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undercover
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:53:00 -
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I am tired of looking for Miner 2s. None seem to turn up on the trade channel when I am on.
However I find that if you are willing to pay in REAL money getting Miner 2s is no problem. Just pop along to "EBAY" and buy them. However I am not wealthy and as I am looking for about 20, this could cost me ś750 (GBP)...
This is ridiculous, and will this happen everytime a new item is introduced, "EBAY" in preference to EVE.
Hope this sorts itself out quickly as I am tired of waiting.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:55:00 -
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Actually I would hope due to the small number of items involved that it will be easy to track down the people violating the EULA and warn/ban them.
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SISQO
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Posted - 2003.08.27 12:58:00 -
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Whatever you DEVs decide, better not put more Miner II BPs as Easter Egg Hunts...
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:16:00 -
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Ya, this is kind of destroying the FANTASY aspect of the game, for me.. Ya know.... FANTASY, as in not real. Many people try to escape the problems life can bring by playing games but what the hell, lets make Eve no different.
My younger brother plays AO with some of his friends.. One of them has spent over $500 U.S. on Ebay stuff.. LOL
Errr, (thinking...) the reason I'm angry is because Miner II's seem only accessable through Ebay unless you want to wait forever. That's where my frustration is coming from. [sigh] Last time I checked there was no Ebay shop in any of the solar systems I've visited :/
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MyZteRio
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:29:00 -
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Everyone traced as a buyer and or seller should be punished, on 2nd offence be removed without chance of return.
Delete account and any possibility to return.
Furthermore EBAY should also be notified to remove these items, which probably is harder to do.
Anyway virtual must stay virtual or both RL and virtual world will get worse.
Just my humble personal opinion.
MyZteRio
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:32:00 -
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Yep, I checked you can get a batch of five miner twos for real $$ on a popular auciton sight for between $160 and $200.
So... either start actually enforing the Eula or make the damn things more available. If you don't want to make the BPs more comon at least hae the Miners IIs and the CU Vapors drop off rats on a regular basis.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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Lutij
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:35:00 -
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Frankly I wouldn't be surprized if those in CCP who made decision of giving away the Miner 2 BP, asnd those in Stain who received it, are in kahoots.
Why not give a BP of such a high demand item to your buddy, and then split the Ebay profits from selling item and ISK.
This whole thing smells.
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Scragg
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:36:00 -
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Everyone traced as a buyer and or seller should be punished, on 2nd offence be removed without chance of return.
Delete account and any possibility to return.
Furthermore EBAY should also be notified to remove these items, which probably is harder to do.
Anyway virtual must stay virtual or both RL and virtual world will get worse.
Just my humble personal opinion.
MyZteRio
Actually it is very easy to work with eBay when it comes to things like this. They have a program for owners of intelluctual property can quickly and easily cancel auctions from eBayers suspected of violating their property rights.
It would probably take a few hours of work for someone fromm CCP to get it setup then a few hours per week to maintain it. So far they have chosen NOT to do this and every time I mention this my post gets deleted.
Scragg, Tyrell Corporation
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: NGRU Rix on 27/08/2003 13:45:18
Let people buy and sell on Ebay... I think it's great! That way, when they lose these items they can look at their real life wallets and think 'Damn, that Miner II cost be 60 bucks!"
No biggie to me in that respect. Having the good stuff in the game is nice and all that, but jeez, spending real money on an imaginary Mining Laser so you can cut through more imaginary rocks and make imaginary minerals into imaginary money... freakin wackjobs if you ask me.
I mean, some moron spent $610 on a Megathron BP Copy... $610.00 REAL LIKFE MONEY!?!?!?! Let's find him and blow it up!
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:51:00 -
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WHAT!!! You all didn't get your miner II's?
Damn, I almost feel bad about running my 5 free ones on my APOC... hahahahaha
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:54:00 -
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I agree with NGRU Rix, knowing that people paid real money for their items makes it much more pleasant to blow them up...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.27 13:58:00 -
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***** WANTED ***** Less carebears and whiners in forum.
Nuf said.
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:04:00 -
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That's always the answer, call people carebears and whiners.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:13:00 -
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lol ccp probably sell on ebay to make up for the lack of customers
that is a joke btw.......
