Whatever happens....This is going to fun....

So, Ive been gone. This usually happens after a null group gets curb stomped by someone. Can someone give me the story behind them having to 'go slumming' with us low life's?

So, Ive been gone. This usually happens after a null group gets curb stomped by someone. Can someone give me the story behind them having to 'go slumming' with us low life's?

So, Ive been gone. This usually happens after a null group gets curb stomped by someone. Can someone give me the story behind them having to 'go slumming' with us low life's?

I'm sure that iHUB bashes are gonna be a lot more exciting in the near future.

They'll do what most null sec blocs do when entering FW, they'll arrive all boisterous and strut around like we are all "scrubs" in frigates and destroyers. Then they'll try light a cyno on a gate, then try to warp to a fleet member on gate, then get generally ripped apart at almost every turn by a "scrub".

Then complain bitterly when their huge blob is blue balled.

That's usually what occurs.

I couldn't agree more. In fact, they're aleady chestbeating and strutting over how terrible they are.

This is from Reddit.

Minmatar Militia Person: "Congrats to TEST on joining the worst militia."
TESTie #1: "Did you honestly expect anything different?"
TESTie #2: "We'll be taking the situation from bad to worse then. God help them."

Honestly, I have my doubts on TEST's bold claims and am calling that this is going to be a close and shut case. Calmil "scrubs" have way too much experience with being disorganized and ripping themselves apart. Despite TEST's recent history, they still have nullsec level internal 'organization', something that doesn't really exist in FW outside of Fweddit.

Also, speaking of fweddit...if you thought their local spam was bad...ooh boy. You guys are in for a treat.

Slumming? Haven't you heard? Cal/Gal FW is small gang heaven. After the Fountain war, I'd want a break from nullsec blobmonkey boredom too.

It'll be really really interesting to see how they adapt to FW plexes, and I'm sure that iHUB bashes are gonna be a lot more exciting in the near future.

Believe me - I was kidding about us being low life's. As someone that has been part of an organization that was curb stomped in Fountain and went to low sec to die - I would never never never go back.

My question is, will the Gallente militia be able to adapt to TEST and use the WINMATAR strategy of docking up and logging off? TEST is known for being autistic and not really having a problem with welping t1 fleets, so with cheap FW ships, I doubt that Galmil strategy of PVPing will be very effective for "winning" FW like the Minmatar have.

Well they pretty clearly stated that the reason they join is farming LP, so we'll just see more dualstabbed cloaky TD Condors. Difference being that instead of multiboxed plexing alts, these are mains flown by bads.

My question is, will the Gallente militia be able to adapt to TEST and use the WINMATAR strategy of docking up and logging off? TEST is known for being autistic and not really having a problem with welping t1 fleets, so with cheap FW ships, I doubt that Galmil strategy of PVPing will be very effective for "winning" FW like the Minmatar have.

They are going to get eaten alive (it happens to all 0.0 entities in fw) but the core should become a smart, well isked fast and nasty group of small gang pros. A good base to train more fc's from that have the experienced pilots to rebuild back to a 0.0 entity that's if the high command has the people skills.

TEST should be fine. Their strengths are that they are very well organised.

Now we just need to convince BNI to join Galmil...

Well, their top pvper this month is in high sec killing miners. This is going to present a massive problem to gal mil.

Their heads will explode when I tell them I'm a black, gay, Jewish man.

...if you thought their local spam was bad...ooh boy. You guys are in for a treat.

...The weakness of TEST is that it allows each individual to do whatever they want. Actually that's both a strength and a weakness, it makes them popular as people can just join them then farm isk without ever contributing, but of course it's a weakness that they have so many people not pursuing the alliance goal...

Caldari FW may be "hot", but Gallente is the FW side you marry. Just sayin'.

"Wanted: SLA (Single Large Alliance) for long term relationship. "

I mean, come on fellas, when is a large 0.0 alliance ever going to join Gallente FW?

This 0.0 alliance discrimination is getting to be pretty damn absurd.

Well, their top pvper this month is in high sec killing miners. This is going to present a massive problem to gal mil.

Caldari FW may be "hot", but Gallente is the FW side you marry. Just sayin'. .

So they know how to kill Ventures? Winmatar must be breathing a sigh of relief that TEST didn't join the Amarr.

[...] they still have nullsec level internal 'organization', something that doesn't really exist in FW outside of Fweddit.

