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EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:40:00 - [1] I go to 0.0 space and try to npc and I get kiled by pirates, 3 times in a row 3 seperate days. I give up on 0.0 space and try my agent mission. I try to get to alachene where my agent is and its 28+ jumps through "safe" space" This new highway system ccp devs make is a bunch of garbage. If I want to go under 15 jumps to get to the agent I must go through over 4 unsafe systems of .3 - .4 Sentries are noe able to be tanked by almost any bs with ease while pirate snipe us. I with my last bit of isk got a caracal and tried to get to my agent. The first .4 system I was sniped and killed. My pod was insta popped also. It seems every single 0.0 - .4 system has pirates in in at the moment, More thna there ever was. this is getting out of hand for people that need to travel but cant afford to pvp. If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers.
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:43:00 - [2] whats wrong with jumping the 28 jumps ?... It's your choice to go into .4 and lower not CCP's. ================================================== This site reminds me why I hate forums so much. 90% sig pictures, 10% content.
Zavernus Hamarabi	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:43:00 - [3] Not to detract from the overall tone of this particular thread. But havent you 'left' eve because it was teh sux00r, then came back to delcare again its sux00r status? Are you doing it again? (if you're not the person im thinking of please forgive me"
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:44:00 - [4] Did you get killed npcing in the belts or getting into 0.0? Cant you manually set a route to your destination? The AP does not always show the "safest" route. It's not perfect.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:45:00 - [5] Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrr Rly? ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:45:00 - [6] The point is its not fair to the people that dont want to pvp and need isk to have to go around the whole freakon map to get somewhere out of almost a definate possibility of getting sniped by a sentry tanking pirate.
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:46:00 - [7] I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. --- God-King of Genitalia
Wrayeth	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:46:00 - [8] If you want 0.0 access, wouldn't it just be better to apply to join an existing 0.0 corp? -Wrayeth
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:47:00 - [9] Risk/Reward. Oh, and can I have your stuff? --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
babylonstew	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:49:00 - [10] well, as you no longer have implants, why not pod jump and on a side note, why is 'your' agent 28 jumps away 2006.01.13 15:44:07<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. MOTD ^^^^^^
asdgdg	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:51:00 - [11] buy a 9k shuttle, set your route on your map using safest possible (ie 28 jumps) hit autopilot, and as soon as you are to the first in a long line of secure systems, go to the mall, play a round of golf, take a nice long dump, etc, etc, etc. If you are just doing a long freakin travel through 0.5 or above space, just go away and do some thing else for a bit. It sounds to me like you are complaining more about the distance than anything else. Suck it up and go, you are the one that got yourself out to where you are now
Shittake	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:51:00 - [12] It was just a month or so ago that you said goodbye to Eve. Now you return and complain about getting ganked in 0.0 and having to jump a bunch of jumps? Please seek the help you desperately need.
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:52:00 - [13] I think this is a serious issue in eve, I have every right to voice my opinions, please before most of you troll my thread, take 10 seconds and "think"
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:53:00 - [14] Yea. 10s... And I still think you need to learn what risk/reward is. I further think you need to go play WoW and stop whining about your pony. --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
el commandante	Posted - 2006.01.26 23:57:00 - [15] ok, after thinking more than 10min. hard to say something without lauphing loud. can i have your stuff? ----------------------------------------- selling MEGA BEAM LASER 2! and no, not the BPO in any case, no!!
Electric Six	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:01:00 - [16] Click here for the solution to your problem.
Allan Robertson	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:01:00 - [17] I kinda agree with EternalDragon, but you must understand two things... 1: 0.0 is very unsafe space. 2: Most (if not all) pirates are scum. My problem with 0.0 is, it's way to vast to many systems are empty and unused 0.0 was made to big in the first place. In the coming year and patches CCP should work toward making 0.0 a more atractive place to go into, weather you are solo or in a corp, I would like to see 0.0 becoming more of a place where trade would take place and where the aliances would want to draw people in. CCP could introduce the ability for aliances to create agents or allow others outside the aliance to work for them insted of gaking them, there would still be the risk but more of an insentive for people to move out of Jita and other places. My alt is in 0.0 as I write this, and all I get from the local controling aliance is "leave now", "just go we dont want you here". I think the time has come to start opening up 0.0 if this might mean making some dramatic changes to the map, then so be it.
Tobiaz	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:01:00 - [18] Originally by: EternalDragon If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers. At least we'll lose the crappy players that can't think for themselves and require CCP's intervention so they can play this game on the 'extremely easy (i'm an idiot)' difficulty setting. RMR hiatus
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 27/01/2006 00:01:53 All i hear is mommy eve's to hard, and i want to make it easier You are inable think your way around issues. Don't want to get killed entering 0.0? Fit a rack of stabs and ffs take 5 seconds to check the map! Don't want to be killed when belt hunting? Warp to a planet when pirate enters local! This isn't a serious issue with eve, it's an issue with you because you obviously couldn't fly a shi.t into a turdpan. There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Hamatitio	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:03:00 - [20] Kill me once, shame on you. Kill me twice, shame on me. Kill me thrice, shame on CCP for making the game have some risk in it? --- I Post on the forums for Fate. Im cool. Fate. Recruitment Thread
Karraka	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:04:00 - [21] LOL. A Pirate wash-out now writing threads on the unbalanced state of pirating. What next ..a thread devoted to how easy it is to be scammed??
Raid	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:08:00 - [22] Take a Shuttle and make insta bookmarks. When traveling in a cruiser use nanofibers to warp out faster. Use a noob in front of you in a frigate to take the fire while your ship decloaks and warps second. These should be common sense ways of getting around these problems. Adapt or die.
Bulletproof Cupid	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:08:00 - [23] How the hell do you get killed if you dont want to fight? Three golden rules 1. Dont fly (in unsafe space) what you cant afford to lose. 2. Use a scout 3. ALWAYS watch local and goto safespot if anyone/hostiles enter. Jeez -------------------------------------------------- PLACEBO I've always been an introvert, happily bleeding.
BlackHole Bob	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:08:00 - [24] Edited by: BlackHole Bob on 27/01/2006 00:09:33 fly smarter: use the map and display stars settings fly with friends dont take weaker ships into 0.0 or low sec and just "fly around" auto pilot kills in low sec and 0.0 deep 0.0 is player run and by people whom also have time invested in eve, make friends with some I am in low sec all the time and always avoid or hardly see pirates as I fly smart and watch local and all that good stuff. As a newer player whom you say is forced to low sec and death I disagree, your own action force that upon you IMHO from reading your thread. Heres a few tips... dont fly deep into low sec and 0.0 28 jumps from your agent dont fly solo into any non concord patroled space and expect to live always understand almost everything in eve is risk vs reward + its hyper capitolistic market the truth lies here in....knuckle up and fight back...even if it is for your mere exsistance in eve... Blackhole Bob www.evegathering.com Las Vegas EvE Gathering 2006 March 15th and 16th
Kerushi	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:09:00 - [25] took 12 sec to read wanna borrow my shrink? ________________
Tobiaz	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:09:00 - [26] Edited by: Tobiaz on 27/01/2006 00:09:31 Originally by: Allan Robertson I kinda agree with EternalDragon, but you must understand two things... 1: 0.0 is very unsafe space. 2: Most (if not all) pirates are scum. 3: Most (if not all) carebears are whiny morons RMR hiatus
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:10:00 - [27] Originally by: EternalDragon I think this is a serious issue in eve, I have every right to voice my opinions, please before most of you troll my thread, take 10 seconds and "think" If you answered my questions we might approach a solution. From your later comments it seems you dont want PvP but you went to 0.0 You want the game changing to suit you dont you? Uber big spawns and no other risk perhaps?
Tobiaz	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: EternalDragon I think this is a serious issue in eve, I have every right to voice my opinions, please before most of you troll my thread, take 10 seconds and "think" If you answered my questions we might approach a solution. From your later comments it seems you dont want PvP but you went to 0.0 You want the game changing to suit you dont you? Uber big spawns and no other risk perhaps? I suggest we split up the server into a separate PvP and a NPC server. RMR hiatus
Lori Carlyle	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:12:00 - [29] I took longer then 10 seconds, with my first post A. you got blah blah blah jumps from "your agent" and your saying when you do a 180 you want him closer ?. No B. You quit a month ago or so has been posted.. Why are you back ? C. You want people to stop playing a GAME how they want so you can feel safe flying through "UNSAFE" space ? D. 28 Jumps is nothing. just fly back through the safe systems... not a brain buster. E. Get a closer agent. F. Join a 0.0 corp or alliance while your out there. G. You got a cara to make the jump back to your agent.. what no shuttles or clone station ? H. it is easy to fly it's the button with the big "A" in it. I. Sentries are tankable.. they are not WTF-PWNNAGE sentries.. IMHO you went 28+ jumps there, failed to do anything apart from die, so you came onto the forums to rant about how people play the game. making mistake after mistake that only YOU are accountable for but your blameing game mechanics and the openess of the game... Rethink if EvE is the game for you... if you say "well no i don't think it is" then might i say that the G,O,D & I,M,P,U,L,S,E <enter number here> keys on your keyboard are about to take a beating... just like your cara really... Just remember you need to make the console "alive" before you try and get round other game's mechanics. I don't want your stuff either.... ================================================== This site reminds me why I hate forums so much. 90% sig pictures, 10% content.
Jenny Spitfire	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Allan Robertson I kinda agree with EternalDragon, but you must understand two things... 1: 0.0 is very unsafe space. 2: Most (if not all) pirates are scum. Think 0.0s is much MORE safer than 0.4s. 0.4s still scare me like Uncle Ikvar and Verone. ---------------- RecruitMe@NOINT!
