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undercover
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:53:00 -
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I am tired of looking for Miner 2s. None seem to turn up on the trade channel when I am on.
However I find that if you are willing to pay in REAL money getting Miner 2s is no problem. Just pop along to "EBAY" and buy them. However I am not wealthy and as I am looking for about 20, this could cost me ś750 (GBP)...
This is ridiculous, and will this happen everytime a new item is introduced, "EBAY" in preference to EVE.
Hope this sorts itself out quickly as I am tired of waiting.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:55:00 -
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Actually I would hope due to the small number of items involved that it will be easy to track down the people violating the EULA and warn/ban them.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:58:00 -
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Whatever you DEVs decide, better not put more Miner II BPs as Easter Egg Hunts...
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:16:00 -
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Ya, this is kind of destroying the FANTASY aspect of the game, for me.. Ya know.... FANTASY, as in not real. Many people try to escape the problems life can bring by playing games but what the hell, lets make Eve no different.
My younger brother plays AO with some of his friends.. One of them has spent over $500 U.S. on Ebay stuff.. LOL
Errr, (thinking...) the reason I'm angry is because Miner II's seem only accessable through Ebay unless you want to wait forever. That's where my frustration is coming from. [sigh] Last time I checked there was no Ebay shop in any of the solar systems I've visited :/
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MyZteRio
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:29:00 -
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Everyone traced as a buyer and or seller should be punished, on 2nd offence be removed without chance of return.
Delete account and any possibility to return.
Furthermore EBAY should also be notified to remove these items, which probably is harder to do.
Anyway virtual must stay virtual or both RL and virtual world will get worse.
Just my humble personal opinion.
MyZteRio
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:32:00 -
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Yep, I checked you can get a batch of five miner twos for real $$ on a popular auciton sight for between $160 and $200.
So... either start actually enforing the Eula or make the damn things more available. If you don't want to make the BPs more comon at least hae the Miners IIs and the CU Vapors drop off rats on a regular basis.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Lutij
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:35:00 -
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Frankly I wouldn't be surprized if those in CCP who made decision of giving away the Miner 2 BP, asnd those in Stain who received it, are in kahoots.
Why not give a BP of such a high demand item to your buddy, and then split the Ebay profits from selling item and ISK.
This whole thing smells.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:36:00 -
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Everyone traced as a buyer and or seller should be punished, on 2nd offence be removed without chance of return.
Delete account and any possibility to return.
Furthermore EBAY should also be notified to remove these items, which probably is harder to do.
Anyway virtual must stay virtual or both RL and virtual world will get worse.
Just my humble personal opinion.
MyZteRio
Actually it is very easy to work with eBay when it comes to things like this. They have a program for owners of intelluctual property can quickly and easily cancel auctions from eBayers suspected of violating their property rights.
It would probably take a few hours of work for someone fromm CCP to get it setup then a few hours per week to maintain it. So far they have chosen NOT to do this and every time I mention this my post gets deleted.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: NGRU Rix on 27/08/2003 13:45:18
Let people buy and sell on Ebay... I think it's great! That way, when they lose these items they can look at their real life wallets and think 'Damn, that Miner II cost be 60 bucks!"
No biggie to me in that respect. Having the good stuff in the game is nice and all that, but jeez, spending real money on an imaginary Mining Laser so you can cut through more imaginary rocks and make imaginary minerals into imaginary money... freakin wackjobs if you ask me.
I mean, some moron spent $610 on a Megathron BP Copy... $610.00 REAL LIKFE MONEY!?!?!?! Let's find him and blow it up!
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:51:00 -
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WHAT!!! You all didn't get your miner II's?
Damn, I almost feel bad about running my 5 free ones on my APOC... hahahahaha
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:54:00 -
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I agree with NGRU Rix, knowing that people paid real money for their items makes it much more pleasant to blow them up...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:58:00 -
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***** WANTED ***** Less carebears and whiners in forum.