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NGRU Rix
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:17:00 -
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Here is another way to fix it... make them sellable on the Markets or introduce a very small NPC market for the items. Very small, but very expensive. Trade will still happen and people will just sell on the trade channel for a bit less than the purposefully overpriced NPC market. But it can help keep the sales within the game.
Yeah, I know, player driven economy - blah, blah, blah. The players are just driving over to Ebay instead of flying to the nearest system to buy them. That's quite the player driven economy we have here, right?
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Singha Miasong
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:19:00 -
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Only chance we, the population of Eve have of getting a miner-II bp is if we plant out lips firmly on that GM's rump, the same as the original BP copy holder.
Rich get richer via GM assistance....
Anyone else see a problem with GM's that are not on the payrole??(favortism to their buddies...no worry of being fired...no supervision...)
Selling items on ebay..flat out ban the cd-key, delete the account, and remove the bp from the corp that account holder belonged too. Is that unfair to the copr, NO. The corp members know it is happening, and are guilty of conspiring with the offender.
Eve-devs and GM's have to balance the game for playing, instead of working their butts off making more eyecandy.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:56:00 -
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For how many more weeks will the current owners of the miner II blueprints be favored and aided in building their empires?
Convert Stations
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Zeus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:58:19
Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:57:46
No Tech 2 items bp's will appear on the market, I can be sure of that and rightly so. And if poeple dont want to sell you Miner 2's then thats there choice not yours and there is nothing you can do about it so stop crying about it.
If afew people are selling them other places then it doesnt mean they are the ones with bp's. You carebears can be very ignorant sometimes......
You never were supposed to have everything!!!!
want want want want want ......
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nono
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: nono on 27/08/2003 15:07:30
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Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:58:19
Edited by: Zeus on 27/08/2003 14:57:46
No Tech 2 items bp's will appear on the market, I can be sure of that and rightly so.
I see you have a crystal ball as well.
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Aenedor
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Aenedor on 27/08/2003 15:37:02
LOL, if you want a miner 2 you buy it on the trade channel.
Just be prepared to pay a price that reflects it's rarity.
I paid 5 mill for mine. It is mounted on my Iteron V. It is great.
I am not sure that more bp's is the answer, then we would have people whining about so-and-so selling miners 2 TOO CHEAPLY.
EDIT: The price-police are putting a lot of sellers off. Try a WTS and offer 2.5 - 5 mill and see how you get on.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:36:00 -
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What exactly is a carebear o' mentally challenged? 
Convert Stations
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Toshiro Hasegawa
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Posted - 2003.08.27 15:49:00 -
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I am against the use of Ebay to move people forward in eve.
I am against the misuse of power by any game official. (GM's should not have friends.. they should be kept in a box and brought out only for work ;) )
I am against the proliferation of Miner IIĘs ū I donĘt get why people find it weird that there should be items in game that most people will not ever own. I mean the base reason something is valued is due to its scarcity. If everyone had a Miner II then who would give a dam about them, wed all be crying for Miner IIIĘs . At some point we will have to accept the fact that item A is so rare that we wont ever see it, accept this fact and get over it.
At least thats what i think.
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Parity
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:11:00 -
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Frankly I wouldn't be surprized if those in CCP who made decision of giving away the Miner 2 BP, asnd those in Stain who received it, are in kahoots.
Why not give a BP of such a high demand item to your buddy, and then split the Ebay profits from selling item and ISK.
This whole thing smells.
CCP didn¦t give it to the stain alliance ..
the stain alliance got it from jovean battleships they shot down in the stain region
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Athren Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:16:00 -
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Before this gets locked...
1. CCP will not do anything about Ebay because
A. it's good for business. If a player sell their account then CCP still has a customer(if not then they would loose that accounts' money) If a player sells items they have collected (forget that you are paying for their time not the item) then that gives the game a fun quality. "Hey get this gadget for EVE its just what you need to make playing funner" Have you ever heard of anyone selling a infiltrator kit for MAX2 on ebay, No? thats cause the game sucked and PPL were not even allowed to sell their accounts on EBAY, the game lasted 4 months.