Lorth	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:14:00 - [31] Originally by: EternalDragon I think this is a serious issue in eve, I have every right to voice my opinions, please before most of you troll my thread, take 10 seconds and "think" Well I took the 'required' 10 seconds to think about your post. And your right you do have every right to right to voice your opinion. Though I have every right to reply and tell you that your opinion is both wrong, and rather dumb to say the least. So you enter a world with non-consentual PVP, and complain when it happens? Not only that, but you let the same thing happen to you on at least 4 seperate occasions? Excuse me, but when someone lets the same mistake happen to them twice, I ushally consider that person to be rather slow witted. But 4 times!?!?!? Really, expect to be flamed for this, because you frankly deserve it. Then you go on to explain to use how much eve sucks because of the long travelle times? Really? Last time I checked, this game was huge, and advertised as such on both the box, and several times on the web site. Yet you still complain. Not only that, you choose to go into space where you could be freely killed, and the complained when you were. Come on give it a break. I hate telling people to quit the game, and I engorage everyone I can to play. But clearly you don't have what it takes to actually play this game. Go some place else. Find a game that you like, and stop trying to force eve into somthing that it isn't just to suit your own needs.
StinkFinger	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Raid Take a Shuttle... He ran out of shuttles since he put all of em on escrow for 1237891238947239874 isk. --
Allan Robertson	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Tobiaz Edited by: Tobiaz on 27/01/2006 00:09:31 Originally by: Allan Robertson I kinda agree with EternalDragon, but you must understand two things... 1: 0.0 is very unsafe space. 2: Most (if not all) pirates are scum. 3: Most (if not all) carebears are whiny morons Yea and pirates are allmost 100% garantied to whine at carebears whining, whats the diffrence? Go figure.
Tweedle Dum	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:21:00 - [34] Wow,when I read his second reply, I shuddered.... I know people like him; to sum it up.. Loves the game when he's the badass, hates the game when he has a hard time. Typical counterstrike kind of player who loves the game when he's 28 and 3, but quits the game when he's 3 and 28 and calls everyone a hacker. Truth is, they always come back and continue to flame about what's wrong, when really, there's nothing bad about the game.
adhoc	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here?
Vodalus	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:22:00 - [36] Originally by: EternalDragon I go to 0.0 space and try to npc and I get kiled by pirates, 3 times in a row 3 seperate days. I give up on 0.0 space and try my agent mission. I try to get to alachene where my agent is and its 28+ jumps through "safe" space" This new highway system ccp devs make is a bunch of garbage. If I want to go under 15 jumps to get to the agent I must go through over 4 unsafe systems of .3 - .4 Sentries are noe able to be tanked by almost any bs with ease while pirate snipe us. I with my last bit of isk got a caracal and tried to get to my agent. The first .4 system I was sniped and killed. My pod was insta popped also. It seems every single 0.0 - .4 system has pirates in in at the moment, More thna there ever was. this is getting out of hand for people that need to travel but cant afford to pvp. If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers. I think you need to find another place to play -------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Oveur EVE is primarily a PVP game
Allan Robertson	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:23:00 - [37] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Originally by: Allan Robertson I kinda agree with EternalDragon, but you must understand two things... 1: 0.0 is very unsafe space. 2: Most (if not all) pirates are scum. Think 0.0s is much MORE safer than 0.4s. 0.4s still scare me like Uncle Ikvar and Verone. Well yes some of the 0.0 systems are allmost empty all day, but thats my point, there is say about 5 systems in EVE Jita one of them that are overflowing, and 100+ systems that are empty, in my opinion I think that 0.0 should be nerfed... lol don't think it will happen tho, but somthing needs to be done to attract more players into 0.0, CCP should brainstorm some ideas.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Electric Six Click here for the solution to your problem. Nah This --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:30:00 - [39] Originally by: adhoc That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? That looks like an accident with a trimmer to me. Anyway, here ya go; [email protected] p - l - u - r My first vid
Vodalus	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:34:00 - [40] Edited by: Vodalus on 27/01/2006 00:35:39 bah double post -------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Oveur EVE is primarily a PVP game
Lord Artemis	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:35:00 - [41] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? hmm you better stop browsing forums now, it doesnt get any nicer, best way to last long here is to check your feelings at the door before you enter (i wonder how he would react to the baby in the microwave link ) ___________________________ Aegis Militia Diplomatic Relations Officer C.E.O. of SHOD
Emily Spankratchet	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:36:00 - [42] I would normally gracefully decline to reply to this sort of post, but I've just returned from the pub. Originally by: EternalDragon I go to 0.0 space and try to npc and I get kiled by pirates, 3 times in a row 3 seperate days. 0.0 space is dangerous. You may want to join a corp and/or alliance when you first go there. Quote: I give up on 0.0 space and try my agent mission. I try to get to alachene where my agent is and its 28+ jumps through "safe" space" This new highway system ccp devs make is a bunch of garbage. If I want to go under 15 jumps to get to the agent I must go through over 4 unsafe systems of .3 - .4 Point 1: Strangely, I have little trouble moving through unsafe empire. You may wish to use the many options available on the map. These permit you to view the number of ship and pod kills in the last 1 and 24 hours. For any system. Point 2: "Your agent"? You realise that if you have standing for one agent you have standing for others in different parts of the galaxy? Try looking for available agents on the map (hit F10) and choose a closer one. Keep an eye on local. Keep an eye on the map. Quote: Sentries are noe able to be tanked by almost any bs with ease while pirate snipe us. I wasn't here at the time, so this is based on rumour and scuttlebut: Gate ganking has got worse since they introduced sentries at gates. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong) Quote: I with my last bit of isk got a caracal and tried to get to my agent. The first .4 system I was sniped and killed. My pod was insta popped also. Don't worry! You can still get isk. You have a noob ship with a miner. You could run level 1 missions. You could mine. In a week you will have lots of money, unless you don't exploit EvE to the full. Quote: It seems every single 0.0 - .4 system has pirates in in at the moment, More thna there ever was. this is getting out of hand for people that need to travel but cant afford to pvp. My carebear account travels quite happily in empire without PvP. Emily lives quite happily in 0.3 with only occasional pirate infestations (although recently KORKY and ATUF seem to have taken a liking to us). Explore, in a shuttle if need be. Have fun, in a shuttle if need be. Quote: If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers. No, we'll just have a different kind of paying customer. As will WoW, for example
SghnDubh	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Allan Robertson In the coming year and patches CCP should work toward making 0.0 a more atractive place to go into, weather you are solo or in a corp, I would like to see 0.0 becoming more of a place where trade would take place and where the aliances would want to draw people in. CCP could introduce the ability for aliances to create agents or allow others outside the aliance to work for them insted of gaking them Lazy. Carve your own way. Don't ask for a handout. You want an easy ride? Stay in Jita. /me refers to a previous poster: Risk vs. Reward. How is that concept so difficult for ppl to understand? What doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Fight Smart: www.BattleClinic.com
Katura	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:44:00 - [44] Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away.
Sam Albertek	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:47:00 - [45] lets put it this way. 0.0 is not controlled by the govenrment. 0.0 is controlled by who has the bigger guns. thus, join an alliance with bigger guns, and use their 0.0 the only reason i want to use 0.0 is because if the high level rats, and high level complexes in 0.1-0.4 as soon as i get verified that im not a spy, ill get admittance into a corp thats in an alliance that controls some 0.0 its that simple. find a corp in an alliance, join it, and poof, youre safe. the gmae will not revolve around you. you need to revolve around the game.
Wendat Huron	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:51:00 - [46] Originally by: Wrayeth If you want 0.0 access, wouldn't it just be better to apply to join an existing 0.0 corp? Not everyone wants to be part of your piece of **** outfit.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:52:00 - [47] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? He probably did it to himself. It's not abuse and hes not injured (pride excluded) It might not be in the best possible taste, if that offends you then turn down your sensitvity slightly
Tekka	Posted - 2006.01.27 00:58:00 - [48] Edited by: Tekka on 27/01/2006 00:58:29 Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? He probably did it to himself. It's not abuse and hes not injured (pride excluded) It might not be in the best possible taste, if that offends you then turn down your sensitvity slightly Welcome to the Internet. Oh BTW, Its hair it grows back... And to the person who started this thread -> Click me! No Risk included! »»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»»
adhoc	Posted - 2006.01.27 01:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Katura Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away. What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line.
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.01.27 01:54:00 - [50] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Katura Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away. What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. Atally it looks like a hir trimmer accident to me, self infleted, was sleeping and attacked by younger or older brother with hair clippers. Puffy eyes from the look in mirrior and then "AAARRRRGGGGHHH MY HAIR"... If you see every child that is crying as abused the inside of head must be a fecking weird place... ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:26:00 - [51] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Actually, to me it looks like a "normal" (or as normal as kids get, but he doesn't have the physical hallmarks of, say, Downs) kid who got into the damn electric shaver. Which is more common than you'd think, according to my cousin who works at a grade school. --- God-King of Genitalia
Raem Civrie	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:32:00 - [52] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 27/01/2006 02:33:12 Originally by: adhoc What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. How did you come to the "beaten up" conclusion? Swollen eye? Does the skin around it look black and blue? When was the last time you saw a kid crying? The face contorts, tears cause swelling around the eye, skin around nose, mouth and eyes gets slightly red, et cetera. If the kid had, say, bruises, cuts, scars, visible deformations on the skull, pasty-white skin and red eyes, gigantic forehead a lß downs syndrome, slack expression that often follows Asperger's, or any of those things, I probably would've thought twice about posting it. It's a kid. Maybe a stupid kid, but a damn kid that looks like any other kid. It's also the first picture that came up on Google Imagesearch when looking for "haha owned", which was the sort of message I wanted to convey to the OP. You need to get out more. --- God-King of Genitalia
Andicuri Vas	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:34:00 - [53] Didn't EternalDragon just quit? Did you buy his account? This seems like an awfully n00b-ish whine for a character that is 2.5 years old. erm....welcome to Eve? A V
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:39:00 - [54] Someone need a hug! Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Ardent Rellik	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:43:00 - [55] Originally by: adhoc What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. Yo, dude, go Alt somewhere else, your need help... are you sure you are not the OP. There is NOTHING wrong with that pic - I laughed my ass off and so did everyone else who has seen it - you just a paranoid sizo or you have significant issues with social interactions if you react like that to a harmless pic. Kid is not been beaten up, your just making a big stink about it, as peeps said, if anything its his pride thats been wounded, probably by his older brother LOL, I did stuff like that to my brother when I was a kid. OP, get together with Adhoc, he is "as needed" alt and your are just whiney baby. Live with the game man or get yourself different one. SWG? Oh, wait you just came from there, I bet. Stop b***ing and enjoy the game - or go away.
