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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:51:00 -
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Last night I was in class and had a discussion with a classmate who is a dedicated World of Warcraft player. Since we were both MMO players in general we often shared tidbits about how things are going in our sides of the MMO worlds. All was fun and good until we started talking about the play style of both games and how good they are in relation to each other. He was even trying to convince me to try WoW for once. I'll take him up on the offer and try the free trial myself just to see first hand how it compares to Eve Online.
Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.
When talking about his game, it seems that whatever ride you have (he calls them "mounts") simply disappears into thin air as soon as dismount from it anywhere in the realms. And apparently each realm has their own separate economy that are so isolated that often times WoW players don't bother with transferring assets between realms due to a heavy tax burden or too many restrictions. At the very least, he said that WoW's economy is about as good and healthy as the Eve economy (I almost chuckled).
To counter his point about the economies of both games, I showed him an article posted on Forbes.com that was posted in December of 2012 saying that Eve Online so far has the best economy there is in the MMO market. But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded.
I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here. You can be scammed out of your hard-earned ISK, suicide ganked in a supposedly safe area of space, suffer at the hands of a monopoly or an oligopoly, get caught in low-sec and ransomed for no reason, and anyone can slap a bounty on you just for making a bad post on the forums, etc. In other words, people die nobody cries. That was the impression I had as to the reason for this.
Yet somehow Eve Online is thriving. Not through subscription numbers but through the community, the economy, and vast flexibility that it offers.
But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
2143
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:52:00 -
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Your title is going to get you in a looooooooooooooot of trouble. Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:55:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:Your title is going to get you in a looooooooooooooot of trouble.
As if I didn't run into someone who disagreed with me about anything? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
3091
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:58:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote: But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. .
In a moment of weakness I tried the WOW trial a few years ago. I made it less than two hours before uninstalling it again.
So my advice to you about giving it a try is don't bother.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
149
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:01:00 -
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Eve is a singular experience. There isn't anything else quite like it, and it isn't for everyone. Most of all, it stubbornly defies comparison. There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
bad touches
429
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:11:00 -
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I played SW:TOR and Guild Wars 2. Haven't played either since about 2 weeks after I started playing Eve. Eve has ruined me for all other non-sandbox MMOs. The only MMO I am remotely excited about is if GTA Online comes to the PC.
I remember very clearly the last time I signed into Guild Wars 2. I was standing in our fort in the World Vs. World area. I had these two long knives, almost machetes. They had rusted barbed wire wrapped around them, I guess to inflict even more serious injuries than a huge knife would do on its own. Occasionally my char would spin them around or something... like she was itching for a fight. And I thought, "Why can't I slip one of these knives into the ribs of the guy I don't even know standing next to me?" The answer, he was on my "team."
Even if you don't want to be the bad guy, Eve is great because bad things can happen to you at any time. You have to prepare in advance for that, and you have to be on your toes at all times. I've never seen another game like it, and grinding raid dungeons will offer little to compare to. Hey CCP, please slush my fund like you did for SOMER Blink. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
111
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:15:00 -
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There once was a space game called EVE. Which was harder than you could believe. Fools came from WOW, "I'm quiting!", they'd vow. Can I have your stuffs when you leave? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
No Means No
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:15:00 -
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The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12101
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:17:00 -
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No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you.
It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate.
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Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
9
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:19:00 -
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Your friend doesn't understand the joy of losing.
*personnal story time*
Once upon a time, 10 years ago, we used to play browser based multiplayer games in school. The one i liked most was 'inselkampf', ypu built your island up and built units from resources. It was, of course, a terrible game, but my parents wouldn't let me get a sub for runescape, which was THE shizz. Anyways the game sucked and i played for a few years then smashed my army into someone elses and had the greatest epiphany ever - it was more fun killing stuff and losing stuff than just building stuff.
The lesson is, don't be lame 14 year old me who can't afford like 5 quid a month for a RS sub, be a meglomaniac douche forum troll and have fun losing stuff, because your in game acheivements mean more when you can lose them.
*end storytime*
If that doesn't make your friend cry with realisation, try throwing raw onion at him. Guaranteed results. |
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Skeln Thargensen
Alpha Sperglords
228
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:21:00 -
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never played it, can't comment.
repeat after me. freelance space bum |
JuGGy MC'OMG
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:24:00 -
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Fear of death, lust for killing, drive your enemy into submission, build, destroy , rebuild, control chaos
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Sit in front of the auction house in your new mount saying look at me, look at me |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6331
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:24:00 -
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Black Canary Jnr wrote:... be a meglomaniac douche forum troll and have fun losing stuff,....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2089
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:27:00 -
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Trolls vs Orcs eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
1313
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:30:00 -
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Played both WoW and EVE for years...
Most of us have played WoW, but are ashamed to admit it!
Both games have their merits, but EVE is much...much better and a lot more complicated then WoW will ever be!
Until EVE reaches 1 million subs and CCP grows accustomed to that income... Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
Cierra Royce
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:30:00 -
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WoW Gameplay itself is lame and tedious, mainly grinding, grinding, grinding to get the perfect set of yellow pants for my paladins armour set, or running the same stupid random raids to try get tokens or weapons. I've played quite extensively over the years but havent logged on for probably 10 months now, and I doubt I missed anything much.
The only thing I've found makes it tolerable is a really good guild group to both level and Raid with, thankfully as a fully paid up :10Bux: member I get the best of all worlds when I log on, a great guild and plenty of help with any endeavour, if you want to do it, a goon wants to help you do it. |
Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:34:00 -
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I played WoW for a short while, managing to level someone up to lvl 32. It was...Ok, at least until I got so utterly bored of the grind and the repetitive nature of the PvE, that I uninstalled it. I tried it again a few months back and spent a whole two hours before the boredom kicked in again. It's a 'safe' game. Even if you managed to get ganked by wandering into the wrong area, you'll never lose anything. Eve is an MMO with the safety rails off, populated by the sort of people who like to bend you over and shaft you without offering to lube up first. It's an intriguing affair of always being on the edge because you never know what's waiting for you through the next gate.
Sometimes you can feel totally alone in an empty corner of null as you go exploring, and other times you can be cowering in a safe in low, praying that the roaming 20 person fleet doesn't have a combat prober in there somewhere. You can get the ultimate high and adrenaline rush of going toe to toe with another player, and get the horrible lurching feeling as you jump into the mother of all gate camps. Basically the scope of experience within Eve is much large in my opinion, and no two days ever end up alike if you're a regular player. Yes, there's grind elements to it in earning ISK, but even those can be subverted via escalations or going outside your comfort zone to try something new.
WoW? It will forever coddle you, pat you and tell you it's all going to be good. Eve on the other hand will urinate over your cold corpse whilst laughing it's arse off. |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1105
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:37:00 -
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The obvious solution is to now steal all of your classmates things and awox his mode of transportation.
EVE is real. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
731
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate.
Last investor call said the loss were slowing down linked most likely to the last 2 patches. The one before that was putting the number at 9,6 mill. Even if we make thier slower loss at 3,6 million, it would still be 12 time as big as EVE.
You can't compare the 2 games directly because they are not really similar. All PVP feature in WoW are actaully tacked on feature since release. The game was not meant to be a PVP game. The relevant content in WoW is the PvE experience and that is easyly way ahead of EVE in term of quality.
If the 2 games had the same goal, you could compare them but the very philosophy and core of the games are different.
Red fruits is what I like so apples > oranges. The bias is clear one way or another when people compare both game. |
Bryus Aldent
Ultimos Dragones
1
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:39:00 -
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I ran into the same situation with a buddy of mine who is a diehard WoW guy. Found it hard trying to explain that you need an IQ to play EVE, and yet he couldn't understand. |
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Digits Kho
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
6
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:40:00 -
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WoW is very shallow compared to EvE, too much npc control in the game, it has a worse community and the way the guilds ( called corps in our game) work there is terrible. Vanilla and TBC was very nice though |
Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
10
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:41:00 -
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I actually tried WoW maybe 6 months ago? I've previously played it when i was like 16.
The first time i got up to level 50 as a gnome mage and quit.
The most recent attempt i played a goblin priest, got to level 20ish and quit. It's changed alot since i first played, for instance enjoy being spammed with guild invites every 5 mins because you can 'level up your guilds now'. Gameplay is pretty much the same. Don't roll a goblin cos their intro is lame and feels like it was designed for 10 year olds.
You will play totally solo till level 18 when you unlock LFG, whereby you will just spam look for groups to get blue gear, thereby missing most of the sh*te gather and kill pve wow throws at you. And that's pretty much your game i guess. Never been in a raid but never could be asked to grind to level 80 or whatever it is just to play with other people in a meaningful way. *read as community is wa*k and voice comms none existant till you level cap* Oh people like their mounts too, except they all do the same thing, it's pretty crazy. i wish you could dismember other peoples mounts because that would be ace, 10/10 would join goons for that. Never did 'pet battles' because they offered no benefit. PvP is lame highest level twinkiest wins everytime.
Thing that sums it up. Definitely going downhill in terms of gameplay and subscribers. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4172
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:42:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve
The "levelling" system in EVE is time-based rather than action based. You train skills, your character grows. In WoW the levelling system is action based: you log in and do stuff, your character gains levels, your character grows. The levelling system in WoW is a little redundant though since the game has changed significantly during the last few expansions to the point where Blizzard actively encourages people to level up as quickly as possible, skip the actual content of the PvE-content-based-game, to get to the "endgame" (a term which raises a chuckle from me, since "end game" in every other game is the few moves before the winner is determined). The "endgame" in WoW is racing through all the levelling content to get to a few instances which you run over and over again to acquire new shiny things. The purpose of acquiring new shiny things is to gain access to the next piece of PvE content access to all of which is gradated on a scale based on what gear you have.