I can't help but think Fweddits 'nullsec level internal organization' is a MOTD in their alliance channel:

Shitfit of the week: t1 shield thrashers, because we never learn
Local spam of the week: ANYTHING WITH HASHTAGS, it's ironic and thus really clever #YOLOSWAG

Speaking of failed caldari nullsec FW entities, whatever happened to B2K after they inevitably got curbstomped by the Gallente?

Whats your beef with B2K?

Good pilots, best plants gallente have ever placed in cal mil to create turmoil!

Not better than "The Don".

Whats your beef with B2K?

Good pilots, best plants gallente have ever placed in cal mil to create turmoil!

No, it's their auth services like coalition wide jabber and logistics organization. It doesn't seem like a lot but in the context of FW where no one has any organization at all it sets them apart quite a bit.

Also they have better doctrines than t1 shield thrashers but they're apparently not considered engagable.

You know, if you're a fan of TEST's logistics I'd be more than happy to provide you guys with an uncollateralized jump freighter service that would just run off with all your **** and then blame you guys because I was really busy and you're horrible customers.

Message Tetsuo Tsukaya in game for more details

Not better than "The Don".

B2K caused way more trouble - mostly for beginners to FW who base in High Sec, but overall it was a way bigger shitfight.

Considering everybody except like Templis and OMG based in Ichoriya it was a lot of trouble. They killed stupid amounts of ships.

Nice title Pinky, and gfs.

because half of the fleet shooting the primary wasn't in optimal or still burning into range and a quarter of the fleet was ignoring the primary all together and doing their own thing.

Gfs for sure. I'm just happy you guys were willing to fight despite initial claims of "too much logi". It's amazing what a little Ewar does with solid damage application. The funny thing with logi is that a lot of times your opponent claims that you won because of the EFT numbers that your logi should theoretically able to rep, when they don't know that throughout most of the fight half your logi was either jammed, damped, or neuted and the real reason they couldn't break reps was because half of the fleet shooting the primary wasn't in optimal or still burning into range and everyone in the fleet was ignoring the primary all together and doing their own thing.

During that war - A filthy traitor (much like yourself) ...

I left CalMil/Templis because fights were *relatively* impossible and frustrating to find. Much more fulfilling experience in JUSTK/GalMil.

And now Test is joining CalMil so plenty of fights will be happening.

You left Calmil to join JustK to FIND fights?

Guys, its no secret that the Galmil guys WAY outnumber the calmil'ers.

This thread is so full of what ifs and ifs. Now that TEST is in, lets see what happens. But just to continue the thread of endless possibilities:

What if Test don't fracture?
What if Test can provide a backbone for larger operational doctrines?
What if they can bring their weight of overall numbers to a system near you?
What if a majority of Calmil fractionalism can be put on hold?

Then the lillypad kingdoms will catch on fire, and tier dominance will burn away. If nothing else well all have more even good fights.
I'm selfish tho, I'd like to see a different status quo in the longest war.

Roamed to the gal/cal fw area yesterday around 21:00 ,, visted all the known spots for fights, but found no 10+ gangs to fight or a group that would form if we stayed. No signs of TEST or any other big fw group either. All I saw was gallente plexing systems up & pretending to be afk and caldari scrubs running around without fc's

Maybe this is usual during 21:00evetime or I picked the wrong day.... buttt geez that fw zone is boring on wednesday.

TEST should be fine. Their strengths are that they are very well organised. All of the advice on how to run sites will be made available in newbie-friendly format internally and the small fleet nature will quite suit TEST's current style. Plus they have ex-FW corp Rubella Solaris.

The weakness of TEST is that it allows each individual to do whatever they want. Actually that's both a strength and a weakness, it makes them popular as people can just join them then farm isk without ever contributing, but of course it's a weakness that they have so many people not pursuing the alliance goal.

I hope that people in TEST rally round and support the FW campaign rather than mooching off to do their own thing. The guy blowing up Hulks isn't really helping his alliance especially if they have to fight out-numbered and out-classed. It's good that the new alliance leader, SkierX, is also the campaign commander. Should increase buy-in.

The clueless Rifter pilot is a very out-of-date meme by the way. Over half of TEST members have over 50 million skill points.

This is just not true. The non russian part of OMG can field 15-20 people, the russian part can field 25-35(+). Talon and friends seems to be able to field upwards of 40(+). God knows about the other corps and alliances but this alone is already enough ACTIVE pilots to far far exceed the activity levels of the combined gallente militia in all timezones.