Astasia Orian	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:47:00 - [56] Lol another eternaldragon thread.
Gigi Barbagrigia	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:54:00 - [57] There you go. Problem solved. You might still get killed but it will be AI and nobody will know. And I don't want your stuff. ----- 42
BobBarker	Posted - 2006.01.27 02:57:00 - [58] Dude, Eve is unforgiving, we are unforgiving, and that is what makes this game great! Enjoy. Also, finish the tutorial, that is very important.
Calshir	Posted - 2006.01.27 03:02:00 - [59] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Katura Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away. What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. Gah do-gooders like you should be shot, all the do-gooders in this world should be shot. This Kid has obviously had the hair clippers whizzed over a part of his head, as a prank, probably by a mate or a brother / sister and has taken it badly and cried ( Like most kids his age would do in such circumstances) he's not been beaten up nor has he had a recent head operation (you got a seriously overactive imagination). Adn to the OP .... Quit the game after scaming your way into being hated, then came back a month later and tried to go straight and people quite rightly were sceptical so you had a whine about that, now your whining cuase you went into unsafe space totally unprepared and are now having a whine about that. You can voice your opinion all you like, but don't be surprised when you get responses such as this and those before it. AND DON'T WHINE WHEN PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU EITHER !!!! the world doesn't have enough cheese !!!! **************************************** If Hindsight was Foresight the world would be a much better place to live in !!!!
Lythius Arcturnus	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:03:00 - [60] Im gunna have to sign off on this. Either get rid of the sentry guns, or up their damage so that they insta kill anything that agro's them. The way they are now is just silly.
GigaIndy	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:11:00 - [61] Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus Im gunna have to sign off on this. Either get rid of the sentry guns, or up their damage so that they insta kill anything that agro's them. The way they are now is just silly. Sentry gun damage is just fine, there range could use some tweaking. Ethier way If you cant live in .1-.4 dont go there. Pretty simple.
Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:13:00 - [62] this is the worst thread i've ever read. if you don't want to risk getting shot, don't go places where people can shoot you. that's it. no secret. just don't go if you can't handle it. can i have your stuff once you leave? In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
Lythius Arcturnus	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:23:00 - [63] Originally by: GigaIndy Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus Im gunna have to sign off on this. Either get rid of the sentry guns, or up their damage so that they insta kill anything that agro's them. The way they are now is just silly. Sentry gun damage is just fine, there range could use some tweaking. Ethier way If you cant live in .1-.4 dont go there. Pretty simple. But the real fact of the matter is that the GREAT MAJORITY of all space in Eve is lowsec, and I would guess a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the playerbase doesn't like being in low sec. I fully understand that everyone who loves PvP and pirating wants everyone to go scrambling off to low sec to become potential targets, but its just not gunna happen. So seeing as how these people will either stay in high sec, or quit the game if you force them into low sec, then whats the point in not placating them a bit and giving them a bit more space to operate in, and allowing them safe passage to more of Eve? The answer is that there is no reason not give a bit more advantage to the carebears. I can only surmise that the point of sentry guns was to protect gates. I mean come on, who's gunna argue against that point? Its like looking at something round and calling it a cirlce, its just too obvious to deny. So if they don't have the capability to protect the gates, then either get rid of them, or make them so they can do what they were put there for in the first place. This is a 2+2=4 kinda problem here.
Lythius Arcturnus	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:27:00 - [64] I officically retract everything I said except for either making sentry's more powerful or removing them. After looking up the OP of this thread, I have learned that he has been in Eve since October of 2003, and in his bio claims to be an Anti-Pirate and has a sec rating of -0.3. This kind of post should not be coming from someone with those kind of stats. It would have been perfectly valid coming from someone 2 or 3 months old though.
Winded Destruction	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:31:00 - [65] Originally by: Neon Genesis You are inable think your way around issues. Please, if your going to comment about someones intelligence, make sure you dont sound like a 2nd grader while your doing it. And I think that he has a point, its annoying, but its part of the game. Kind've like expecting to play paintball and not get hurt..... I hope noone quits over this issue.
Trepkos	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:34:00 - [66] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Abused children are meant to be subjects of uncontrollable laughter. With every 'I quit' post, a smile develops on my face, because I realize that the community's average IQ just increased by 10%. -------- Recruitment
Ardent Rellik	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:35:00 - [67] Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus Originally by: GigaIndy Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus Im gunna have to sign off on this. Either get rid of the sentry guns, or up their damage so that they insta kill anything that agro's them. The way they are now is just silly. Sentry gun damage is just fine, there range could use some tweaking. Ethier way If you cant live in .1-.4 dont go there. Pretty simple. But the real fact of the matter is that the GREAT MAJORITY of all space in Eve is lowsec, and I would guess a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the playerbase doesn't like being in low sec. I fully understand that everyone who loves PvP and pirating wants everyone to go scrambling off to low sec to become potential targets, but its just not gunna happen. So seeing as how these people will either stay in high sec, or quit the game if you force them into low sec, then whats the point in not placating them a bit and giving them a bit more space to operate in, and allowing them safe passage to more of Eve? The answer is that there is no reason not give a bit more advantage to the carebears. I can only surmise that the point of sentry guns was to protect gates. I mean come on, who's gunna argue against that point? Its like looking at something round and calling it a cirlce, its just too obvious to deny. So if they don't have the capability to protect the gates, then either get rid of them, or make them so they can do what they were put there for in the first place. This is a 2+2=4 kinda problem here. You do realise that Sentries have ALREADY Been made uber right.... They have been biffed up specifically to counter the problems you are describing. It is due to fact that, admitedly, most people are LAZY to invest time in bookmarks, into proper ship setups and so fortht hat they die to snipers. OMFG I chose to fit 5 Local Haulls on to my indy and some bastard pirate killed me cause I was too slow coming to the gate - EXPLOIT, the Pirates are BAD..... /me cries. WTF, Learn game mechanics, get better skills, be fraggin smart about traveling in lower security areas. Know where you are going! It all stems from the fact that most people, again LAZY, and do not wish to actually play and adapt to the game. Many want a personal "pawnmobille" and be able to kill all - w/o actually spending effort and time on it. Another half are the ones who are jealous of those in low security and wish to partake in its advantage - YET they are not prpared to take any losess in the process - Whatever - the OP is a Looser, and you my dear lady have no clue as to what you are talking about when it comes to EVE mechanics and the sentry guns. All I have to finish with is this, I saw a bumper sticker once: "Stupidity Should Be Painful" what a perfect way to describe the OP and your post Lythius.
Deacan Wildfire	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:36:00 - [68] Edited by: Deacan Wildfire on 27/01/2006 04:36:46 Originally by: EternalDragon I go to 0.0 space and try to npc and I get kiled by pirates, 3 times in a row 3 seperate days. I give up on 0.0 space and try my agent mission. I try to get to alachene where my agent is and its 28+ jumps through "safe" space" This new highway system ccp devs make is a bunch of garbage. If I want to go under 15 jumps to get to the agent I must go through over 4 unsafe systems of .3 - .4 Sentries are noe able to be tanked by almost any bs with ease while pirate snipe us. I with my last bit of isk got a caracal and tried to get to my agent. The first .4 system I was sniped and killed. My pod was insta popped also. It seems every single 0.0 - .4 system has pirates in in at the moment, More thna there ever was. this is getting out of hand for people that need to travel but cant afford to pvp. If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers. Please read this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=257412 - DW plaguing MMORPGs since 1997
F'nog	Posted - 2006.01.27 04:56:00 - [69] I think the original ED sold his account and this is some noob who has no idea what he's doing. It seems pretty obvious he's in over his head, so we should probably help him if he asks for it. Though many have already offered good advice, so I suggest that the OP follows it. He should also learn a little about how Eve works before coming here and whining. Originally by: rowbin hod Fragm's Oversized Ego Cannon barely scratches the forums, inflicting omgnoonecares damage.
Desiderious	Posted - 2006.01.27 06:38:00 - [70] Here is what you have to do. If you see an agent you like thats great. However if he is in a dangerous area, ask yourself if its worth it. Ask yourself if you can wait a few more missions until the next agent opens up who may be in a high security area. That is what you have to do, train some social skills, etc. But CCP does this so the poeple who want to take that chance in getting to the agent are able to and possibly get the agent sooner then if you stayed in high sec space. All about risk vs reward. And you gotta know when to cut your losses, and try to very your rout to the guy. If you go to the same system and you keep getting blown up....well your just asking for more pirates to be attracted. If you want to force your way through try getting your warp stabilization and speed up fairly high and you can probably get through most gate campers.
Frezik	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:08:00 - [71] Originally by: EternalDragon The point is its not fair to the people that dont want to pvp and need isk to have to go around the whole freakon map to get somewhere out of almost a definate possibility of getting sniped by a sentry tanking pirate. PvP is intrinsic to Eve. If you don't like that, then Eve is not the game for you. ---- "Well in this case, he's being flamed, and rightly so, for whinning about a game mechanic that doesn't actually exist." -Lorth
GrumpyCoyote	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:43:00 - [72] Now that's funny. He flys into PVP space, and then claims to not want to PVP. Stay in empire. Done. No more getting blown up. How is this a problem?
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:46:00 - [73] Um. Your character is 2 years old. You used to be a pirate. You're complaining about being ganked. What's wrong with this picture? I've been in the game for about 8 months, spent 3 of those months flying around lowsec in a hauler NPC trading, I have lost 1 ship and no pods in 8 months. And weren't you here last month saying that you were quitting the game? Just un-install, this game is not for you.
Tony Fats	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:50:00 - [74] PS - I agree that carebears are whiney morons. For all intents and purposes, pvp is optional. Don't want to fight? Warp away. If you get caught one in a million times so what? Its the price of doing business.