So when you start playing WoW with "friends" the typical thing to do is say hello, join their guild, then spend several tens of hours levelling your character without any interaction with your friends. Just keep hitting that "find random dungeon group" button, running random dungeons, levelling your character until you hit the level cap. Then you set about acquiring the gear you need to gain access to the PvE content that your friends no longer engage in.
As a trial character in WoW you will max out at about level 20, which is in the order of two or three hours of play time. The maximum level is 90. You will be spending a significant portion of your trial time alone.
Gerald Sphinx wrote:I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here.
I'm under the impression that EVE is a smaller game than WoW because everything that isn't WoW is much smaller than WoW. In addition, EVE is a spaceship based game in a world full of fantasy games, with always-on PvP and a very harsh penalty for losing PvP engagements. It's not the kind of game that is going to appeal to many people. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
424
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:43:00 -
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WoW was a great game until late 2007 with patch 2.3. While Zul'Aman in patch 2.3 was probably Blizzards best instance ever, the start of easy leveling in patch 2.3 was terrible decision.
While WoW was still grindy to a certain extent in TBC, overall gameplay was really good. It's hard to describe it and the sad route it went down, without posting walls of text and going into details that do not matter here in this forum. But compared to 2007, today's WoW is utter trash. Basically a pet and item collection game.
Temporarily you could find spots of interesting PvE gameplay in Wrath of the Lich King in instances like Ulduar or special hard modes like Sartharion with three drakes. But the best times of the game were gone.
Crafting (professions) and trading was never very interesting or well designed with exception of a very few awesome items that had an impact on gameplay. Also, bots and map hacks could become a terrible nuisance, depending on the server.
When I left WoW in late 2010, it could barely be called an MMO. Phasing had turned huge amounts of non instanced PvE gameplay into a solo experience. If you skipped the instances, you stood a good chance of not seeing a single player for several hours.
Depending on the Server, the community ranged from terrible to really good. Personally I did have an excellent time on the role playing server I chose to Play on and with the people I teamed up with. The decision to leave them behind for good and come to EvE was not an easy one. Remove insurance. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
1061
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:45:00 -
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I played WOW for about..a year or so i think. Ended up trying it because of a similar discussion, except this was a bet. An EVE player is not able to play a game as complicated as WOW. (Yes, i did laugh, and i still tease the person who proposed the bet once in a while )
As someone mentioned, WOW is "safe". Makes it a very easy game to play since you dont have to really pay attention to what your doing, and if you die you really dont care that much.
The market is..awful to say the least, but as an EVE player it was very easy to manipulate it and make more gold then i would ever need.
Dont even need to say anything about the community.
However, WOW is not all bad. Its great if you need that mental break, or if you just want some mindless fun for a few hours. Maybe because it feels good to see your character advance, knowing that you just need to finish X amount of quests and then you can use *whatever". This is something i have never felt in EVE (and trust me, i dont want EVE to change), and EVE having been my first and only online game until then it caught me by surprise because it seemed so..different (the level system that is).
But its scary addictive. Its been a couple of years since i played and i still catch my self thinking about it once in a while. Honestly if it hadent been for the bad community it would still have been my "EVE break" game. Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread The Eve Reader - -áAudio Recordings of Eve Chronicles
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Angelique Duchemin
Alexylva Paradox
648
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:53:00 -
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Played both quite a lot.
There's not really any way to win debates like this.
But there's a sure way to lose them and that's to convince yourself that other people have different opinions on what's fun simple because they're dumb.
Or that the same people are apparently so dumb that they don't realise they're not having fun and that if they could only reach your level of enlightenment. Then they too could derive no enjoyment from the same forms of media as you do.
We miss you Saede. In-depth guide on how to safely mine in High Sec |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
424
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:10:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:The "levelling" system in EVE is time-based rather than action based. You train skills, your character grows. In WoW the levelling system is action based: you log in and do stuff, your character gains levels, your character grows. The levelling system in WoW is a little redundant though since the game has changed significantly during the last few expansions to the point where Blizzard actively encourages people to level up as quickly as possible, skip the actual content of the PvE-content-based-game, to get to the "endgame" (a term which raises a chuckle from me, since "end game" in every other game is the few moves before the winner is determined). The "endgame" in WoW is racing through all the levelling content to get to a few instances which you run over and over again to acquire new shiny things. The purpose of acquiring new shiny things is to gain access to the next piece of PvE content access to all of which is gradated on a scale based on what gear you have.
So when you start playing WoW with "friends" the typical thing to do is say hello, join their guild, then spend several tens of hours levelling your character without any interaction with your friends. Just keep hitting that "find random dungeon group" button, running random dungeons, levelling your character until you hit the level cap. Then you set about acquiring the gear you need to gain access to the PvE content that your friends no longer engage in.
As a trial character in WoW you will max out at about level 20, which is in the order of two or three hours of play time. The maximum level is 90. You will be spending a significant portion of your trial time alone.
Pretty much this.
Remove insurance. |
Tollen Gallen
Xionworld
1078
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:13:00 -
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WoW i love Battleships Signature |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
691
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:16:00 -
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A long long time ago, I had heard vaguely of Eve Online, as it was an MMO version of Elite. This sounded pretty cool, but I never really checked more on it, as friends had showed me this awesome MMO called World of Warcraft. When I started playing Eve, I kicked myself hard for not having checked it out much sooner.
I played WoW for several years, from Vanilla, Burning crusade, Lich king and even Cataclysm for a short bit when some people got me to return.
As theme park MMO's go, it's pretty nice, but has suffered greatly from the 'lowest common denomiter' problem. The game has been dumbed down so much that anyone can play it, no matter how big of a dumb idiot they are.
In vanilla and BTC, raids were HARD. Not all of them, but the endgame ones were. But since sooo many idiots were whining about how they would never be able to see all the leet content because they lacked the skill/progression/hardcore mentality needed to get there and do these raids successfully, Blizzard made the game easier and easier so everyone would be able to enjoy their shiny new content. Also the new loot mechanics were set up so nobody would feel left out anymore when something refused to drop for a specific group, and everyone just gets their stuff from a store with marks they farm with raiding.
Sadly, this is the way most themepark MMO's have gone, making the game simple and easy so everyone can play. Thus totally devoid of skill, meaning or challenge. This is the very reason I play Eve Online. Eve pits your wits, intellect and skill against both it's environment, and it's other players in every aspect of the game. It's very complexity and myriad of possibilities and choices is what make this game truly 'hard' and wonderful.
If you like being entertained and kept busy in a safe environment where nothing nasty is going to happen to you, games like WoW are your cup of tea, though a better challenge would be nicer I suppose. If you want stuff you do to mean something, you need to come into the sandbox to play and build your sandcastle, or knock other people's castles down.
Quite often these days, when I don't feel like playing something that has me on edge, I don't log into Eve, but log onto Star Trek Online, a nice and friendly theme park mmo. Is it hard? Not at all, but it is quite relaxing to just sit back and do my thing, get myself some more shinies and whatnot, and just basically enjoy myself, without having to look over my shoulder if there's someone there go come and knock my little castle down purely for the fun of it.
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Baggo Hammers
155
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:23:00 -
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WoW has become a game for little kids. They consciously lowered the demo age with the fighting pandas expansion. Blizzard crafts excellent games, pretty much all of 'em. I have played and enjoyed most of them. I am too old however to grind for equipment. Too high school.
As far as EVE vs WoW though, it's apples and oranges. If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there. |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4359
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:27:00 -
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warcraft was a great game...once.
truth be told it was bad even before I left it. currently it's in the worst state I have ever seen it. I was just still playing it because I knew fun people and I was hoping it would return to when it was fun. but then there was the MoP expansion and I lost all hope. I was excited for the bit I had heard about the climatic end of the xpac with attacking the horde city to overthrow hellscream. but I couldn't hack it long enough. I got my main toon to 90 and began the grind for the gated gear to do raids and just experienced an in game meltdown. simply couldn't do it anymore. tired of the same old run around.
my guild was doing a fine job of imploding in on itself from a combination of we veteran players burning out and internal politics. I found eve around that time so thankfully I missed a lot of that drama. eve filled the mmo gap nicely. |
Winchester Steele
154
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:31:00 -
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I played WoW from 2004 until I discovered Eve in 2010. After about 3 months playing Eve I dropped Wow like 3rd period French. I don't think I could ever again play an mmo where loss isnt meaningful. Nothing quite beats that rush of putting your ass-ets on the line every time you undock.
Also themepark gameplay is for children and simple minded folks. ... |
Fa Xian
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
24
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:48:00 -
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I've played hundreds of hours of both.
In general, EVE is superior. EVE has more game play options. And those options are more interesting too.
Probably the most defining aspect of EVE that differentiates it from WoW is that you don't have a class in EVE. Indeed, all roles are open to all players all the time - you just have to wait long enough to be able to do it. In WoW, when you create your character, you are limited to that character's role and skills. The advantage is that you fall into that role quickly and easily; it is easy to understand, learn, and follow that role. In EVE however, you have a wide field of skills. Training different skills unlocks different roles.