B. As stated earler, While all the items in the game are owned by CCP the time people spend are their own. The only way the CCP could leagally prevent people from selling stuff they earned was if CCP was paying them to play.
Lastly, things will be rare for a while, but once the Devs are no longer being pulled away from adding the content and rest of the skills by the lamers, then you will see an influx of new tech items hit the market. Hopefully the reast of the lamers will soon sell their accounts on EBAY and the Devs can concentrate on adding the skills (reverse) and BPs to the agent missions.
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Master Scy
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:20:00 -
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CCP didn¦t give it to the stain alliance ..
the stain alliance got it from jovean battleships they shot down in the stain region
What bugs me is that who else do you expect to get the BP if it's on a ship in the Stain region...
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You think Marco Polo said
"Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ?
-Indigo Seqi
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khbklu
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:29:00 -
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A. People who buy things on ebay are stupid.
B. People who sell things ingame to people on ebay make me laugh.
C. Even if nobody sold miner II's on ebay you would still whine they are to expensive and you STILL wouldn't get one. So may want to just get over it.
D. CCP isn't going to do anything about ebay because they isn't anything to do. They don't condone or combat selling, this has been said numerous times. And FYI the EULA is just so dumb people who lose their money on some fraud ebay sale can't call to them to complain.
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Alexia Te'Len
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:31:00 -
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A. People who buy things on ebay are stupid.
So what about those of us who do not have the time, or inclination, to play long enough to get the item through "normal" means?
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.08.27 16:36:00 -
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It's not the rarity or the price that people are objecting to. Hell, pirce the things at 10M isk if you want, demand will dictate pricing.
What people are objecting to is that:
a) the GM's APPEAR to have given preferential treatment to certain customers
b) said people are now using the influence they have with the GM's to make real life money on eBay
If a GM's impartiality can be called into question over something as minor as this, it destroys thier credibility in ALL situations, and that is BAD for business.
"The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously."
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:07:00 -
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While although I have never bought anything off of Ebay I would say that it has it's benefits:
1) The customer who doesn't have the play time can "convert" some of his real life time into game time. Which is essentially what they are doing.
2) When things have scarcity they have value. By having a market for scarce items in RL adds to the popularity of the game. Seems odd but it does.
3) Gives new players a chance at stepping into a game like this and able to compete shortly after starting as opposed to starting from scratch and being so far behind the curve they would give up interest.
Now CCP should monitor the situation. Through the cunning use of queries they should see if this is something that is being exploited. ie purposely limiting sales on an item 'in-game' so that a RL profit can be made.
If there is evidence to support this then an RP event could take place wherein the corp could be penalized by being stripped of the BP and/or be penalized in-game monies on a day by day basis if they don't comply keeping the lion-share of sales in-game sort of like what happened to microsoft with their anti-trust suit.
As for GM intervention as was the case in miner II's inception, I simply don't agree with how it was handled in the slightest either. Stain? The caldari are the ones with ties to jove. Ok so he was a rogue, how about old jove empire ie. curse area?
However if GM's are limited to only creating the problems in-game then we as players should take it into our own hands and create a coalition to inflict heavy casualties on stain alliance members until such times as they change their order of business.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.27 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Kel 'dra on 27/08/2003 17:21:33
I just thought I would respond to this for a few reasons.
1. Our waiting list will reopen on monday and if you wish to be placed on it we sell for 2.5 mil each and we limit to 10 per person Check out our rules page [Here] And the reason for our limit we are trying to avoid others that would buy a bunch of miners and then resell them for a higher price because they know miners want them now.
2. We paid a large sum of isk to obtain these bp's so we could drop the price down to a level that miners could afford better. No matter what the mineral cost is for the item we are charging a fair price for the item considering what used to be paid for the CU vapors, which are now a lower item then these and some are still paying up to 1.5 mil for Cu's.
Thank you for your time.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.27 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 27/08/2003 18:50:21
Quote:
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CCP didn¦t give it to the stain alliance ..
the stain alliance got it from jovean battleships they shot down in the stain region
What bugs me is that who else do you expect to get the BP if it's on a ship in the Stain region...