Gallente seem to outnumber caldari since all corps tend to fly together to achieve larger goals.

Fact is that if caldari did the same, the impression that gallente has more active pilots would be as much a running joke as the broken caldari militia.

The issue with calmil at current is that if we fight someone such as qcats.. 15 more pilots show up in system. We cant match those numbers, simply put.

TEST may be able to help even the numbers, and thats my hope.

Well guys, I am checking the test killboard on a regular basis.

I have as yet to see their front page at less than 95% red (losses)
They are seriously getting a spanking numbers or not.

Yes . . numbers . . oh look http://facwarstats.appspot.com/ and http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/State_Protectorate v. http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/Federal_Defense_Union.

By whatever measure Calmil has always outnumbered Galmil by a not insignificant amount. The too often heard caldari whine of being blobbed is tired, old, and simply untrue. Every entity in this game seeks to engage with advantageous numbers. I certainly never have been blobbed by caldari militia So really what you should be complaining about is the multitude of worthless lp leeches with stabbed and cloaking merlins that populate your militia.

Caldari may have more pilots but the combat component as a percentage of the total is low. For example: Caldari has 100 pilots but only 13 participate in combat; compared to Gallente that have 65 but field 40 pilots.

Gallente seem to field substantially more combat pilots than Caldari are capable of deploying. As far as I can remember. It's been that way since late 2010, early 2011.

NOT TO MENTION strange things like corporations in Cal factional warfare that literally never go to low security space at all (why are you in factional warfare?). Also I know there's a lot of NCDOT, PL, and NULLI isk farmers in Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari militia. Seems near 30% of the pilots in these entities have alts in factional warfare (very common).

The Caldari corps and pilots are also incredibly sheltered and isolated. Very hard for a pilot in Templis to join a fleet that's being FC'd by Black Talon. In Gal Mil, it's incredibly easy. I'm sure the numbers are relatively equal, but the ego of the CalMil corps that don't draw from GenMil or from fellow CalMil alliances is astonishing.

NOT TO MENTION strange things like corporations in Cal factional warfare that literally never go to low security space at all (why are you in factional warfare?). Also I know there's a lot of NCDOT, PL, and NULLI isk farmers in Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari militia. Seems near 30% of the pilots in these entities have alts in factional warfare (very common).

Caldari may have more pilots but the combat component as a percentage of the total is low. For example: Caldari has 100 pilots but only 13 participate in combat; compared to Gallente that have 65 but field 40 pilots.

Gallente seem to field substantially more combat pilots than Caldari are capable of deploying. As far as I can remember. It's been that way since late 2010, early 2011.

NOT TO MENTION strange things like corporations in Cal factional warfare that literally never go to low security space at all (why are you in factional warfare?). Also I know there's a lot of NCDOT, PL, and NULLI isk farmers in Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari militia. Seems near 30% of the pilots in these entities have alts in factional warfare (very common).

Not correct at all, observed fleet numbers over the last week or 2 have shown the same or more numbers for caldari. Even before TEST joined. Unless you are suggesting that most of the members in these fleets are just optimistic salvaging alts?

Wanted: Large Null Sec Corp to set up alts to farm for Gallente. Our Navy Domis are just as good looking as their Navy Ravens. We're not fat, our ships just have big bones!

Hi yes hello.

Thank you for the warm welcome to FW. I hope you will all be pleased at our daily sacrifices of T1 frigs to the Navy Comet menace. The sacrifices will continue until the Wreck God is satiated.

Never spoke with anyone or knew anyone who had an alt in Gallente militia from those alliances but I'm sure there are; not as much as Amarr, Caldari and Minmatar...

Implying we are relevant enough for someone to give a ****

So hows the whole taking Essence thing going froggies?

i already feel pity for the average Test Member, so much i let a pod go yesterday night i had already scrammed....

Now you are just instilling poor practices among the ranks. How can we expect line members to learn if they face soft hearted pirates who cannot seal the deal? Our whole Pavlovian training regimen will be brought down around our ears from acts of misguided kindness such as this!

Now you are just instilling poor practices among the ranks. How can we expect line members to learn if they face soft hearted pirates....

JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.

One of the first lessons a TEST newbro learns is how to properly self destruct in order to avoid such situations. Oh, and self destruct games on the titan.