Another big difference is configuration. People mistake ships for mounts in this thread. Ships are not mounts. Ships are like whole classes. The EVE equivalent of a WoW mount is choosing to fit an afterburner or MWD and activating it - it buffs your speed. Each player in EVE can have many different ships or often change the fit of one ship - in WoW you tend to get a best set of modules ("gear") for your only ship ("class") and you use that all the time until you find something better. Rarely, you have alternate modules for special circumstances; mostly that revolves around if you are doing PVP and PVE, a bit like EVE.
Apart from these big two, EVE blows WoW away in terms of market ("auction house" in WoW) and industry ("crafting" in WoW).
WoW is a friendly, easy, pretty game, a relaxing fun fantasy romp where you never have much at stake and it's easy to play. EVE is unfriendly, hard, rather dull looking game with a very challenging and interesting sandbox play environment.
WoW is like Chess - simple rules, simple play, easily understood, long time hard work to master. EVE is like Poker - configurable, variable rules, complex play (interpersonal + mechanical), difficult to understand, adaptation and self-motivation to master. |
destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:52:00 -
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WoW,. you die you get all your crap back = pointless. you train a skill its done right away. raids are very boring to kill 1 boss.
Eve You die, your loot gets taken skills take longer to train. Raids lol take someone elses space and laugh at them when they move to highsec,
in end EVE wins. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4173
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:58:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:my guild was doing a fine job of imploding in on itself from a combination of we veteran players burning out and internal politics.
I've seen this happen so many times, and it only gets worse with MoP thanks to ilvl restrictions on raid instances. If you're away from the game for a week you'll fall behind the ilvl of the more active members of the guild, they'll move on to the next chapter of gear acquisition and you'll be stuck trying to get into PUG groups (which means it takes three or four times as long to get anything done).
WoW is a terrible game and I kick myself every time I play it. But it's like sugar: you always want a little bit more because you remember the sweetness. Then you feel ill but for some reason you never remember the aftereffects when the next bout of sugar-desire hits you :)
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Iudicium Vastus
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:58:00 -
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I played several MMOs for short periods of time, including a WoW trial. Never stuck around on any of them long enough to last even one month sub.
Been playing EVE for almost a year now and even maintain more than one active paid account.
There needs to be more sandbox in the MMO business. Let themeparks rust and lay abandoned. |
Livonia Velorea
Banana Corp
6
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:00:00 -
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You shouldn't look at it as WOW vs EVE but rather as themepark vs sandbox.
Also more subs counts for very little if you are limited by population caps, you're not able to interact or even impact those other millions of players. Heck I bet you can't really have much of, if any impact on those that play on your own server because of the way a themepark is structured mechanically. You might try argue that the subs generate vast amounts of income but again it is some what an oxymoron as it's spent on creating more rides in an attempt to retain players.
Something of note is the difference in content, 90% plus of a sandbox's content is still relevant to even the most veteran player where as large amounts of themeparks are not. Something to think about. |
Spy 21
Lonetrek Exploration and Salvage
203
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:19:00 -
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I enjoyed WoW for what it way I guess. It's a bunch of really cool looking environments wrapped around a repetitive skill and gear grind that only differs much in degree between the various levels. I do agree that as time when on, the chalenges did seem to become less and less ... challenging.
Eve was always something totally different for me... real PvP with real consequences. There is not another MMO that I know that actually has that. Even though I spend my time these days playing mostly solo for various reasons... even that content is good as you have the option of being solo player against the whole game full of players instead of just against the AI.
So, agree, agree mostly agree with all that's been said.
To the OP, your friend is hopeless. You will never convince him that Eve is worth his time as he wants something different from his game than we do from ours generally.
Lastly, seems every thread I read lately is about 'everyone' hates Eve for one reason or another... it's really nice to read a solid 2 pages with nothing to say about this game than what's awesome about it!
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Dalto Bane
Knights of the Posing Meat The Obsidian Front
13
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:24:00 -
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World of Warcraft was also my first MMO. I started playing, around the release of WoTLK (a bit late in the game). I played, leveling to 70, doing the grind if you will. Then my interest began to wane. A friend of mine approached me;
Friend- "Hey man, you ever play Eve Online?" Me- "Nope." Friend- "Dude, you should try it." Me- "Yup."
So, I subbed, began "Old Tutorial", undocked and immediately shot at Concord- QQ, and as a pubbie would, I logged. Went back to playing WoW at the release of Cata, and that lasted about a week, because it was still the same wash, rinse, repeat. That whole time I could not stop thinking that I missed something in Eve, and also how that Concord dude popped me in one hit. That guy musta been playing Eve forever.
I not only resubbed, I found out that I did miss something. There was more than 2 minutes of the tutorial. What!?! Its way easier if you actually make some friends. What?!? That Concord guy you shot, be the Space Police, and you are def a nub because you did not know he was a NPC.
Moral of the Story: Eve takes time and patience but is a Awesome game. I had become so sheltered by the WoW construct, that I did not even try and learn how to play Eve because I thought that Eve would be similar to Wow. I came to Eve as a naked infant with an extra chromosome because WoW made me that way. WoW is terrible, and even worse now with Oriental Pandas and such. You want training wheels, Airbags, and a crash helmet, go play WoW. You want Uzi's, sharp objects, and to ride a rocket propelled computer chair down a flight of stairs listening to AC/DC, PLAY EVE!! |
Alastair Ormand
Badger Badger Badger Apocalypse Now.
12
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:39:00 -
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As a former Wow player with almost 5000 hours played. I can honestly say my biggest regret was not playing eve sooner. While I have many fond memories most of which from WotLK. The game has been in a steady decline since cata was released. Blizzard has made the entire game care bear friendly and nothing is rewarding anymore. Its all about who's better than who and the social aspect is just about dead. I haven't played wow in about a month and I don't plan on playing in the future.
You'll que for a dungeon or raid and no one will speak to each other unless its to abuse or talk about tactics for a fight. Realms are so imbalanced its rediculous . Some realms are OK but some have 90% horde and 10% alliance and vice versa. Blizzard don't seem care. |
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Nectora Van Alpen
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:47:00 -
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A single properly fitted EVE BS has enough firepower to melt everything in WoW. Nuff said :D |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
80
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:05:00 -
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Old Eve joke: "Every time someone leaves Eve to play Wow the average IQ of both games go up." |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
410
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:26:00 -
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OP, I agree with every sentence.
I tried WOW once.I will not lie, it was fun for a while.
But you will never be happy with it. From what you wrote, you understand the essence of EVE and you will not find this in WOW. It is a completely different game from this perspective. They only share the MMORPG name, nothing else.
WOW is an entertaining theme park
EVE is a living and thriving world |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4844
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:39:00 -
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Karak Terrel wrote:OP, I agree with every sentence.
I tried WOW once.I will not lie, it was fun for a while.
But you will never be happy with it. From what you wrote, you understand the essence of EVE and you will not find this in WOW. It is a completely different game from this perspective. They only share the MMORPG name, nothing else.
WOW is an entertaining theme park
EVE is a living and thriving world ccp is deeply involved in player efforts to run lotteries There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:08:00 -
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You can not compare the two games other than the fact they are both MMOS there is nothing else to compare. I play EVE and WOW I have 3 EVE accounts one wow account. WOW to me is more of an Arcade Style MMO.
The PVP can be fun when you are doing arenas or even Battlegrounds. My wife and a Few RL friends play wow so I am sort of forced into it. While I enjoy EVE more sometimes it isn't bad to get in some Arcade Style PVP.
And about the economy WoW doesn't have one all the best gear is from killing bosses or getting points in PVP. The only thing you would ever goto the Auction house for (Market) is Gems or Enchants and that is only if you are lazy. Think Rigs I guess. Cept you only need to replace them when you get new gear.
You could argue that wow could survive just fine without a auction house as getting the crafting skills for the enchants or gems you need is next to no work at all.
EvE how ever couldn't function without a Market place and the economy is far more advanced than anything WOW couldn't even dream about thinking of having in their game.
Comparing mounts to ships is just ******** mounts only serve as a way to get around faster, but most times you can find portals to get where you need to be or a flight path that might as well be free. Mounts are used to show off what you may have killed or the $25 you spent on the online store.
While Ships are almost more of a Class or armor would be in WOW. Like I said you can not compare the games. WOW is for casuals who like things handed to them and do not want the bully to take them away. Hell you can even get Ban in WOW for scamming or calling someone a name.
EVE is more of a Sim type game with MMO features WOW is an mmo arcade game. But I do like both Pie and Cake so I can have both when ever I like..
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:10:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:Old Eve joke: "Every time someone leaves Eve to play Wow the average IQ of both games go up." A good eve player won't make a good WOW player anymore then a good WOW player will make a good EVE player.
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:13:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: The "levelling" system in EVE is time-based rather than action based. You train skills, your character grows. In WoW the levelling system is action based: you log in and do stuff, your character gains levels, your character grows.
I sort of disagree here I would say that the "Leveling" system in EVE is more based on how you learn to play the game and how to work the mechanics of the Game. |
Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:13:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:ccp is deeply involved in player efforts to run lotteries I almost forgot about that.... LET IT BURN!! GIVE ME ORCS AND ELVES!! |
Karak Terrel
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:16:00 -
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Souxie Alduin wrote:Old Eve joke: "Every time someone leaves Eve to play Wow the average IQ of both games go up." This is so true, I post this in every WOW players face I know right now no matter the consequences. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:20:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:I sort of disagree here I would say that the "Leveling" system in EVE is more based on how you learn to play the game and how to work the mechanics of the Game.