We (MASS) lost 2 battleships and some cruisers during that event(other SA corps had losses too). I don't know how many of us participated in the event. It was not very many, maybe 15 battleships and some cruisers. And I can tell you that we would have been wherever the jovians went, no matter where. And for those complaining about us being aggresive during that event: That was nothing compared to how I would have reacted if the event had been somewhere else in the galaxy. I saw lots of people complaining about "MASS shooting at everyone". That was simply not true. Some non-SA corps was participating in the event and some of them managed to pick up rewards for that. We're not a pirate corp. We're an honest corp, not attacking anyone who 1. doesn't have a bounty 2. is not part of a corp who has got themself a negative standing with us. But since several enemy corps were present, as well as several cruisers/frigates trying to grab loot from the Jovian ships we destroyed, it's understandable that some innocent were destroyed.
But if the event had been somewhere else, where we would have been in space controlled by someone else, I would say the MASS fleet would have been much bigger and truly shooting at most people.
So you can whine how much you want.
*edit* And if someone in our corp is found selling his miners on e-bay, I guess he would be kicked out from the corp very fast.
Also, adding a quote from a polaris member in another thread: "If by 'give out', you really mean 'award players that destroyed a really nasty Jovian admiral'..."
And nasty they were. You obviously wasn't there to see how outnumbered they were. The only thing that kept the fight going was all the time when a jovian ships were down to like 40% armor, and next second was fully healed(yea I know that's not from a super jovian module), as well as your ship could suddenly blow up without anyone firing at you(and that's not an uber module either)
Oh, and I'm not offically speaking for MASS, I'm just saying my opinion and what I think it would have been like.
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StealthNet
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Posted - 2003.08.27 18:18:00 -
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It would be nice if CCP had a special fund just to buy stuff from ebay and start banning players.
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Captain Black
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Posted - 2003.08.27 19:15:00 -
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O well.. Guess I got a little carried away with this whole Miner II subject. Yes I want a set bad and yes I admit, after thinking about it, I'm whining.. I don't mind accounts being sold and bought on Ebay but rare items really bug me for some reason. I can't speek for the rest of my friends but I think I will wait for the patch next week and see if the situation improves. It just goes to show ya, no matter how many people ***** and scream about mining, it's a HUGE part of this game.. Just look at the demand. Crazy. I really hope more stuff is said about Deep Core Mining tonight. Maybe we can get some more action on the mining front and of course, more info regarding any types of player owned structurs would be awesome.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.08.27 19:48:00 -
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Here is the problem as I see it.
As it stands there is a near monopoly situation within the capitolistic eve economy. This is a bad thing.
As it stands 2.2mil - 20mil profit from each player in eve is being shared amongst a few "lucky" corps or just one, I actually have no idea how many BPs are out there.
If we take the mean profit as 11.1 mil from each Eve player say a conservative estimate of 10,000 we come up with an expected profit near 111,000,000,000. To be split by the current owners of the technology.
Whereas an average corp prizes a BS original the miner II original could easily be said to be worth 100 times (or more) than the current highest valued item in the game.
So why is this a broken concept? Well we have to examine how technology spreads.
1) It is bought.
2) It is discovered through research.
3) Existing products are reverse engineered.
4) Burglary style theft.
5) Mole style theft.
6) Company is sued for anti-trust and technology is made available to other would be mfr.
As it stands 1 and 5 are the ONLY options in Eve. By limiting the spread of technology one can essentially maintain a monopoly through their own control. As it stands many companies sell their technology as much as possible so that they can earn the profit before options 2-6 can be done. In eve there is little to no worry about this happening.
Now we have corps like techell or whatever who ALSO want to be the sole distributors of these units leaving NO room for markup between resource gathering all the way to the end user. Which unfortunately is completely doable in Eve as well.
The solution: Yes it isn't all grey out there, there is hope.
1) BEFORE putting in ANY further tech upgrades put in reverse engineering. The requirements of which should be steep. Not just anyone should be able to do this. It should be hard.
2) Lesser gradients to technology. More levels, less disparity between them. Such like the pirate drops vs. player items, 5-20% gains per level. A very good analogy is the processor market of today. When you go to buy a pentium you have a choice of at least 7 different speeds. With best speed only marginally faster than the second best but twice as expensive. Those who want bleeding edge warez pay the big bucks but someone of moderate income can afford something less but but definitely not only 2/3 the performace as it stands now with miner disparity.