Honestly though, step up your game, galmil. You're losing way too many systems to us terrible, terrible TESTies. So many, in fact, that we're advancing towards T2. We must've done something wrong... Oh, and your spam? Even the freaking Russians in Aridia had better local spam. And that was cyrrilik.

You seem a little upset?

Also, please do hurry with all the structure grinding and other PvE. Im growing impatient waiting for my stacks of faction items and ships to start increasing in value!

Nenna by christmas

Seriously though, you guys can't spam local. I feel like that's the reason you're losing

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Caldari may have more pilots but the combat component as a percentage of the total is low. For example: Caldari has 100 pilots but only 13 participate in combat; compared to Gallente that have 65 but field 40 pilots.

Gallente seem to field substantially more combat pilots than Caldari are capable of deploying. As far as I can remember. It's been that way since late 2010, early 2011.

NOT TO MENTION strange things like corporations in Cal factional warfare that literally never go to low security space at all (why are you in factional warfare?). Also I know there's a lot of NCDOT, PL, and NULLI isk farmers in Amarr, Minmatar and Caldari militia. Seems near 30% of the pilots in these entities have alts in factional warfare (very common).

There is a difference between not being familiar with low sec mechanics and being borderline mentally ********.

-When you warp in to their plex they very often just lay down and die.
-They manage to lose their ships to fits that they should hard-counter.
-They drift around in or outside of plexes for no apparent reason and when you burn for them they seem so surprised that they, again, just lay down and die.
-When in gangs they have a tendency to feed you their ships one by one rather than warp in as a group and actually fight.
-They seem at all times totally disorganized. I've seen people in my corp warp into whole gangs of them and come out alive with like 7-10 kills.
-They seem to have no way of distributing intel. You can camp gates that are vital to them for hours, be uncontested and continue to getting kills the entire time.

These and other things will get you killed in nullsec as well. They show that these pilots know very little about the game in general and have no PvP reflexes to speak of. I understand some of these guys are new to EVE and in that case a lot of these things can be forgiven and simply attributed to the fact that you don't learn EVE PvP over night. But there are loads that should know better.

I feel strongly that leading corporations in the militia are at least partially responsible for shaping that militia.

-Don't accept the farmers. You cannot purge those farming alts from your militia, but at least you'll show the new guys that they are not the norm, but rather the despised exception. You'll show them that that is not who they want to be in EVE.
-Have some standards in your recruiting. I see State Protectorate guys who spend months cloaking in plexes end up in core corporations and continuing to do the same in there. Why do you recruit these people?
-Educate your militia. Spend some time answering the questions that pop up in militia chat (and definitely in fleets). Use those answers to steer these new guys to become the active combat pilots that you want and need rather than uninvolved solo plexers.
It's OK for people to be new and clueless. Teach them and they will learn so much faster than when you ignore them and leave them to their own devices.

And I think you listen to too much Justified Chaos internal and external propa-blather

Most farmers create their own private corporations for such activities or just keep their alts in regular militia. Still, most players in factional warfare farm or have alts that do so.

Anyway, when it comes to actually having experience managing a successful corporation I wouldn't take advice from most factional warfare corporation. Most haven't been tested and have had the training wheels of factional warfare and codependents on other militia fleet commanders or organized fleets.

The day that your corporation leaves factional warfare and goes to Molden Heath and survives and thrives there for 6 month or a year. Then your views might have some weight behind it. Otherwise, no...

Otherwise, stop congratulating yourselves for defeating handicaps.

You see, there are a couple of problems we're facing right now that Marc has sort of explained already.

What are these PvP reflexes you're speaking of? Our pilots are used to flying big, slow battleships and battlecruisers. The only responsibility they have had in fleets so far is listening to the FC, locking up the primary and pressing F1. We are facing people who've done small gang pvp for years, know their fits and their systems in and out and who operate in highly efficient small fleets. We've become slightly better during curse, but apparently not good enough for the leetest of the leet pvpers of eve.

Disorganization? Knowing little about the game? Missing PvP reflexes? That's the things we're famous for.

We have an intel channel. We've been here for less than a week and all these weird system names still make my head spin - give our members time to learn the region map.

In general, give us time. We have lots of confused newbros who are sitting in their t1 fit slasher in a novice plex when suddenly a 5 year old player comes in and decides to volley them off with his navy slicer, we are trying to clean out the constellation and pick a staging system. We will push, we will get better at the game, whether we or you want it or not, and we will push the frogs out of Nenna. But don't expect us to do that within the first week.