To some extent both games are like this: as your skill as a player improves, your performance ingame improves. In both games the skills to succeed in PvP involve tactical and strategic elements. In both games the PvE side comes down to rote memorisation of scripts for beating certain encounters. The main difference is that the strategic elements of WoW don't include "bring 2000 of your closest friends" :)
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
928
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:04:00 -
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My first MMO was Anarchy Online back when progression was defined by the skills you chose, and you lost XP when you died. Twinking was also awesome fun ....
Then my son started playing WoW .. so I gave it go and got to the mid 30's before I realised "I just don't like this game". WoW didn't offer what I wanted from a game.
That's the main thing with differing views on different games, each persons view is subjective based on what they personally think is enjoyable or acceptable in their entertainment.
I play EVE because it offers me Individuality, Self Determination, Choice and Consequences. For me those are important aspects to good gameplay EVE offers them WoW doesn't AO used to, till the expansions killed it. |
Terry Qon
Hostile Work Enviroment Diggers Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:17:00 -
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Almost every post is biased for EvE. Which isn't surprising at all, it is the EvE forums after all. I'm pretty noob in EvE, but I've played WoW for a long time and at the highest end game level. And PvE and PvP is really fun and not "easy".
I think too many veteran EvE players are comparing their years in EvE to the first few steps in WoW. Leveling to 20, 41, or 60 or w/e shouldn't count, that's pretty much the equivalent of a WoW veteran like myself comparing the entirety of the WoW end game to completing the EvE tutorial buying my first frigate and doing a couple L1 missions.
From what I experienced so far from EvE, correct me if I'm wrong. PvP wise, there's not much "skill" involved, it's either about whoever has more pilots in their fleet, or who gets the jump on who, or what type of ship you encounter, I watched the Alliance tournament as well on stream, and although I'm a complete noob and have no idea what was going on, almost every match felt very one sided, once a couple ships start dying on one side, it snowballs really fast. At the highest tier of PvP in WoW. In 3v3 arena. Everyone has the same gear, same spells, only thing different is what type of class comp you are running, and it takes a lot of skill and knowledge of every spell for every class in the game.
Can't talk in terms of EvE PvE, but the hardest tier in WoW PvE is hard mode 10m or 25m raids, which is incredibly hard. And it feels like real character progression because you are going in there weekly with the same 10 or 25 people and killing the next boss or getting closer to killing him and wiping (failing) dozens of times to get a single mechanic of the fight right.
What is appealing in EvE to me, is that it's a sandbox. I am free to do what I want, but at the same time, for noobs like me there isn't much to do, and if my curious takes the better of me, it can be pretty unforgiving. It's definitely incredible how this game progressed as a player driven economy, but it feels like it's almost impossible for a new player to get into the game. There are two types of gamers, Casual and Hardcore. And for both types getting into EvE is really hard. For Casuals there is just way too much info to take in with no one to help them at first. For Hardcore gamers, you always feel behind everyone else because of the time based progression. Another point about EvE is that the UI feels a bit outdated. Just the windows of every interface, like just clicking it and closing it, it feels like there's a delay. It doesn't feel polished and up to date to a 2013 game. And I think it's missing some very basic features like locking the windows in place, being able to enable no sound in background, so I don't have to keep going into the options menu every time I want to alt tab and watch a video. Inverting mousewheel zoom sounds like one that a lot of noobs would appreciate, although it's not a big deal at all. I think EvE needs to take these small steps to being a bit more noob friendly.
I play EvE because I'm a huge sci fi fan, and I really like the concept of a sandbox universe, I haven't been there, but I can tell the end game of EvE (if that's what you want to call it) is ridiculously in depth and fun. But at the same time, WoW is only 1 year younger and it feels a lot more polished and smoother than EvE, they found a way to cater to noobs while bringing out incredibly challenging content for hardcore players. However i can tell that if you are willing to put in the time and knowledge, EvE will ultimately be the more rewarding in the long run... but that's if you can last. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
203
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:32:00 -
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I currently play both wow and eve. Yes I openly admit it! The problem is that wow is one of the largest MMOs aside from EvE. They have attributed success for various reasons but its really about play style to be honest. Wow is no more a childs game than EvE, the biggest difference is that they are 100% completely different styles of play and communities.
EvE is a truly unique game, there is literally no other game that comes even close to it. We all share the same server...no instancing out. This ties the community together in a stronger sense. As a result, the game is completely different. Take Star Trek Online, WoW, Star Wars...all of these games follow similar themes...leveling, instancing, and so on.
Take wow for example, you get a leveling system and earn those levels by playing the game. You earn gold by playing the game. You get absolutely no benefit from being logged out. EvE you can earn skills and money in or out of the game. Furthermore wow is a bit more fast paced and unbalanced. If you are lvl 90 you gank anyone below your level and if you are 30 on a pvp server you dont stand a chance fighting a 50 let alone 90. Wow has actually been moving more toward tying realms and servers together because they see the advantage of that interaction.
EvE on the other hand has started out on a completely different track than other games, we set our own play style and have invented a lot that other games won't achieve. This makes eve stand out but also isolates its community from the other gaming communities, mainly because we are so different.
This is why most eve players cant stand wow, it is so different from their play style. I mean if you want further proof of this look at Dust 514. To this day still not all of the eve community will embrace dust bunnies. I admit they do more so than most games because CCP helps to tie that interaction. Lets face it we are a bunch of dicks that like to grief and raise hell, we are so domineering in our game that we WANT to be different and stand out as something unique.
This is certainly not a bad thing, but in terms of core game play there are still a few similarities. Wow have tanks, healers, and DPS. We have tanks, logis, and DPS. To be honest I am truly fascinated by the differences between eve and wow. I think it certainly adds variety . In terms of gameplay you won't find another game that is truly epic. You can go from 1-90 in wow in about a week, takes a good what 10-12 years to max skills in eve? :P |
Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
72
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:36:00 -
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Both games complement each other. Kinda like a wife and a mistress.
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Terry Qon
Hostile Work Enviroment Diggers Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:41:00 -
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Octoven wrote:In terms of gameplay you won't find another game that is truly epic. You can go from 1-90 in wow in about a week, takes a good what 10-12 years to max skills in eve? :P
This isn't always a positive thing. 1-90 can be done fairly quick that's true, but being level 90 is nothing. You need to do a lot of pvp just to get starting pvp gear, once you get there you have to do more competitive form of pvp to get the best gear, and even with the best gear, without proper keybindings, macros, knowledge of your class and other classes you will get completely destroyed, purely from being outplayed from a more skillful player. It's the same way for PvE except you have to go a step further and find the right guild for you.
The problem I find with EvE progression system is that it makes new players feel completely underwhelming without a sense of being able to catch up because people will always be training skills. I'm a hardcore gamer, any game I play, I come to play it with an intention of being incredibly good at it. EvE is the only game where I feel like I will never be able to catch up, some casual noob player who started playing years before me is and always will be ahead of me, and will always be able to do more in this game then I can. In WoW, I hit 90, got my pvp gear, and achieved Gladiator which is one of the most prestigious titles, in a short amount of time, because it rewards activity and skill. EvE is more passive, the earlier you started, the more SP you have, the more you can do in this game. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:44:00 -
[56] - Quote
Warcraft III > WoW
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
619
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:14:00 -
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I tried WoW in the past, I was like wtf? I get my stuff back if I die? I uninstalled it. *removed inappropriate signature* - CCP Eterne |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1718
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:36:00 -
[58] - Quote
polly papercut wrote:Souxie Alduin wrote:Old Eve joke: "Every time someone leaves Eve to play Wow the average IQ of both games go up." A good eve player won't make a good WOW player anymore then a good WOW player will make a good EVE player.
(Joke) ... | ... { (Woosh) ... | ... 0 (You) .. / | \ ... /\
(ed - yeah, I can ASCII) One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
1775
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:48:00 -
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WoW is a game that discourages player interaction as much as possible. It's a terrible dynamic for an MMO. Oh god. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
692
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:52:00 -
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Terry Qon, I strongly disagree with you on several points.
First off, the current form of WoW's raiding and instances is utter easy mode. You even get told by the game what kind of tactics the boss you're fighting will use. Any person with half a brain can figure out what he needs to do when and how. After I quit wow, I would sometimes take over from a friend of mine who still played during raids, played a different class than me, in raids I had never before seen. I managed to do just fine on each and all of them. Was I as good as him? No, I had no proper knowledge of every little bit of details of his class ( mage ), only my general knowledge as a cloth dps caster(warlock was my own class when I played ). This didn't stop me from performing properly and not get everyone or myself killed from jumping through the wrong hoops or zigging when I had to zag.
WoW PvP is of course a different beast, and I congratulate you on your gladiator title( yes, it really is a prestigious one, I agree ). Here you are pitted against other players and player skill is all that really matters( as well as knowing how to exploit every little weakness you can, like the old stun lock rogue ) But even here, options are far more limited, as in the end there is only so many classes and viable combo's, and all arenas are set up in a way that limits the engagements. Eve's many many ships, modules, skills make for a far more diverse and complex gameplay as the 'arena' you're fighting in is also much larger and complicated even within a single solar system. ( Think of safe spots, tactical spots, engagement ranges, warpins through cloakies, celestials, stations, gates, not to mention (covert) cynos, fleet compositions and what have you )
Finally, you seem to be under the impression that you will never be as good as some player from 2003 or something in Eve. This is plainly wrong. While at lower skill points your options will be more limited, by specialising into specific things, you can easily be as good as ( in character abilities ) an ancient player, or better if he never bothered to skill up into something. The only difference is he has more options to choose from before he undocks ( think of it has him having unlocked more 'classes' than you, but he's not necessarily higher level or better geared than you )
I recommend you take another look at tournament matches if that is your thing, as there have been many matches that have swung back and forth several times during matches, these are of course the most interesting ones to watch. Also the snowballing effect is something you should consider to be only limited to Eve. WoW arenas have the same thing. Once one of your team members dies, you will be at a disadvantage, this holds true for any group combat. An enemy team pressing this advantage will be able to snowball the enemy into the ground. Turnarounds because of smart tactics or tricks is what make watching/playing
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UmbraIra
Salt City Corp.
