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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.01.30 02:34:00 -
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I read a thread on page 3 which was asking about a ratting set-up for a raven and every reply recommended siege launchers.
The raven set-up guide in the sticky thread recommends cruise missiles.
Am I missing something obvious.
I am very new (915k sp) and I bought a raven which I am not nearly ready to equip yet.
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Ecnav
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Posted - 2006.01.30 02:47:00 -
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how did you make money so fast?
im at 3 mil sp and not anywhere NEAR a battleship
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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.01.30 02:52:00 -
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I run 2 accounts.
One of the accounts is and has always beena dedicated miner. Have a retriever on that account now and badger mk II on my main account that I use to haul the ore back.
I make a couple million an hour now. Wasn't always that muc of course but I borrowed some isk from the friend that talked me into playing eve (to buy the raven) and just now finished paying him back.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2006.01.30 03:00:00 -
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It depends on what you're going to fight. Torpedos are no longer the uber pwnall missiles of yesteryear; they are now very much intended for fighting other battleships or for use in assaults of heavy capital ships. Cruise missiles are capable of doing far more damage to battlecruisers and cruisers, though they'll still have trouble with frigates. And of course they'll do full damage to battleships, but less damage than torpedos would.
For an NPCing Raven setup, I'd use Cruise missiles in case you run into cruisers who you won't be able to hurt properly with torps. Use your drones (yes, the Raven has a dronebay, a lot of people seem to forget that  ) for the friggies.
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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.01.30 03:04:00 -
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Would it be really bad to have a mix of siege launchers and cruise launchers?
Say 2 siege and 4 cruise for example?
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Marcus Firehawk
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Posted - 2006.01.30 05:11:00 -
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 Originally by: James Saumerez
Would it be really bad to have a mix of siege launchers and cruise launchers?
Say 2 siege and 4 cruise for example?
Some might disagree but unless you are going to be doing something where you will be facing battleships like lvl 4 mission or npcing in 0.0 I would stick with all cruise. As has been stated above torps are virtually useless against anything smaller than a BS and you won't find any npc BS's in .1 or higher space and the occasional battleship in a lvl 3 mission will fall to 6 cruise launchers just as easy.
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Foulis
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Posted - 2006.01.30 05:32:00 -
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and mate, do me and everyone a favour, get a few more skills before getting in that bs. No insult intended, but she needs more than 1 mill SP to work.
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Kay Han
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Posted - 2006.01.30 07:48:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
and mate, do me and everyone a favour, get a few more skills before getting in that bs. No insult intended, but she needs more than 1 mill SP to work.
well said.
This char (me) only got 3mill sp. my other account many many many more 
And i¦m still not able to fly a Bs. Cause i don¦t have the requiered skills.
Just wait until you have more SP in electronics and engineering (SP?). otherwise you will maybe lose your raven.
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Asurix
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Posted - 2006.01.30 08:36:00 -
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imo don't fly a bs under 5mil
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2006.01.30 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rexthor Hammerfists on 30/01/2006 09:23:28
the golden rul is, dont fly what u cant afford to loose.
equipping a raven with t1 gear and loosing iot costs, when insured, 45m
if u can afford it, buy one - and kit it with cruise missiles
2 heavy nos,
a xlarge shieldbooster 2invul fields one em hardener, one shield amp one cap rech,
and 5 power diagnostics.
or u better change the shield hardener to the rats u gonna fight.
but i, freely, assume u cant easily afford to loose it - and u will loose it one point, then id suggest u to use a carcal or a ferox - and get experience with it while getting the necessary skillpoints
edit, btw - dont even start gunnery skills aside the weapon upgrade one - specialising is ur chance to keep up with the older players ;)
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Leogassia
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Posted - 2006.01.30 10:56:00 -
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Hey,
I was in the same situation as you, i got my Raven with about 1,5mio sp, and i ask arround whats better torps or cruise ?
All pll say Cruise when you dont go against bs, and they say torps are usless against all other ships smaller than BS..
but i still going for torps and it works ok, just atack the frigs when they are at range, when they orbiting you, you may hit with 30dmg from a torp.
I didt have many special skills for torps, only lvl 3 in Torpedos, than i want to test with cruise so i train them to lvl 1.