3) For the love of Jesus make the market able to handle ALL items in the game!!! Selling anything of real value via a trade chat channel is bad for a few reasons:
a) Time.
b) Buggy chat windows (compounded with so many participants)
c) Off hours selling is impossible.
4) Advertising, about 80% of sales in the ENTIRE friggin' world is based off advertising. Why should I buy from company X when I could buy from company Y? Well maybe I or someone else is boycotting a certain company, we need to know who we are buying from and we need to be able to advertise warez (other than spamming trade channels).
5) Research, this should have been implemented already. I hate to say it but everytime we get better equipment we have to have an RP event that favors certain persons. In this case it favored stain alliance, next time fountain or venal? Who knows. What happened to actual scientists and engineers? Has everything been invented and only some super race can blow our collective minds with new technology? Sorry I didn't read the part on the Eve time-line where it stated we lost our will to improve processes and technology.
Anyway those who have the miner II technology are somehow granted a free meal ticket that is currently worth more than half the money in print in the entire universe. This a little unbalancing?
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Champ
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Posted - 2003.08.27 20:28:00 -
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This thread sounds like socialistic bs to me... "if i cant have xxx then we gotta stop yyy from having xxx so i can feel happy no one is above me!" and come on..i bought a bunch of miner2s in tradechannel, no problem at all didnt wait or anything and didnt pay that much either..just gotta know how to make deals...and there is no items being sold on ebay.. or you want ccp to start stopping people from giving away items to others ? Casue thats whats beign done... and then the time to aquired that item is payed for... ;)
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Bobith
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Posted - 2003.08.27 20:42:00 -
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I dont want them to make miner 2 bp's common but i would like to see a few more copys in the game would help out the demand alot.
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Kel 'dra
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Posted - 2003.08.27 20:53:00 -
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Quote:
Now we have corps like techell or whatever who ALSO want to be the sole distributors of these units leaving NO room for markup between resource gathering all the way to the end user. Which unfortunately is completely doable in Eve as well.
A Few Points:
1.) We do not want to be the sole distributors.
2.) We bought blueprints so that we could lower the price so that Miners would be able to afford them.
3.) Before we started selling miner II's there was not one selling them for less then 5.5 million each. We lowered the price on these when we could have kept the porfit unreasonable.
4.) We are a ship producing corparation. We do not have the Miner II's becuase we want to******people. We bought them at great cost to us, inorder to help out thoses that are less fortunate. So don't say that all large corps are bad and power (ISK) hungery. We have never offered a service that was not fair to the customer. Since day 1.
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:10:00 -
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Only chance we, the population of Eve have of getting a miner-II bp is if we plant out lips firmly on that GM's rump, the same as the original BP copy holder.
Rich get richer via GM assistance....
Anyone else see a problem with GM's that are not on the payrole??(favortism to their buddies...no worry of being fired...no
supervision...)
Selling items on ebay..flat out ban the cd-key, delete the account, and remove the bp from the corp that account holder belonged too. Is that unfair to the copr, NO. The corp members know it is happening, and are guilty of conspiring with the offender.
Eve-devs and GM's have to balance the game for playing, instead of working their butts off making more eyecandy.
arghh im tired of these threads, the event in which the miner II, was introduced cost oracle 15 stabbers and the Stain Alliance almost as much, they lost battleships, this is a roleplaying game, not a virtual buy and sell game, it was an ROLEPLAYING EVENT, and the story line is just unfolding, be patient, you will get your chance eventually, start playing the game, instead of whining all the time...
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
****Minion Of VOTF****
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Lutij
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:12:00 -
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" 1.) We do not want to be the sole distributors.
2.) We bought blueprints so that we could lower the price so that Miners would be able to afford them. "
LOL. Don't embarass yourself with this BS. This one is very hard for anyone to beleive.
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Zverio
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:15:00 -
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This thread sounds like socialistic bs to me... "
Ever heard of Anti-Trust laws. Or they are too socialistic for you too ?
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:16:00 -
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""And the reason for our limit we are trying to avoid others that would buy a bunch of miners and then resell them for a higher price because they know miners want them now.""