Nuf said.
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:04:00 -
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That's always the answer, call people carebears and whiners.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:13:00 -
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lol ccp probably sell on ebay to make up for the lack of customers
that is a joke btw.......
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:17:00 -
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Here is another way to fix it... make them sellable on the Markets or introduce a very small NPC market for the items. Very small, but very expensive. Trade will still happen and people will just sell on the trade channel for a bit less than the purposefully overpriced NPC market. But it can help keep the sales within the game.
Yeah, I know, player driven economy - blah, blah, blah. The players are just driving over to Ebay instead of flying to the nearest system to buy them. That's quite the player driven economy we have here, right?
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Singha Miasong
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:19:00 -
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Only chance we, the population of Eve have of getting a miner-II bp is if we plant out lips firmly on that GM's rump, the same as the original BP copy holder.
Rich get richer via GM assistance....
Anyone else see a problem with GM's that are not on the payrole??(favortism to their buddies...no worry of being fired...no supervision...)
Selling items on ebay..flat out ban the cd-key, delete the account, and remove the bp from the corp that account holder belonged too. Is that unfair to the copr, NO. The corp members know it is happening, and are guilty of conspiring with the offender.
Eve-devs and GM's have to balance the game for playing, instead of working their butts off making more eyecandy.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:56:00 -
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For how many more weeks will the current owners of the miner II blueprints be favored and aided in building their empires?
Convert Stations
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Zeus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:58:19
Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:57:46
No Tech 2 items bp's will appear on the market, I can be sure of that and rightly so. And if poeple dont want to sell you Miner 2's then thats there choice not yours and there is nothing you can do about it so stop crying about it.
If afew people are selling them other places then it doesnt mean they are the ones with bp's. You carebears can be very ignorant sometimes......
You never were supposed to have everything!!!!
want want want want want ......
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: nono on 27/08/2003 15:07:30
Quote:
Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:58:19
Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:57:46
No Tech 2 items bp's will appear on the market, I can be sure of that and rightly so.
I see you have a crystal ball as well.
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Aenedor
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Aenedor on 27/08/2003 15:37:02
LOL, if you want a miner 2 you buy it on the trade channel.
Just be prepared to pay a price that reflects it's rarity.
I paid 5 mill for mine. It is mounted on my Iteron V. It is great.
I am not sure that more bp's is the answer, then we would have people whining about so-and-so selling miners 2 TOO CHEAPLY.
EDIT: The price-police are putting a lot of sellers off. Try a WTS and offer 2.5 - 5 mill and see how you get on.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:36:00 -
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What exactly is a carebear o' mentally challenged? 
Convert Stations
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Toshiro Hasegawa
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:49:00 -
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I am against the use of Ebay to move people forward in eve.
I am against the misuse of power by any game official. (GM's should not have friends.. they should be kept in a box and brought out only for work ;) )
I am against the proliferation of Miner IIĘs ū I donĘt get why people find it weird that there should be items in game that most people will not ever own. I mean the base reason something is valued is due to its scarcity. If everyone had a Miner II then who would give a dam about them, wed all be crying for Miner IIIĘs . At some point we will have to accept the fact that item A is so rare that we wont ever see it, accept this fact and get over it.
At least thats what i think.
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Parity
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:11:00 -
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Frankly I wouldn't be surprized if those in CCP who made decision of giving away the Miner 2 BP, asnd those in Stain who received it, are in kahoots.
Why not give a BP of such a high demand item to your buddy, and then split the Ebay profits from selling item and ISK.
This whole thing smells.
CCP didn¦t give it to the stain alliance ..
the stain alliance got it from jovean battleships they shot down in the stain region
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Before this gets locked...
1. CCP will not do anything about Ebay because
A. it's good for business. If a player sell their account then CCP still has a customer(if not then they would loose that accounts' money) If a player sells items they have collected (forget that you are paying for their time not the item) then that gives the game a fun quality. "Hey get this gadget for EVE its just what you need to make playing funner" Have you ever heard of anyone selling a infiltrator kit for MAX2 on ebay, No? thats cause the game sucked and PPL were not even allowed to sell their accounts on EBAY, the game lasted 4 months.