My test goes so that i found torps more better then cruise, the cruise missiles has about 1sec shorter rof to me, but what is that when you need one more salve to kill a cruiser ?
my cruises was hitting the orbiting frigs for ca 19 dmg, the torps do about 30dmg with 1sec rof delay.
Only bad thing about torps is that it didnt give FoF¦s in game.
sorry for my english
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Yarek Balear
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Posted - 2006.01.30 12:19:00 -
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One of the key things here is to use the correct tool for the correct job.
If you are flying missions, you don't need a raven until you are doing the harder LVL 3s and all Level 4s. Actually using a raven (with cruise or torps) would be worse in level 1s and 2s than using a caracal, because they do less damage than Heavy Missiles against frigates.
Also - agree with the above posters that you shouldn't use a Raven until you have a decent amount of skills and can fit something approximating the following:
High: 6 Siege or 6 Cruise (depending on personal preference - I use siege for NPCing).
Med: 3 Active Hardners (race specific or Invulnerability fields for Angels), XLarge Shield Booster (C-5l minimum or T2 preferably), Shield Boost Amp, Cap recharger or Booster
Low: 5 Power Diag IIs
If you don't have the skills to fit the above, fly a smaller ship and work your way up to the skills to use the above. Train up your missile skills (including all the Bombardment and related skills) to at least lvl3. Then you'll be efficient with the ship and will run less risk of losing it.
Once you are in the Raven with the above skills you'll also need drone skills to help defend you against the pesky frigates.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.30 12:27:00 -
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Torpedos are best for battleships and larger.
Cruises are best for anything smaller.
So basically L3 missions, and 0.1-0.4 ratting, cruise launchers. L4 missions, 0.0 ratting, I'd probably go for a mix. (3/3 cruise/torp). This is, of course, assuming you have sufficient fitting skills to do so.
Be aware though, that your Raven is no were near living up to it's potential with low skillpoints.
It'll probably do more damage than a BC or a cruiser though, regardless of how skilled you are.
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James Saumerez
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: James Saumerez on 30/01/2006 14:08:46
I very much appreciate the replies and I take no offense at being told I lack the skills to properly use this ship. I was fast coming to this sad conclusion myself anyway.
I have to say that of all the MMOs I have played (bunches) this one has the best official forums when it comes to getting info without being flamed. A rare thing.
What I have been doing since buying it is training missile skills while mining and running around in a kestrel. I may go out and buy a caracal after work today. Since I am heading down the missile path anyway I am going to concentrate on flying missile boats (I'd like a manticore eventually also).
I had at one time considered selling the raven and buying a new one a few months down the road when I have better skills but changed my mind.
Thanks again for your time.
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Martinsen
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:14:00 -
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HEy on my raven: 6 sige loucher 2 425 lage guns rels med 3 hardnos 1 lage t2 shill bouster 2 shill boust amp and in low 5 pds =) then you can tank and give dammage rerry good
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: James Saumerez
I have to say that of all the MMOs I have played (bunches) this one has the best official forums when it comes to getting info without being flamed. A rare thing.
Don't worry, it'll happen
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:31:00 -
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I don't know why people act like cruise do so much better damage to frigs and cruisers..
With AFs we're talking 30damage a missile vs. 35dmg, it doesn't matter THAT much. With HACs you may do 20more damage a missile using cruise over torps (cruise launchers have a better ROF).. but if you're fighting battleships it's hard to break their tanks with cruise missiles, especially the higher end ones.. and when they start using defenders? ugh
I use 4 siege and 2 cruise.. but that's mostly because of fitting constraints (damn t2 xl booster) and the use of FOFs.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2006.01.30 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: ErrorS on 30/01/2006 14:38:42
Originally by: Martinsen
HEy on my raven: 6 sige loucher 2 425 lage guns rels med 3 hardnos 1 lage t2 shill bouster 2 shill boust amp and in low 5 pds =) then you can tank and give dammage rerry good
No offense but why do you talk like that?
if it's not your native language, I can understand...and im sorry for asking
translation for English speaking people
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Hey, on my Raven: In the highs, 6 Siege Launchers, Two 425mm Large Rail Guns. In medium slots I use 3 Hardeners, One Large T2 Shield Booster, 2 Shield Boost Amps and in Lows I use 5 PDSs.. then you can tank very well while giving good damage
and I agree this is a killer setup but i don't see how you have enough CPU for all of that.
