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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:08:00 -
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In the future I would suggest sticking to gifting plexes and the like. No one (or at least not many) would have batted an eye if you gave Somer 30 plexes. Nex clothes would also work.
Giving out unique ships in a spaceship sandbox....eh......not the best idea. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:12:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:In the future I would suggest sticking to gifting plexes and the like. No one (or at least not many) would have batted an eye if you gave SOMER 30 plexes. and even less if CCP would have just credited each blink employee with a month or two of game time and cut out the middle man.
Yeah, this is an even better idea tbh. I think its possible to reward people without compromising the integrity of the spaceship sandbox. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:28:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:
When we gave out thousands of pirate-skinned rookie frigates to players at PAX East and Gamescom, they initially sold for 1 billion ISK in-game without causing stir. Obviously those were less rare from the get-go and were handed out fairly randomly in the familiar environment of GÇ£go to game show GÇô get swagGÇ¥.
I would point out that the PAX east event covered a broad cross-section of the player base and had a uniform distribution of "swag". The Eve Vegas event favored a particular group of players. Moreover, the event significantly increased traffic to their for-profit site, increasing their revenue both in terms of isk and RL $$$. By using Blink (and thereby contributing Profits to Somer), players perceived that their chance to acquire "swag" increased.
By giving out the eve Vegas prizes through Blink participation, CCP effectively drove a significant amount of traffic to Blink, which seemed to be a case of favoritism. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:38:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Livonia Velorea wrote:Out of game only or vanity trash like:
- A piece of Steve
- Band of Brothers Director Access Key
- Lost reminder to pay sov bill
What is the differents between those items and a IWS?
For starters, you can't undock in a piece of Steve.*
*possibly something I would like to see in the next expansion |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:46:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Chris Winter wrote:
- It was given to a for-profit enterprise. SB is a for-profit website. They make plenty of ISK doing their normal operations.
The "Bring Solo Back" podcast got ISK and ships for doing PvP and talking about it. They made profit. It's hard to draw a line with those community projects. I'll draw some lines for you:
Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
Don't take actions that directly increase the profits of an existing enterprise (e.g. don't tie item giveaways to Blink usage).
Giving out plexes to media people is ok.
Not that hard really. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 19:56:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:
If you say items you can't undock, do you also mean not tradable? Or why does the undocking part matter? And 1B ISK ship has the same value as a 1B monocle, no?
We needed a line in the sand. I provided it. Just that simple.
If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap.
Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.
It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:04:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:l0rd carlos wrote:
If you say items you can't undock, do you also mean not tradable? Or why does the undocking part matter? And 1B ISK ship has the same value as a 1B monocle, no?
We needed a line in the sand. I provided it. Just that simple. If people want to put monocles on their furries, I don't give a crap. If people want special unique ships in a spaceships sandbox, I give a crap. Hence the line in the sand; Don't give out anything that can undock unless it's a part of a CCP organized event.It's up to the community at large if they agree with this position. the market is still part of the sandbox, unless the item is nontransferable the issue persists regardless of whether it can undock or not.
Meh, the market for monocles and thousand dollar jeans is not that large and saturates far more readily. If that wasn't the case, we'd have seen far, far greater development of incarna/WiS by now.
No one would have batted an eye if CCP gave Somer 20 monocles instead of 20 IWS. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:14:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
"as long as it doesn't affect my corner of the sandbox" is a bad justification.
either the rewards should affect the sandbox, or they shouldn't.
nobody massively cared that they got scorpions, the fact that CCP seem to be showering blink with benevolence and half of which was done in secret is what made eyelids bat. mostly the combination, individually i doubt either would have stirred up much interest either.
Favoritism was/is absolutely an issue. When CCP tied the chance of getting a gold magnate or w/e to Blink participation, that is a line that should never have been crossed. Personally, I would like all giveaways (excluding CCP run events like the alliance tournaments) to be limited to plex or subscription time.
But, CCP clearly wants to expand their giveaway program. Fine. I'm providing sample guidelines for that expansion.
"as long as it doesn't affect my corner of the sandbox"
Spaceships are a pretty big corner of the spaceships sandbox. Monocles for furries isn't, otherwise we'd have full fledged WiS by now. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:24:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
and spaceships can be purchased with the isk furries will pay for the monocles. as i said, it either affects the sandbox, or it doesn't.
But by that logic, so does purchasing plex. You can buy titans and fleets with plex, and people have done so in the past. CCP has been giving out plex/subscription time to media people for years.
The fact is, unique ships are an order of magnitude more significant than various clothing items and plex. Giving out, 20 or 30 unique ships while endorsing someone's for-profit business by tying unique handout rewards to patronage of that business?
That's a great deal more significant than a dozen monocles. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.10 20:35:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:
1) plex isn't restricted to who gets it.
2) plex aren't free handouts from ccp.
two very important differences.
2) They are to certain media organizers and community sites, and have been on numerous occasions for quite some time.
Look, we can say "no CCP involvement in helping fan sites," but that would probably end up being a net-negative. These giveaways can have a net-positive effect, when given to the right communities/events.
But the magnitude of the reward should be kept in check. No one would care if Somer got 20 exotic dancers in-game from CCP. Everyone apparently cared when Somer was to get even a single Gold Magnate (enough for CCP to take that one of the table REAL quick).
Clearly, the magnitude of the reward is something that should be kept in check. |
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