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Clism
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.01 17:40:00 -
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Yes, I know about Dotlan maps and several other sources but they do not have coverage of all the moons in several 0.0 regions including the Great Wildlands. Can someone who has at least partial coverage of the Great Wildlands please contact me in game. And if there is a source online of this information that I've missed, please let me know. Thanks! |

Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:09:00 -
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If you found an empty system and by some miracle it had tech or the like, and NOBODY knew about it, would you report it to dotlan?
Maybe there unregistered for a reason?
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.11.01 19:27:00 -
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Scan them your self lazy ass |

mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:04:00 -
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If you want, you might be able to hire me to scan some of the systems for you for a reasonable price. If you're interested, send me a mail sometime and we can see if we can work something out. |

Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:15:00 -
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How strange. Early this year or late last year, I was looking at the moons in Great Wildlands and the list was complete. I go back to the list after seeing this post (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Great_Wildlands/moons) and the list has been changed. At the time it had every system's moons listed. It sure does look like dotlan removed the info for some reason. Perhaps an interested party paid them to remove the info. |

Clism
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.01 20:34:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote:How strange. Early this year or late last year, I was looking at the moons in Great Wildlands and the list was complete. I go back to the list after seeing this post (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Great_Wildlands/moons) and the list has been changed. At the time it had every system's moons listed. It sure does look like dotlan removed the info for some reason. Perhaps an interested party paid them to remove the info.
That is very interesting! Currently only 6% of the moons are shown on Dotlan maps. I wonder why this occurred? I will write dotlan and ask. I had written the owner of dotlan in game but he did not respond. Thank you for your helpful and courteous post. |

Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.01 22:57:00 -
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Clism wrote: Thank you for your helpful and courteous post.
Sorry man, didn't mean to come off as a douchebag.
Just saying that mining moon Gold is basically how you win this game, and if you found it, you certianly wouldn't announce it.
Good luck on your search, though Great WIldlands is Russian space, kinda doubtful they'll let you keep anything you find....
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Clism
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.02 01:58:00 -
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Clism wrote:Mara Villoso wrote:How strange. Early this year or late last year, I was looking at the moons in Great Wildlands and the list was complete. I go back to the list after seeing this post (http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/Great_Wildlands/moons) and the list has been changed. At the time it had every system's moons listed. It sure does look like dotlan removed the info for some reason. Perhaps an interested party paid them to remove the info. That is very interesting! Currently only 6% of the moons are shown on Dotlan maps. I wonder why this occurred? I will write dotlan and ask. I had written the owner of dotlan in game but he did not respond. Thank you for your helpful and courteous post.
OK I wrote the guy who does Dotlan and asked about this, here is his response:
From: Wollari Sent: 2011.11.01 22:35 To: Clism,
I can't remember that I've deleted parts of the database. only when I got updates from a trusted source cause moons don't change that often. But basically I can't remember that I've deleted anything major from GW in the past.
greetings Wollari
Re: Great Wildlands From: Clism Sent: 2011.11.01 21:05 To: Wollari
What I'm asking is, according to posts on the forums, your database USED to have data for the moons in Great Wildlands, and now does not. Did it ever have that data? Thanks. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.02 08:19:00 -
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Offtopic posts removed. Please keep the discussion civil.
CCP Spitfire | Russian Community Coordinator @ccp_spitfire |
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Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.02 09:55:00 -
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Clism wrote:Yes, I know about Dotlan maps and several other sources but they do not have coverage of all the moons in several 0.0 regions including the Great Wildlands. Can someone who has at least partial coverage of the Great Wildlands please contact me in game. And if there is a source online of this information that I've missed, please let me know. Thanks!
How much are you willing to pay for this?
Let me give you a few numbers to think about.
The Great Wildlands is comprised of 96 systems
Those systems have a total of 3892 moons
A gaze survey probe will cost 194,000 ISK
Cost to survey, in probes - 755 million ISK
And then of course you have to add the pilot hours to do this. |
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Iosue
UV Heavy Industries STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:06:00 -
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Not sure how accurate this is or if it has the info your looking for but you might try checking out the Moon Map Project thread. gl. |

Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.11.02 19:26:00 -
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Iosue wrote:Not sure how accurate this is or if it has the info your looking for but you might try checking out the Moon Map Project thread. gl.
FYI, that project did not cover 0.0, but it is pretty accurate. |

Clism
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.02 20:46:00 -
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Cyniac wrote:Clism wrote:Yes, I know about Dotlan maps and several other sources but they do not have coverage of all the moons in several 0.0 regions including the Great Wildlands. Can someone who has at least partial coverage of the Great Wildlands please contact me in game. And if there is a source online of this information that I've missed, please let me know. Thanks! How much are you willing to pay for this? Let me give you a few numbers to think about. The Great Wildlands is comprised of 96 systems Those systems have a total of 3892 moons A gaze survey probe will cost 194,000 ISK Cost to survey, in probes - 755 million ISK And then of course you have to add the pilot hours to do this.
I'm hoping to assist in adding this data to the Dotlan maps. Yes, i understand fully the immensity of the task, and the expense. We have these wonderful Dotlan maps, just they're incomplete. Whoever did that task should be commended and get credit for their work. If they wish to keep it all a secret, that's their free right to do so. |

Tenchi Sal
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.02 21:36:00 -
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why not just make a scanning alt with cov ops frig and scan in the back ground while you are doing other things? |

Red Teufel
Eternity Inc
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Posted - 2011.11.03 04:57:00 -
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if you put a pos up in GW it will get taken down. |

Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.03 11:05:00 -
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Clism wrote:I'm hoping to assist in adding this data to the Dotlan maps. Yes, i understand fully the immensity of the task, and the expense. We have these wonderful Dotlan maps, just they're incomplete. Whoever did that task should be commended and get credit for their work. If they wish to keep it all a secret, that's their free right to do so.
Good luck with that.
Tenchi Sal wrote:why not just make a scanning alt with cov ops frig and scan in the back ground while you are doing other things?
Ever tried to map a system's moons? It's not an AFK activity you know. |

Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:02:00 -
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shoot a probe at the moon, cloak up, alt tab a while later, next moon. seems pretty afk to me. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:08:00 -
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you can actually check all the moons at once (sort of)
go to moon, shoot probe, repeat until all moons have probes. Cloak, Wait for probe data to come back. |

Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.11.03 13:12:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:you can actually check all the moons at once (sort of)
go to moon, shoot probe, repeat until all moons have probes. Cloak, Wait for probe data to come back.
This is exactly it.
Have you checked out the systems in Wild lands? A typical one would be 2X7Z-L
Notice the fact that it has 72 moons? So yep warp align shoot probe 72 times to map the system. Then you have a 10 minute "break" in which you wait for results... how long to do the warp-align-shoot-probe-warp-align-rince repeat thing? I'm pretty sure you'll spend more time warping and dropping probes than waiting for results.
So... AFKish? Not if you want to ever get it done. |

Serial Chi
Dust Bunnies 514
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Posted - 2011.11.03 14:05:00 -
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this is why you do it afkish. slowly and not worrying to much about it, with an alt. no ones gonna wanna map out that entire region when you can just sit in high sec and make 100mil an hour. much more then what the op would be willing to pay. or if the op is willing to pay 100mil an hour to map out moons, then there would be no problem highering someone. |
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Clism
Beasts of Burden
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Posted - 2011.11.04 20:11:00 -
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Kale Eledar
Mining and Industrial Services The Irukandji
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Posted - 2011.11.05 05:02:00 -
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You must also consider that moon composition is player reported and thus not necessarily accurate, so even if there WAS a perfect map, there'd be a very significant change the majority of the information on the location of VALUABLE moons would be incorrect.
-Kale |

