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Darken Two	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Oceana Well I'd still like to hear from the rest of F-E too, since its HUN and Celestine and Salmissra and Russian Thunder etc etc that are killing (F-E Killboards) and getting killed (5 Killboards) and I don't see GODS there post-ceasefire. All I see is that 5 moved POS into D7 during the ceasefire and the leadership (GODS) who arranged the ceasefire are still not visibly doing anything about it. I know that's going to sound like just flamebait because I'm NBSI, but frankly since I was actually in a joint F-E/NBSI/PA gang fighting 5 in WH- at the very moment that Persh decided to post on the forums and cut ties with NBSI and PA cause we were "not helping" it's made me wonder about the relationship between GODS and the other F-E corps. Throughout the whole mess we have continued to have joint gangs with many F-E members, have stayed blue, did not have any friendly fire incidents that I know of, and continue to have a good working relationship "on the ground" with the majority of F-E members and member corps. So I think I'd like to hear the answer to Serend's question too. Serends question is invalid. FE is a dictatorship run by Persh and a couple others. Thats how its been and thats how it will continue to be. We aren't some pansy democracy where every members opinion counts. If you think so many FE are in love with you, go ahead and recruit them or sumin instead of whining on the forums about how we aint helping you. And btw why are you soooo interrested in how FE is handling affairs in our space? Dont you have stuff to clear up in Venal? Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Oceana	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:08:00 - [32] Quote: recruit them or sumin instead of whining on the forums about how we aint helping you. Quote: Dont you have stuff to clear up in Venal? NBSI has never once asked for F-E to help in our space, to deal with RISK, 5, KIA, BoB or whoever else has wandered in. NBSI lives in Tenal.
Lunas Feelgood	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:14:00 - [33] Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 26/01/2006 03:15:17 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: pershphanie check our killboards moron. We arent napped with the5. nbsi might want to consider not recruiting members with extra chromosomes. LOL [email protected] Thoth can you say stab *****??? Can you say.. Leave Alliance to escape wars (twice), promise to make war mutal if declared on a 3rd time.. then suddenly chicken out? I would say @ pwnd.com.. but i'm sure ur running away from that scared as well LMAO do you actually belive that crap m8?? Get you facts strait the reason we ran away from ATUK was not becuase of ATUK but becuase of you Thoth. Everytime we saw you in local half our fleet had a heart attack because of you insane pvp abilitis.. Or it could be my ranis didnt have enough fricking midslots to actually hold you and fight
Kerosene	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:21:00 - [34] I wouldn't even bother Luny. He's just a troll looking for a response and you're giving him it. Just hope this thread gets NBSI/F-E/PA to work out their differences again. __ Originally by: Galaxian I'd like to add that as a penalty for warping out, Chowdown recieved a /heal0 from the devs, and his ship promptly exploded.
Raven03	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:25:00 - [35] Originally by: Darken Two oooooh Great thread. Also on a side note, what happened to NBSI's strategic planning on how to kill ATUK in venal? Do we have to wait a couple of years before you are ready to execute your masterplan? FE is fine and will remain that way...wish I coulsd say the same for you. On a side note, I have lost all respect for NBSI after reading this idiotic thread 1. What happened to F-E's master plan to remove 5 from Venal? 2. You can't judge a majority by a minority. 3. This is all like boys with toys grow some
Alex Krause	Posted - 2006.01.26 05:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: Lunas Feelgood Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 26/01/2006 03:15:17 Originally by: thoth foc Originally by: pershphanie check our killboards moron. We arent napped with the5. nbsi might want to consider not recruiting members with extra chromosomes. LOL [email protected] Thoth can you say stab *****??? Can you say.. Leave Alliance to escape wars (twice), promise to make war mutal if declared on a 3rd time.. then suddenly chicken out? I would say @ pwnd.com.. but i'm sure ur running away from that scared as well LMAO do you actually belive that crap m8?? Get you facts strait the reason we ran away from ATUK was not becuase of ATUK but becuase of you Thoth. Everytime we saw you in local half our fleet had a heart attack because of you insane pvp abilitis.. Or it could be my ranis didnt have enough fricking midslots to actually hold you and fight Way to go with your 'no smack' policy.
