Other variations could steal additional types of materials, such as complex reactions or polymer reactions.

You are assuming I haven't see how well it helps us. We have known for quite some time our endgame in T2. This only accelerates it and probably lines our pockets more than anyone's in EVE by far. We control most of the r64s and by extension the T2 market.

I am telling CCP in good faith this is not balanced. This design is bad, if you go down this path it is bad for EVE. It doesn't mean it is bad for our wallet. The very nature of this change as presented pretty much assures we make more ISK because the people that do manage to control their goo will profit greatly. That will be us.

This will become a mass manip tool not some individual guerrilla mechanic. You made things so cheap you don't even need to GET the goo, just spam and laugh as huge portions of supply dies.

He seems to think that renters would, overnight, turn themselves into a unified cohesive bloc with all the normal organization, drive and tools that a real alliance does, and declare themselves independent from us.


So no, he really doesn't have any idea how renters work.

He seems to think that renters would, overnight, turn themselves into a unified cohesive bloc with all the normal organization, drive and tools that a real alliance does, and declare themselves independent from us.


So no, he really doesn't have any idea how renters work.

You realize, of course, that at 100 units per hour production, arguing for a percentage adjustment is basically no different from saying "I think it should be X value instead of Y."

Because percent.


per centum - look it up.

This is the definitive proof that CCP has decided that EVE in its current form, with a completely stagnant user base, is just a cash cow to support their console efforts. From now on it's going to be nothing but adding more zero-risk griefing in order to move us further into MOBA spreadsheet territory. I think at this point a lot of people must be realizing that pushing PLEX has become not only CCP's main job, but its only job.

The dumbest thing about this is that siphons were originally proposed (by Jade Constantine, no less!) as a way for small gang PVPers to force fights from larger alliances that usually just ignore irritants that doesn't threaten sov. You'd use a siphon and the big guys would get a "someone's stealing your moongoo" alert, and they'd be forced to assemble a gang to go deal with it.

That original idea had problems from timezone issues. But this implementation will see zero fights over siphons. Zero. They can be dropped by a cloaky covops, they'll be killed by solo semi-AFK drone boats (hover your domi 10 meters outside the pos shield and let heavies do the work) .


So an idea that was about generating more PVP has become a boringly safe annoyance. Even if (that's a big IF) it's successful at harming the sprawling goon empire, it will do so is the most tedious way possible. GSF will tire of upkeep on the moons of Delve and sell the region to Russians or something. Pubbies will cheer at Goons being forced to retreat. 6 months from now, after the excitement has worn off, siphons will only be used by those more interested in grief than profit. Another dull feature in an increasing dull game that continually de-emphasizes it's sole exciting feature, PVP.

I do not understand? How they can siphon all? You can pick up as easily as they, no? So you get something?

Not really, no.
Good change is good. Bad changes, such as making the data export not export data, on the other hand is not good.

As much as I am for the siphon, I am not sold on it destroying minerals or reactions just because it is anchored at the POS.

I never get tired of reading "lol goon tears!!!1" posts. You know, I don't pay a lot of attention to this dumb game, but I've seen this play out numerous times over the years exactly this way:

CCP: Presenting new feature X!
Goons: X is horribly unbalanced.
Pubbies: Hahaha goonie tears goonie tears!!!!1
Goons: vv Well okay then, we're going to exploit the hell out of X.
Pubbies: Goons are exploiting X!
CCP: We're nerfing X.
Pubbies: Hahaha goonie tears goonie tears!!!!1

I mean, y'all literally have the long term memory of that guy from Momento. Is it really any wonder that we have so little regard for the vast majority of you?

The reality is few people will bother with siphons outside of null conflicts, once they realize you are unlikely to profit from them.

Why? Because smart players will just fly around and loot Siphons placed by someone else and save themselves the 10m investment.

Hey guys, thanks for all the good feedback. Couple of things we're contemplating:

a) reduce waste from 20% to 10%

b) have a character limit on how many siphons you can deploy (i.e. have in space at the same time). This would probably be in the 5 to 10 range.

Let me know what you think.

Sure looks like goons issued a CTA to this dev blog.

Maybe they don't like the idea that their precious AFK moon mining will actually require them to stop ratting and get off their arse to manage them.