I respect that you guys wanted to bring the price down. That is actually very cool of you.
When I mentioned being the sole distributor I was taking this from your post.
Because all that distributors do is buy in large quantity for discount then move to consumer outlets.
So by your own words you a) do not offer bulk discounts and b) limit sales so that resell is a lower/nonexistant factor.
To whomever mentioned socialism, wrong.
Capitolism thrives on competition. Where is the competition for miner IIs again?
Capitolism = mfr/distributor pushing product into consumers hands. This so they can saturate the market before the technology becomes outdated.
Communism = People on waiting lists for items. Because there is no incentive (competition) to find better mfr methods, increasing distribution points etc...
So what is the eve economy thanks to Jove/GM interaction? It certainly isn't capitolism.
Maybe a new brand called favortism? Elitism?
BTW: I'm not saying techell are bad people or anything, I'm simply stating what IS and why it is broken.
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Doctor F
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:20:00 -
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arghh im tired of these threads, the event in which the miner II, was introduced cost oracle 15 stabbers and the Stain Alliance almost as much, they lost battleships
Hey, want to sell me your Miner II BP for 15 Stabbers ? What the heck, I'll give you a couple Battleships too.
How about that deal ?
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undercover
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: undercover on 27/08/2003 21:27:15
I thought that the Jovians stole the Miner 2 BPs from the new research facility.
Just wondering when that research facility will be in a position to release more Miner 2s or Miner 2 BPs in the community.
As I understand from previous Dev Chat sessions, you WILL need masses of minerals for future items (which would make the mineral requirements of battleships look small) thus I presume you WILL NEED better mining equipment to be able to mine the amount required before you retire...
I have no problem with how Miner 2s got out, but hope it is time the rest of us can get hold of something that was designed jointly by ...(cannot remember at moment) and would be available to the masses.
Correct typo
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Ilyana
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ilyana on 27/08/2003 21:45:55
To all those people going on about the miner 2 BP...ask yourself this question: what would you do when you would get one, nearly nobody else has one, and everyone wants to pay really, really well for a miner 2.
You would try to keep the monopoly (in reality an oligopoly since there are more BPs out there..) as well, and sell them at very very good prices. If you say 'no I wouldn't do that', then you're flat-out lying.
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Posted - 2003.08.27 21:45:00 -
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Don't judge people by your standards.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:00:00 -
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""To all those people going on about the miner 2 BP...ask yourself this question: what would you do when you would get one, nearly nobody else has one, and everyone wants to pay really, really well for a miner 2.
You would try to keep the monopoly as well, and sell them at very very good prices. If you say 'no I wouldn't do that', then you're flat-out lying (not to mention being a numbnut).""
If that were the point you would be right. This is not a finger pointing session at those with the BPs.
This is a plea to allow the Eve community a CHANCE at breaking up the monopoly by adding competition.
Given a working system and your scenario I would:
1) Sell them for as much as I could before the item was reverse engineered.
2) Sell them as fast as I could before the scientists and engineers came up with a better product.
Like I said before the fault doesn't lie with the holders of the BPs, nor do I suggest it does.
The fault in the system lies in the fact that introducing competition simply doesn't exist.
This gives the holders of the BP a multi-billion dollar advantage over everyone else in the game.
Most people did not buy Eve to play advanced bingo. Oh ok the next corp in our multi-billion dollar lotto is blah corp. Let's welcome them into the monopolies club, someone pour them a drink.
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zverio on 27/08/2003 22:06:57
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Edited by: Ilyana on 27/08/2003 21:45:55
To all those people going on about the miner 2 BP...ask yourself this question: what would you do when you would get one, nearly nobody else has one, and everyone wants to pay really, really well for a miner 2.
You would try to keep the monopoly (in reality an oligopoly since there are more BPs out there..) as well, and sell them at very very good prices. If you say 'no I wouldn't do that', then you're flat-out lying.
Thats just it. Its CCP's responsibility not to create these situations.
My 12 bucks a month is as good as the other guy's. So why has he/she been given an opportunity to sell Miner II's on Ebay and not anyone else.
This isn't only an ingame issue.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:11:00 -
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Capitolism thrives on competition. Where is the competition for miner IIs again?