Berrik Radhok	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:55:00 - [75] Waaah waaah waaah. Equip stabs, buy instas. Problem solved.
Erilias Ilthis	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:56:00 - [76] I've had it with these kinda types... I'm freaking on my chair right now reading the OP. Look, Dragon, it's really easy. CCP made a game with room for all. There's highsec for the ****ypants AND (respectfully meant) the more laid back or occasional players and lowsec for the hardcore players and pvp types. This distinction is to be made as from an IQ of about 6. core question: Why do you keep venturing in lowsec, you know the risk.. It's like building a house on the landing track of an airport and afterwards complaining that there's noise from airplanes.
Sleazy Cabby	Posted - 2006.01.27 07:58:00 - [77] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Katura Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away. What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. buhu stfu the doors that way --------->
Sleazy Cabby	Posted - 2006.01.27 08:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus But the real fact of the matter is that the GREAT MAJORITY of all space in Eve is lowsec, and I would guess a LARGE PERCENTAGE of the playerbase doesn't like being in low sec. Then the large percentage of the playerbase should go play a non-pvp game. Even in high sec your corp can be wardecced, whats the difference between that and flying through lowsec? EVE IS A PVP GAME
Random Thug	Posted - 2006.01.27 08:09:00 - [79] Originally by: F'nog I think the original ED sold his account and this is some noob who has no idea what he's doing. It seems pretty obvious he's in over his head, so we should probably help him if he asks for it. Though many have already offered good advice, so I suggest that the OP follows it. He should also learn a little about how Eve works before coming here and whining. No I get the feeling it is the same moron who quit the game. I saw him on "Help" channel earlier begging for money from 3 week newbs. I pointed out he was a 2.5 year vet, and he started abusing people in chat.
Ultim8Evil	Posted - 2006.01.27 08:36:00 - [80] NEWS JUST IN....NEWS JUST IN....NEWS JUST IN...NEWS JUST IN... The sky is falling! Can I have your stuff? Kthxbye
LoveSlave Dave	Posted - 2006.01.27 08:47:00 - [81] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Katura Edited by: Katura on 27/01/2006 00:46:08 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? Not over my line, I'm sure he had it coming. go away. What? Who are you? Some sort of Eve god everyone looks up to? Why should I go away? That kid looks beaten up to me and has some kind of head operation. I'm quite used to forums, this one is quite tame in general, that one picture is over the line. He deserved it look at the miserable little **** he probably started ***ing "I want sweets, I want food, I havent had a drink for 3 days, I need my insulin.... blah blah blah" a right hook to the mooey never hurt anyone. ------------------ Daddy does it to me cos he loves me
Oro Masut	Posted - 2006.01.27 09:20:00 - [82] First of all, i am pretty new to Eve playing it for about 2 weeks. I am coming from a long-time EQ1 (about 5 years) and bumps into DAoC, WoW( still made 60 there, nothing to brag about),Guild Wars and so on. Basically i have tried every semi-major MMORPG out there. Reading the post of the OP, i was reminded of my feelings,when i was podded (first and only time so far). I was flying with my pimped Tristan into low-sec on auto, and partially afk. Not a smart move. My first feeling about this was like : "WTF,i am a n00b, why can this happen to me. Why am i not protected against this ** by the game-system" I read alot in the forums and in some of the guides here, before i started to play. Obviously this wasn't enough. If you play Eve and want to keep playing it with some progression, you have to understand the mechanics and the universe. After my aforementioned incident and while jumping 20 systems to buy my next ship,i took a nice long dump and a bath. Thus thinking about why this game appeals to me. And it was exactly what happened to me, which made me love this game : Risk vs. reward ! Most games try to make their players believe, that their system works likes that. Well, in some small scale that may be true. Eve on the other hand takes this ideal to the point where it is actually named aptly. You call this game unfair ? Show me another game, where you can improve you char, just by logging in to start a new skill and basically be on par with someone who paly 24/7....you are still thinking ? Give it up, there is none. Eve is very fair, even if you are broke due to being podded, you can make decent isk in a short amount of time and still have fun. Eve in itself is the world, alot of MMORPG want to have, but never get there. Death here has consequences, better you learn that now, while your bought account is new and before you join a corp, than later on. Don't get me wrong, i don't hold any grudge against ebayers, as long as they f** know the game and the class/skills they playing. Understand that this game is deep and dynamic, deeper than any other game out there. A 0.4 system that was safe for 2 weeks might today be camped by someone who blows you up, just for the fun of it. Why ? Because he can.... No, ia m not a pirate, nor do i plan to become one. On the other hand i am not limiting myself by saying i will never pirate. Every "mechanic" in Eve has its countermechanism. You want the short route ? Fine, equip 4 stabs set your bookmarks and off you go. You want it safe...plan your route manually, hell there even is an option on the map that lets the autogenerator avoid lowsec system. How much more comfort do you need ? Furthermore make your homework, read alot in the forums and about how this game and their people "tic" This game isn't for smacktalking little s who insult everyone, because here sooner or later you will face the consequences and you cannot switch the server. You live with your reputation. So, why am i posting all this ? To show you, that i understand how you feel and how frustrating this game can be and to tell you to either learn to love this game or go f**** back to WoW no fancy sig
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.27 09:42:00 - [83] Originally by: Astasia Orian Lol another eternaldragon thread. That kinda sums it up lol ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Testy Mctest	Posted - 2006.01.27 09:54:00 - [84] Originally by: Wrayeth If you want 0.0 access, wouldn't it just be better to apply to join an existing 0.0 corp? That's one of the inherent problems with Eve, at the moment. The Eve Guild Wars Project!
Biggess Boobess	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:19:00 - [85] Pretty sure Eternal Dragon mainly flies a freighter
Sendraks	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:22:00 - [86] Originally by: Lythius Arcturnus It would have been perfectly valid coming from someone 2 or 3 months old though. No it wouldn't. You see, this is what sets Eve apart from other MMORPGS. There isn't any great effort made to shelter new players and protect them from the big nasty world out there. Sure there is empire space and all its lovely safeness, but its the work of a few moments to sail off the beaten track into low sec. But the game warns you when this happens. Either you're prepared to deal with the danger or you're an idiot who ignores the blatant warnings given. I'd only been playing a month before my first missions took me into low sec. I knew it was potentially dangerous, knew I could lose my ship and/or get podded, so I took every precaution I could. I flew a cheaper faster ship, fitted stabs, made instas, watched local and generally treated every second in low sec as if I was waiting to die. Thats from me, a relatively new player, one month into the game. The first experience of low sec was a hell of a lot of fun for me. Partly because of the tension and partly because I knew that if I wanted to get out of there alive I had to plan and at the same time place minimal ISK at risk. I've little sympathy, in fact I have none at all, for a player 2 to 3 months into playing Eve who bumbles into low sec and gets killed. The game provides all the information and options the player needs to avoid that kind of incident and if someone is just too stupid to take precautions on their own head be it.
TauTut	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:30:00 - [87] ED does make a good point here (regardless of the irrelevant points abuot him coming and going etc) ... there is a hell of a lot of sniper packs gate ganking in 0.1 - 0.4 these days. It's either up to the players to deal with it - or for CCP to nerf the crap out of the game I guess. The only idea I have for this is that 0.1 - 0.4 systems have roaming Concord patrols that move between systems - so at least these happy campers get harrassed from time to time. At the moment it's all too easy for them. -TT
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:35:00 - [88] Originally by: TauTut ED does make a good point here (regardless of the irrelevant points abuot him coming and going etc) ... there is a hell of a lot of sniper packs gate ganking in 0.1 - 0.4 these days. It's either up to the players to deal with it - or for CCP to nerf the crap out of the game I guess. The only idea I have for this is that 0.1 - 0.4 systems have roaming Concord patrols that move between systems - so at least these happy campers get harrassed from time to time. At the moment it's all too easy for them. How about players harras them themselfs? ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Sendraks	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:42:00 - [89] Originally by: TauTut At the moment it's all too easy for them. It doesn't take much effort at all to do you research and learn which systems are likely to have gate camps, at what times the gate camps commonly occur and at which gates. Once you have that information you fly accordingly. The level of information available to the player, plus items, makes it quite hard for pirates imo.
Sable Schroedinger	Posted - 2006.01.27 10:52:00 - [90] I got killed. CCP gave me a way to avoid it, I didn't use it, so its CCP's fault!!! (think there may be some need to look into sentry guns though, if they reall are that easy to tank...)
Mancer	Posted - 2006.01.27 11:02:00 - [91] The way I see it, part of how the EVE universe works is you slowly build up your character with skills and potentially decide to eventually make that fateful trip into 0.0 The idea is that it takes time to build up your skills, to accumilate the right ships and modules, so that when you eventually get to 0.0 you can tank what ever is shot at you. If it was so easy for every pilot to clear off to 0.0 space, then obviously what would their be left to discover in EVE? Since every 0.0 system would be filled with pilots much like Empire. You need these differences in EVE to generate a reward for your efforts, be it actually surviving 0.0 space (or usually just the getting there) or gaining loot from NPC kills etc. The only reason I'm not fond of pirates is if they pod you (podkill), since thats beyond necessary, but then some pirate Revere the Infamy of being lowlifes (although there are some very famous Gentleman Pirates). NTS Inc. Currently Recruiting! Http://nts.revered.org.uk
Zarch AlDain	Posted - 2006.01.27 12:26:00 - [92] My girlfriends industrial got hit by a cruiser at a gate in low sec space. Fortunately for her she had every mid slot filled with shield extenders. He warped away on 50% structure from the gate guns while she hadn't even had her sheilds breached. Just take some precautions... ...hell, I'm not much over a month old and I am rat hunting in 0.0 space. It's not hard, I've lost a few ships and sworn about it, just don't expect to be wrapped in cotton wool.
Malken	Posted - 2006.01.27 12:30:00 - [93] can i have your pandas?
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.01.27 12:37:00 - [94] If you can't handle low sec, stay out of low sec. Stay in Jita humping the roids or something, silly carebear. Or press F10 and learn how to use your map to spot the "omgwtfbbq pirates" and go around them. Stop being lame skilless wuss.