B. As stated earler, While all the items in the game are owned by CCP the time people spend are their own. The only way the CCP could leagally prevent people from selling stuff they earned was if CCP was paying them to play.
Lastly, things will be rare for a while, but once the Devs are no longer being pulled away from adding the content and rest of the skills by the lamers, then you will see an influx of new tech items hit the market. Hopefully the reast of the lamers will soon sell their accounts on EBAY and the Devs can concentrate on adding the skills (reverse) and BPs to the agent missions.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:20:00 -
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CCP didn¦t give it to the stain alliance ..
the stain alliance got it from jovean battleships they shot down in the stain region
What bugs me is that who else do you expect to get the BP if it's on a ship in the Stain region...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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khbklu
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:29:00 -
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A. People who buy things on ebay are stupid.
B. People who sell things ingame to people on ebay make me laugh.
C. Even if nobody sold miner II's on ebay you would still whine they are to expensive and you STILL wouldn't get one. So may want to just get over it.
D. CCP isn't going to do anything about ebay because they isn't anything to do. They don't condone or combat selling, this has been said numerous times. And FYI the EULA is just so dumb people who lose their money on some fraud ebay sale can't call to them to complain.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:31:00 -
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A. People who buy things on ebay are stupid.
So what about those of us who do not have the time, or inclination, to play long enough to get the item through "normal" means?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:36:00 -
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It's not the rarity or the price that people are objecting to. Hell, pirce the things at 10M isk if you want, demand will dictate pricing.
What people are objecting to is that:
a) the GM's APPEAR to have given preferential treatment to certain customers
b) said people are now using the influence they have with the GM's to make real life money on eBay
If a GM's impartiality can be called into question over something as minor as this, it destroys thier credibility in ALL situations, and that is BAD for business.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:07:00 -
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While although I have never bought anything off of Ebay I would say that it has it's benefits:
1) The customer who doesn't have the play time can "convert" some of his real life time into game time. Which is essentially what they are doing.
2) When things have scarcity they have value. By having a market for scarce items in RL adds to the popularity of the game. Seems odd but it does.
3) Gives new players a chance at stepping into a game like this and able to compete shortly after starting as opposed to starting from scratch and being so far behind the curve they would give up interest.
Now CCP should monitor the situation. Through the cunning use of queries they should see if this is something that is being exploited. ie purposely limiting sales on an item 'in-game' so that a RL profit can be made.
If there is evidence to support this then an RP event could take place wherein the corp could be penalized by being stripped of the BP and/or be penalized in-game monies on a day by day basis if they don't comply keeping the lion-share of sales in-game sort of like what happened to microsoft with their anti-trust suit.
As for GM intervention as was the case in miner II's inception, I simply don't agree with how it was handled in the slightest either. Stain? The caldari are the ones with ties to jove. Ok so he was a rogue, how about old jove empire ie. curse area?
However if GM's are limited to only creating the problems in-game then we as players should take it into our own hands and create a coalition to inflict heavy casualties on stain alliance members until such times as they change their order of business.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kel 'dra on 27/08/2003 17:21:33
I just thought I would respond to this for a few reasons.
1. Our waiting list will reopen on monday and if you wish to be placed on it we sell for 2.5 mil each and we limit to 10 per person Check out our rules page [Here] And the reason for our limit we are trying to avoid others that would buy a bunch of miners and then resell them for a higher price because they know miners want them now.
2. We paid a large sum of isk to obtain these bp's so we could drop the price down to a level that miners could afford better. No matter what the mineral cost is for the item we are charging a fair price for the item considering what used to be paid for the CU vapors, which are now a lower item then these and some are still paying up to 1.5 mil for Cu's.
Thank you for your time.
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