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Megadon
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Posted - 2006.01.30 15:03:00 -
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Fly a Ferox for a while first. You'll lose your first Raven anyways, most do while they're getting used to it. A Raven is way beyond your capabilities right now.
You really should just focus on finishing your learning skills and getting them out of the way. That'll be about 1.8 - 2 million sp's in learning.
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Crellion
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Posted - 2006.01.30 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Martinsen
HEy on my raven: 6 sige loucher 2 425 lage guns rels med 3 hardnos 1 lage t2 shill bouster 2 shill boust amp and in low 5 pds =) then you can tank and give dammage rerry good
I hope you not lowsec this setup or die giving rerry bad damage to ceptor squad.
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Cutter Slade
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Posted - 2006.01.30 15:56:00 -
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Quote:
Hey, on my Raven: In the highs, 6 Siege Launchers, Two 425mm Large Rail Guns. In medium slots I use 3 Hardeners, One Large T2 Shield Booster, 2 Shield Boost Amps and in Lows I use 5 PDSs.. then you can tank very well while giving good damage
and I agree this is a killer setup but i don't see how you have enough CPU for all of that.
Gave it a try and managed to putt on a BCS when fitting 1 malkuth siege.
Fitting skils all lvl5 and advanced wep. upgr. lvl4
Left with 3.89 PG and 2 cpu. Its a tight fit.
HIGH-SLOTS :
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> [2300 | 52] 425mm Railgun I
> [2300 | 52] 425mm Railgun I
> [1610 | 48] 'Malkuth' Siege Missile Launcher I
> [1610 | 60] Siege Missile Launcher I
> [1610 | 60] Siege Missile Launcher I
> [1610 | 60] Siege Missile Launcher I
> [1610 | 60] Siege Missile Launcher I
> [1610 | 60] Siege Missile Launcher I
MED-SLOTS :
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> [ 165 | 115] Large Shield Booster II
> [ 0 | 50] Shield Boost Amplifier I
> [ 0 | 50] Shield Boost Amplifier I
> [ 0 | 38] Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
> [ 0 | 36] Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I
> [ 0 | 36] Non-Inertial Ballistic Screen Augmentation I
LOW-SLOTS :
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> [ 0 | 15] Power Diagnostic System II
> [ 0 | 15] Power Diagnostic System II
> [ 0 | 15] Power Diagnostic System II
> [ 0 | 15] Power Diagnostic System II
> [ 1 | 35] Ballistic Control System I
Nice damage dealing setup. Even though i prefer the seige II and nos setup with and XL booster.
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Sebastien LeReparteur
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Posted - 2006.01.30 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: James Saumerez
I read a thread on page 3 which was asking about a ratting set-up for a raven and every reply recommended siege launchers.
The raven set-up guide in the sticky thread recommends cruise missiles.
Am I missing something obvious.
I am very new (915k sp) and I bought a raven which I am not nearly ready to equip yet.
Unles you are planing to do lvl 4 with friends maximise the tank of your raven and you can even use a full load of heavy. You'll be able to do all the lvl 3 missions very easy
You could maybe put one crusie missile to pull groups. BUt if you go lvl 4 put cruise missiles and make sure that you fly as far as you can from the TANK you should have time to warp out if the Tank as to flee.
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Auman
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Posted - 2006.01.30 16:48:00 -
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I'd strongly suggest selling the raven and buying a ferox or two. With less than a mil skillpoints you'll have trouble fitting most of the standard raven setups.
Plus you'll have some cash to spend on some nice mods for a ferox ;)
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DazWozUK
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Posted - 2006.01.30 17:19:00 -
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I do lvl4 missions all the time and have always used torps I have;
High 6 x siege launcher II's, 2 x 250mm proto gauss
Med, 1 shield boost amp, 1 large shield boost II, 1 of each type of shield hardner t2
Low 1 ballistic II, 1 CPU II, 4 PDU II's
I also have 7 hammerhead II's in my drone bay.
I can pop everything from BS's to ceptors using my torps although I tend to use my 250mm + drones for anything smaller than a frig.
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velocoraptor
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Posted - 2006.01.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Asurix
imo don't fly a bs under 5mil
I got 8.5mil SP and can only fly gal frig (not t2) and gal cruiser 
And i'm suppose to be fight oriented (no science/mining skills).