About ladistier, since it's only being defended for roleplaying reasons I don't see us making a move there. Oh, and shoutout to calmil, you guys are generally really cool dudes. (TEST is recruiting)

You are right. Gallente Millitia corporations are heavily codependent. There are a lot of corps that are small and/or individually weak. However I see this codependency as a strength rather than a weakness. It means that there is no single point failure. There is no FC that has to do it all. There is no corporation or alliance on which everything depends. Pilots are accepted as viable and valuable fleet members in fleets that are run by FCs out of their corporation.

The day that your corporation leaves factional warfare and goes to Molden Heath and survives and thrives there for 6 month or a year. Then your views might have some weight behind it. Otherwise, no...

In general, give us time. We have lots of confused newbros who are sitting in their t1 fit slasher in a novice plex when suddenly a 5 year old player comes in and decides to volley them off with his navy slicer, we are trying to clean out the constellation and pick a staging system. We will push, we will get better at the game, whether we or you want it or not, and we will push the frogs out of Nenna. But don't expect us to do that within the first week.

Nenna by christmas

Seriously though, you guys can't spam local. I feel like that's the reason you're losing

I was thinking of moving our corp out to Solitude where all the pro-pvp alliances in Eve live.

On a serious note: Sorry man, we're all pvp addicts and there's too much of it where we live right now.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Molden_Heath#kills24 (Dead)

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Caldari_VS_Gallente#kills24 (Living - more kills in a single system (several single systems) than in all of Molden Heath)

I'm calling bullshit whenever you're corporations members espouse their corporations GREAT LEADERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT on the forums. Those who are not ******** know the minute your corporation goes to another region outside of factional warfare. 80% of your members would leave.

I hope they'd leave, because I'd be right there with them forming a new Gallente FW corp. You seem to miss some big picture stuff with your rants. Just sayin'

Props for this, shows that you're aware of what you're up against. I know this is totally against the TEST culture, but having a bit of humility and not spamming crap ascii art in local will probably get you a lot further with the FW militia folks. You're not flying against The Mittani here, you're flying against folks who are competent small gang pilots and have been doing this for a while.

If we're to believe what members of Justified Chaos state almost every week on the forums. Then it's "success" is derived from leadership, management, logistics and organization. However, I don't agree. Mainly because the Gallente militia was doing well long before Justified Chaos WAS EVEN CREATED.

Their answer was to focus on system control mechanics while they were being wiped out on the combat side. Why would you give up on what should be the ultimate goal of any pvp entity?

I just felt obliged to state that Justified Chaos's core leadership has a much longer history than just their corporation's lifespan, and X G has been a Gallente militia patriot through thick and thin, whether the Gallente were winning or losing. (For example, Juan Rayo was the founder of QCATS, and X G has been with us since our Villore days before he split off).

Who is being wiped out on the combat side??????


Caldari have less on field - Caldari kill more consistently.



Test will get better - They just need discipline.
Once they 'get it' -The Gallente have no chance.

If we're to believe what members of Justified Chaos state almost every week on the forums. Then it's "success" is derived from leadership, management, logistics and organization. However, I don't agree. Mainly because the Gallente militia was doing well long before Justified Chaos WAS EVEN CREATED.

Also, when where the gals ever losing in terms of pvp?

Hey we just live off the backs of our friends - which is what we've been saying in this entire thread. Your alliance, and several other Caldari alliances, didn't - and now you're not in FW (after you were kicked out of your system).

gf o/

The real question is this - if the Gallente militia is truly codependent, where is the galmil erotica?

All Gallente keep a laminated picture of Deen in their pockets for the lonely times.

All Gallente keep a laminated picture of Deen in their pockets for the lonely times.

I can confirm that spamming ascii art is the true path to autism. Giving up our most potent cultural tool would be the same as acknowledging ....blah.

All weekend in Ladister?

So many words, when things are simple.

FW is still a broken mechanic and as such makes some things constant, ergo:

- Squids will reach tier 3/4, with test tier 5 is not unlikely. Its the way pendulum swings atm and its the natural course of things with current mechanics. Funny thing is - Test will take credit for this success even tho they will have nothing or very little to do with it in reality.

