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gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:17:00 -
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ahahaha, a river of tears incoming
i have to say this is a very good move from CCP in f***** R64 cartels; also it give npc/low sec corps a piece of the pie. |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:22:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:So even with full they keep siphoning? Seriously, do you have a source for that? Because if you do, that's a pretty simple thing to change.
no,wtf ppl, read the damn blog
Quote: The Small Mobile Siphon Unit can steal 60 units of raw material or 25 units of processed material. It has a capacity of 1200 m-¦. If it is full, it stops stealing. |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:32:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Balmer Banshot wrote:People seem to forget that to take a valuable moon requires a large fleet and several hours of time. Lets say 200 man hours. If a fight or two happens, tack on the additional cost of lost ships etc. Some of my favorite times in null have been large fleet fights over moons.
Individuals only reap the benefits of moons in the form of alliance/corporate funds (ie: ship replacement programs, selling the goo to pay for SOV fees, system upgrades etc.).
I'm glad that at least one person understands what POSes actually used to be. POS income isn't dependent on some dude running a JF once a month. POS income is dependent on military force to capture and hold moons. Unfortunately CCP seem intent on destroying this mechanic and replacing it with PvE/clicking/logging in to check overview.
this coming from Fcon military powerhouse ... |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:51:00 -
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this is the first tool in a long time CCP give to small/medium alliances in npc 0.0 or low sec that will help them fight the large coalitions, and put a better defence of "their space";
i see allot of tears and allot of "oh my god it's end of the world!!!", but to be honest, noone will try for reall, to siphon all the moons in deklein for example; yes some ppl will deploy some for gigles and ****, but considering how fast this things die, noone will just deploy and lose some hundreds of them daily. also the 10 mil price is at current material prices, if too many of this things die who knows how much will cost tomorrow...
what most likelly will happen will be that moons in low sec/npc 0.0 will become unprofitable for the large coalitions that live far from the area, so the residents will take control of them, and that in my humble opinion is a good thing for eve
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gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:07:00 -
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Vladimir Norkoff wrote:gascanu wrote:this is the first tool in a long time CCP give to small/medium alliances in npc 0.0 or low sec that will help them fight the large coalitions, and put a better defence of "their space"; .... It's like you've never played EvE before. Any tool that a small group can use a large group will be able to use more effectively. That being said, these siphons will far less effective than the panic-stricken Goons would like to make them out to be.
you faill to understand that atm the "small groups" have around 0(ZERO) R64 moons; given that, can you tell me how the "large groups" can use this tool to grief them? |
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:13:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:gascanu wrote:Vladimir Norkoff wrote:gascanu wrote:this is the first tool in a long time CCP give to small/medium alliances in npc 0.0 or low sec that will help them fight the large coalitions, and put a better defence of "their space"; .... It's like you've never played EvE before. Any tool that a small group can use a large group will be able to use more effectively. That being said, these siphons will far less effective than the panic-stricken Goons would like to make them out to be. you faill to understand that atm the "small groups" have around 0(ZERO) R64 moons; given that, can you tell me how the "large groups" can use this tool to grief them? We can double all the T2 ship prices.
you can do that right now; |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:23:00 -
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xttz wrote:
Because there are plenty of small groups who simply buy those r64's in Jita and react them into more advanced materials required for T2.
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are you trying to say that buying r64 in jita is more profitable for those "small groups" than mining it themself from the moons in the region they live? really?
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gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:33:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:gascanu wrote:are you trying to say that buying r64 in jita is more profitable for those "small groups" than mining it themself from the moons in the region they live? really?
"Small groups" don't own R64s. And even in the hypothetical unlikely scenario of a R64 moon owned by a large alliance being siphoned 24/7, large alliances would still hold R64s - if not for the income, then to deny the income to anybody else.
umm, you contradict yourself: |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:36:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:There are maybe a few hundred R64 moons we don't own.
Let's say there a a thousand of them.
That's still only 20 bil to put two siphons on each. I could bankroll that and I'm basically a newbie. Jewbal-level 1%ers can buy enough siphons to do this hundreds of times. So can our socialist alliance.
This is chump change. It costs even less if we aim at only one type of moon mineral at once.
they can die by the hundreds on a single moon too |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:45:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:gascanu wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:There are maybe a few hundred R64 moons we don't own.
Let's say there a a thousand of them.
That's still only 20 bil to put two siphons on each. I could bankroll that and I'm basically a newbie. Jewbal-level 1%ers can buy enough siphons to do this hundreds of times. So can our socialist alliance.
This is chump change. It costs even less if we aim at only one type of moon mineral at once. they can die by the hundreds on a single moon too You do know we have spent literally 100+ billion isk on suicide ships over one weekend in the past, right?
oh the good old days...
i also remember some CEO starting a war over some moons worth less that 100bil/month, and considering that some sorth of vital income or something...
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gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.19 15:39:00 -
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Quote:CCP SoniClover wrote:
Let me know what you think.
I think it should be better if this version of siphon will be limited at "siphoning" from moon miners only, for the start at least; leave reactions for version 2 if there are more that one moon miner on a pos it should steal alternately from each of them;
also limiting 5/player is way too low, more like 20 should be the limit if you really think we should have one |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:02:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:
Seriously, if an alliance of hundreds or thousands of players can't be bothered to put 1 alliance character in each system they own once every 3-4 hours, you deserve to lose the goo.
It takes seconds to scan and move on (especially with the warp changes), and you only have to get within 14AU to know if they're there.
A single char could check an entire region's moons in under 30 minutes.
"but... but... but we wanna pevepee...." |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:21:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Gospadin wrote: Seriously, if an alliance of hundreds or thousands of players can't be bothered to put 1 alliance character in each system they own once every 3-4 hours, you deserve to lose the goo.
It takes seconds to scan and move on (especially with the warp changes), and you only have to get within 14AU to know if they're there.
A single char could check an entire region's moons in under 30 minutes.
So what about a smaller tz-centric alliance that holds moons in low/npc null? Why should the bar be raised to 24/7 coverage of moons? Why do you want them to recruit more people in order to be successful?
can you name one of those smaller tz-centric alliance that holds any amounts of R64? i won't be worried about those, they are much more active and would be able to watch theyr home much better then some big alliances; it's not like they will lose the moons, really, they will lose some income, life is hard, eve is not fair... they will move on... |
gascanu
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:gascanu wrote:EI Digin wrote:Gospadin wrote: Seriously, if an alliance of hundreds or thousands of players can't be bothered to put 1 alliance character in each system they own once every 3-4 hours, you deserve to lose the goo.
It takes seconds to scan and move on (especially with the warp changes), and you only have to get within 14AU to know if they're there.
A single char could check an entire region's moons in under 30 minutes.
So what about a smaller tz-centric alliance that holds moons in low/npc null? Why should the bar be raised to 24/7 coverage of moons? Why do you want them to recruit more people in order to be successful? can you name one of those smaller tz-centric alliance that holds any amounts of R64? i won't be worried about those, they are much more active and would be able to watch theyr home much better then some big alliances; it's not like they will lose the moons, really, they will lose some income, life is hard, eve is not fair... they will move on... They're tz-centric, so they can watch their autz really well? Huh, I should've known. do you see any member of those "tz-centric" alliances complaining here on this forum about it? really, your worries for those small entitys are touching my heart , but like i've stated before, i'm sure they'll adapt and survive |
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