Roshan longshot	Posted - 2006.01.27 12:43:00 - [95] EternalDragon: You my friend need to deleate this character altogether. Your on far too many KOS list. Its time to start new. Though I have never fallen for one of your "leagal" scams, I hold no fault to any of players that will spend millions to hunt you down. Just give in and deleat EternalDragon and never admit to being him in the future. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Karrihn	Posted - 2006.01.27 13:18:00 - [96] Originally by: EternalDragon I think this is a serious issue in eve, I have every right to voice my opinions, please before most of you troll my thread, take 10 seconds and "think" 10 seconds are done. finished thinking about it........... EVE is closer to real life than most MMO's. If you will notice that most choices you have available to you are less than ideal. Life in EVE is filled with angst, fear, loss and pain. It is then lightly sprinkled with satisfaction and reward. Like real life, happiness is temorary: a chocolate chip cookie, smoking a cigarette, 10 second orgasam or finding a $10.00 bill in your pocket. The rest of your time is spent putting one foot in front of the other with your head down scratching and clawing your way forward. The Destruction of your ship is usually preceeded by the thought,"I think I will try somthing a little different this time...."
Tharkad	Posted - 2006.01.27 13:24:00 - [97] Originally by: Maya Rkell Risk/Reward. Oh, and can I have your stuff? T2 production = free isk with no risk. Your risk/reward statement is non-applicable to the game of eve.
The Knight	Posted - 2006.01.27 13:25:00 - [98] Originally by: adhoc Originally by: Raem Civrie I'd like to relay my feelings towards your predicament. And this is pretty much it. That link is sick. I'm new to this game but pictures of abused or injured children subtitled with "Owned" is over the line by a long way. How do you report posts round here? HAHAHA..you are the dweeby kid in the photo, aren't you? Please don't report me for thinking you are dumb.
adhoc	Posted - 2006.01.27 13:53:00 - [99] Originally by: The Knight Please don't report me for thinking you are dumb. Haha, I doubt you've ever had the balls to post anything worth reporting. The original link poster explained himself and I'll admit just possibly I'm totally misreading the image. To all the puffed up internet gangsta's go ask yourself why those care bear feelings bother you so much, why you don't like feeling vulnerable and why it makes you react so strongly? School, adolescent angst? Cry for help? Oh boo-hoo !
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 13:59:00 - [100] Its funny everyone tells me im on all these KOS lists and I should delte my character because ive scammed soo many people and um did this and um that. What exactly did I do to most of you to come down on me like this? Or do most of you like to troll forum posts, or is it that you are judging me by my reputation before ever getting to know me? I think its the later, Before you post about how im a carebear and a whiner, and a scammer and how I should be killed by every alliance blah blah blah. Maybe you should know me first. I am not saying im perfect but everyone im sure has flaws. Yes I was a pirate for "2" day, it wasnt for me though and I reformed. I was a escrow scammer for about 1 month. I stopped doing it because it was wrong. I dont understand why people hold grudges on other people they never even met before.
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:12:00 - [101] Oh and BTW, I am not going anywhere, and this character was NOT bought. I am the same ED thats been here for 2+ years.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:20:00 - [102] You're on their KOS lists because you're a forum troll and a whiner. Simple! --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:34:00 - [103] Originally by: EternalDragon Its funny everyone tells me im on all these KOS lists and I should delte my character because ive scammed soo many people and um did this and um that. What exactly did I do to most of you to come down on me like this? Or do most of you like to troll forum posts, or is it that you are judging me by my reputation before ever getting to know me? I think its the later, Before you post about how im a carebear and a whiner, and a scammer and how I should be killed by every alliance blah blah blah. Maybe you should know me first. I am not saying im perfect but everyone im sure has flaws. Yes I was a pirate for "2" day, it wasnt for me though and I reformed. I was a escrow scammer for about 1 month. I stopped doing it because it was wrong. I dont understand why people hold grudges on other people they never even met before. It's all about how you present yourself. How you interact with people in Eve, how you present your case on forums? etc. You present yourself as a whiner, as a person who want to play the game on his own, a person who has little friends in eve. Judging by your empoloyment history, that seems to be the case,barely being in a corp for more than a month. We have guys in our corp that are merely months old, and are ratting and doing missions in 0.0. Its all about co-operation and helping each other out. You seem to want handouts and instant "CCP please fix it for me". From your OP I actually thought you were a newbie, but for a player of 2+ years it's just sad. Oh and yea your KOS to us too
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:40:00 - [104] Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 14:41:02 [ 2006.01.27 14:31:02 ] Roseta > oh god everyone run its EternalDragon [ 2006.01.27 14:31:20 ] tiscali > what [ 2006.01.27 14:31:29 ] Roseta > hes the most annoying person in the world [ 2006.01.27 14:31:39 ] tiscali > why [ 2006.01.27 14:31:48 ] Roseta > and every corp hes in agrees check the employment history [ 2006.01.27 14:31:54 ] EternalDragon > seriously i had enough of people harrasing me i didnt even say anything [ 2006.01.27 14:32:07 ] Pleiades Ailurus > wtf [ 2006.01.27 14:33:08 ] Pleiades Ailurus > it lagged my machine loading his history THIS IS WHY I WHINE AND BTCH, I ACTUALY TRY TO RUN AGENT MISSIONS AND AM HARRASSED IN LOCAL. I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FCKING ASK? I DIDNT EVEN SAY ANYTHING TO START.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:47:00 - [105] Yeah, all those ebil people, starting to say stuff like that without you doing anything to deserve it, ebil ebil them..... ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:50:00 - [106] Originally by: EternalDragon I JUST WANT TO BE LEFT ALONE Then dont post on the forums. Oh [ 2006.01.21 23:02:47 ] EternalDragon > +5 mining yeild implant @ 75 mil on escrow. Still scamming huh?
Captain Merkin	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:52:00 - [107] one thing you can guarantee is that those people who have killed you have also been on the reciving end of it. They dont come here to complain when someone cripples them, maybe you should take a leaf from their books? I have ganked many people since I joined this game and been ganked many times. If you struggling to figure things out, ask for assistance don't just whine.. one thing eve has going for it above any other game is the player base here. Your ask for help and the people who killed you three days ago suggest how you could improve for next time whithout any spite... come here and whinge about it and everyone will laugh at you including the people who get killed a lot ;) Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981. The Kamikaze pilot
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 14:54:00 - [108] i just realized something, You guys got NO power over me and im letting the retarded things you all say gte to me. Most of you are probably 12 years old and living in trailers and need a forums to troll people on to get your anger out. I will post wherever the fck I want and you guys cant stop me. I will be posting everything single time I lose a ship and im gonna whine and btch and all that sht as much as I want because I have the right to.
Gariuys	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:00:00 - [109] Originally by: EternalDragon i just realized something, You guys got NO power over me and im letting the retarded things you all say gte to me. Most of you are probably 12 years old and living in trailers and need a forums to troll people on to get your anger out. I will post wherever the fck I want and you guys cant stop me. I will be posting everything single time I lose a ship and im gonna whine and btch and all that sht as much as I want because I have the right to. Posts like this probably have somethign to do with the reason people got something to say when you enter local, or make a forum thread etc. And within the forum rules, yeah you got every right, as like the rest of us got every right to dislike you because of it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Captain Merkin	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:02:00 - [110] Originally by: EternalDragon i just realized something, You guys got NO power over me and im letting the retarded things you all say gte to me. Most of you are probably 12 years old and living in trailers and need a forums to troll people on to get your anger out. I will post wherever the fck I want and you guys cant stop me. I will be posting everything single time I lose a ship and im gonna whine and btch and all that sht as much as I want because I have the right to. /me adds eternaldragon to buddies list and has a chat with his agent. Proving natural selection and Charles Darwin wrong since 1981. The Kamikaze pilot
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:04:00 - [111] omg I get 100+ replies putting me down and you guys are suprised when I retaliate? LOL
Electric Cucumber	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:04:00 - [112] One solution : 1.0 and it's veldspar
Sendraks	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:10:00 - [113] Originally by: EternalDragon omg I get 100+ replies putting me down and you guys are suprised when I retaliate? LOL I don't think anyone is surprised that you retaliate, its pretty much expected. The part that surprises people is how much of an ass you manage to make yourself look with each post you make. Do you realise that if you stopped posting or underwent a dramatic attitude adjustment, i.e. became a better person, this wouldn't happen? Or do you just thrive on the negative attention? Because seriously, thats not healthy.
babylonstew	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:12:00 - [114] Originally by: EternalDragon i just realized something, You guys got NO power over me and im letting the retarded things you all say gte to me. Most of you are probably 12 years old and living in trailers and need a forums to troll people on to get your anger out. I will post wherever the fck I want and you guys cant stop me. I will be posting everything single time I lose a ship and im gonna whine and btch and all that sht as much as I want because I have the right to. and in what way is this goign to be different from your cuyrrent forum activity??? o, and btw, if you dont like reading things in local, errrm, dont read things in local and your not on my KOS list, as i dont have one, dont really have any feelings towards you one way of the other, and frankly, what you do in EVE has so little impact on me id be hard pressed to care. 2006.01.13 15:44:07<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. MOTD ^^^^^^
EternalDragon	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:13:00 - [115] Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 15:14:13 In all seriousness I got some major social skills issues im currently working on. I am doing my best to be postive sometimes but I can be a real downer most of the time. All I want is a second chance but I end up becomming what people already think of me.
babylonstew	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:18:00 - [116] Originally by: EternalDragon Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 15:14:13 In all seriousness I got some major social skills issues im currently working on. I am doing my best to be postive sometimes but I can be a real downer most of the time. All I want is a second chance but I end up becomming what people already think of me. if you just ignored it all, then people would eventually forget it and you could move on, but if you keep throwing fuel on the bloody fire, wtf do you expect??? and BTW, ill give3 you a second chance as im such a nice man 2006.01.13 15:44:07<t><color=0xffffffff>notify<t>An attempt is underway to activate the module. Please wait until that has completed. MOTD ^^^^^^
Wanoah	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:25:00 - [117] Originally by: EternalDragon Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 15:14:13 In all seriousness I got some major social skills issues im currently working on. I am doing my best to be postive sometimes but I can be a real downer most of the time. All I want is a second chance but I end up becomming what people already think of me. People have long memories and reputations in Eve are valuable - more than in other games because we are all on the same server. If you've done things to trash your rep in the past, you will never be able to completely erase that. It's a hard choice to make, but you can start over. Sell your main for some ISK, and start a new character. You get to learn from your past mistakes, and you get some ISK from having sold your character. Barriers - An Eve Novel

Zrakor	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:32:00 - [118] Maybe I'm the only one, but I feel your pain Eternal Dragon. I hate 'gankers' with a passion! However I do realize that by removing them from the game, Eve would lose a key piece of what makes it ... well ... Eve. The world is extremely dangerous and dying is not simply a case of respawning next door with all of your equipment, that's one of the things that makes it appealing to most our playerbase and different to most MMORGs out there. However what a lot of our players are lacking is a good group of friends to back each other up. Gankers are like the group of bullies at school, they won't quit until the tide starts turning against them. And to do that, you probably need help. In Kali we will be focusing a lot on group content, both for pvp (factional warfare) and pve (gang missions, and more gang support for rat hunting and complex running). By doing this we are trying even harder to bring the players together, which will work in your favor I believe. If you are traveling through space with a group of friends, you might actually stand a chance at fighting back, which will make the experience fun even if you are not a hardcore 'pvper'.

Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:32:00 - [119] Originally by: EternalDragon Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 15:14:13 In all seriousness I got some major social skills issues im currently working on. I am doing my best to be postive sometimes but I can be a real downer most of the time. All I want is a second chance but I end up becomming what people already think of me. You were right earlier, its actually important not to let what is said in a game upset you. You have to play the game for you, and your enjoyment. If its not worth that then its not worth playing. But, as you notice, EVE is a strongly social game, there are politics, borders, and this is supported in the player base and in game fiction. Given the social aspect, the game rewards co-operation and interaction. Its what makes this game great. However if you alienate yourself from the player base you make the game much harder for yourself. For example, if you want to go to 0.0 then work up a relationship with an alliance who "controls" the space. There are many alliances that support this freedom and access of 0.0 to all. Do you see where I am coming from?
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:32:00 - [120] Originally by: EternalDragon Edited by: EternalDragon on 27/01/2006 15:14:13 In all seriousness I got some major social skills issues im currently working on. I am doing my best to be postive sometimes but I can be a real downer most of the time. All I want is a second chance but I end up becomming what people already think of me. You were right earlier, its actually important not to let what is said in a game upset you. You have to play the game for you, and your enjoyment. If its not worth that then its not worth playing. But, as you notice, EVE is a strongly social game, there are politics, borders, and this is supported in the player base and in game fiction. Given the social aspect, the game rewards co-operation and interaction. Its what makes this game great. However if you alienate yourself from the player base you make the game much harder for yourself. For example, if you want to go to 0.0 then work up a relationship with an alliance who "controls" the space. There are many alliances that support this freedom and access of 0.0 to all. Do you see where I am coming from?
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:35:00 - [121] Originally by: Zrakor Maybe I'm the only one, but I feel your pain Eternal Dragon. I hate 'gankers' with a passion! However I do realize that by removing them from the game, Eve would lose a key piece of what makes it ... well ... Eve. The world is extremely dangerous and dying is not simply a case of respawning next door with all of your equipment, that's one of the things that makes it appealing to most our playerbase and different to most MMORGs out there. However what a lot of our players are lacking is a good group of friends to back each other up. Gankers are like the group of bullies at school, they won't quit until the tide starts turning against them. And to do that, you probably need help. In Kali we will be focusing a lot on group content, both for pvp (factional warfare) and pve (gang missions, and more gang support for rat hunting and complex running). By doing this we are trying even harder to bring the players together, which will work in your favor I believe. If you are traveling through space with a group of friends, you might actually stand a chance at fighting back, which will make the experience fun even if you are not a hardcore 'pvper'. Woot my point being reinforced by a dev :)
Winterblink	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:37:00 - [122] Originally by: Gummi Woot my point being reinforced by a dev :) Yeah, but for all you know he's the guy responsible for the game's Escape menu. :) Warp Drive Active \| Nature Vraie
robacz	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:38:00 - [123] I didnt read whole topic, but to reply your first post EternalDragon... You need to be more careful. Going to 0.0 while you are not in any of those pirate corps..pardon alliances, you will be killed on sight. Thats a fact, no one will help you there, so unless you have friends around who know local rulers, you will have problems. This is imho OK, its 0.0 space. Travelling thru lowsec is secure most of the time, but you have to be more careful: - check your map for pods destroyed, that will give you good picture about pirate activity - always check local when you enter lowsec system, if you see 3 -9.x guys there you should leave system as fast as possible - never travel with autopilot in lowsec, when you enter camped system you are cloaked, with autopilot, you will uncloak instantly and warp to next gate, which can be you last warp attempt; without autopilot you have time to choose warp target which need least ship aligning = you go faster to warp giving pirates smaller chance to lock you; if you warp out to camped gate, dont panic, think about your ship posibilities - is it faster to warp away, or do you have fast ship and AB so you can try to run for the gate? Do not activate MWD if you are in small ship - sig radius 500% makes it lot easier for them to lock you. - if you have cloak and rely on it do not warp gate to gate in system where you see pirates on local, they could have one ship near warp out location which would kill your cloak, go to gate thru another object - if you think other gate is camped, find object which is close to that gate, go there and use your scanner (with narrow angle) to check that gate Many pirates in lowsec are just pirate wannabes and if you wont make some serious mistake, they wont be able to kill you. On the other side, if you run in experienced pirate, your chances are not good, cos he is most likely a lot better PvPer than you. Therefore best way to stay alive is to avoid direct contact with any pirate. Anyway, you have to acept that lowsec is not called low security just for someone's pleasure, its becouse pirates can go there, can kill you there and local authorities wont help you there. So if you want to travel safe, set your autopilot to avoid lowsec systems and you wont have any problems. Of course, if you want to be safe, you will travel longer - thats your choice. I made this choice not so long ago and decided to go thru known pirate lowsec system and I paid highest price for my laziness. Is it fault of that guy who took me down? Or CCP's fault? Hell no, it was only my fault, I decided to go there, I knew the risks and I failed to avoid pirates. BTW imagine how boring it would be if you were safe everywhere? Heh I dont like being killed of course, but without any risk it would be boring afk game...
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:40:00 - [124] Originally by: Zrakor Maybe I'm the only one, but I feel your pain Eternal Dragon. I hate 'gankers' with a passion! However I do realize that by removing them from the game, Eve would lose a key piece of what makes it ... well ... Eve. The world is extremely dangerous and dying is not simply a case of respawning next door with all of your equipment, that's one of the things that makes it appealing to most our playerbase and different to most MMORGs out there. However what a lot of our players are lacking is a good group of friends to back each other up. Gankers are like the group of bullies at school, they won't quit until the tide starts turning against them. And to do that, you probably need help. In Kali we will be focusing a lot on group content, both for pvp (factional warfare) and pve (gang missions, and more gang support for rat hunting and complex running). By doing this we are trying even harder to bring the players together, which will work in your favor I believe. If you are traveling through space with a group of friends, you might actually stand a chance at fighting back, which will make the experience fun even if you are not a hardcore 'pvper'. Of all the devs you are the only one I feel misses the whole "point" of eve. Its partially your fault that level 4s were overpowered for so long, and vicariously that "exodus" caused everyone to leave 0.0. Most "gankers" just want PvP. If you want PvP you arnt going to turn it down just because the enemy doesnt want to fight or has less numbers. Eve would be better without agent missions. (unrepeatable Cosmos should entirely replace all existing agents)
Gaius Sejanus	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:40:00 - [125] Quote: I will post wherever the fck I want and you guys cant stop me. Since this is technically true (sort of), don't be surprised when people take the alternative method: Making as much fun of you as you so richly deserve. 2+ years and you can't figure out how to spot a gate camp? That's not a social issue, that's a lack-of-brain issue.
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:42:00 - [126] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Gummi Woot my point being reinforced by a dev :) Yeah, but for all you know he's the guy responsible for the game's Escape menu. :) LOL Anyway he started writing that before I posted.
Karrihn	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:43:00 - [127] Originally by: Sendraks Originally by: EternalDragon omg I get 100+ replies putting me down and you guys are suprised when I retaliate? LOL I don't think anyone is surprised that you retaliate, its pretty much expected. The part that surprises people is how much of an ass you manage to make yourself look with each post you make. Do you realise that if you stopped posting or underwent a dramatic attitude adjustment, i.e. became a better person, this wouldn't happen? Or do you just thrive on the negative attention? Because seriously, thats not healthy. Negative behaviour causes a response. It gets attention. much like my 10 yr old daughter. If I neglect to give her my attention in a positive way or plain neglect to give her due attention, she acts inappropriatly and gains my undivided attention. that in turn re-inforces the negative behaiviour. And from ED's responses, he/she/it is merely 10 yrs old. A responsible adult would recognize this behavior and ajdust thier own behaviour to bring about positive responses in the child. The Destruction of your ship is usually preceeded by the thought,"I think I will try somthing a little different this time...."
Gierling	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:55:00 - [128] I think the problem is that at least as far as the average player goes gankers rarely if ever get thier comeuppance. I'm sure plenty a pirate here has bad memories of an easy mark that just went all wrong and ending up webbed and warpscrambled in a pod. Your average player will never see that though. Frankly I think that allowing players to join Concord would help this, so long as its done right. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin

Zrakor	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:56:00 - [129] Edited by: Zrakor on 27/01/2006 15:56:19 Originally by: Selena Sellion Of all the devs you are the only one I feel misses the whole "point" of eve. Its partially your fault that level 4s were overpowered for so long, and vicariously that "exodus" caused everyone to leave 0.0. Most "gankers" just want PvP. If you want PvP you arnt going to turn it down just because the enemy doesnt want to fight or has less numbers. Eve would be better without agent missions. (unrepeatable Cosmos should entirely replace all existing agents) You assume I made the decision that level 4 agents were supposed to be located in Empire space, which in fact is false. Not that I totally agree with your idea that players should be indirectly forced into 0.0 by supplying Empire space with only low level content. But that's another discussion entirely.

Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.01.27 15:58:00 - [130] Originally by: Zrakor Maybe I'm the only one, but I feel your pain Eternal Dragon. I hate 'gankers' with a passion! However I do realize that by removing them from the game, Eve would lose a key piece of what makes it ... well ... Eve. The world is extremely dangerous and dying is not simply a case of respawning next door with all of your equipment, that's one of the things that makes it appealing to most our playerbase and different to most MMORGs out there. However what a lot of our players are lacking is a good group of friends to back each other up. Gankers are like the group of bullies at school, they won't quit until the tide starts turning against them. And to do that, you probably need help. In Kali we will be focusing a lot on group content, both for pvp (factional warfare) and pve (gang missions, and more gang support for rat hunting and complex running). By doing this we are trying even harder to bring the players together, which will work in your favor I believe. If you are traveling through space with a group of friends, you might actually stand a chance at fighting back, which will make the experience fun even if you are not a hardcore 'pvper'. I can't say I agree with your sentiment at all. The player in question took a risk, a well documented risk, by travelling into unprotected space. Put simply, piracy is easily avoided by simply following certain precautions. This player did not follow those precautions, he was lazy. He could have easily prevented those ship losses and he did not. 'Gankers' as you call them, have chosen a perfectly legitimate profession in EVE by going outside of protected space (exposing themselves to risk) and choosing to pirate, or by choosing to claim an area of space for the economic benefits, and also to protect that space against any percieved threats. IE - they are doing what you devs wanted, they are colonizing 0.0 and policing their territory. Your misplaced sympathy with this individual blatantly ignores the obivous mistakes and lazy approach he as adpoted, along with his defeatist attitude. I have lived in lowsec/0.0 since I was three weeks old, and I have lost only one ship. You can avoid getting killed in Alliance space by being a member of that Alliance. Additionally, its not difficult to avoid piracy, and pirates are not just 'gankers' they do it for the economic gain just like mission runners/haulers/ship builders etc. It is a means to an end like any other, and a means to an end they enjoy. The OP, quite simply, does not have a case here.
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:02:00 - [131] Edited by: Selena Sellion on 27/01/2006 16:04:13 Originally by: Zrakor Edited by: Zrakor on 27/01/2006 15:56:19 Originally by: Selena Sellion Of all the devs you are the only one I feel misses the whole "point" of eve. Its partially your fault that level 4s were overpowered for so long, and vicariously that "exodus" caused everyone to leave 0.0. Most "gankers" just want PvP. If you want PvP you arnt going to turn it down just because the enemy doesnt want to fight or has less numbers. Eve would be better without agent missions. (unrepeatable Cosmos should entirely replace all existing agents) You assume I made the decision that level 4 agents were supposed to be located in Empire space, which in fact is false. Not that I totally agree with your idea that players should be indirectly forced into 0.0 by supplying Empire space with only low level content. But that's another discussion entirely. Theres a difference between "high level content" and "The fastest way to get isk, which also has zero risk, which also is the only way (at that time anyway) to get the best ships in the game, which also involves no player interaction". Im fine with high level content in empire, provided it involves competition between players (not player v NPC), risk (not the possibility of AFKing through missions... and no the fact that idiots die to lev4s doesnt make them risky.. you can lose a BS to a solo Npc frigate that doesnt make fighting one risky), and a reward that is in line with other timesinks. I read every post you make, and it seems you dont think this is a primarily PvP game (or that it should be). The other devs do. EDIT: Just wanted to add the TOTAL Immersion breaking reality that more NPC battlships Live and DIE IN HIGH SEC EMPIRE space than 0.0.... stupid stupid stupid.
The Knight	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:04:00 - [132] Edited by: The Knight on 27/01/2006 16:06:58 Originally by: adhoc Originally by: The Knight Please don't report me for thinking you are dumb. Haha, I doubt you've ever had the balls to post anything worth reporting. The original link poster explained himself and I'll admit just possibly I'm totally misreading the image. To all the puffed up internet gangsta's go ask yourself why those care bear feelings bother you so much, why you don't like feeling vulnerable and why it makes you react so strongly? School, adolescent angst? Cry for help? Oh boo-hoo ! Your entire post is based on assumption and ignorance. I on the other hand can state quite truthfully that I found your post to be dumb. That "owned" pic has been around for ages...its funny, hardly something to go around threatening people that you will report them for it.

Zrakor	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:06:00 - [133] Originally by: Butter Dog The OP, quite simply, does not have a case here. I didn't say he did have a case against the player pirates in question, just that I felt his pain. I've been 'ganked' before, and hence I can relate to his situation somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I don't think player pirates are doing anything fundamentally wrong at all. But personally I would much rather participate in Alliance warfare and factional warfare (in Kali) than hanging around gates and killing players who offer little resistance. Also, to reiterate what I said originally, I certainly don't want 'gankers' to disappear entirely, they are a part of Eve and will stay that way. But giving our more carebear oriented players more of a chance to fight back, by encouraging grouping during PVE activities, is a good thing in my humble oppinion.


Zrakor	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:13:00 - [134] Originally by: Selena Sellion I read every post you make, and it seems you dont think this is a primarily PvP game (or that it should be). The other devs do. I think you have me all wrong there, but that is probably more my fault than yours. Believe it or not, I used to be 'an evil player killer' back in the old days of Ultima Online. However despite that, my vision of Eve is making it as successful as we possibly can. And doing that requires there to be some content that is not primarily geared towards pvp. 'Fixing' the 0.0 situation is more of a question of providing more content there than nerfing Empire. And that's what we are doing now and will be doing for Kali. 0.0 COSMOS, mini-professions, there are tons of things planned for Kali that will be primarily a 0.0 activity.

Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:13:00 - [135] Originally by: Zrakor I didn't say he did have a case against the player pirates in question, just that I felt his pain. I've been 'ganked' before, and hence I can relate to his situation somewhat. Don't get me wrong, I don't think player pirates are doing anything fundamentally wrong at all. But personally I would much rather participate in Alliance warfare and factional warfare (in Kali) than hanging around gates and killing players who offer little resistance. Also, to reiterate what I said originally, I certainly don't want 'gankers' to disappear entirely, they are a part of Eve and will stay that way. But giving our more carebear oriented players more of a chance to fight back, by encouraging grouping during PVE activities, is a good thing in my humble oppinion. Yea, i think most of us would love to engage in Alliance warfare. But lets face it, its impossible right now. Im really looking forward to Factional warfare too, but i forsee it requiring me to run dozens upon dozens of agent missions first to get enough standings etc. Sorry, no. Incidentially, why do gankers gank? Because there's these silly gate turrets, making it completely impossible to do any type of ransoming. Alot of the problems with PvP, including ganking, could be fixed fairly easily, but it doesnt involve making ganking harder, but making not ganking more fun/profitable. Profitable, mainly.
Bobbeh	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:38:00 - [136] is that the original eternal dragon? doesnt sould like him :S. Mimiru > It'd be a tie, the monkies nerfed pooflinger wouldnt have enough tracking to hit the parrot orbiting him, but the parrot's beak is so small it couldnt break the monkey's fur tanking.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:41:00 - [137] Zrakor, well, Hopefully Factional Warfare will provide Empire dwellers with something which is noteably absent from Eve: The pick-up group. PUG's are fine when you're looking to have a short blast, and as the missions will be in high sec there are no real trust issues (and LP, ISK etc shuold be split appropriately...) --------------------------------------------------------------- Warning: above post may contain traces of sarcasm.
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:46:00 - [138] I lost 700mil in fittings today, do I quit eve? hell no.
Xachariah	Posted - 2006.01.27 16:52:00 - [139] Originally by: Maya Rkell Zrakor, well, Hopefully Factional Warfare will provide Empire dwellers with something which is noteably absent from Eve: The pick-up group. PUG's are fine when you're looking to have a short blast, and as the missions will be in high sec there are no real trust issues (and LP, ISK etc shuold be split appropriately...) I think Cosmos worked fine concerning PUG, however there are not enough people interested in them.
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:01:00 - [140] Although i do not agree with the OP's 'OMFG EVE SUXORS SOO BADLY!!!111ONE!!!' post, i do feel some of the 'pvp' elements could be adjusted a little, lets face it, beeing able to sit at 200km from a gate all day sniping nOObships isn't pvp, it's just lame.
Tharrn	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:08:00 - [141] It also sounds very boring. I guess I'll never get why shooting targets that don't return fire is more fun than mining - roids stand no chance either. Must be the 'Ha ha! That'll teach him!' griefing joy :P Now recruiting!
Sochin	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:39:00 - [142] Gate campers provide a very important service imho. That is, punishing people for their stupidity. It is entirely possible to avoid getting ganked without to much difficulty, it is just most people are to lazy to do it. Get instas, check the map for "ships destroyed in last hour", ect. In the entire time I have been playing EVE, I have been ganked twice. Both happens nearly two years ago, and all I lost were Stabbers. Since then, I've ran dozens of gatecamps successfully and avoided many more. Stop complaining that you can't just jet down into 0.0 and mine solo for hours by yourself without getting killed frequently. Nemo me impune lacessit
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:43:00 - [143] Originally by: Zrakor However despite that, my vision of Eve is making it as successful as we possibly can. And doing that requires there to be some content that is not primarily geared towards pvp. By appealing to the lowest common denominator you'll end up with WoW. Or at the very least a sharply polarised gaming world with vastly different players in empire and 0.0 - though, I appreciate and value your comments about giving people something to do in empire. Its just not for me :)
Gierling	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:52:00 - [144] Gives Zrakor a cookie, he deserves it Good on you to stand up to the gank-and-boom crowd, and good on you to make sure there are things to do that aren't inherently fatal. I think its good for the game to and I'm primarily a pvper. Just don't expect that attitude to resound well here, many like cheap pointless kills with no risk and the possibility of high reward. I just wish we could get player run Law Enforcement. snip That's not very appropriate. - Teblin
Byronius	Posted - 2006.01.27 17:55:00 - [145] Originally by: EternalDragon The point is its not fair to the people that dont want to pvp and need isk to have to go around the whole freakon map to get somewhere out of almost a definate possibility of getting sniped by a sentry tanking pirate. You know what you should really do? Cry more.....please....