- Test will go through pretty much the same process all the other nullsec entities joining fw did - further bleeding of members, red killboards. Once they realize how bad they are at solo/small gang, they will do the only thing they know - blob all the time and bore us to death with their idiotic local spam. Some of their members will become really good soloers/small gang fighters and will leave for greener pastures. I doubt Test will brake up due to losses since as all the non dreddit corps that really care about 'success' (however you define it) are likely already out of test anyway.

- Consequently your average test member won't earn as much as he was promised initially nor will he learn about small scale pvp as much as he could if he was to join 'normal' fw corps, hence test won't fully succeed on any of their stated goals. Naturally, they will never admit this.

- They will make at least one headline on TMC with a corp theft of fw stuff and/or hauler derp/gank.

- Pendulum will continue to swing until CCP decides to take another look at fw, so for quite a while.

Test will adapt and get better - as is true of anyone that comes to FW.

But win or lose the war zone, Test is going to bleed members. People are going to love this pvp and some of their best will stay.

No matter. This is some of the most constant and fun fighting I have seen. I'm personally glad they are here.

Thanks for the laugh. Let's analyze your post.

Caldari was stuck on T1 for a while, TEST joins, calmil gains 10% in a week. Totally unrelated though, that's just "the pendulum".

Mate, our killboard is always red. And we know that we're bad at small gang stuff. We have blobbed since our beginnings. We're not bleeding, we are in fact in the process of welcoming a certain calmil corps to DAWWW, our recruitment alliance. Seriously, you don't know anything about TEST.

We didn't promise anything. Our members know how much they can make, but it's up to them to do plexes and farm LP.

We make headlines on TMC about once a week, seems like you're not paying attention.

The pendulum again. What are you even talking about? Space magic?

To summarize, apart from hearing the "TEST is bad wololo" over and over again you actually don't know anything about us and our culture. Stop trying to compare us to your standard tryhard elite peeveepee corps, we are more like an autistic zombie hobo crashing other people's parties. Bad at this game, completely okay with welping and in for the fun.

Frecking forums ate my post.

Anyway, my points were:

- I care about your 'culture' as much as you care about mine, basically - I don't give a damn. Whatever helps you cope with your losses is fine by me. Keep in mind though - there's a difference at stating "we're bad" but actually being quite successful (e.g. Goons) and just plain being bad.

- You're using FW to draw some new blood. Good. Doesn't change what I said.

- Test's influence on sov mechanics is limited and will continue to be such. Sov is mainly dictated by farming alts, what you guys did help with is busting iHubs. Had you joined FW at the time when Minnie war zone was highly in Minnie hands, you wouldn't make any significant gains. From that perspective, your timing was perfect.

- Pendulum is a metaphor for FW mechanics atm. If you want to know what's wrong with them (I'm sure you don't) search the forums for explanations.

Dont judge TEST on their first weeks performance. Nobody here came to FW knowing all they do now. Lets look at the facts here. They may not be all that good at small gang PVP yet, but you cannot match their numbers if they come in force.

TACTICALLY: You will beat them. Corps like Qcats and JUSTK are filled with people who know FW and how to pilot... what to bring vs what.. ect. TEST will take a bit to learn.

STRATEGICALLY: There is no way anyone is going to stop them busting an ihub. If a system goes vulnerable, and they decide to drop in on it, good luck. Unless you can muster a force to pop cap ships.

If they dedicate themselves to winning in FW, I am pretty sure they will do it. As soon as they learn how to small gang more effectively, all those comments about the red killboard will be in vein.

STRATEGICALLY: There is no way anyone is going to stop them busting an ihub. If a system goes vulnerable, and they decide to drop in on it, good luck. Unless you can muster a force to pop cap ships.

it isn't that we don't think test can impact the warzone control, it is that we don't care about warzone control most of the time.

Ah the old ~~ DIDN'T WANT THAT WARZONE ANYWAY ~~ line

Ah the old ~~ DIDN'T WANT THAT WARZONE ANYWAY ~~ line

You overestimate how hard it is to kill TEST capitals. Not that we'd bother dropping caps on an ihub that has 1/10th of the HP as a nullsec sov structure.

But you're just as ridiculous as that guy defending ladistier because that's where the gallente president lives or something.

Our goal isn't to beat galmil, get to 100% or prove the rest of eve that we have massive menparts, it's to make ISK and get better at eve.

I don't care about your space honor, your killboard, about your blingfits, your boosting alts and your superior strategy, I'll just plex in my triple stabbed merlin and bash IHUBs. If you want to have some kind of a glorious narrative in which you'll come back from the dead after the zombie hordes of TEST took over your ancestor's homelands - sure, go for it. But you're just as ridiculous as that guy defending ladistier because that's where the gallente president lives or something.

