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Vihura Rave Technologies Inc. C0VEN 46	Posted - 2013.10.10 09:15:00 - [1] - Quote Do CCP plan make eve compatible with Steam OS ?
TharOkha 0asis Group 605	Posted - 2013.10.10 09:22:00 - [2] - Quote Steam OS is a Linux. So yes. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
Rich Uncle PennyBags EVE Online Monopoly 44	Posted - 2013.10.10 09:51:00 - [3] - Quote Linux hasn't been supported for years. So no.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 397	Posted - 2013.10.10 09:57:00 - [4] - Quote It already runs on Linux
Schmata Bastanold The brothers inc Brothers Of The Dark Sun 1016	Posted - 2013.10.10 09:58:00 - [5] - Quote Geezus, they finally decided to make a move into DX11 because everybody apparently run Eve on calculators and you want them to support some barely released OS just because it had geek news headlines for like 5 seconds? On the other hand they made mediocre shooter for PS3 so expect full Steam OS support next month. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold
Bill Saisima State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:35:00 - [6] - Quote I dream of native linux client. The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:)
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 48	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:53:00 - [7] - Quote Bill Saisima wrote: I dream of native linux client. The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:) At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it. God help you if you can't connect to the web and need help with that, altough with the advent of smartphones this problem is a little lesser. Regards, ex-linux user.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few 95	Posted - 2013.10.10 10:55:00 - [8] - Quote Vihura wrote: Do CCP plan make eve compatible with Steam OS ? Playing EVE with a controller on the livingroom couch. That would make POS bashing and laggy blops a lot more enjoyable, I can imagine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 397	Posted - 2013.10.10 11:32:00 - [9] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it. Cool story bra. If you even fail at finding the menu for the display settings and think you have to do something on the cli then I doubt very much that Linux or the desktop environment you used was the problem. I hope you stay on Windows, I would hate it if the "fix my printer" crowd switches over.
March rabbit epTa Team Inc. 794	Posted - 2013.10.10 12:26:00 - [10] - Quote Bill Saisima wrote: Windows is boring.:) Windows is just works. Yes, it's boring
Grimpak Duty. The Cursed Few 1175	Posted - 2013.10.10 12:37:00 - [11] - Quote Bill Saisima wrote: I dream of native linux client. The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:) go back a few years then and join the then 0.5% linux users that played EVE, pretty much the reason why CCP decided to give up on the linux client. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
TheGunslinger42 All Web Investigations 2446	Posted - 2013.10.10 12:40:00 - [12] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: Bill Saisima wrote: I dream of native linux client. The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:) At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it. God help you if you can't connect to the web and need help with that, altough with the advent of smartphones this problem is a little lesser. Regards, ex-linux user. as the saying goes, pebkac
GreenSeed 710	Posted - 2013.10.10 13:48:00 - [13] - Quote a better question would be, how do you play eve with a controller?
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 50	Posted - 2013.10.10 14:06:00 - [14] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: Cool story bra. If you even fail at finding the menu for the display settings and think you have to do something on the cli then I doubt very much that Linux or the desktop environment you used was the problem. I hope you stay on Windows, I would hate it if the "fix my printer" crowd switches over. Well Einstein, I obviously did try to change the settings from the control menu. Didn't work. Then I explained my problem and asked around how to change the settings manually I was told to edit a config file, which I did, once again to no avail. As a final resolution they told me to "type this command to the console and use super user" to do it. Did so and still did not work. After this people just shrugged and said they didn't have any solution that they could think of. And yes I did provide them with all the relevant information they asked of me - the system was updated with latest drivers and system updates available, aside from that it was a fresh installation. Anyway, as I really wasn't too keen on using my computer with 800x600 resolution in the year of the lord 2010 I did what any sensible user would do after trying to fix a very damn basic problem with the help of numerous people for a week, fixed MBR and formatted the Linux partition and continued using Windows I hadn't and wasn't planning on uninstalling due to Linux being a relatively poor OS for gaming at the time and as far as I've understood, still is.
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 726	Posted - 2013.10.10 14:09:00 - [15] - Quote Cue "tablet" threads in 3....2...1
Alpheias Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 2844	Posted - 2013.10.10 14:20:00 - [16] - Quote I doubt it. CCP abandoned Linux a long time ago. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on.
bloodknight2 Talledega Knights PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS 296	Posted - 2013.10.10 15:02:00 - [17] - Quote Eve + linux + controller + TV?
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1099	Posted - 2013.10.10 16:08:00 - [18] - Quote Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
ElQuirko Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT 2096	Posted - 2013.10.10 17:29:00 - [19] - Quote Miilla wrote: Cue "tablet" threads in 3....2...1 So anyway does anyone reckon CCP will get touchscreen support for my tablet any time soon? Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved.