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:11:00 - [146] Originally by: Zrakor 0.0 COSMOS, mini-professions, there are tons of things planned for Kali that will be primarily a 0.0 activity. So, you want to focus on that instead of some of the (OP's referred) pirating activity.. I just fear personally that Kali will be huge disappointment. Dull, nothing that actually moves people. You know, if all that faction stuff is voluntary, great amount of people will not go in. They have perfected their present stuff and just dislike changes. While the player amounts are slowly increasing it means it'll mostly just balance slightly things. Mentioned "not cool things" will keep on going in the same scale. Also the amount of silly carebears trying to solo through the game and just searching for the riskless "I win" button will just increase and increase. Let the other faction players for instance drop dogtags that will be bought by npcs.. Make the war REAL, something that no one can avoid.. And it'll change how the people acts. Otherwise most of the Kali content will be even noticed for real by only a few players.

Wrangler	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:24:00 - [147] Originally by: Gummi Woot my point being reinforced by a dev :) Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it? [Read the Rules!] - [Contact us]

Berak FalCheran	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:25:00 - [148] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Zrakor Maybe I'm the only one, but I feel your pain Eternal Dragon. I hate 'gankers' with a passion! However I do realize that by removing them from the game, Eve would lose a key piece of what makes it ... well ... Eve. The world is extremely dangerous and dying is not simply a case of respawning next door with all of your equipment, that's one of the things that makes it appealing to most our playerbase and different to most MMORGs out there. However what a lot of our players are lacking is a good group of friends to back each other up. Gankers are like the group of bullies at school, they won't quit until the tide starts turning against them. And to do that, you probably need help. In Kali we will be focusing a lot on group content, both for pvp (factional warfare) and pve (gang missions, and more gang support for rat hunting and complex running). By doing this we are trying even harder to bring the players together, which will work in your favor I believe. If you are traveling through space with a group of friends, you might actually stand a chance at fighting back, which will make the experience fun even if you are not a hardcore 'pvper'. I can't say I agree with your sentiment at all. The player in question took a risk, a well documented risk, by travelling into unprotected space. Put simply, piracy is easily avoided by simply following certain precautions. This player did not follow those precautions, he was lazy. He could have easily prevented those ship losses and he did not. 'Gankers' as you call them, have chosen a perfectly legitimate profession in EVE by going outside of protected space (exposing themselves to risk) and choosing to pirate, or by choosing to claim an area of space for the economic benefits, and also to protect that space against any percieved threats. IE - they are doing what you devs wanted, they are colonizing 0.0 and policing their territory. Your misplaced sympathy with this individual blatantly ignores the obivous mistakes and lazy approach he as adpoted, along with his defeatist attitude. I have lived in lowsec/0.0 since I was three weeks old, and I have lost only one ship. You can avoid getting killed in Alliance space by being a member of that Alliance. Additionally, its not difficult to avoid piracy, and pirates are not just 'gankers' they do it for the economic gain just like mission runners/haulers/ship builders etc. It is a means to an end like any other, and a means to an end they enjoy. The OP, quite simply, does not have a case here. You won the thread. I find it rediculous that anyone could give the slightest shred of sympathy to someone with 2 years playing experience who was too idiotic to avoid his own demise, when given an ample set of tools. btw EternalDragon, I don't even know who you are. So unlike everyone else, I don't hate you or anything, I just disagree with your post :) <3 In short: Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:29:00 - [149] Originally by: EternalDragon The point is its not fair to the people that dont want to pvp and need isk to have to go around the whole freakon map to get somewhere out of almost a definate possibility of getting sniped by a sentry tanking pirate. Don't want to PvP and playing eve?
Macro Slasher	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:30:00 - [150] Originally by: Zrakor By making factional warfare mean something, i.e. have the rewards worth it, and have it accessible to everyone, then it should add a great deal to the pvp side of the game. I agree wholeheartedly. It would drive many plain lamers to do other things that would be funnier for everyone. I hope that you will really do your best to get not just many but most of the people into it. It however boggles me trying to think of any way how you could really succeed in it. Btw: If I join the Navy (Caldari of course, the others are just jokes if compared to the Caldari navy), why don't they give me ships (so I can blow up certain amount for free with all the equipment) and real rewards when I succeed in the goals? Real armies do supply their troops. Some things like that planned?
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:53:00 - [151] Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: Macro Slasher So, you want to focus on that instead of some of the (OP's referred) pirating activity.. I just fear personally that Kali will be huge disappointment. Dull, nothing that actually moves people. You know, if all that faction stuff is voluntary, great amount of people will not go in. They have perfected their present stuff and just dislike changes. While the player amounts are slowly increasing it means it'll mostly just balance slightly things. Mentioned "not cool things" will keep on going in the same scale. Also the amount of silly carebears trying to solo through the game and just searching for the riskless "I win" button will just increase and increase. Let the other faction players for instance drop dogtags that will be bought by npcs.. Make the war REAL, something that no one can avoid.. And it'll change how the people acts. Otherwise most of the Kali content will be even noticed for real by only a few players. By making factional warfare mean something, i.e. have the rewards worth it, and have it accessible to everyone, then it should add a great deal to the pvp side of the game. The current design, from what I've seen, looks excellent. That coupled with hidden complexes and hidden agents (the best of which will be located in 0.0, giving players more things to fight over) will definately improve the pvp landscape. The 'exploration themed' design for the next expansion is just making me (from an Eve player perspective) crave Kali to the point of insanity!(well nearly anyway ) /me gets excited =)
Ikvar	Posted - 2006.01.27 18:54:00 - [152] Originally by: EternalDragon If they dont increase sentry gun tougness or make it easier to travel without having to go through shtholes of pirates you will be having much les paying customers. And yet, it's been this way for a long long time and still the userbase of EVE has been constantly growing? Nice logic there, Captain Encyclopedia! Originally by: Avon I actually enjoy crafting in EQ2.
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2006.01.27 19:50:00 - [153] Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 27/01/2006 19:50:34 EternalDragoon.....I thought you left the game 14 days ago, or was it after you begged in your npc corp for isk, or after you tried to scam in the market Seriusly, you seem like someone, who isnt cut for this game, Let me give you an advice, stop playing EVE-online. And if you do give it another try, learn the game mechanics, before blaming your ingame problems, on other gamers. As someone who claims to have played this game for 2 years, you do act like a noob....you should know better, that if you venture into 0.4 and lower the risk is there. But your having a bad rep ingame, has nothing to do with EVE game mechanics...its because people dislike being lied to, cheated and yelled at...just like in the real world, EVE-online does require some social behavior skills, which you are clearly lacking. If you cannot take the heat dont post rubbish on the forums. If I where in your shoe's i would delete my char and start all over again. This time try the tutorial it might give you some pointers
RedElite	Posted - 2006.01.27 20:24:00 - [154] Well you live in our backyard. What do you expect ? We aint pirates we are just missunderstood carebears. And we have been here since the begining of time And we wont move. Mabe time to look for new hunting grounds
Gummi	Posted - 2006.01.27 21:35:00 - [155] Originally by: Wrangler Originally by: Gummi Woot my point being reinforced by a dev :) Makes ya all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn't it? Lol and now being quoted by The Wrangler... OMG I feel like I just won eve :)
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2006.01.27 21:41:00 - [156] Originally by: Zrakor Originally by: Macro Slasher So, you want to focus on that instead of some of the (OP's referred) pirating activity.. I just fear personally that Kali will be huge disappointment. Dull, nothing that actually moves people. You know, if all that faction stuff is voluntary, great amount of people will not go in. They have perfected their present stuff and just dislike changes. While the player amounts are slowly increasing it means it'll mostly just balance slightly things. Mentioned "not cool things" will keep on going in the same scale. Also the amount of silly carebears trying to solo through the game and just searching for the riskless "I win" button will just increase and increase. Let the other faction players for instance drop dogtags that will be bought by npcs.. Make the war REAL, something that no one can avoid.. And it'll change how the people acts. Otherwise most of the Kali content will be even noticed for real by only a few players. By making factional warfare mean something, i.e. have the rewards worth it, and have it accessible to everyone, then it should add a great deal to the pvp side of the game. The current design, from what I've seen, looks excellent. That coupled with hidden complexes and hidden agents (the best of which will be located in 0.0, giving players more things to fight over) will definately improve the pvp landscape. The 'exploration themed' design for the next expansion is just making me (from an Eve player perspective) crave Kali to the point of insanity!(well nearly anyway ) Wow, you mean we'll get NPC created goods for doing things now!? What a huge and significant change!!! ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
Leb Iblis	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:36:00 - [157] Originally by: Tobiaz I suggest we split up the server into a separate PvP and a NPC server. Doesn't 0.5 to 1.0 sector represent this to a degree?
HippoKing	Posted - 2006.01.27 23:54:00 - [158] Edited by: HippoKing on 27/01/2006 23:55:38 Originally by: EternalDragon Oh and BTW, I am not going anywhere, and this character was NOT bought. I am the same ED thats been here for 2+ years. mores the pity edit, just to re-inforce my point: stupidity and whining BOTH make the baby jesus cry. i think you're bordering on child abuse here, and when that child is a religious icon too... it can't be good
JamesTalon	Posted - 2006.01.28 00:24:00 - [159] I just read his name, and I don't like him already. Guess I shall never buy anything from him if he is a scammer. That, or actually look at the Escrows that I'm hoping are real (like you should be doing anyways, unless its bookmarks) Funny quotes: San - The system is up says: the only thing Microsoft can make that doesn't suck is a vacuum Averick - "The box said "Requires Windows 95 or better" so I installed Linux"

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