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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:38:00 -
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Loving the tears here. Now POS owners will actually have to be in their space expending considerable effort to maintain their holdings.
Own a few regions worth of moons? Better have the manpower and will to check them each day every day. It should never have required less.
Well done CCP.  |
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:51:00 -
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Laendra wrote: that we are going to use our vast infrastructure and playerbase to DECIMATE moon production everywhere in EVE....for everyone.
Excellent, can't wait to see it happen..... and partake a bit myself. 
Content for everyone! |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:32:00 -
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Change is good. More tears for the tear throne.
The amount of goon ship toasting in this thread is a wonderful indicator of things to come. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:48:00 -
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Tippia wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Change is good. Not really, no. Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.
Nothing about this change is bad. Most of the worthwhile moons in the game are owned by two(?) powerblocks. They want to use their resources to **** with each other? Good, not like that hasn't happened before. 
The only thing that changed is that the rest of eve can now partake in moon conflicts. Follow the money. A convenient "value of regions" chart that shows the main cause of the last big war.
The smaller entities don't really have significant assets that are at risk from these siphons. Goons do (see the aforementioned chart  ). They have no recourse. What are they gonna do, siphon N3's moons? What do I care. Hence all the shiptoasting in this thread.
This is a good change. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:44:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:The question I have is, why does the most successful fight generator out there with probably the most fair mechanics have to be modified?
AHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAAAAAAHAHAhahaahha
HAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAAHAHAahahahahha...
*gasp*
*wheeze*
Oh man....that was good....
Yeah no, it was such a good mechanic it was listed as one of the most problematic aspects of eve in more CSM minutes and notes than I would care to count for years on end.
It was so fair and balanced that it had to be nerfed repeatedly, and entire new mechanics (alchemy) had to be created around it.
Nice try, and enjoy the new competition. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:08:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Harry Forever wrote:
nice those bitter goon tears, please go on...
Ah, good, there we g--oh wait, this one doesn't count. Can we get someone else to come up with a "goon tears" post for this page please? Harry Forever says "goon tears" to alarm clocks, ringing phones, and barking dogs.
Ask and ye shall receive.
Every time a goon cries in this thread, Chuck Norris adopts an animal-shelter kitten. Please continue crying, and cry gratuitously. Together we can prevent a tragedy. |
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
If they were the features wouldn' be released in an abuseably broken manner.
But they aren't, and thus we can have fun.
GOON TEARRSSSSSSSSS
Curious, how do the goons plan on abusing this feature when the CFC holds most of the valuable moons? What are you gonna do, mass siphon N3? See if anyone cares, their moons don't hold a candle to yours.
No one else has sufficiently large siphon-able assets. This is gonna be FUN. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:33:00 -
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Mmmmm.....Relevant. |
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Posted - 2013.10.19 01:27:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:EI Digin wrote:The question I have is, why does the most successful fight generator out there with probably the most fair mechanics have to be modified? AHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAAAAAAHAHAhahaahha HAHAHAHHAAAAHHAAAHAHAahahahahha... *gasp* *wheeze* Oh man....that was good.... Yeah no, it was such a good mechanic it was listed as one of the most problematic aspects of eve in more CSM minutes and notes than I would care to count for years on end. It was so fair and balanced that it had to be nerfed repeatedly, and entire new mechanics (alchemy) had to be created around it. Nice try, and enjoy the new competition. POS RF mechanic is so unfair. 
Show me on the doll where you think the mean siphon will touch you. |
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Posted - 2013.10.22 19:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:HmmGǪ 30 pages of Goon Tears and no additional dev response. 
FTFY.
The last 30 pages have mostly been a CFC whine and cheese reception. Page by page, every page.
Geee, I wonder why the entity that holds most of the valuable moons would be opposed to a nerf leveled squarely at moon holders.
TBH, it reminds me of all the PL and Raiden tears on the forums after the Super nerf. Man, the nerf bat's a bich, aint it? |
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.23 01:27:00 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Tippia wrote:HmmGǪ 30 pages of Goon Tears and no additional dev response. FTFY.The last 30 pages have mostly been a CFC whine and cheese reception. Page by page, every page. Geee, I wonder why the entity that holds most of the valuable moons would be opposed to a nerf leveled squarely at moon holders. TBH, it reminds me of all the PL and Raiden tears on the forums after the Super nerf. Man, the nerf bat's a bich, aint it? 30 pages of whining?? I've been following this thread pretty closely and only seen a few posts from a couple of different goons. None of which was complaining about the mechanic and why would they it is only going to make their moons more valuable. Goons won't be targeted in any major way by syphons. I still believe syphons should require the person running it to be online, in system and uncloaked. Thieves should not simply be handed the win by spending 10 mil isk, there should be some risk involved (aside from losing the 10 mil isk)
Yeah, bull. Page 63 -> 9 CFC posts, Page 62 -> 7 CFC posts, Page 61 -> 8 CFC posts, Page 60 -> 7 CFC posts.
And on and on it continues. If you can't see it, then you should get your eyes checked.
30-40% of all the posts in this thread are made by members of the CFC, and the vast majority of the "negative feedback" is coming from CFC members.
If siphons should require the person anchoring them to be online, so should all moon harvesters, refineries, research labs labs, CSAA's, and anything else you can anchor on a pos. That idea is bad and you should feel bad. Also, the CFC have most of the moons worth siphoning, so they absolutely will be targeted, as there's (almost) no one else to siphon. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Varius Xeral wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Confirming trial alts logged out at POSes reduces the number of people to peeveepee.
