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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2013.10.17 14:59:00 -
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A headline from last year, but it still sounds very intresting. The solution might even work. All the technology is available and not expensive . Read more on TorrentFreak <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2013.10.17 15:21:00 -
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Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:37:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free.
Repeating mainstream propaganda does not make your claims right. It's about parts of the industry trying to control the free flow of information in every country. It's also about slowing down new technology development. Lot of things will change in this century. Some people are just too old to cope with it. I guess evolution will solve the problem, as usual.
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Rhatar Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:37:00 -
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Sounds like an air space disaster waiting to happen tbh |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58413
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:04:00 -
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Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free. Repeating mainstream propaganda does not make your claims right. It's about parts of the industry trying to control the free flow of information in every country. It's also about slowing down new technology development. Lot of things will change in this century. Some people are just too old to cope with it. I guess evolution will solve the problem, as usual.
BS. You want free content and free content only. Nothing propagandistic about that.
And its too late to be worrying about stopping the free flow of information. The NSA has a chokehold already on all of it, and nothing to be done. You are late, as is this entire idea.
Besides, this smacks of having to at least initially set up "sea-steading", which was outlawed by the UN in 1982. So good luck. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1003
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Zhula Guixgrixks wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free. Repeating mainstream propaganda does not make your claims right. It's about parts of the industry trying to control the free flow of information in every country. It's also about slowing down new technology development. Lot of things will change in this century. Some people are just too old to cope with it. I guess evolution will solve the problem, as usual. BS. You want free content and free content only. Nothing propagandistic about that. And its too late to be worrying about stopping the free flow of information. The NSA has a chokehold already on all of it, and nothing to be done. You are late, as is this entire idea. Besides, this smacks of having to at least initially set up "sea-steading", which was outlawed by the UN in 1982. So good luck.
Can you provide a hard link on the UN declaring Sea-Steading Illegal? Curious about it. My google-fu might be weak and besides ample sub samples of proposed sea-steading projects I don-¦t see anywhere it being considered illegal, since even Women on Waves, not only exists, but performs abortions in the Sea "legally" under the flag of the ship (Dutch) they carry women off to plus many other organizations that use the sea for said purposes. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58980
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:14:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:
Can you provide a hard link on the UN declaring Sea-Steading Illegal? Curious about it. My google-fu might be weak and besides ample sub samples of proposed sea-steading projects I don-¦t see anywhere it being considered illegal, since even Women on Waves, not only exists, but performs abortions in the Sea "legally" under the flag of the ship (Dutch) they carry women off to plus many other organizations that use the sea for said purposes.
I'm pretty sure it has to do with claiming a specific location, not something like your examples that involve moving around to where the "work" (for lack of a better word) needs doing.
Also, especially for the purposes of a pirated product, most countries, if any, would probably deny the sovereignty of such entities over that method of economy, and they do have the right to do that. Also, to be recognized as an entity, they would have to make a political affiliation declaration, which could get ticky.
It's in here in both English and Spanish. http://www.un.org/depts/los/convention_agreements/convention_overview_convention.htm
See also how Great Britain handled that "Pirate Radio" incident that became a motion picture called same. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free.
It's really bad how everything needs to be about money. Makes the world that much less interesting. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
59003
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:58:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free. It's really bad how everything needs to be about money. Makes the world that much less interesting.
Are you saying artists should not be paid for their work so they can eat and make more works ? Your comment is a bit vague tbh. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1004
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Posted - 2013.10.21 00:13:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Stealing profits from artistic endeavors is bad, m'kay ?
But feel free to kill the thing you love because you don't want to pay money for it perceive yourself as special snowflake entitled to have all your entertainments as free. It's really bad how everything needs to be about money. Makes the world that much less interesting.
Some people, like Noam Chomsky have vehemently decried the status quo of Money as Artificial, and he has a lot of academic weight to back him up. I find his talks intriguing, and much more real on issues that pertain day to day existence, unlike other "academics".
His dissertations not only outline how Money and Capitalism today (and their Mirror Opposites in the Pseudo-Communist movements of today) are forced concepts that exist solely to enrich some, be them Elites or Governments.
No crackpot conspiracies, no chemtrails nor UFO/Lizardmen, but solid facts derived from logic.
If you believe him or not, I wash my hands off him, for the sake of your argument, but I invite you to hear the "other" side of the story from his lips
Yes, the world of today is Artificial.
Profit as a motivator is a rotten fruit past its prime that we keep eating without knowing why.
My areas of interest differ, but your Argument is a common argument in the youths of today, and it shows how our current way of living is non sustainable or at the very least questioned greatly.