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The competitions are:
1. Who has the power(military or economical) to get a BP.
2. Who has the money/contacts to buy the manufactured items.
All you had to do was either bring a big fleet to Stain or offer someone with a BP a big amount of ISK (or other assets) for it.
Obviously, since you don't even have what is takes to enter competition number 2, you better spend more time playing the game.
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Lutij
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lutij on 27/08/2003 22:20:00
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The fault in the system lies in the fact that introducing competition simply doesn't exist.
Yep. The market system in is inherently flawed.
If newer technologies and market edge and competitive advantage aren't acheived through reasearch, effort and resourses, but through CCP handouts, favoritism and elitism, then its not the market economy, and the market won't work.
Thats what makes a lot of people upset. They feel like they haven't been given fair chance, and those who got those damn BPs didn't get them through their skill or effort, but though some Bull**** handout "event".
And thats right, they are selling those items on Ebay now to other paying CCP customers.
Talk about screweing your customers, CCP.
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:35:00 -
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buuhuu, Mom, the guy next door has something I want too.
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Karen de Winter
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Posted - 2003.08.27 22:39:00 -
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I bet some of your think that buying a lottery ticket entitles you to win each week too.
While you rub your hands together and plot how you'd break the monopoly of many (since there's more than 1 blueprint out there you know), perhaps you should consider that there's a huge number of possible tech level 2 blueprints out there, and that any one of them you might be able to get without breaking down the idea of having just a little bit of exclusivity.
The whole idea of rock bottom prices on every item in the game is just a the dream of someone that wants to own and make everything in the game without ever trading or making alliances for things. It's a MMOG, get used to working with other people, and other people *perhaps* having something that you don't, because I promise you, the uniformity of no-one ever having anything that's different from the rest of the world makes things just a little bland, boring and removes some of the biggest facets of (player based) gameplay that a large number of you talk about eve lacking.
For once, perhaps you should actually be thankful that you're forced to make a choice between the top item and the second best.
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Edited by: Kel 'dra on 28/08/2003 12:20:08
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" 1.) We do not want to be the sole distributors.
2.) We bought blueprints so that we could lower the price so that Miners would be able to afford them. "
LOL. Don't embarass yourself with this BS. This one is very hard for anyone to beleive.
Yes, I know it is hard to believe that a corparation in this game would do something like that. But don't take it from me, just ask around. We are not the type of corp you think we are.
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.28 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Kel 'dra on 28/08/2003 12:20:08
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" 1.) We do not want to be the sole distributors.
2.) We bought blueprints so that we could lower the price so that Miners would be able to afford them. "
LOL. Don't embarass yourself with this BS. This one is very hard for anyone to beleive.
Yes, I know it is hard to believe that a corparation in this game would do something like that. But don't take it from me, just ask around. We are not the type of corp you think we are.
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Actually, anyone in "the known" can figure out why you're doing this, and it's not generosity.
Two words: tritanium shortage
To others: Remember that Techell is one of the largest producers of battleships in the game. They are hoping to get miner IIs into the hands of people mass-mining trit-yielding ore, rather than the elite bistot miners. This will reduce the price of trit, allowing for higher profit margins on their battleships.
Of course, the strategy benefits everyone, both Techell and the people mining minerals.
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Sc0rpion
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Posted - 2003.08.28 14:25:00 -
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This will reduce the price of trit
Lower than 1? 
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BSOD
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Posted - 2003.08.28 19:05:00 -
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This will reduce the price of trit
Lower than 1?
Heheh. Not likely. But it might drop it a little from 1.5+
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Einheriar Ulrich
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Posted - 2003.08.29 00:34:00 -
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arghh im tired of these threads, the event in which the miner II, was introduced cost oracle 15 stabbers and the Stain Alliance almost as much, they lost battleships
Hey, want to sell me your Miner II BP for 15 Stabbers ? What the heck, I'll give you a couple Battleships too.
How about that deal ?
Oracle didnt get any BP's or loot from this event, it wasnt our goal, our goal was to help the joves "read summit OLD DEBT REPAID", it was part of the story line, we didnt get reimbursed for lost items or ships, we roleplayed a good event thats benefit enough for us, start playing the game, dont whine all the time.
So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar.
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