1
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Posted - 2013.10.18 07:21:00 -
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I played WoW from vanilla to the end of lich king and its near impossible to compare the two games but there are some things I find odd between the two.
PvP wise EvE fights are largely decided before they even start where in WoW it comes down to your mechanical ability on the keyboard. For example there is no EvE equivalent to getting out of a druids cyclone to catch them in the middle of a 1 sec cast with a counterspell. Another thing that not just WoW has but nearly all PvP games with a Rogue/Assassin/Stalker class. They tend to show up out of no where and ruin your day where in EvE people scream bloody murder at the very mention of removing local showing pilots in the area. My personal reason for leaving WoW was that blizzard started killing off world pvp. When Burning Crusade first launched the areas in front of the new dungeons were warzones littered with dead bodies now we have magical "teleport to dungeon" to avoid world PvP.
I really dont like the attitude around here that a themepark game is for low intelligence people. I merely equate it to reading a book once you finish reading it most of the vaule is lost but that doesnt mean the journey to the end was worthless. Playing EvE is more like playing with legos theres not much point to it but youre only limited by your own creativity and there really is no end.
The MMO however I loved the most was City of Villians and that was nearly 100% PvE but the huge ammount of possible combinations of power sets kept me playing that from launch til it was untimely shut down by ncsoft. I also must give a nod to the CoH/CoV community I've never in playing any games seen a more helpful friendly set of players. Hell many times in Warburg a free for all PvP zone I've seen people standing in the open talking about builds and the such.
Edit: One other thing for WoW I've never seen another game with as big an open world as WoW with no load screens. Just running around exploring or traveling seeing new little things was fun but that awesomeness is being killed of by blizzard with teleports to everywhere and super fast flying mounts. |
Grunanca
Sickology Dead Terrorists
93
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Posted - 2013.10.18 07:56:00 -
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You cant compare WoW and EVE. Thats like trying to force force a 3 year old child to see the amazing work that went into making a movie like Titanic. He wont have a clue whats going on... |
sally Deninard
mss industry
75
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate. So is eve |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:08:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate. Yes poor WoW only has 7.7 million people world wide as of about 2 months ago. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation The Cursed Few
129
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:14:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate. So is eve
Really? Since when? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoavH8xbrPE |
Frying Doom
2677
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:19:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:sally Deninard wrote:Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate. So is eve Really? Since when? MMO data has no new figures for this year from CCP
but it doesn't look like it is bleeding subscriptions but things do not look great
http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility
especially if you compare the numbers with the time of Incarna in June 2011.
But having said that there was a large spike a few days ago. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
502
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:21:00 -
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Strange things:
1) Allegedly Eve players are smarter than WoW players, yet, quite few of them seem to have played WoW at some point. 2) This learning curve.....for most eve players, it consists of nothing overly complex...missions are hardly rocket science, nor is mining or industry, hell, even trading isn't complicated if you understand buy low, sell high. 3) This scary nasty world....Eve might have people who want to blow you up on every single undock point and gate (or so I heard), but I will take that over the nastiness you run into in WoW PUGs any day of the week.
What many struggle with in eve is the lack of a clearly defined path (the lack of theme park, if you will). Very few people know precisely what they want to do when they start, and it usually takes a few false starts and "Oh god, I am never doing that again" before you find something (usually by accident) that keeps you interested for the next X years.
Eve PvP can be extremely skilled and technical, but, it can also be as simple as following instructions from your FC about which guy on the overview to target and hit F1 for. Eve missioning/incursions can be min/maxed, timed to slice off every second that is unnecessary, or, it can be as simple as "grab standard L4 fit from E-Uni, warp in, shoot red things".
Eve is not "tougher" or "more difficult" unless you want it to be. The depth can be mindblowing, but, there is an illusion that most players are doing market manipulation or theorycrafting at a high level, whereas, as with any game, these are a minority.
For many of us, 3rd party tools calculate profits/margins, 3rd party sites tell us what tank to fit, a voice on comms tells us who to shoot at, inspiration for fits comes via those who have taken the time to mathsify every last detail......
Finally, people overlook specialisation in eve. There is a limit to how many SP you can have in drones. Once you have those, your drone capabilities are precisely the same as any other player with drones maxed.
Min-maxers in any aspect of eve, the market, pvp, industry, pve are indeed smart...but, a chunk of them play games that are considered to have a less smart population...elitism is a thing, huh?
Finally, take a look at GD and tell me that Eve has a more mature player base |
Job Valador
Super Moose Defence Force
299
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:33:00 -
[68] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:sally Deninard wrote:Malcanis wrote:No Means No wrote:The difference between them is about 9 million people
That should put things in perspective for you. It's rather less now. WoW is bleeding subs at a very rapid rate. So is eve Really? Since when? MMO data has no new figures for this year from CCP but it doesn't look like it is bleeding subscriptions but things do not look great http://www.eve-offline.net/?server=tranquilityespecially if you compare the numbers with the time of Incarna in June 2011. But having said that there was a large spike a few days ago.
How many times doens it have to be said its a yearly trend.
On topic, EvE is my first MMO. I hope to have no others. "The stone exhibited a profound lack of movement." |
Frying Doom
2677
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Posted - 2013.10.18 08:46:00 -
[69] - Quote
Job Valador wrote:
How many times doens it have to be said its a yearly trend.
On topic, EvE is my first MMO. I hope to have no others.
Looking at that fair enough the subs at this time last year were about the same amount. So Tranquility has failed to grow, while Serenity has taken a nose dive. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
sally Deninard
mss industry
75
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Posted - 2013.10.18 09:06:00 -
[70] - Quote
wow is down 4% leaving 96 % of its subs since the launch of MOP leaving it at 9.6 million. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. |
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:05:00 -
[71] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve.
And considering how large that playerbase is, that is an achievement.
WoW is starting to show its age a little, for sure. I stopped playing in January of this year, but my spouse still plays from time to time, so I keep up with what's going on. My take on the rapid loss of subs this year: the developers wanted to herds people away from farming dungeon content endlessly for welfare epics, and then sitting around in the cities bored, as happened in the previous two expansions. How did they do this? By putting in dailies. Lots of dailies. Dailies tied to faction reputation and achievements, with really nice gear rewards available on top of that. These rewards and achievements weren't mandatory, but much of the WoW playerbase are either completist types who feel they need to get all the things, or raiding min/maxers who feel like they must get all the things.
The result? Mass frustration and burnout. There was much venting and raging about this on the official WoW forums in fact. It's the reason I quit. I was in the completist category. I enjoyed the dailies at first, but I found myself overwhelmed and exhausted. I left. I may go back someday; I love Blizzard's games. They make mistakes, but their games are just flat-out incredible.
And I have to admit it -- sometimes I miss being able to hop on the back of a drake and soar over Northrend.
One more thing. People on the outside laugh at the "childishness" of the "pandas" in the last expansion without understanding that the Pandaren have been in the game since its RTS days and that their storyline is in fact rather depressing and violent. Anyway, I have to laugh at the elitist harumphing on this one, it reads like elderly Victorian ladies at a garden party gossiping about someone else's bad manners.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1790
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded.
This is a case of a common mistake people make - that just because something is popular, that means it's good quality. Obviously, as EVE players, we understand that quality comes in niche-form, due to taste being somewhat relegated to a minority of the population due to the fact that everyone just tends to like what everyone else likes for the sake of being liked.
But if popularity was an indication of quality, then Justin Bieber's music would be much better than it is. People who claim that something is better because it's popular just need to be reminded of tthat little detail and they often cave to spluttering and making excuses instead of actual arguments based on any kind of merit. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
545
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Posted - 2013.10.18 12:36:00 -
[73] - Quote
ElQuirko wrote:Your title is going to get you in a looooooooooooooot of trouble.
There is no trouble in GD, only more fun. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:00:00 -
[74] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Gerald Sphinx wrote:But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded. This is a case of a common mistake people make - that just because something is popular, that means it's good quality.
(All we have to do is look at a game like League of Legends to disprove the popularity = quality assumption. *shudder* )
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. Shame on you for trying to throw out numbers to a community that is generally unaware of the happenings in wow.
Wow is down to 7.7 mil at last count from It's peak of 10 million with the launch of MoP expansion. And down from an all time high of 12 million in 2010..
And this was of last count every wow player knows its down from even then. In fact since you want to toss numbers around they haven't been this low since the release of the game they had over 8 mil before bc hit.
So instead of trying to throw around arbitrary numbers let's look at trending. Wow is on a huge downward spiral while EVE has hit its all time high just this year. Now stop being a wow fanboy and get off these forums.
