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Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:48:00 -
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Not going to get involved with the main debate, but just wanted to mention:
If a Siphon has 100k EHP, they're going to be really annoying to kill with anything but POS guns. So the idea that people who "use their space" will be protected is not really effective. Most members of the corp/alliance that has the moon are not able to use the POS guns (both permissions, and the anchoring 5 requirement to train the skill).
So if a guy sees a siphon on one of his alliance towers and wants to get rid of it, they'd have to shoot the thing for almost 2 minutes even with a high-dps BS or T3 BC. Much longer with a ship that someone might fly as a roaming patrol. That's a pretty annoying chore when they can be pooped out by the dozen.
With the things costing 10mil and being incredibly spammable, I'd hope you go with the very low side of that proposed EHP. If the idea is to promote nullsec alliances having better cooperation and "living in their space", it's dumb to make them into bricks that need to be shot with POS guns to clear. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:12:00 -
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xttz wrote:We are actually in by far the best position, in that we have a bunch of newbies who will run around finding and killing these things for a bounty. Can smaller alliances and corps say that?
Also we just finished a moon scan of the damn close to the whole of Eve, and know where all the moons are. Such as the ones in other people's space. Our Blops guys won't even have to fly around to find towers to put them on. They can just go directly to all the r64s.
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:I can't decide which I love more; the moon siphon itself or all the Goon tears it's generating. :D
Hey CCP, you should introduce more things that will wreck the game and make it easier for GSF put the rest of nullsec over a barrel. Goon tears! Goons tears! They cry when the game gets more boring! twisted twisted twisted |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:45:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:
Nice "Leave Brittany Alone!" post there.
If, in a game of three hundred thousand players, nobody else is doing what you're thinking of, that's probably because it is extremely dumb.
Exception: Rule does not apply if you are Xttz
mynnna wrote:
As has been stated half a dozen times in the thread, POS guns
But dey POS guns can shoot me! If dey shoot me I might die, good lord. I never been anywhere dat someone mi' shoot me before!
Save me, save me! Pray save me from dem POS guns Br'er Rabbit! |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:19:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:
you know goons should stop putting thier alts in GSF... that way you can post with a npc alt so people will take you seriously...
so please dont post with your main.
We prefer to post with our real GS characters. We do it so that when we're right, we can be openly smug about how right we were.
Especially when we post about things that are stupidly abusable, which we go on to abuse to the maximum extent possible, and everyone else complains grrr Goons. "We told you so" smug is the best smug. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:23:00 -
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The dumbest thing about this is that siphons were originally proposed (by Jade Constantine, no less!) as a way for small gang PVPers to force fights from larger alliances that usually just ignore irritants that doesn't threaten sov. You'd use a siphon and the big guys would get a "someone's stealing your moongoo" alert, and they'd be forced to assemble a gang to go deal with it.
That original idea had problems from timezone issues. But this implementation will see zero fights over siphons. Zero. They can be dropped by a cloaky covops, they'll be killed by solo semi-AFK drone boats (hover your domi 10 meters outside the pos shield and let heavies do the work) .
So an idea that was about generating more PVP has become a boringly safe annoyance. Even if (that's a big IF) it's successful at harming the sprawling goon empire, it will do so is the most tedious way possible. GSF will tire of upkeep on the moons of Delve and sell the region to Russians or something. Pubbies will cheer at Goons being forced to retreat. 6 months from now, after the excitement has worn off, siphons will only be used by those more interested in grief than profit. Another dull feature in an increasing dull game that continually de-emphasizes it's sole exciting feature, PVP. |
Klyith
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.18 05:15:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:It just occurred to me but this shyphon unit in principle reminds me of people who ninja salvage wrecks in high sec.
and the fact that people in null sec are somewhat upset about it just spews irony.
Nope, they're quite different.
When I show up in your L4 mission and start stealing wrecks, it's because I'm daring you to fight me. I just stole your lunch money, and while you sputter in spergy rage I'm standing there with my chin out, saying Take your best shot. Of course if you actually hit me you know it'll end badly for you, so you do nothing. But you could. I'm there with my criminal flag, just daring you to get into a fight for once in your life. Very Tyler Durden-esque.
These siphons are nothing like that. Nothing about how they work requires or even invites a fight. They're a flaming bag of dog poo left on my front step, and you rang the doorbell and ran away to hide. When I open the door an see this sad little prank bag. Do I stomp on it, getting hot dogshtt all over my shoe? No, I grab a trashbasket and drop it upside down to smother the fire, then take it to the trash on the curb. A pathetic kid's attempt to rile me up.
Meanwhile, there are about a thousand other goons heading to the houses of people we don't like, and they've got trashbags full of human fecal matter and gasoline. Don't get in a poop war with Goonfleet. |
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