I think we just moved into tier 2, can someone explain what that means?

Also, I haven't seen us compared to BOB in ages! You're going to make me blush!

JUSTK is considering a "don't goo the TESTies" policy, mainly because we love the idea of making them fly their pods 20+ jumps back to their staging systems.

that is why pods come with Self Destruct.

Ouch, that gets expensive to pod yourself when in most cases in FW your pod costs more than the ship+T2 fittings even with 50% reduction and without implants.

TEST will fail at having any meaningful impact on the warzone and will just add their names to a long list of failed groups trying their hand at FW like Fweddit and nullsec groups like B2K that have all gotten dunked by the self-proclaimed best small gang pvpers of FW.

I predict it will only be a few months before TEST is back in nullsec and the Gallente will be able to claim victory.

The reddit coalition, make it happen

We only need BNI to agree

looking at Ladistier (was taken over something around 22:00 yesterday - 02:00 today) gals had success.

Unless you see P(layer) v(ersus) P(layer) another way

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I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p

I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.

I've been trying to read this whole thread but people are posting faster than I care to read so I'm just going to make my comment. When Nulli Secunda joined the Amarr side of FW last year, they said they would dominate, and would get T5 in 2 weeks, and minmatar militia would hide in our holes while they did it.

The reality of it was, 3 out of every 4 nulli ship that undocked was destroyed, it took them FIVE weeks instead of two to reach T4, not T5 they never got close, but T4, and they left with their anus widened and there foot in their mouth. I predict the same will happen on the Gal front with TEST. If you galmil people need help me know =p

I just want add that more people should blind warp to plexes, especially if solo.

Thank you. That is all.

psh. best way to get fights.

You seem to be missing the point

We are not in this to get to T5 and curbstomp people. We are in this for fun and ISK. Yes. Not the dominance, the manliness or the fights. FUN and ISK.

I can't believe how tryhard some of you duders are

You seem to be missing the point

We are not in this to get to T5 and curbstomp people. We are in this for fun and ISK. Yes. Not the dominance, the manliness or the fights. FUN and ISK.

I can't believe how tryhard some of you duders are

You seem to be missing the point

We are not in this to get to T5 and curbstomp people. We are in this for fun and ISK. Yes. Not the dominance, the manliness or the fights. FUN and ISK.

I can't believe how tryhard some of you duders are

People who talk about "Nenna by Christmas", how many systems they've flipped, and how far CalMil Tier control has advanced since TEST joined aren't the kind of folks only in it for fun and ISK. People in TEST talking about how you're biding your time, studying our fleet comps, preparing to move to better staging systems... not only in it for isk and fun.

You're a great forum troll, I'll give you that. But if you think we buy the "fun and ISK" spiel you're wrong. Unless you're spouting it now to cover TEST's inevitable failure as "didn't want that warzone control and Tier 4/5 anyway."

This is the biggest load of bullshit I have read in this ****** thread so far. In one breath you dont care about killboards or kills or lulz you are hear to make isk and blah blah blah. In the post above you are not in it for the isk your in it for the FUN YAY!! So what is it? What you are here for changes with whatever the last poster commented.

I assume ZheoTheFirst and ZheoTheSecond have biomassed after your alliances fail campaigns of the past. Looking forward to welcoming ZheoTheFourth soon ...

While we really are in it for the fun and the money, it doesn't hurt to have actual strategies, does it?

Yes it does. Stop strategizing or risk watching your alliance implode.

Are people posting seriously in this thread? That just isn't kosher.

Also, can someone rate my Leet FW PVP fit? I've been running it for a night now, and it tends to do well but I think it can be improved.

http://i.imgur.com/8oNXL9M.png

Are people posting seriously in this thread? That just isn't kosher.

Also, can someone rate my Leet FW PVP fit? I've been running it for a night now, and it tends to do well but I think it can be improved.

http://i.imgur.com/8oNXL9M.png

there is a saying in cycle racing:

"let your legs do the talking"

it means that if you wish to make a statement, you should do it with actions, not words. sound advice for both sides here.

The day TEST starts taking advice from outsiders is the day the universe dies the heat death - just to let you know. This has both helped us and ended badly for us in the past, but I don't see us changing anytime soon.