More youths wanting all for "free" is a phenomenon that only glances at the tip of the Iceberg. Reducing it to money is , if a rather simplistic approach, perhaps the best way to begin tackling it.
Fortunately for inquisitive minds, not everything is about profit/money.
Several obscure communities, mostly in Latinamerica (the ones I am more knowledgeable of) have begun veering from the common path of "Money". Some of them living off the garbage of others, others surviving in self-sustained colonies. Early prototypes of a possible future or a "hippy dream". Only time will tell.
Keep questioning money friend.
Chavez had all the money in the world at his disposal, a country full of Oil and a cadre of loyal and loving supporters.
He is now rotting, in a coffin, like all of us will in the future. Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:22:00 -
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Brujo, you really have got some crazy in you. Good read though.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Are you saying artists should not be paid for their work so they can eat and make more works ? Your comment is a bit vague tbh.
I'm perfectly aware the matters at hand are quite complex. There's a whole economic system that has to be sustained so everyone can get paid for their work etc.
On the other hand, I have a problem with how everything gets reduced to being about money and/or profit. If an artist makes a great piece of art it's only because he's looking to make money. really? All the music and paintings and poems and movies... Which is more important: that everyone pays the artists so that the economic system is at work 100% OR that the art they produce is available to everyone, so that it can stimulate people's minds and maybe spark some thought and/or emotion in their dull little heads?
The point is, the economic system of our society requires money to be a part of pretty much everything - but should it be? And is money really all the artists care about? Is money the more important thing here? |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
59049
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Posted - 2013.10.21 11:41:00 -
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I guess musicians should be happy to just sing for their supper, literally, and be done with it.
For millenia, any kind of trade involved the exchange of goods or a currency representing such goods has been standard practice. Be it an actual monetary system or barter.
One or the other has to be in place. Trade goods or a monitored currency. Period. Final.
What's the sudden issue and problem with this ?
If people seem in a more desperate scramble than usual, have you checked out the price of housing lately ??? Mortgage companies do not take apple pies as payment. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:07:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I guess musicians should be happy to just sing for their supper, literally, and be done with it.
I'm not even stating an absolute truth here. Just saying there's more to things than money and profit. It's complicated and it's silly to think that there's an easy answer. There's at least two sides to this and it would be preferable to understand all sides (like in most things).
I'll give you an example from the grey area: There's this industrial metal band from my home town. They've got some fans outside of Finland but they haven't really achieved world recognition which means they're not exactly rich like some other artists.
They were, at one time, having some trouble with their publisher so they just went "We're releasing our new album, you can download it for free here [link] and if you'd prefer to pay for the album, you can order it here [link]" on their website.
So, while this was definitely them giving the finger to their publisher, it also shows they don't care so much about the money. They just want people to enjoy their music. Some people get it for free and some people pay for it, which is also the case with many "pirates". Even though music and other forms of art/entertainment are available to them for free, they choose to pay for it in order to support the artists.
This industrial metal band in question also happens to be a great live band and it's how they make their money. And the thing is, you can't download the experience of going to a live show.
The point: this isn't black and white. While money is a great power in human society, it cannot be all there is. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
59079
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:00:00 -
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Bischopt wrote: The point: this isn't black and white. While money is a great power in human society, it cannot be all there is.
Your alternative, and only alternative, is a barter System.
Pick one. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Bischopt
Arbitrary Repossession
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Posted - 2013.10.21 14:20:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bischopt wrote: The point: this isn't black and white. While money is a great power in human society, it cannot be all there is.
Your alternative, and only alternative, is a barter System. Pick one.
You're looking at this from a purely economical point of view. Step outside of that for a moment, question your own way of thinking just for a little bit (...then revert back to it).
Try a human point of view. Money and monetary value is just a made up thing. That's good to remember sometimes. |
Alara IonStorm
5404
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Posted - 2013.10.21 15:22:00 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:Noam Chomsky I just listened to him speak for a few hours on some current events. I do like his constant discussion about the various hypocrisies of west and especially how they effect foreign governments, I have heard a lot about what he said before and don't think they are discussed enough in the mainstream.
My major criticism hearing what he has to say is that he seems to gloss over a lot of non US centric problems by pivoting back to the US in discussions. For instance "they did this here, what do you think this means?" and he answers "ah but the US did some other crime here." Meanwhile he delves in deep at the purported reasons behind what the US does whilst dodging everything else.
I've never been fond of the equivalency argument. I am more then happy to talk about what one group does wrong or the other but he seems to band-aid the rest of the world with US criticism whilst trying very hard to avoid criticizing anyone else.