Source. http://www.powerwordgold.net/2013/07/world-of-warcraft-subscribers-2005-2013.html?m=1
And sadly I still play due to rl friends and my wife I have seen this decline and it's not on the rise anytime soon |
Metamonic
Bubbles Bubbles Bubbles
8
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Posted - 2013.10.18 14:07:00 -
[76] - Quote
I played both Eve and Wow since their inception, I have nothing really bad to say about either, but I am currently spending all my free gaming time on Eve Online. My reasons:
- I am a Sci-fi fan at heart
- After years of Wow, I realized that there is no such thing as accumulated wealth, every expansion devalue the efforts of the last. In Eve I could take a year's break and return to a still much valued collection of swag. Bragging rights are immensely important for some players.
- I feel a sense of wonder how much I enjoy my 'self-inflicted quests' if you will, when playing Eve. I set up a goal (indy player) that carries with it a multiple step plan of execution and follow it through until completion. It gives me a great sense of accomplishment. I guess this is the much recited sandbox argument.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
203
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:23:00 -
[77] - Quote
Like everyone else who actually has the knowledge to "compare" the two games, the answer is "stop comparing apples to oranges"
For me, WoW was a ton of fun - probably more fun than EVE. I was part of a strong raiding guild, and our core group was rocking 25 man raids up until I left at the end of Cata (they're still raiding so far as I know). The endgame raiding scene was continually getting better, not worse; comparing the mechanics in place in Cata with those in TBC, there is now a lot more personal responsibility in raid fights versus anything like old school raids. WoW keep setting the bar higher (and ensuring that people not only needed situational awareness, but also a decent amount of addons and macros). It was fun knowing that three nights a week, for three hours, the same group of people would be getting together to dissect, learn, and master new content. A lot like playing any team sport, without having to leave the house. Downside, of course, was that if you had 23 people ready to play instead of 25, you weren't going to be able to raid, and you needed to do what you could to improve your gear in your own time to make sure you weren't holding everyone else back.
EVE is . . . EVE. I stopped playing WoW largely because I couldn't even commit to 9 hours/week anymore, and didn't want to play if I couldn't raid. So I switched to EVE (and EVE was certainly a swtich): not being able to log on and instantly find fights (in fact, sometimes roaming for over an hour before even finding a fight) was frustrating at first. ****** UI was frustrating at first. The fact that there is very little advantage to having "twitch" skills was frustrating at first (I hear inty pilots talk about their piloting skill and just kinda grin and shake my head). So, kind of a ****** game.
But losing your ship in EVE means a lot more than a graveyard run, and the backgrounds are fantastic for any hardcore sci-fi nerd. It makes the "PvP" have a different flavor, even if on the whole it's kind of bland. A small gang v. small gang on a lowsec gate is, often times, going to have a predetermined conclusion, but your heart races a little faster when that enemy covops provides a warpin on your kiting gang than when a rogue uncloaks in an arena, so while EVE PvP is somewhat lacking, it makes up for it in being a little more meaningful. And while it's not always there on demand, setting up/staging fights (including the decision of whether to fly Logi/EWAR/DD, how to tank, am I kiting or brawling, should I switch to another ship because our current fleet comp needs it, etc) is always interesting.
If I had to write a TL:DR, I'd say that playing WoW is more like participating in an event, and EVE is more like a hobby. Best thing about EVE is the devs are very communicative and the game is on a slow-but-steady trend of getting richer. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
447
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:27:00 -
[78] - Quote
There is really no benefit to 'comparing' these games or declaring one as 'better'. They are completely differant games that are trying to appeal to vastly differant people. |
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
203
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:30:00 -
[79] - Quote
polly papercut wrote:sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. Shame on you for trying to throw out numbers to a community that is generally unaware of the happenings in wow. Wow is down to 7.7 mil at last count from It's peak of 10 million with the launch of MoP expansion. And down from an all time high of 12 million in 2010.. And this was of last count every wow player knows its down from even then. In fact since you want to toss numbers around they haven't been this low since the release of the game they had over 8 mil before bc hit. So instead of trying to throw around arbitrary numbers let's look at trending. Wow is on a huge downward spiral while EVE has hit its all time high just this year. Now stop being a wow fanboy and get off these forums. Source. http://www.powerwordgold.net/2013/07/world-of-warcraft-subscribers-2005-2013.html?m=1And sadly I still play due to rl friends and my wife I have seen this decline and it's not on the rise anytime soon
Actual humans who play EVE is probably around 200k. The fact that WoW can basically shrug off the loss of 10 times the total level of total EVE players says a lot about the health of WoW.
Niche games like EVE are about narrow focus, but also about milking the hell out of that niche. EVE milks away by having a monthly sub cost that ranges from $30-$60/mo. (one or more alt accounts) and by sale of PLEX. SWTOR does it with their godawful Cartel Packs, drubbing some whales for hundreds of dollars a month in addition to relatively pointless subscriptions.
WoW's not a niche, it's broad based, and makes up for it with a staggering amount of subscriptions and lots of on-the-side microtransactions. And that staggering amount of subscriptions will have to hit (and stay below) 5 million before anyone chould really raise an eyebrow about the health of the game.
I am not an alt of Chribba. |
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
9
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:37:00 -
[80] - Quote
It's simply lowest common denominator that affects population size. WOW does a very good job at making it's game appeal to the masses. To do that, they have to keep it simple, straightforward, linear and for lack of better term "fluffy". Eve doesn't do that.
The best comparison is if 10 people were given a choice between spending an hour in a room with a poodle or a mean junkyard dog probably 9 out of 10 would chose the poodle. 1 out of 10 would choose the junkyard dog. Why? Eff him that's why. Those are your Eve players. |
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Atlantis Fuanan
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
35
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:46:00 -
[81] - Quote
I must say, i have tested WoW aswell once. Basicly it's just the basic 101 MMO you see around these days. Leveling up for high level stuff (as armor for female chars gets thinner and thinner while providing more armors O.o), explore new areas and fight for loot. Some people seem in the need to have a kind of notification that he or she did well. If anyone of you ever has played COD or BF 3+ you know what i mean. EVE is just different, it's, atleast i do tell so when i talk to friends about EVE, about trust, tactic, decission and consequences. You don't get a "You are awesome"-Badge, or similar like that, you just have to realize WHAT you did or achieved by yourself. Be is escaping a ganking alive, participating in a massive battle and contributing to the end of it or plain and simple how much ISK you managed to achieve by the time you played. EVE is until now the longest-played MMO i EVER had, i have played and tested pretty much all of them, these chinese/korean products en mass aswell complet different approaches to this genre. EVE is just so massiv you can't really say it's "another mmo-game". Things that would make EVE better: NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:49:00 -
[82] - Quote
Atlantis Fuanan wrote:I must say, i have tested WoW aswell once. Basicly it's just the basic 101 MMO you see around these days. Leveling up for high level stuff (as armor for female chars gets thinner and thinner while providing more armors O.o), explore new areas and fight for loot. Some people seem in the need to have a kind of notification that he or she did well. If anyone of you ever has played COD or BF 3+ you know what i mean.
Buh? WoW is nothing like either of those games. Also, you think making all of EVE NRDS would make it better? The hell?
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Black Canary Jnr
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
19
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:I must say, i have tested WoW aswell once. Basicly it's just the basic 101 MMO you see around these days. Leveling up for high level stuff (as armor for female chars gets thinner and thinner while providing more armors O.o), explore new areas and fight for loot. Some people seem in the need to have a kind of notification that he or she did well. If anyone of you ever has played COD or BF 3+ you know what i mean. Buh? WoW is nothing like either of those games. Also, you think making all of EVE NRDS would make it better? The hell?
NRDS is 'eve on hard mode'. NBSI is for pussies. Provi 4 lyf.
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Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
96
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:14:00 -
[84] - Quote
Black Canary Jnr wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:I must say, i have tested WoW aswell once. Basicly it's just the basic 101 MMO you see around these days. Leveling up for high level stuff (as armor for female chars gets thinner and thinner while providing more armors O.o), explore new areas and fight for loot. Some people seem in the need to have a kind of notification that he or she did well. If anyone of you ever has played COD or BF 3+ you know what i mean. Buh? WoW is nothing like either of those games. Also, you think making all of EVE NRDS would make it better? The hell? NRDS is 'eve on hard mode'. NBSI is for pussies. Provi 4 lyf.
NRDS is EVE on administrative nightmare mode.
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Montevius Williams
The Scope Gallente Federation
636
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:Last night I was in class and had a discussion with a classmate who is a dedicated World of Warcraft player. Since we were both MMO players in general we often shared tidbits about how things are going in our sides of the MMO worlds. All was fun and good until we started talking about the play style of both games and how good they are in relation to each other. He was even trying to convince me to try WoW for once. I'll take him up on the offer and try the free trial myself just to see first hand how it compares to Eve Online.
Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.
When talking about his game, it seems that whatever ride you have (he calls them "mounts") simply disappears into thin air as soon as dismount from it anywhere in the realms. And apparently each realm has their own separate economy that are so isolated that often times WoW players don't bother with transferring assets between realms due to a heavy tax burden or too many restrictions. At the very least, he said that WoW's economy is about as good and healthy as the Eve economy (I almost chuckled).
To counter his point about the economies of both games, I showed him an article posted on Forbes.com that was posted in December of 2012 saying that Eve Online so far has the best economy there is in the MMO market. But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded.
I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here. You can be scammed out of your hard-earned ISK, suicide ganked in a supposedly safe area of space, suffer at the hands of a monopoly or an oligopoly, get caught in low-sec and ransomed for no reason, and anyone can slap a bounty on you just for making a bad post on the forums, etc. In other words, people die nobody cries. That was the impression I had as to the reason for this.
