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Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:06:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely.
In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX.
I don't see any problem with using wine as a DX translator. I don't think a rewrite of the engine would be justified for the small performance improvement that could potentially be gained even if there was a significant amount of EVE players on Linux (which there isn't). Even Valve uses a translation layer to port their DX only games (there is some video on youtube where they talk a bit more in detail about this). |
Charlie Jacobson
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Posted - 2013.10.10 22:36:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:YesYes NoNoNo wrote:I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it... Yeah, except that didn't work. You'd know if you weren't such a buttmunch.
Indeed, display settings can sometimes be confusing and counter-intuitive in Linux on some systems. Manually configuring Xorg is messy, and everything doesn't always work out of the box. Driver support is slowly improving, though. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.10 23:28:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lykouleon wrote:Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller. What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess...
Latency? Latency.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:03:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:It already runs on Linux
Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches.
Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better.
Don't ban me, bro! |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
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Posted - 2013.10.11 05:00:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:It already runs on Linux Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better.
It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button |
Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.11 15:37:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:
It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button
Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see
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Posted - 2013.10.12 05:15:00 -
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Sointu Luonnotar wrote:Karak Terrel wrote:
It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button
Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with.
Look, i'm ******* drunk, I just came home from an epic beer annihilation fest. However, I try to introduce you to a little secrete. I use a minimal window manager (awesome... no, it has nothing to do with "CCP awesome*, it's the name of the window manager and it is appropriate). It just ******* works, I can organize my workflow in a way you can ******* dream of. It is perfect. Every time I work one a machine without it I feel like i'am in a ******* straight jacket or something. It uses no resources and if I launch EVE over wine it gets every ******* CPU cycle it needs.
I will upgrade my hardware if I need more power to play EVE or any other game I like to play. This is not the case at the moment, everything runs perfectly fine, like it did 7 years ago. If your operating system forces you to think otherwise, maybe the problem isn't the hardware. |
Bill Saisima
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.12 08:55:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:WIndows is for sure not the best but my 64b Win8 version entirely satisfies all my needs, and for once one that works.
I don't need to be a computer nerd to get my stuff sorted, it's easy, simple, it's click&go, that's exactly what you guys don't like because you need to feel special and make it know, have claps and thx from fans etc... sadly for Linux and its future.
True, I just hate to have NSA spyware on my PC. That should be the 'privilege' of US citizens only. |
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.12 11:30:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Geezus, they finally decided to make a move into DX11 because everybody apparently run Eve on calculators and you want them to support some barely released OS just because it had geek news headlines for like 5 seconds?
On the other hand they made mediocre shooter for PS3 so expect full Steam OS support next month.
DirectX is locked to **** that is windows. if they switch to OpenGL they can have native support for more or less any OS out there. It's not even as if directx provides better performance (nor does windows). |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
1272
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:01:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada.
Indeed I am. I also read your emails.
The 111.111 isk bounty thing? :D
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Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.13 11:43:00 -
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Linux has an important issue it seems not willing to take care of and could, at some point, make out of it a dinosaur.
Common language, common maths. Doesn't mean we have to be all white/black tall/pretty have nice cars or be poor, all speak english russian or mandarin only, just means the larger number speak and understand a common language the faster the group evolves.
This is true in many domains, computer and OS crap also, in this specific case Linux has an issue and will stay marginal because it's not a common language everyone in whatever place on earth can understand.
Linux like many other OS or programs is not bad, it's just not meant (atm) to be the OS everyone and his cat wants at home because it's easy, functional, nice looking (it's important) organized is some manner you'll always find or do what you have to because even a kid can understand the organization and basics.
And if this program continues to be more marginalized than it should be it's also because everyone knows if you have issues, before you get your stuff sorted you'll get headaches and loose all will to live before the uber linux nerds rage falls over you to tell you how bad you are without providing you any information that might solve your issue.
This is a poor human behavior but very typical in linux forums when you ask for help, not all of course.
Anyway there's a common platform everyone and his cat is able to work on, learn easily from it, use it, communicate with every one at the other side of the world without being a special nerd, Mr Random or John Doe click and go and it works, it's WIn platforms and at some extent Mac (less), this is a huge step not meaning win is the best of all OSs, just the one everyone can understand and easily adapt that's why its so great.
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Raneru
Euphoria Released
Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.10.13 13:38:00 -
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FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote:SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely.
In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX.
At Fanfest I heard from a dev (not sure which) that CCP actually have implemented OpenGL as a renderer for Eve. With that, it would be trivial to port Eve to SteamOS. |
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