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.01.26 06:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Raven03 Originally by: Darken Two oooooh Great thread. Also on a side note, what happened to NBSI's strategic planning on how to kill ATUK in venal? Do we have to wait a couple of years before you are ready to execute your masterplan? FE is fine and will remain that way...wish I coulsd say the same for you. On a side note, I have lost all respect for NBSI after reading this idiotic thread 1. What happened to F-E's master plan to remove 5 from Venal? 2. You can't judge a majority by a minority. 3. This is all like boys with toys grow some 1. We didnt have any master plan. We never claimed to ether. We were there to help allies who it seems were busy doing other things while we fought off the .5. 2. What majority and what minority? 3. Grow some eh? Maybe you should grow some and actually fight the .5. instead of flying hundred jumps to attack miners in the south. And growing some would also include not stealth-whining on the forums like this pathetic thread. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Vina	Posted - 2006.01.26 06:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Oceana All I see is that 5 moved POS into D7 during the ceasefire and the leadership (GODS) who arranged the ceasefire are still not visibly doing anything about it. Nice Spin there. The NAP was off monday dt. Today is wednesday. ----------------------------------- btw, threatening to close 1 account really hurt my eyes. - xaioguai
Metal Dude	Posted - 2006.01.26 06:10:00 - [39] Originally by: Oceana ... All I see is that 5 moved POS into D7 during the ceasefire and the leadership (GODS) who arranged the ceasefire are still not visibly doing anything about it. ... I think you need your eyes checked, because we did not move any POSes to D7 during the NAP and we honored our temporary NAP like we honor all our agreements with friends or foes alike, so go spin your lies and propaganda somewhere else. And any time you feel like biting instead of just barking, you know where we are. Come and get some. According to you, we were a dead alliance when you declared war on us, ummm like 3 months ago and I still don't see NBSI doing anything against us except barking on the forums. FE made a good decision to cut ties with you, even if they suffer a bit fighting us, at least they fight. Can't say the same about you. The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Raven03	Posted - 2006.01.26 06:17:00 - [40] 1. And you wonder why you didn't win 2. Minority being some people, Majority being NBSI 3. Please try not to tell people what to do. And to clearify I never whined, im done with this. If you want help you know what to do :)
Ku'Gras	Posted - 2006.01.26 07:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Serend Just wondered what Forsaken Empire pilots and corps are feeling now that The Five are expanding their hold in Venal, thanks to Persh's generous NAP agreement. Unhappy Corporations/pilots might want to consider another alliance.... Serend Black Lance NBSI So after Forsaken Empire announced they won't fight your wars anymore and making it clear this is their final decision you start a whiny thread to ask if they are happy?
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.26 07:41:00 - [42] Edited by: Darcuese on 26/01/2006 07:41:38 Originally by: Vina Originally by: Oceana All I see is that 5 moved POS into D7 during the ceasefire and the leadership (GODS) who arranged the ceasefire are still not visibly doing anything about it. Nice Spin there. The NAP was off monday dt. Today is wednesday. Thursday even Thanks for this thread guys...last few days on this section on forum was really boring [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ]"I know a brother of Ronaldhino called Rethardihno, and his only 5 jumps away from me in space and usually few posts above me".
Mortuus	Posted - 2006.01.26 07:44:00 - [43] For NBSI and CI pilots, all this information can be gathered from our shared channels with the FE groundpounders. As for the 5 fighting, well you know, we don't fight you when you are outnumbering us, and you don't fight us when we outnumber you. So lets drop the tough guy act at the door. As for us asking for help, I don't think we've even talked with FE about it. We have our own friends and allies. I would however like to take this time to congratulate ATUKs leadership, divide and conquer indeed. Well done. Occassus Republica, NBSI
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:18:00 - [44] NBSI **** stirring again. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Raven03 1. And you wonder why you didn't win 2. Minority being some people, Majority being NBSI 3. Please try not to tell people what to do. And to clearify I never whined, im done with this. If you want help you know what to do :) 1. We didnt win? You mean we decided not to do your dirty work for you. 2. Again what the hell are you talkin about. And for a 400 man alliance, you sure do bark a lot on the forums. 3. Oh the irony.... Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Svett	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:28:00 - [46] you ***** *** are *** ***** me
DjDangle	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Amthrianius I have solid proof persh sold out FE pershphanie > i sold out fe See absolutly conclusive evidence, i mean, it must be, ive posted it on the forums, thus it is to be believed by the masses* "On My Signal, Unleash Hell"
Sun Ra	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:42:00 - [48] w00t unbaned Anyways, nice move pershphanie Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Malken	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:49:00 - [49] looks to me that NBSI=Xetic revisited as in when they cant get everyone to do the work for them they cry on the forums.