Yet somehow Eve Online is thriving. Not through subscription numbers but through the community, the economy, and vast flexibility that it offers.
But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture.
I used to be a long time WoW player before I started EVE Online.
WoW sucked after WOTLK, but the Burning Crusade expansion was amazing. I've never had more fun in an MMO than during that time.
EVE is wayyyyy better now. Economies is no contest and I dont know why he's saying that WoW has a better economy because it has more subs. Yes it does have more subs but when no more than 2000 people can be on one server, you dont really hav an economy.
You cant conpare the two games tho, EVE is Hardcore PvP game and WoW is a hardcore PvE game.
WoW is all about taking down raid bosses that have a trillion health and at it's best, you actually needed to use tactics and strategy, had to put guys in the best position to succeed, had to use CC effectively and it would still hoop your ass. Nothing was worse than wiping on a boss with less than 1% health.
WoW in 2005-2007 was epic, but now it's just garbage.
That said, WoW would have to die 10 times over before it gets to the level of subs that EVE has. "The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:23:00 -
[86] - Quote
Black Canary Jnr wrote:Maaaaowm Ogeko wrote:Atlantis Fuanan wrote:I must say, i have tested WoW aswell once. Basicly it's just the basic 101 MMO you see around these days. Leveling up for high level stuff (as armor for female chars gets thinner and thinner while providing more armors O.o), explore new areas and fight for loot. Some people seem in the need to have a kind of notification that he or she did well. If anyone of you ever has played COD or BF 3+ you know what i mean. Buh? WoW is nothing like either of those games. Also, you think making all of EVE NRDS would make it better? The hell? NRDS is 'eve on hard mode'. NBSI is for pussies. Provi 4 lyf.
**** Provi .
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Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.18 17:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
Holy crap!
Five pages in just a two-day span. What's amazing here is that almost every reply posted here is really civilized and constructive. I was afraid that this thread would devolve into an an out-of-control "(insert MMO) is better than (insert competitor)" argument. Thankfully it hasn't.
Just yesterday I gave my friend my email so he can send me a link and get me started. It turns out they have their own recruitment system but it's vastly different than how Eve players recruit new players. I'll likely to get started with testing out WoW over the weekend to see for myself what the hype is all about. If you guys are right, I might get disappointed but at the very least I'm not losing anything by trying.
I am still irked by my friend's statement that WoW is better just because of how popular it is. If popularity is an indication of quality, then by that standard the Twilight Saga would have been much better in terms of actors, plot, etc. But that's not the case isn't it? Instead we got sparkling vampires and a girl who is in a love triangle between necrophilia and bestiality. How the hell is that considered good quality? You want to see quality vampires? Take a look at Hellsing Ultimate 1-10 and you will see how badass vampires are in that series.
Spoiler Alert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wlXzeUlRE |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
98
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:11:00 -
[88] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:Holy crap!
Five pages in just a two-day span. What's amazing here is that almost every reply posted here is really civilized and constructive. I was afraid that this thread would devolve into an an out-of-control "(insert MMO) is better than (insert competitor)" argument. Thankfully it hasn't.
Well, you didn't start off in a trolly or combative tone, and WoW is almost as old as EVE, so nearly everyone is familiar with it. Hell, the Warcraft franchise goes all the way back to 1994.
Enjoy your trial. Know that in 2010, Blizzard completely redid the 1-60 content. These lower levels are ridiculously dumbed down as a result, far too much so IMO, even though the questing can be fun and the writing is good. If you stick it out to around level 58, you can experience the last bits of un-dumbed down old school WoW PvE - the zones that make up Outland. Northrend (70-80) is still the best zone in the game IMO. Cataclysm content (80-85) is awful but mercifully short. Pandaria (85-90) is wonderful.
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Ryhss
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
120
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:27:00 -
[89] - Quote
I played WoW for a few years. It sucked. Partly because it waaas too cartoony. I remember this one time a guy was looking for a group for a raid. He said you must have raid gear, which you can only get on raids. I had never done one so...i quit, never came back, That was bak when Burning Crusade was new. I have been known to spam trade windows with spammers of Jita. It is quite satisfying when they convo you screaming about reporting me for it. It normally provokes me to open another trade window with them. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
571
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:18:00 -
[90] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:Last night I was in class and had a discussion with a classmate who is a dedicated World of Warcraft player. Since we were both MMO players in general we often shared tidbits about how things are going in our sides of the MMO worlds. All was fun and good until we started talking about the play style of both games and how good they are in relation to each other. He was even trying to convince me to try WoW for once. I'll take him up on the offer and try the free trial myself just to see first hand how it compares to Eve Online.
Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.
When talking about his game, it seems that whatever ride you have (he calls them "mounts") simply disappears into thin air as soon as dismount from it anywhere in the realms. And apparently each realm has their own separate economy that are so isolated that often times WoW players don't bother with transferring assets between realms due to a heavy tax burden or too many restrictions. At the very least, he said that WoW's economy is about as good and healthy as the Eve economy (I almost chuckled).
To counter his point about the economies of both games, I showed him an article posted on Forbes.com that was posted in December of 2012 saying that Eve Online so far has the best economy there is in the MMO market. But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded.
I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here. You can be scammed out of your hard-earned ISK, suicide ganked in a supposedly safe area of space, suffer at the hands of a monopoly or an oligopoly, get caught in low-sec and ransomed for no reason, and anyone can slap a bounty on you just for making a bad post on the forums, etc. In other words, people die nobody cries. That was the impression I had as to the reason for this.
Yet somehow Eve Online is thriving. Not through subscription numbers but through the community, the economy, and vast flexibility that it offers.
But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture.
The best fun I had when playing WoW was mailing people 1 flour for 10gold that required them to pay the 10 gold to accept the mail.
When guild banks were first introduced, I was able (had the rights) to loot a good 80% of valuable assets stored and ended up selling/server transferring (hurray WoW "awox").
I also, when Sunwell first came out, was able to "cockblock" the Alliance from getting to their mission agents ("levels" of islands until final content was released) by using the guards' npc mechanics to not get super kicked across the map (hint- it involved a paladin "bubbling" me as a warlock) and of course the whole invade the other faction's city and kill the bankers so people cannot access their stuff.
This was before I remembered about Eve and after I played Everquest, where EVERY boss was a world boss (no shards or instances) and you could grief the **** out of another raid by simply being in the system or competing for the mob.
Back then I did not have the patience for Eve, and now it fits perfectly.
So as much as there are quite a few things you can do in other games, most will get you banned now, it still comes down to being creative and knowing how to use things to your advantage.
Which Eve is awesome for. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2419
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Posted - 2013.10.18 19:29:00 -
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So for full discosure, besides Eve I still have active accounts in the following games (most date from the date of the game launch or even beta in some case)
Everquest Pirates of the Burning Seas WoW
I've played Earth and Beyond from Beta to Lights out (still noodle in the emulator once in a while)
I've als played Ashron's Call, CoH, Anarchy Online, Star Wars Galaxy and many others.
The only online games that have ever kept my interest were EQ, E&B and Eve. I have a WoW account mostly because members of my family play wow. I would rather play EQ if I wanted to play that sort of game.
I like Eve better than WoW like games because:
it is space! it has a real economy! single shard! open ended and very challenging! the players can influence the game more than any other game ever!
I think of WoW as EQ with more cartoonie colors. Wow feels easier and seems geared at more regular new "shinies". I got tired of it very quickly. You might as well just play progressquest.
I do wish Eve had richer and more diverse NPCs and MOBs which I think WoW has.
But the simplest comparison I can think of is..
WoW is chutes and ladders played at a child's slumber party, Eve is 3D chess played against billionaire mentally ill serial killers in the middle of a forest full of wolves, cougars, honey badgers, grizzly bears and snakes.
Issler
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
792
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Posted - 2013.10.18 20:18:00 -
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EVE is also my first, and still by far my favorite, MMO.
One thing which is important to keep in mind is that it's less sensible to talk about the intelligence of the players of any particular game, and more sensible to talk about the intelligence the game demands from them. I know some extremely intelligent and driven people who play World of Warcraft precisely because it's an excuse to steer a brightly colored cartoon around after a long day of being intelligent and driven, while mowing down legions of brightly colored monsters. The whole point is that they don't have to think much; if they did, they wouldn't play. Some of them would make terrifying EVE players if they set their minds to the task, but for their own reasons that's not appealing to them. (I've asked.)
When one of them invited me to join WoW, I did due diligence on the web, and immediately decided that power-leveling held no interest at all. So when I have logged on, which I haven't in months, I mostly just tool around, looking at the landscape, exploring, going into regions that are the next level up from me to see how long I can get away with it, and if maybe I can snag a well-earned kill or some sweet resources. As a result, my character's level is pitifully low for the time I've been playing her, and her equipment is crap (nearly all of it is looted), and she doesn't have a lot of money, but I don't care. The main things WoW offers me over EVE are, the ability to relax, and the ability to "slowboat" around, off the roads, to find a nice vista or enjoy a ride on a flying mount that I haven't seen before, maybe follow a quest chain for a little while here or there.
If I want activity and challenge, I log in to EVE.