Most of the criticism of the US I read from average people on the internet has been ridiculous to say the least and that is the primary reason I like what I have seen from him. He keeps to facts, doesn't go off on secret plots and sheeple talk, and generally tells it like he sees it from actual evidence. The US needs more of that smart criticism levied against it, I just wish it didn't come so wrapped in apologist for everyone else.
I guess you would be driven to adopt such a defensive attitude in US criticism though since the Western Dominance opinion is so prevalent and the non democratic oppressive actions (especially in non violent-politics) of the US overseas is not talked about much.
Of course that's just my opinion which is very, very amateur. |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1008
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:30:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Brujo Loco wrote:Noam Chomsky I just listened to him speak for a few hours on some current events. I do like his constant discussion about the various hypocrisies of west and especially how they effect foreign governments, I have heard a lot about what he said before and don't think they are discussed enough in the mainstream. My major criticism hearing what he has to say is that he seems to gloss over a lot of non US centric problems by pivoting back to the US in discussions. For instance "they did this here, what do you think this means?" and he answers "ah but the US did some other crime here." Meanwhile he delves in deep at the purported reasons behind what the US does whilst dodging everything else. I've never been fond of the equivalency argument. I am more then happy to talk about what one group does wrong or the other but he seems to band-aid the rest of the world with US criticism whilst trying very hard to avoid criticizing anyone else. Most of the criticism of the US I read from average people on the internet has been ridiculous to say the least and that is the primary reason I like what I have seen from him. He keeps to facts, doesn't go off on secret plots and sheeple talk, and generally tells it like he sees it from actual evidence. The US needs more of that smart criticism levied against it, I just wish it didn't come so wrapped in apologist for everyone else. I guess you would be driven to adopt such a defensive attitude in US criticism though since the Western Dominance opinion is so prevalent and the non democratic oppressive actions (especially in non violent-politics) of the US overseas is not talked about much. Of course that's just my opinion which is very, very amateur.
We all are Amateurs, this is a spaceship pew pew forum
As I said before, once you start listening to him, you can see he doesn-¦t spout any kind of weird crackpot conspiracy like most other "academics" LOOOOVE to shout around.
The fact you support him or not, or give him full credence or not, is irrelevant to the INFORMATION and "critique" you succinctly point out he gives on various topics.
That-¦s why we need to hear people like him, a full other side view of current events instead of the circus , specially on the internet, these themes have become.
Food for thought is what he gives, you can discard it, munch it, nibble it, vomit it or plain digest it. He has been doing that for AGES, but other persons, that love to portray themselves as saviors in crusades of their own imagining that tweet/instagram/social media spread their beliefs, yes, they obviously get more media attention (and even become MEMES) , and instead of giving you food they just throw custard pies at you in the never-ending media-circus we are being forced to watch only to make us more distracted and instead focus on the parlor tricks, witty one liners and awesome feeling of being part of the "counter-culture" in the most passive way possible.
You could almost .... (/tinfoil hat) THINK it is done on purpose .... (/tinfoil hat off)
But glad you listened to him, he has some talks on youtube that could literally entrance you for hours, but I discovered him during the Venezuelan Debacle.
He just foresaw everything that happened there, by the sheer power of ... LOGICAL THOUGHT, you know, that strange Magick Spell where one idea , based on facts and observation of the environment can be used to create a series of probable events that portray very possible outcomes, that stuff is HARD, I tell you, must be Demonic in nature, and I know it might lead, if the Demonic Pacts and Blood Sacrifices you do in the Forbidden Altars are good enough to SOUND CRITICAL THINKING.
Such magic is obviously powerful, and I want to learn its secrets, hence why I listen to him, I WANT THAT MAGIC!
Cheers!
Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6456
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Posted - 2013.10.21 22:14:00 -
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Its a nice thought, but as everyone is Eve knows, when left to their own devices, drones rarely do what you want them to do. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Cuddle Monster
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective STR8NGE BREW
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:41:00 -
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I feel like this conversation is being far too focused on what TPB is electing to use this technology on versus what it could be used for moving forward. Just as this article mentions in closing that the plans they use will be freely downloadable.
The ability to create a truly ungoverned network for communication around the planet has great value. This of course isn't going to be the step needed to make that dream come true but it certainly could be the first of many to make that happen.
I see piracy a little bit differently than most. I see that sector of life as a breeding ground for new emerging technology and ideas. Much in the same way as **** drives new technology as well. It is a cat and mouse game and out of it sparks a lot of creativity in my mind. I am not saying it is good but it is something that will never change. As long as there is a way to get something of value for free there will be a person desperate enough to try. |
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