Xercodo Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering 2587	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:06:00 - [20] - Quote I have a feeling some are gonna have too much fun with those radial menus being implemented onto that controller... The Drake is a Lie
Miilla Hulkageddon Orphanage 727	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:09:00 - [21] - Quote I too want eve on my Arduino, moar blinky lights me sais!.
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1270	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: Sointu Luonnotar wrote: At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it. Cool story bra. If you even fail at finding the menu for the display settings and think you have to do something on the cli then I doubt very much that Linux or the desktop environment you used was the problem. I hope you stay on Windows, I would hate it if the "fix my printer" crowd switches over. Superiority complex from Linux users is probably the worst part of that OS and will never get fixed. Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada. Ex linux user here, WIndows is for sure not the best but my 64b Win8 version entirely satisfies all my needs, and for once one that works. I don't need to be a computer nerd to get my stuff sorted, it's easy, simple, it's click&go, that's exactly what you guys don't like because you need to feel special and make it know, have claps and thx from fans etc... sadly for Linux and its future. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 399	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:31:00 - [23] - Quote SergeantGood wrote: to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada. Indeed I am. I also read your emails.
Pius Rova Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.10.10 18:34:00 - [24] - Quote The only two reasons M$ is still on my computer is because of Netflix and EVE, not too long ago a Netflix solution became available, now how about EVE?
YesYes NoNoNo Karmic Rebalance 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:13:00 - [25] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: Bill Saisima wrote: I dream of native linux client. The steam on linux initiative is a bold step btw, I'm curious if steam is strong enough to actually change things, it would be interesting. Windows is boring.:) At least I can fix most of my problems on Windows by myself (which I rarely have), when I use Linux I have to consult 7 different people on changing display settings through the console and still fail to change the screen resolution no matter what superuser rights I command. Also when there are issues with Windows I'll probably find at least a few people who have had the same problem and know how to fix it. God help you if you can't connect to the web and need help with that, altough with the advent of smartphones this problem is a little lesser. Regards, ex-linux user. I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :(
YesYes NoNoNo Karmic Rebalance 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:17:00 - [26] - Quote Xercodo wrote: I have a feeling some are gonna have too much fun with those radial menus being implemented onto that controller... Depends on what you use as a controller.
Frostys Virpio Lame Corp Name 728	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:31:00 - [27] - Quote Lykouleon wrote: Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller. What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess...
YesYes NoNoNo Karmic Rebalance 9	Posted - 2013.10.10 19:37:00 - [28] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Lykouleon wrote: Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller. What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess... Let's try again... I have a USB controller on my PC. I use it for various games sometimes. This doesn't mean I HAVE to use it for every last game - as a matter of fact I'm using a keyboard to type this right now! The controller is just sitting on my desk looking sad that I'm about to use the mouse to press post...
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 54	Posted - 2013.10.10 20:36:00 - [29] - Quote YesYes NoNoNo wrote: I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it... Yeah, except that didn't work. You'd know if you weren't such a buttmunch.
FlinchingNinja Kishunuba Crunchy Crunchy Zero Hour Alliance 164	Posted - 2013.10.10 21:55:00 - [30] - Quote SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely. In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 400	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:06:00 - [31] - Quote FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely. In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX. I don't see any problem with using wine as a DX translator. I don't think a rewrite of the engine would be justified for the small performance improvement that could potentially be gained even if there was a significant amount of EVE players on Linux (which there isn't). Even Valve uses a translation layer to port their DX only games (there is some video on youtube where they talk a bit more in detail about this).
Charlie Jacobson 234	Posted - 2013.10.10 22:36:00 - [32] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: YesYes NoNoNo wrote: I agree that this complicated box http://i.imgur.com/gMI9Ta1.png that is accessible within two clicks from the desktop is horrible :( So well hidden that the first 6 people couldn't find it... Yeah, except that didn't work. You'd know if you weren't such a buttmunch. Indeed, display settings can sometimes be confusing and counter-intuitive in Linux on some systems. Manually configuring Xorg is messy, and everything doesn't always work out of the box. Driver support is slowly improving, though.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1099	Posted - 2013.10.10 23:28:00 - [33] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Lykouleon wrote: Always funny that people don't remember that SteamOS can use K/M as well, not just the new fancy-smancy controller. What about the people who forget about how that steam box is supposed to be able to run your games on your windows computer and just have a stream to your TV with controller link? Why would dev make a steam box client when the win client can be streamed? Well as long as the feature work I guess... Latency? Latency. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 1577	Posted - 2013.10.11 02:03:00 - [34] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: It already runs on Linux Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better. Don't ban me, bro!
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 400	Posted - 2013.10.11 05:00:00 - [35] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Karak Terrel wrote: It already runs on Linux Technically, you're correct. The reality is it runs on Wine which runs on Linux for a substantial drop is performance and a significant upswing in headaches. Don't get me wrong, I love Linux. But I, and many others, know better. It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button
Sointu Luonnotar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 63	Posted - 2013.10.11 15:37:00 - [36] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with.