Too much learning and support skills, i suppose, but tbh for pve I think a noob can quickly advance to a BS and do lvl3 missions, lvl3-5 plexes and 0.1-0.3 rating to earn some cash. Would prolly work out fine even with 1-2mil SP.
Course if u run into an ebil pc player u prolly toasted
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JohnMcKnight
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Posted - 2006.01.30 18:35:00 -
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I'll have just under 1M SP when I finish cruiser 5 in 2 hours and I was planning on having a Raven, but I got lazy and spent almost no time ratting.
But if I had spent the neccesary time this week ratting I could easily have made the money and had a Raven 2 hours from now. I made 3M isk in 2 hours last night ratting in .3 and .2 in my 'rox and I could have made alot more but I was too lazy to make the 10+ jumps to an area with all .0-.2 systems.
I think rather than telling people not to buy a BS when they dont have a bazillion SP you should tell them to insure it max and to stay out of solo PvP.
Sure you can fly it... and if you stick to ratting you'll do just fine.
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Daivasth
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Posted - 2006.01.30 19:58:00 -
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johnmcknight, do u have any learning skills or support skills? cuse cruiser 5 takes around 1 million SP as it is, and i very much doubt that u can make 3 million in 2 hours when all of ur non-initial SP is in 1 skill...
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Enyata Igoraki
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Posted - 2006.01.30 22:12:00 -
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For 0.0 npcing I use 6xcruise 2xNos, means that you can fit a mwd which helps when collecting loot cans.
Cruise also have much lower fitting reqs, so if you don't have uber fitting skills, then you can still fit a decent setup.
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Larshus Magrus
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Posted - 2006.01.30 22:15:00 -
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I did not jump into my first raven till I has 12M+ skillpoints so my viewpoint might be very different than yours.
For PvE deep 0.0 npc ratting I use 6 arby siege (worked my way up from plain ol tech 1 seige with loot drops) and since last patch 2 tractor beams. I used to use small rails but honestly, with good drone skills, hammerheads *****every frig/cruiser spawn I come across before I can kill the bses with the torps. I don't even bother firing on the frigs/destroyers/cruisers because 5 hammerheads have already killed them by the time i get to them.
Mids I fit a named AB, tech 2 large sb, shield amp, 3 named hardeners (2 kin, 1 thermal for Guir.)
Lows I use a damage control (named) 2 pdus and 2 bcus. You could swap out the damage control for another pdu/bcu but I kinda like the idea of it saving my ass if I get an officer spawn and get in too deep.
How does this setup work? Very well. Chaining tripple 1.85M bs spawns doesnt take me past half shield msot of the time. When it does 2 or 3 boosts and away you go. Never fall lower than half cap for sure.
Officer spawns are harder. I've never had a "great" officer spawn but low level ones are a bit of a challenge. I've never had to run and regroup, but I've thought about it a few times.
BC's die in exactly 2 volleys with seiges. When I get a dread or dire cruiser and the hammerheads need a bit of help finishing it 1 or 2 volleys of sieges are all thats needed. Plus you hit BS's for 400ish per. :)
Torps have a much shorter range than cruise, but since I hate running around collecting loot and the raven is a shield tank beast, I jsut tank everything at 20-30km withing loot tractor beam range :)
Cruises arent nearly as powerful for me. Considering even if i have to kill Cruisers without my drones for some silly reason, it jsut takes one more salvoi with teh torps over the cruises. And you really never half to. Torps do WAY more damage to BS's.
I don't mission much so can't help you there.
PvP fleet cruise are probably better but it depends on if you are killing smaller ships or simply going after BSes. I tend to not use a raven in fleet PvP because they are too expensive for me to replace (mods). Maybe when I'm rich some day I can pvp with one more.
Please remember skills help ALOT. I have millions of SP's in drone, shield, electronics, missile, ect. Hopping into a raven low skilled you will have 1/4th of the tanking ability, and 1/2 of the hitting power at best. Plus you might not be able to fit everything.
Be careful.
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Cheechako
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Posted - 2006.01.30 22:50:00 -
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Yup torps are the way to go in 0.0.
I hated my cruise raven in 0.0 ratting, but then I stuck torps on and a painter, and I do similar dmg to cruisers with torps as with cruise. Also, if any rat does something to increase their sig, they are dead dead dead when a torp hits them.
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