Gigi Barbagrigia	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:50:00 - [50] Originally by: Amthrianius I have solid proof persh sold out FE pershphanie > i sold out fe See absolutly conclusive evidence, i mean, it must be, ive posted it on the forums, thus it is to be believed by the masses Correct. If you didn't know we're in it only for the money. ----- 42
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2006.01.26 08:56:00 - [51] In nearly 2 years of being back in Eve and activate on this forum I certify this as the largest steaming pile of pig dung I have ever seen on the forums,pls Cartif go back and set ur boys straight,least you were funny to read at times. Quick, bring me a beaker of wine,that I may wet my mind and say something clever. -Aristophane
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:03:00 - [52] Originally by: Lucian Alucard In nearly 2 years of being back in Eve and activate on this forum I certify this as the largest steaming pile of pig dung I have ever seen on the forums,pls Cartif go back and set ur boys straight,least you were funny to read at times. Lucian for the love of God, hit the enter button a couple times so your sig doesnt join with your post. I've seen it so many times, its makin me crazy. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
Darcuese	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Darcuese on 26/01/2006 09:13:18 nwm [ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ] FE is a dictatorship run by Persh and a couple others. We aren't some pansy democracy where every members opinion count
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:15:00 - [54] This entire post just seems engineered to stress relationships between FE and 5, it seems to me that NBSI are trying to deflect as much attention from themselves as possible, and using FE as the ceremonial calf. KIA flew through Venal last night, we found PA only in 6NJ and Y4CFK. They only came out to play when they realised we had a Ceptor fleet, and even then most of the 11!!! pilots that were there station hugged. We didnt see any NBSi in our travels through Lower Vale and Tenal. We did see a huge 5 fleet with Cyno Fields next to D7, and we did see a couple of smaller FE fleets, seperated by the 5 fleet. Despite my smack of recent days (engineered to get us fights of course, most anyone that knows me knows I am not overly comfortable with the smacking art), I am sitting back and wandering what gives in the "north". 5 and FE will duke it out no doubts, and then once finished tearing each other apart, NBSI/PA (the real heros!) will step up and claim the victory over 5 and probably over the "traitors" FE aswell. We are 4 days into our organised slaughter of NBSI and PA pilots, and its a lot harder than we thought it would be, finding these guys, is nigh on impossible, getting a fight that isnt dominated by WCS is absolutely impossible. Fe as always have my total admiration, they stepped away from an "Ally" that is rotten to the core, I just hope that Persp and co have the forethought and strength, to save FE from the attrition of an unecessary war, and go after the real snakes instead. CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
GOON ALT	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:23:00 - [55] /emote remembers back to the time when .5. became .5. and flew out to curse region. from this point onwards they napped everyone around them, just so they could get settled. Once settled started a big arguement with ASCN, which lead to the destruction of them, and.... well you know the rest. Backstabbing FTW eh guys? Well so long as BOS continue to protect us, im all for it
KIAEddZ	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:28:00 - [56] Having given this topic just a little more thought, I have come to the conclusion, that NBSI and PA see only one way out of the mess they are in. Allow relationships with FE to continue to degrade, to the point where they begin to fire upon FE, then look to 5 for a NAP to help against the "backstabbing" FE. Hopefully some small discussion abou tit now, will get 5 to adamantly say that this will never happen, FE to start to consider their position, and NBSI/PA to not be able to worm their way into any position where surviving this holocaust is possible. xx CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
Shittake	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Darken Two Serends question is invalid. FE is a dictatorship run by Persh and a couple others. Thats how its been and thats how it will continue to be. We aren't some pansy democracy where every members opinion counts. If you think so many FE are in love with you, go ahead and recruit them or sumin instead of whining on the forums about how we aint helping you. And btw why are you soooo interrested in how FE is handling affairs in our space? Dont you have stuff to clear up in Venal? We have a dictatorship in NBSI as well. What I see as the difference between the two dictatorships is that our leaders actually takes into account the concerns of the majority of our members prior to making alliance-wide decrees which affect us all. It could almost be called a benevolant dictatorship. The fact that F-E is considerably larger in raw numbers than NBSI makes it harder for leadership to "take the pulse" of their membership to ensure they do not make boneheaded decisions which drive their members away. Rememeber that your dictatorship is only as good as its leadership. Lately, I have heard more questioning of the decision-making process of F-E's leadership from its own members than anyone else. Also remember that people are not stupid and will recognize those leaders who are reluctant but duty-bound, not those who crave power and do or say anythign to keep it. In my mind, the best thing for F-E at this point is for their membership to request a change of leadership. If that leadership truly believes in F-E as an alliance and love it, they will graciously step aside for the good of the alliance and take on an advisory role to a new leadership. Regardless of what some F-E think, most of NBSI are very friendly with most of F-E (and I'm hoping vice versa). It's the leaders that can't get along and throw temper tantrums in private chatrooms then make crappy decisions which affect thousands of members.