Clism
Beasts of Burden The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:48:00 -
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hi, I'd still love to get moon minerals maps/ databases of Great Wildlands, Curse and Stain. I'd like to get them added to Dotlan maps. I'm willing to pay.
Best to mail me in game. Thanks |

Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.03 09:14:00 -
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Clism wrote:hi, I'd still love to get moon minerals maps/ databases of Great Wildlands, Curse and Stain. I'd like to get them added to Dotlan maps. I'm willing to pay.
Best to mail me in game. Thanks
I hope you are aware that even if those regions are technically not claimed by a 0.0 alliance (being NPC regions), all moons worth mining are claimed by some entity that unofficially claims the area. Same is true for valuable low sec moons.
So such data is of very limited usefulness unless you have a large fleet to throw around. Even if the data existed on Dotlan, if you'd go look at every single moon that has goo worth mining (=output value of noticeably more than 200 million ISK a month, rough cost of med tower POS fuel - in other words Dysprosium, Mercury, Neodymium, Platinum, Promethium, Thulium and Technetium) you'll find that they are occupied. Period. In the case of actual valuable goo - Dysprosium, Neodymium, Technetium - you'll also find a fully armed large deathstar POS on site. Funnily Promethium is already so cheap it isn't worth mining with a large tower unless the tower is doing something else as well (Large POS fuel cost is about 400 mil a month, Promethium goo mining is worth 440mil a month).
You might find an open moon with something like Caesium, Hafnium or Vanadium that is barely profitable to mine with a small tower (monthly profit in the range of 40-80 million ISK after paying the fuel bill) but those come with a problem; Small towers can be popped like a pinata even by a small fleet and the profits are miniscule compared to the logistics effort.
So your request is somewhat pointless, unless you wish to pay for public map of these mid-level moons that probably have a small mining POS on them so you can go around popping them for entertainment.
Edit: ah, The 99 Percent. You *are* seeking them in order to cause grief. I wholly approve this idea  |

Clism
Beasts of Burden The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:02:00 -
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Hi, I don't want to argue with you or anyone else. Dotlan maps is a wonderful resource. I would like to see all the moons listed there. These regions don't have all their moons listed there. This is simply a desire to complete the database. Eve is fascinating to me, but it's shocking that such a simple thing as a database of all the moon minerals does not exist for the public to use. If anyone is interested in selling me that data so I can have it added to Dotlan, it would be a worthy endeavor. I don't know how to make this any clearer. Why would I want to redo the surveying of 1000's of moons when it's already been done....what a waste of time.
I'm sure the rest of what you said is correct.
Thank you
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:I hope you are aware that even if those regions are technically not claimed by a 0.0 alliance (being NPC regions), all moons worth mining are claimed by some entity that unofficially claims the area. Same is true for valuable low sec moons. So such data is of very limited usefulness unless you have a large fleet to throw around. Even if the data existed on Dotlan, if you'd go look at every single moon that has goo worth mining (=output value of noticeably more than 200 million ISK a month, rough cost of med tower POS fuel - in other words Dysprosium, Mercury, Neodymium, Platinum, Promethium, Thulium and Technetium) you'll find that they are occupied. Period. In the case of actual valuable goo - Dysprosium, Neodymium, Technetium - you'll also find a fully armed large deathstar POS on site. Funnily Promethium is already so cheap it isn't worth mining with a large tower unless the tower is doing something else as well (Large POS fuel cost is about 400 mil a month, Promethium goo mining is worth 440mil a month). You might find an open moon with something like Caesium, Hafnium or Vanadium that is barely profitable to mine with a small tower (monthly profit in the range of 40-80 million ISK after paying the fuel bill) but those come with a problem; Small towers can be popped like a pinata even by a small fleet and the profits are miniscule compared to the logistics effort. So your request is somewhat pointless, unless you wish to pay for public map of these mid-level moons that probably have a small mining POS on them so you can go around popping them for entertainment. Edit: ah, The 99 Percent. You *are* seeking them in order to cause grief. I wholly approve this idea 
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