Karak Terrel As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions 401	Posted - 2013.10.12 05:15:00 - [37] - Quote Sointu Luonnotar wrote: Karak Terrel wrote: It runs perfectly with my 7 year old computer (graphicscard was updated 4 years ago) so the performance drop can't be too bad. And with PlayOnLinux the installation is as easy as klicking a button Why are you still using a 7 year old computer? That's like 150 in computer years. And don't say because you're poor, because I'm poor, and even I can update my computer every few years. I'd consider 5 years the absolute maximum for a viable computer lifetime if it has decent parts at the time of purchase. Less, if has worse than average components to start with. Look, i'm ******* drunk, I just came home from an epic beer annihilation fest. However, I try to introduce you to a little secrete. I use a minimal window manager (awesome... no, it has nothing to do with "CCP awesome, it's the name of the window manager and it is appropriate). It just **** works, I can organize my workflow in a way you can *** dream of. It is perfect. Every time I work one a machine without it I feel like i'am in a *** straight jacket or something. It uses no resources and if I launch EVE over wine it gets every ***** CPU cycle it needs. I will upgrade my hardware if I need more power to play EVE or any other game I like to play. This is not the case at the moment, everything runs perfectly fine, like it did 7 years ago. If your operating system forces you to think otherwise, maybe the problem isn't the hardware.
Bill Saisima State War Academy Caldari State 5	Posted - 2013.10.12 08:55:00 - [38] - Quote Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: WIndows is for sure not the best but my 64b Win8 version entirely satisfies all my needs, and for once one that works. I don't need to be a computer nerd to get my stuff sorted, it's easy, simple, it's click&go, that's exactly what you guys don't like because you need to feel special and make it know, have claps and thx from fans etc... sadly for Linux and its future. True, I just hate to have NSA spyware on my PC. That should be the 'privilege' of US citizens only.
Axhind Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2013.10.12 11:30:00 - [39] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Geezus, they finally decided to make a move into DX11 because everybody apparently run Eve on calculators and you want them to support some barely released OS just because it had geek news headlines for like 5 seconds? On the other hand they made mediocre shooter for PS3 so expect full Steam OS support next month. DirectX is locked to **** that is windows. if they switch to OpenGL they can have native support for more or less any OS out there. It's not even as if directx provides better performance (nor does windows).
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1272	Posted - 2013.10.13 11:01:00 - [40] - Quote Karak Terrel wrote: Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote: Good to know you're an uber master 10th degree on computer sciences programming nuclear engineering and yada yada. Indeed I am. I also read your emails. The 111.111 isk bounty thing? :D removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Sergeant Acht Scultz School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1274	Posted - 2013.10.13 11:43:00 - [41] - Quote Linux has an important issue it seems not willing to take care of and could, at some point, make out of it a dinosaur. Common language, common maths. Doesn't mean we have to be all white/black tall/pretty have nice cars or be poor, all speak english russian or mandarin only, just means the larger number speak and understand a common language the faster the group evolves. This is true in many domains, computer and OS crap also, in this specific case Linux has an issue and will stay marginal because it's not a common language everyone in whatever place on earth can understand. Linux like many other OS or programs is not bad, it's just not meant (atm) to be the OS everyone and his cat wants at home because it's easy, functional, nice looking (it's important) organized is some manner you'll always find or do what you have to because even a kid can understand the organization and basics. And if this program continues to be more marginalized than it should be it's also because everyone knows if you have issues, before you get your stuff sorted you'll get headaches and loose all will to live before the uber linux nerds rage falls over you to tell you how bad you are without providing you any information that might solve your issue. This is a poor human behavior but very typical in linux forums when you ask for help, not all of course. Anyway there's a common platform everyone and his cat is able to work on, learn easily from it, use it, communicate with every one at the other side of the world without being a special nerd, Mr Random or John Doe click and go and it works, it's WIn platforms and at some extent Mac (less), this is a huge step not meaning win is the best of all OSs, just the one everyone can understand and easily adapt that's why its so great. removed inappropriate ASCII art signature - CCP Eterne
Raneru Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse 65	Posted - 2013.10.13 13:38:00 - [42] - Quote FlinchingNinja Kishunuba wrote: SteamOS will be openGL where as Eve is directX based, Eve on Mac and Linux just use the Wine DLL to emulate directX. CCP would need to recode the engine in openGL to truly benefit from Linux and with the dx11 announcement this seems very unlikely. In other news got Eve running on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS no probs just get some slowdown with certain SFX. At Fanfest I heard from a dev (not sure which) that CCP actually have implemented OpenGL as a renderer for Eve. With that, it would be trivial to port Eve to SteamOS.

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