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Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 20:37:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Thank you for the clairification. Now I can lean back and enjoy POS owner tears as they now have to do more than stop by once a week to spend 3 minutes interacting with their ISK printing press.  The issue here is that there are only two real forms of alliance income: moons, and renters. Renters have lead to a terribly boring 0.0 where every few months we relentlessly sodomize N3, who then retreats back to their bad space that's all rented out. All this does is make renters even more necessary, which makes it even more necessary to own all the bad regions to rent them out instead of those serving as alliance incubators.
Whoa.. Easy there.. This thread is supposed to be about the siphoning.. Not extolling us with your imaginary epeen..
CCP has made lots of changes over the years that have pissed off loads of people for different reasons.. This is a welcome change for us folks that choose not to ride the sheeple bandwagon..
Thumbs up for once CCP. Looking forward to the progression of the moon siphoning..
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Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 21:53:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:Look, here's the deal. Based on your own assumptions, it seems like you are the kind of player you keep talking about when you refer to "little guys" practicing "economic warfare." It seems like you don't have much experience playing with sizable groups of other players, and you may or may not have experience in nullsec at all. If you did have experience in nullsec, you'd know that:
- There's already room for small gangs to conduct economic warfare in hostile space. This is done by hunting and killing ratters, industrialists, random travelers, and basically anything else that floats through space alone or in small numbers. It can also be accomplished by doing nasty things like relisting: buying up in-demand commodities in nullsec stations (in their entirety where possible) and re-listing them at higher prices, forcing people to overpay for their ships and gear and funneling that profit into your own wallet.
- Nobody is going to hang around for days at a time in hopes of possibly catching some hostile in a blockade runner that's come to loot a siphon: it's absolutely not worth doing, since you can easily retrieve your stuff from the siphon and then destroy it rather than spending ~48 hours in a Sabre poopsocking a structure, hoping that you'll be watching the screen at the exact moment some fool decloaks their hauler for 3 seconds to do a drive-by pickup. It's seriously not going to happen. The spergiest of spergs can sometimes be motivated to camp things for days at a time in hopes of a cap or supercap kill, but nobody is going to bother to do so over a possible Prowler kill.
- Have you ever even been to nullsec? Let me give you a clue: your average nullsec resident is not very situationally aware. Someone running around planting siphons is just one more hostile drifting through a region: ratters will safe up momentarily until you leave, then go back to ratting. I've moved supercaps through null without being noticed, to think this won't be possible with a blockade runner dropping modules that leave no overt traces is ridiculous.
- This siphon proposal doesn't involve any "gameplay" at all: your use of that term in this discussion is overly-generous to CCP. Pushing a module out of your ship isn't gameplay any more than anchoring a drag bubble is. It's the stuff that happens as a result of anchoring a drag bubble that constitutes gameplay: siphons make no such promises.
1. There's always room for more economic warfare opportunities for the small gangs.. Get over it. 2. Nobody expects you to 'hang' around for days.. So it goes.. You lose some of your passive income. Find another revenue stream if you don't like it. 3. Don't pretend you're the Encyclopedia of nullsec.. The moon syphoning is another game mechanic you will need to accept and deal with instead of bitching about it. 4. your drag bubble analogy isn't accurate either. I shouldn't have to explain it for you further. |

Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:36:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Icesail wrote:
Thumbs up for once CCP. Looking forward to the progression of the moon siphoning..
I take it you are also looking forward to the spin offs of syphoning, eg; increased prices, lower supply levels??
It will all level out, just like every other expansion that we've seen. No need to scream "the sky is falling" .. The game needs a shake up.
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Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.21 23:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Icesail wrote:Weaselior wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Thank you for the clairification. Now I can lean back and enjoy POS owner tears as they now have to do more than stop by once a week to spend 3 minutes interacting with their ISK printing press.  The issue here is that there are only two real forms of alliance income: moons, and renters. Renters have lead to a terribly boring 0.0 where every few months we relentlessly sodomize N3, who then retreats back to their bad space that's all rented out. All this does is make renters even more necessary, which makes it even more necessary to own all the bad regions to rent them out instead of those serving as alliance incubators. Whoa.. Easy there.. This thread is supposed to be about the siphoning.. Not extolling us with your imaginary epeen.. CCP has made lots of changes over the years that have pissed off loads of people for different reasons.. This is a welcome change for us folks that choose not to ride the sheeple bandwagon.. Thumbs up for once CCP. Looking forward to the progression of the moon siphoning.. yeah screw you goons siphons for everyone
Wow.. there you go again.. The lot of you.. This isn't about you.. It's about the moon siphoning.. Go play another game if it upsets you that much.. It's only a game.. |

Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.23 18:58:00 -
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With all this bitching and moaning on both ends of the stick, this initial addition of siphoning to the game will have little effect to garnering more interaction via pvp.. It does however give those with moons an opportunity to over inflate the price. Given that we currently don't know what current stockpile that the majority moon holders have. The prices could already be over inflated because they're sitting on it. Even if someone drops a siphon on a pos, it takes only from the harvesting array. Not the silo (which would be A LOT more interesting which would justify the complaining in this forum). If any group that will take advantage of this first iteration of moon goo siphoning, it will be the large alliances that have the resources to flood the eve world with the siphons on their enemies.. I won't benefit from siphons this time but I hope CCP moves it in a direction going forward to actually benefit the small groups. I know that I was excited to first hear of guerrilla warfare and siphoning but it certainly isn't as grandiose as they would like you to believe.. CCP's idea of guerrilla warfare is weak as well.. |

Icesail
Applied Agoraphobia Sinewave Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.23 19:53:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Icesail wrote:I won't benefit from siphons this time but I hope CCP moves it in a direction going forward to actually benefit the small groups. I know that I was excited to first hear of guerrilla warfare and siphoning but it certainly isn't as grandiose as they would like you to believe.. CCP's idea of guerrilla warfare is weak as well.. The threadnaught on this is pretty big, so you can easily miss the part where CCP indicates that it does not classify this mobile unit as part of any "guerilla warfare". They mostly were referring to the warp accerlation and speed changes as well as the mobile cyno jammer unit.
I caught it in the post from CCP. I was pointing out that I as well as others thought it was going to be part of guerrilla warfare when it was first announced. I was disappointed when they said otherwise. Ultimately the first iteration of the siphoning is a minor nuisance to some and a waste of time for making isk. One can only hope that CCP does better on the progression of this potentially game changing addition.
The 2 additions for guerrilla warfare are weak. CCP, shake it up instead of the little girls fart you're currently giving us! |
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