Smith	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:39:00 - [58] Edited by: Smith on 26/01/2006 09:39:24 Originally by: KIAEddZ Having given this topic just a little more thought, I have come to the conclusion, that NBSI and PA see only one way out of the mess they are in. Allow relationships with FE to continue to degrade, to the point where they begin to fire upon FE, then look to 5 for a NAP to help against the "backstabbing" FE. Hopefully some small discussion abou tit now, will get 5 to adamantly say that this will never happen, FE to start to consider their position, and NBSI/PA to not be able to worm their way into any position where surviving this holocaust is possible. xx Personally I'd rather not nap NBSI or PA. PA and NBSI didnt appear to be all that useful to FE and I very much doubt they will be useful to us (5), but after saying that Im not a director and do not get involved in such politiking.
Shittake	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:42:00 - [59] Originally by: Smith Edited by: Smith on 26/01/2006 09:39:24 Originally by: KIAEddZ Having given this topic just a little more thought, I have come to the conclusion, that NBSI and PA see only one way out of the mess they are in. Allow relationships with FE to continue to degrade, to the point where they begin to fire upon FE, then look to 5 for a NAP to help against the "backstabbing" FE. Hopefully some small discussion abou tit now, will get 5 to adamantly say that this will never happen, FE to start to consider their position, and NBSI/PA to not be able to worm their way into any position where surviving this holocaust is possible. xx I could pretty much gurantee that a NAP between 5 and NBSI would never happen, in a million years. Personally I'd rather not nap NBSI or PA. PA and NBSI didnt appear to be all that useful to FE and I very much doubt they will be useful to us (5), but after saying that Im not a director and do not get involved in such politiking.
Darken Two	Posted - 2006.01.26 09:42:00 - [60] Originally by: **take Originally by:** Darken Two Serends question is invalid. FE is a dictatorship run by Persh and a couple others. Thats how its been and thats how it will continue to be. We aren't some pansy democracy where every members opinion counts. If you think so many FE are in love with you, go ahead and recruit them or sumin instead of whining on the forums about how we aint helping you. And btw why are you soooo interrested in how FE is handling affairs in our space? Dont you have stuff to clear up in Venal? We have a dictatorship in NBSI as well. What I see as the difference between the two dictatorships is that our leaders actually takes into account the concerns of the majority of our members prior to making alliance-wide decrees which affect us all. It could almost be called a benevolant dictatorship. The fact that F-E is considerably larger in raw numbers than NBSI makes it harder for leadership to "take the pulse" of their membership to ensure they do not make boneheaded decisions which drive their members away. Rememeber that your dictatorship is only as good as its leadership. Lately, I have heard more questioning of the decision-making process of F-E's leadership from its own members than anyone else. Also remember that people are not stupid and will recognize those leaders who are reluctant but duty-bound, not those who crave power and do or say anythign to keep it. In my mind, the best thing for F-E at this point is for their membership to request a change of leadership. If that leadership truly believes in F-E as an alliance and love it, they will graciously step aside for the good of the alliance and take on an advisory role to a new leadership. Regardless of what some F-E think, most of NBSI are very friendly with most of F-E (and I'm hoping vice versa). It's the leaders that can't get along and throw temper tantrums in private chatrooms then make crappy decisions which affect thousands of members. **take NBSI has lost more member corps than FE. So much for your great benevolent dictatorship. And who the hell are you to determine what FE members should do. NBSI have through this single thread, proved excatly why Persh took the right decision in seperating us from our "allies". And now I understand excatly why G and IRON didnt want to have anything to do with you lot either. Almost all the FE members on this thread have pretty much said what you didnt want to hear. You have made yourselves the laughing stock of the eve community by starting this thread. Yes there are FE memebers asking questions. I am sure we are all really concerned about the noobs in our alliance questioning everything. Most of the critics couldnt run a one man corp let alone an alliance. So I think NBSI should be more concerned about how deep you wanna dig your own grave than the number of FE pilots who are questioning Persh. Ps. For comparison sake, after the war with .5. started, FE has gained members even after our cull, even after we were consistently losing more ships than PA and NBSI. Goes to prove, people stick around in a fun alliance that does stuff and leave boring alliances that whine a lot. Originally by:** Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

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