] - Quote this will be remembered as the "warp speed expansion". i'm surprised as to how so few see the implications and applications of faster warp in and warp out. its not just about fast points, but also fast ganks, and harassing doctrines with ABCs... etc, etc. i'm more interested on the effect this will have on blobwarfare over the effect it will have on small gangs and interceptors.
Arduemont 12 pound opinion 2065	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:13:00 - [20] - Quote It's sad that the most exiting thing coming in this 'patch' is going to be the warp speed acceleration changes. When you say 'most of us' are happy with the complete lack of content in this coming expansion, I presume you meant 'I'. Because you are not most of us. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice."
Kate stark 460	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:18:00 - [21] - Quote every patch is the same. CCP: guys, we're making the game better! people: **** you ccp, we hate you for making the game better and there's no ~content~ even though you're clearly changing lots of things and changing the meta. Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Broker Agent Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 55	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:29:00 - [22] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Anyone who says Rubicon doesn't add content doesn't understand what content actually is. Anyone who says that people who say that Rubicon doesn't add content doesn't understand what content actually is doesn't understand what content actually is.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 2998	Posted - 2013.10.08 12:32:00 - [23] - Quote Tom Gerard wrote: Who Am I? Tom Gerard, Former Forum Troll; I was one of the loudest, most abrasive, and abusive commentators throughout the whole "monocle gate" incident. I am now a very happy capsuleer who feels compelled to recognize the changes that have been made to New Eden. Why am I thanking CCP? -- This is yet another FREE expansion to a game I love. -- This expansion is about SHIPS IN SPACE! =) -- This expansion has ZERO "pay to win" flavoring to it. -- This expansion adds CONTENT to the game! =) -- This expansion clearly demonstrates the developers have a passion for the game. I'd like to say it: CCP you made massive changes since the release of Incarna, and made BIG PROMISES, and for several expansions now have delivered and exceeded my expectations. If I could complain about anything it would be that I want "MORE" of the good stuff you've been releasing. Wishlist: PC Support for Dust514, and Valkyrie A DevBlog about the EVEmobile mentioned at fanfest, it may not be audible but their is a ROAR of excitement coming from the people I play with who are VERY excited and would love a peek at what is in development for our mobile devices. why is it when Tom isn't trolling I still feel like I'm being had reading his post? On a serious note, I agree totally. I know others who are all like "this isn't an expansion". Well, I just think their expectations are too high or they mistake their own boredom for bad EVE expansions. I'm all ready putting thought into how I'm going to use some of the things Rubicon will have.
Caliph Muhammed Perkone Caldari State 570	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:26:00 - [24] - Quote Wars over hisec PI? Am I in the Twilight Zone? I've got the skills for PI and the income even with it mostly passive is so lackluster I stopped bothering. I've got the skills and the friends to take down pocos/poses or war over it. I'd still not bother. Who the hell cares?
Davon Mandra'thin Rotten Legion Ops 207	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:32:00 - [25] - Quote Quote: most of us Speak for yourself buddy. Looks like a great many of us call bull. I've loved every expansion pre-Odyssey. Odyssey was a steaming pile of ****, and this looks like it's going to be the same. Fact is CCP are now wasting our money and most of the development time on Dust, WoD, or Valkyrie.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 Angry Mustellid 435	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:39:00 - [26] - Quote Kristina Rin wrote: i support Dust514 on PC too :D Link for the lazy It has no real Eve integration, but then again neither does Dust. If I agreed with you, then we'd both be wrong.
Caliph Muhammed Perkone Caldari State 570	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:50:00 - [27] - Quote Kate stark wrote: every patch is the same. CCP: guys, we're making the game better! people: **** you ccp, we hate you for making the game better and there's no ~content~ even though you're clearly changing lots of things and changing the meta. Change is not content. Its change. Its like saying changing ships from grey to black is an expansion. Making the game better is opinion. In my and many others opinion the game has gotten progressively worse since around incarna. We used to have fun and now we don't. We didn't change, the game did. Most of us stick around because weve dedicated time and cash building resources and characters not because we're pleased. And nothing META is changing. Local chat will still prevent anyone that chooses not to die from dying. Ive been in plenty of fights and wars and I haven't died in 3 years or so. I did appreciate wh pvp but the logistics of wormholes make it a pita playing with one character and hence I likely wont be dying for another 3 years if ever again.
Joan Greywind No Swag Initiative 162	Posted - 2013.10.08 17:51:00 - [28] - Quote I think there a big misconception for the people that think CCP isn't adding content. What they are doing in the last couple of patches is adding things that greatly increases the players' ability to add content themselves, which what makes EVE, in my humble opinion (not really I am really smug, but say humble to pretend I am a nice guy), a very unique game. -For instance a small change like tower sma dropping a wreck when it is destroyed seems like a very quick fix. But that will change the whole dynamic of wormhole evictions and will make them much more viable. Now the fat wormhole pinatas are worth the 2 days time they need to be destroyed. -The **** modules some of you are talking about like the local cyno jammer will make small gangs and fleets much viable adding a whole lot of content for small to medium corps. - The moon siphoning module will make small gangs actually hurt all mighty big alliances now, necessitating the formation of local resistance forces so you are efficient at protecting your moon resources. And many more examples In EVE content isn't jammed down your throat, fu being a shitt* panda, in EVE they give you the tools and you create the content.
Caliph Muhammed Perkone Caldari State 570	Posted - 2013.10.08 18:00:00 - [29] - Quote No they are't giving you the ability to add content either. They've tightened highsec security to the point where killing someone is somewhere between impossible, a waste of isk, a day long campfest or completely consensual. Theyre changing numbers around on ships and labeling it content. Theyre creating a method for taxing hisec PI that isn't worth doing let alone taxing or fighting a war over. Theyre adding some warp changes that still become nullified by local chat. Siphoning moongoo? We gonna blled goonswarm down are we? LOL. A big pile of fail.
Anomaly One Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2013.10.08 18:05:00 - [30] - Quote Comparing wow to eve, In eve you change a single ship and the whole game changes and it provides player driven content for months on its own with that simple change, nvm the other changes.. In wow you add 5+ dungeons and a bunch of raids in 1 month and people are still bored and ask for more content.. quality > quantity.. Just because you won't use the content provided doesn't make it less of a content.. or something.. Quote: They've tightened highsec security to the point where killing someone is somewhere between impossible, a waste of isk, a day long campfest or completely consensual. lol

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