There is a clear optimal solution to having your towers siphoned, and it doesn't involve real people wasting their time flying from POS to POS to POS. It is also probably the worst example of pointless timewaster mechanic CCP has implemented so far.
Nailed it. There's some chaps who love timewaster mechanics. Structure shoots Reinforcement timers Blueballing
Cognitive dissonance is an amazing thing. Anytime changes to mechanics are suggested, you throw a fit if that suggestion doesn't include timers.
And here, on the one hand you say that Siphons will be ineffectual because they'll be easily countered by an army of alts. On the other hand, you say the same ineffectual siphons will cut into moon goo supply making you wealthier. Lol.
Grasping at straws much? |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
Trolling. Or doublethink. Whichever makes you feel most comfortable ignoring whatever is posted by a goon
I do hope the larger siphons can be stronted. This expansion will be so much fun. Winter is coming. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.27 22:24:00 -
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TL;DR of the last 60 pages:
CFC doesn't like it when people can steal their moon goo. :shocking: |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:19:00 -
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Falin Whalen wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:TL;DR of the last 60 pages:
CFC doesn't like it when people can steal their moon goo. :shocking: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! You haven't read the last ~60 pages then. The perpetually dim, such as yourself, are bleating, "Goon tears." Actual Goons are stating that this is the greatest griefing tool since remote doomsdays. 10% of moongoo will go poof raising moongoo prices, and since we have the largest player base in null, and most of the best moons(and largest stockpile of moongoo as well), we stand to gain the most from this little wonder toy than anybody else. What do we care that a few people will actually steal a few pennies from our pocket, when millions will flow into our pockets daily, from the very people bleating about "Goon tears." Please continue to bleat, "Goon tears," while you line our pockets with ISK when you buy anything T2.
On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent.
On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything.
Cognitive dissonance much? |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:29:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:On the one hand you guys say this change will do nothing, that your colossal manpower and alts will render these siphons impotent. On the other hand you say that these same impotent siphons will raise prices, even though they are "impotent," and won't accomplish anything. Cognitive dissonance much? Newsflash, the CFC doesn't have a single hive mind. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and those opinions may differ.
So what you're saying is that no one actually knows how these changes will play out, and we should maybe see how they work on the live server before making unnecessary changes?
I can live with that. |
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:39:00 -
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Ah yes, the mythological small-entity moon miner. Much like the fabled unicorn of olde. It's simply heartwarming to see all of the larger moon mining entities rise up to the defense of the little man.
And of course, these small-entity moon miners control the most valuable of low sec moons and would naturally be the first targets of so-called griefers, unlike all of the big entities which content themselves with the more worthless moons. You lot are truly magnanimous. |
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:05:00 -
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Omega Flames wrote:
*wonders when I became mythological..does this mean I get to use Zeus's thunderbolt?
go wander around lowsec for a few jumps and you will find this mythological guy isn't as rare as you imply
How many dyspro moons are held by small lowsec entities? How many dyspro moons are held by the larger entities? What about other R64's? Yeah, exactly.
Many small entities do indeed run complex reactions in lowsec, but those aren't affected by these particular siphons. If and when siphons are introduced that do have an effect on reaction arrays, then those siphons can be adjusted as necessary.
If you think people are going to siphon R8 moons held by the little guy instead of siphoning R64 moons held by the big guys, you need to have your head examined.
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Yup. And this is exactly why this change will end up benefiting the power bloc alliances. Cause they are the ones that live in the space where their moons are~~~
Truly, their concern for the little guy is touching. |
PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:53:00 -
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Zakhin Desver wrote:
I have said it several times. Banning syphons from lowsec means problem solved for little alliances. Rebalance the moongoo in lowsec in case there is any problem (but it shouldn't be)
I agree, It is important to protect the lowsec R32 and R64 assets of small entities like pandemic legion. |
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Posted - 2013.10.29 18:45:00 -
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Honestly I wouldn't worry about your cadmium or caesium moons. Running the numbers as they currently are, it would take 2+ days of operation just for a single siphon to break even. No one's going to bother, at least not after the initial rush to try the new Rubicon features wears off.
Siphoning dyspro moons, on the other hand, becomes profitable after a matter of hours. And that's on a per siphon basis, you can make a pretty considerable bank from siphoning a few dyspro moons for just under a day. With a handful of siphons on the right moons, you could easily clear a few hundred mil a day, and that assumes regular loss of siphon units.
And if what the goons say is true about prices going up, well...
Simply put, low value lowsec moons won't be targeted, at least after the initial wave wears off because they won't be worth it. Dyspro, Prom, and Neo moon holders need to worry. Complex reactions can't be hit by siphons. For everyone else, no one will bother. |
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:58:00 -
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Hell, the goons can siphon every other moon in the game as long as I can siphon me their dyspro, prom, and neo.
Goons: "We'll steal all your dirt!"
Everyone Else: "K mate, we'll just help ourselves to some of your gold."
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PotatoOverdose
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Posted - 2013.11.03 06:59:00 -
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Meh, pushing the price and volume up, you may as well not bother releasing it at all. Consider that all it takes to kill the thing is a single character taking control of a single pos gun. Its just not worth it to use these if you push the break even point back significantly.
Welp, my compliments to the goons and their CSM advocate(s). This one's dead on arrival. |
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