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Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:14:00 -
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This is a terrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:26:00 -
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Benjamin Hamburg wrote:Vatek wrote:Making these 20m3 in size and having no limit on how many can be placed on one tower is a horrible design decision. One pilot in a blockade runner could seed a nullsec region with hundreds of these and shut down all moon mining income until the owners of the towers show up to pos gun them all to death.
Then they can just go get more and do it again and again and again. Alliance - even small group of players - can actually do the same with SBUs. Size doesn't really matter as much as the time it take to all put in place, for the little benefit it will give.
SBUs cost >10 times as much, can't be crammed by the hundreds into a blockade runner and are very, very visible. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:49:00 -
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Callic Veratar wrote:With a max 50km deploy range, you'll always be in the range of POS guns when you deploy the syphon. You can't cloak while locked and interceptors have almost no tank. Not sure how AFK cloaking is a problem here.
POS guns take a long time to lock and these have no anchor or online timers. You can launch one and immedlately warp off. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:58:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:The Warfish wrote:Will destroyed Siphons result in a Structure Killmail, a la POS Modules?
If not, it should. Yes, Kill Reports will be generated including the information on what was dropped/destroyed.
Is this ever going to be extended to pos mods? |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:00:00 -
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Anybody posting in this thread with HAHA SUCK ON THAT POS HAVERS attitudes has clearly never owned or operated a pos before. It's already ****** enough. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:32:00 -
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CCP Legion wrote:Once this is out we will be keeping an eye on how players use it, both via feedback here and metrics that we gather. We can then rebalance it accordingly to make sure it is not completely unbalanced or if it is used as a pure griefing tool for example. There are a lot of values which we can tweak relatively easily as required.
Release broken, fix later. Cool. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:40:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:IrJosy wrote:
It's the opposite actually.
Jabber leak:
(11:16:23 AM) aryth: this isn't going to crush us. it will crush everyone who doesn't rent
(11:16:31 AM) aryth: which means everyone will rent. which means everyone will donut up
(11:16:34 AM) aryth: which kills eve
This mechanic is the single greatest pro-blue donut mechanic.
not sure why this will increase renters? will you give a discount to renters who activly monitor your poses in a constilation? like defend out poses from shyphon and you get to rent for 50% discount?
Renters will pay us x amount of isk per month to mine specific R64 moons in their rented space, they are then responsible for dealing with siphons on their towers. If they end up losing money because their moons are being siphoned heavily, that's their problem.
June Ting wrote:Weaselior wrote:When the siphon is dead does our api go back to being useful, or is there going to be ghost minerals in there forever? How about just removing the record of what moon minerals are in the POS silos entirely from the API to avoid this problem? It's far less complicated and forces people to actually pay attention to their POSes instead of running 100+ of them and having an API tool ping them to tell them what to fuel/plat next.
Hell yeah let's make POS management even shittier! That won't cause null blocs to increasingly turn to renters for income at all! |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:07:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Kismeteer wrote:This actually hurts small operations way worse.
1. Find 1 man reaction/moon mining corp.
2. Find out his schedule, go to sleep, when he wakes up.
3. Wait for him to sleep.
4. You now have a timer to drop, and rescoop when it's done.
Reality, this hurts the small guy way more on an individual level. Because it's without risk if you know the guy's schedule. And while he's sitting in pos, waiting for someone to drop a siphon, he's not really playing eve, is he? You actually think there are a lot of small 1man corps mining expensive moons in Null?  Now in low sec you'll see more of them, but they'll be doing alchemy... which at least currently is not affected. In fact, they should greatly benefit. Who said anything about Null? Sure, it can be null. It can be high sec too, if you're dead-ending any simple reaction.
You cannot run reactions in highsec. |
Vatek
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:46:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Weaselior wrote:Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Good news everyone, CCP has just implemented one such feature!
While I'm not sure why I would expect the person who thought anom and sig scanning uncovered things like this siphon would grasp gameplay mechanic issues, this will not lead to more small entities in 0.0. Because we'll squash them and then rent their space back to them. Yes, I know it would be difficult for someone like you to understand how people who do sig scanning would be able to detect siphoning structures.
A plex runner scanning for signatures isn't even going to have structures on his filter and is highly unlikely to care that there is a siphon on some random moon. |
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