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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:16:00 -
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Hey guys, you know how pos mechanics suck? Why not make them worse?
SOUNDS GREAT.
When are we getting those improved POS's again? Right after walking in stations, right? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
449
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:22:00 -
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CCP Legion wrote:Once this is out we will be keeping an eye on how players use it, both via feedback here and metrics that we gather. We can then rebalance it accordingly to make sure it is not completely unbalanced or if it is used as a pure griefing tool for example. There are a lot of values which we can tweak relatively easily as required.
Oh yes, minor rebalancing. Awesome. CCP's new catch phrase.
I mean, pos guns, those need rebalancing. You'll do it right after that, right? It only took a full year of tech problems before you rebalanced that. Or Titan guns. Or Dominion sov. Or Faction Warfare. Or Level 4 missions...
Yes, rebalancing. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:28:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:this one mod is the single greatest anti-blue donut mechanic i have ever seen.
the fact that the large pos alliances are extreamly upset that they will actually have to monitor thier isk faucet makes me very happy.
Sadly, we're also the ones that will benefit the most on the 'free isk' faucet of the increased cost of goo. And the reactions that will go up in price too. You'll just get higher t2 costs down the road. So sure, if you want to pay more for t2 stuff with no benefit, it's awesome for you. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:43:00 -
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This actually hurts small operations way worse.
1. Find 1 man reaction/moon mining corp. 2. Find out his schedule, go to sleep, when he wakes up. 3. Wait for him to sleep. 4. You now have a timer to drop, and rescoop when it's done.
Reality, this hurts the small guy way more on an individual level. Because it's without risk if you know the guy's schedule. And while he's sitting in pos, waiting for someone to drop a siphon, he's not really playing eve, is he? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:03:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Smaller alliances and corps don't own moons. Some exception here and there
A lot of smaller alliances and corps do run reactions though. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Kismeteer wrote:This actually hurts small operations way worse.
1. Find 1 man reaction/moon mining corp. 2. Find out his schedule, go to sleep, when he wakes up. 3. Wait for him to sleep. 4. You now have a timer to drop, and rescoop when it's done.
Reality, this hurts the small guy way more on an individual level. Because it's without risk if you know the guy's schedule. And while he's sitting in pos, waiting for someone to drop a siphon, he's not really playing eve, is he? You actually think there are a lot of small 1man corps mining expensive moons in Null? Now in low sec you'll see more of them, but they'll be doing alchemy... which at least currently is not affected. In fact, they should greatly benefit.
Who said anything about Null? Sure, it can be null. It can be [strike]high[/strike] low sec too, if you're dead-ending any simple reaction.
e: meant to say low sec, oops. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:08:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:You are in a small corp so you'd know all about it.
We know all about griefing small corporations. Your 33 man corp operate from 1400 to 2100, exclusively. Lots of time if we find one of your moons doing reactions. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
452
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:11:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:if you have renters in each contilation they will spend the majority of said time you know doing what null bears do and that is rat.
more people = more targets = more regular pvp...
though our definition of pvp is different does pvp to you means only giant sov blob grinds?
Yeah, shooting ratters, quality pvp there. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:they don't need any kind of protection to be set up and there is no fixed time where they can be emptied
Sounds like a great way to get lots of pvp. Drop in a rookie ship that costs nothing, wait 20 hours, come back with a hauler and maybe scoop a full load of material! yay pvp! |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:48:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote:But that leads me to another question: why should any of us believe that you're delivering honest feedback? You've publicly expressed that you're members of the Economic Warfare Goon committee, so since that's your purpose anyway, where do you think your credibility comes from? Authoritarian speaking? Threats?
I'm not a member of whatever committee you think I'm a part of, and who said this was just spinning? I'm speaking for myself. I don't help people in the Linux subforum to recruit scam people or push an agenda beyond 'Use Linux', for instance. And any credibility I have is based on my ideas, generally.
There are so many broken mechanics in eve already. Why introduce another one that is even more broken? The warp speed change I think is pretty awesome, and might kill null sec ratting as a whole, but it should be fun at least. But what else is in this expansion?
I'm the one who thinks that moon goo should just go to PI anyway, **** all POS's.
Want to make it easier for small entities to get into null sec? Fix sov warfare and make logistics easy for people. Want to make it possible for a group to 'fit' in smaller space? Fix null sec. Want to fix 'free money' from moons? Get rid of moons. Want to fix risk/reward? Address level 4 missions rewards. Want to make POS's better? Revamp them already, that was promised years ago. Players cooped your broken system and explioted it? Give them tools to do it correctly. We've had 'coalitions' from the beginning of eve, but zero help from CCP actually implementing treaties or anything like that.
All of these things could be what CCP is working on. Instead, they are doing additions like this. Every time we've heard some high sec player say 'Oh this will fix the blue donut!', like the moon rebalancing, has just made it worse. CCP has continually RAISED the bar to enter 0.0, not lowered it. It is very expensive, time and effort and isk wise, to put up even a single pos, not to mention take a system and/or station.
So address the fundamental problem rather than skirting it for literally years, saying 'we'll do tweaks' when these tweaks never happen. |
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Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:54:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:so anyone know if the market for pos guns has gone up?
You have plenty of PG to fit guns on pos's, actually. We just normally don't put them up because why give something for people to shoot at? |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:38:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:Only use I could possibly see for this is during an invasion where you have presence in the system, and want to squeeze every last bit of blood out of your opponent.
Yeah, we would NEVER do this to an enemy we're invading to make their stuff dry up. But :qq: goons are crying, point and laugh.
It's a broken mechanic. Even if it just further enables us to take over your region because you can't pay for it because lol your moons. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:54:00 -
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For all those thinking that 'lol they'll have to check their towers', sure, we can do that. We have 10,000 other people to help too. And it can be anyone in our coalition too. It's not like jumping into system and dscanning is hard, especially with the interceptor changes.
Or we can just pay people to drop these, for nearly nothing, on different groups and then hot drop them when they're killing them. But if they use pos guns, and only controlling MAX 5 guns, that would take some time. And we know people hate grinding structures, but we generally love it.
It's a bad implementation and CCP should feel bad. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 11:55:00 -
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In response to these siphons, the price of all moon goo has gone up.
Thanks everyone for even more free isk. |
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