However, one of the main reasons for my different experiences of the game has little to do with the game itself and more to do with the fact that I fell in with a small group of good people with a backbone of veteran players in EVE, and I'm mostly either wandering around alone, or just blowing things up with much-higher-level casuals in WoW. I'm sure that WoW can be a social game--in fact, that's pretty much the endgame of any MMO, as I understand it--that's just not how it's worked out for me so far. And I'm fine with that. In fact, I've heard that Blizzard is trying to tailor the game more toward wanderers and less toward people following an unbroken quest chain, and that just might get me to log in again. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
83
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:13:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. Shame on you for trying to throw out numbers to a community that is generally unaware of the happenings in wow. Wow is down to 7.7 mil at last count from It's peak of 10 million with the launch of MoP expansion. And down from an all time high of 12 million in 2010.. And this was of last count every wow player knows its down from even then. In fact since you want to toss numbers around they haven't been this low since the release of the game they had over 8 mil before bc hit. So instead of trying to throw around arbitrary numbers let's look at trending. Wow is on a huge downward spiral while EVE has hit its all time high just this year. Now stop being a wow fanboy and get off these forums. Source. http://www.powerwordgold.net/2013/07/world-of-warcraft-subscribers-2005-2013.html?m=1And sadly I still play due to rl friends and my wife I have seen this decline and it's not on the rise anytime soon
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranqutranquilty data
19/5/2013- 26/5/2013 eve was plugging 39k , a reasonable amount is around 37k avg, it`s dropped down to 33k the numbers are good thank you :) The percentages are good too ( in fact i was probably being a little generous). Wow has been in a steadier decline for longer , i completely agree with you, but over the last 6 months eve is losing a larger percent of its playerbase. Add to this , the incoming threats of Star Citizen and X Rebirth and you have to accept that Eve is not as sure footed as you think. This is not an eve is dying post, it`s just matter of fact. You can kindly keep hold of your forums btw, my subs run out in 24hrs over the somer blink fiasco. I am honestly thinking about nipping back into wow with the wife tho :) |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:21:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote:polly papercut wrote:sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. Shame on you for trying to throw out numbers to a community that is generally unaware of the happenings in wow. Wow is down to 7.7 mil at last count from It's peak of 10 million with the launch of MoP expansion. And down from an all time high of 12 million in 2010.. And this was of last count every wow player knows its down from even then. In fact since you want to toss numbers around they haven't been this low since the release of the game they had over 8 mil before bc hit. So instead of trying to throw around arbitrary numbers let's look at trending. Wow is on a huge downward spiral while EVE has hit its all time high just this year. Now stop being a wow fanboy and get off these forums. Source. http://www.powerwordgold.net/2013/07/world-of-warcraft-subscribers-2005-2013.html?m=1And sadly I still play due to rl friends and my wife I have seen this decline and it's not on the rise anytime soon http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranqutranquilty data19/5/2013- 26/5/2013 eve was plugging 39k , a reasonable amount is around 37k avg, it`s dropped down to 33k the numbers are good thank you :) The percentages are good too ( in fact i was probably being a little generous). Wow has been in a steadier decline for longer , i completely agree with you, but over the last 6 months eve is losing a larger percent of its playerbase. Add to this , the incoming threats of Star Citizen and X Rebirth and you have to accept that Eve is not as sure footed as you think. This is not an eve is dying post, it`s just matter of fact. You can kindly keep hold of your forums btw, my subs run out in 24hrs over the somer blink fiasco. I am honestly thinking about nipping back into wow with the wife tho :)
Wait, you used a ~5 month data set to compare the change in numbers against an ~8 year data set? Please try again, and this time try not to make me laugh so hard. While you're at it, please qualify what makes the two games you've mentioned an 'incoming threat'. I've never even heard of X Rebirth for one, and as for SC, it's a completely different kind of game and I intend to play both of them, just like I didn't ditch EVE for GTA 5 (for very long). You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
83
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:35:00 -
[95] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote:polly papercut wrote:sally Deninard wrote:wow is now at 7.7 million , 92% of its 8.3 million 6 months previous. eve`s weekly login around may june pre expansion is a reasonable 37000. Before the random spike it had fallen to 33000 89% of its june values. Now while you all cuddle up in the fact that this is normal trending in eve, it`s also burnout time in wow. The numbers would certainly suggest that wow is still managing to retain a larger percentage of it`s playerbase than eve. Shame on you for trying to throw out numbers to a community that is generally unaware of the happenings in wow. Wow is down to 7.7 mil at last count from It's peak of 10 million with the launch of MoP expansion. And down from an all time high of 12 million in 2010.. And this was of last count every wow player knows its down from even then. In fact since you want to toss numbers around they haven't been this low since the release of the game they had over 8 mil before bc hit. So instead of trying to throw around arbitrary numbers let's look at trending. Wow is on a huge downward spiral while EVE has hit its all time high just this year. Now stop being a wow fanboy and get off these forums. Source. http://www.powerwordgold.net/2013/07/world-of-warcraft-subscribers-2005-2013.html?m=1And sadly I still play due to rl friends and my wife I have seen this decline and it's not on the rise anytime soon http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranqutranquilty data19/5/2013- 26/5/2013 eve was plugging 39k , a reasonable amount is around 37k avg, it`s dropped down to 33k the numbers are good thank you :) The percentages are good too ( in fact i was probably being a little generous). Wow has been in a steadier decline for longer , i completely agree with you, but over the last 6 months eve is losing a larger percent of its playerbase. Add to this , the incoming threats of Star Citizen and X Rebirth and you have to accept that Eve is not as sure footed as you think. This is not an eve is dying post, it`s just matter of fact. You can kindly keep hold of your forums btw, my subs run out in 24hrs over the somer blink fiasco. I am honestly thinking about nipping back into wow with the wife tho :) Wait, you used a ~5 month data set to compare the change in numbers against an ~8 year data set? Please try again, and this time try not to make me laugh so hard. While you're at it, please qualify what makes the two games you've mentioned an 'incoming threat'. I've never even heard of X Rebirth for one, and as for SC, it's a completely different kind of game and I intend to play both of them, just like I didn't ditch EVE for GTA 5 (for very long). i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:50:00 -
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sally Deninard wrote: i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
You won't, because it's raw data, and extrapolating raw data alone without analysis is a good way of reaching terribad conclusions, especially when your data set is only 5 months.
Here's an example of extrapolated data stacked up with the same data sets of other games. What it shows is EVE Online's linear, positive, and mostly steady subscription growth for over 9 straight years. Even with the huge drop in subscribers during summer of 2011, with the wildly successful 2011 winter expansion, Crucible, they managed to make it in just under the wire with a positive subscriber count at the new year.
The life cycle of an MMO is a vicious one unless you can keep delivering content to the players, which can be difficult with how efficiently they can consume it. WoW has managed to hang on longer than most, but unless something drastic happens, WoW reached it's peak in the 2009-to-late-2010 time frame. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
advii
Kossu and Keppana Inc.
30
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:53:00 -
[97] - Quote
DAE think WoW is for dumb kids and EVE is too hardcore for them to handle, lol |
sally Deninard
mss industry
83
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Posted - 2013.10.18 21:56:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote: i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
You won't, because it's raw data, and extrapolating raw data alone without analysis is a good way of reaching terribad conclusions, especially when your data set is only 5 months. Here's an example of extrapolated data stacked up with the same data sets of other games. What it shows is EVE Online's linear, positive, and mostly steady subscription growth for over 9 straight years. Even with the huge drop in subscribers during summer of 2011, with the wildly successful 2011 winter expansion, Crucible, they managed to make it in just under the wire with a positive subscriber count at the new year. The life cycle of an MMO is a vicious one unless you can keep delivering content to the players, which can be difficult with how efficiently they can consume it. WoW has managed to hang on longer than most, but unless something drastic happens, WoW reached it's peak in the 2009-to-late-2010 time frame. So the real question is why aren`t people logging in?
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:08:00 -
[99] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote: i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
You won't, because it's raw data, and extrapolating raw data alone without analysis is a good way of reaching terribad conclusions, especially when your data set is only 5 months. Here's an example of extrapolated data stacked up with the same data sets of other games. What it shows is EVE Online's linear, positive, and mostly steady subscription growth for over 9 straight years. Even with the huge drop in subscribers during summer of 2011, with the wildly successful 2011 winter expansion, Crucible, they managed to make it in just under the wire with a positive subscriber count at the new year. The life cycle of an MMO is a vicious one unless you can keep delivering content to the players, which can be difficult with how efficiently they can consume it. WoW has managed to hang on longer than most, but unless something drastic happens, WoW reached it's peak in the 2009-to-late-2010 time frame. So the real question is why aren`t people logging in?
Who says they're not? And if that is the case, why does people not logging in automatically mean there's something wrong with the game? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
sally Deninard
mss industry
83
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:24:00 -
[100] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote: i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
You won't, because it's raw data, and extrapolating raw data alone without analysis is a good way of reaching terribad conclusions, especially when your data set is only 5 months. Here's an example of extrapolated data stacked up with the same data sets of other games. What it shows is EVE Online's linear, positive, and mostly steady subscription growth for over 9 straight years. Even with the huge drop in subscribers during summer of 2011, with the wildly successful 2011 winter expansion, Crucible, they managed to make it in just under the wire with a positive subscriber count at the new year. The life cycle of an MMO is a vicious one unless you can keep delivering content to the players, which can be difficult with how efficiently they can consume it. WoW has managed to hang on longer than most, but unless something drastic happens, WoW reached it's peak in the 2009-to-late-2010 time frame. So the real question is why aren`t people logging in? Who says they're not? And if that is the case, why does people not logging in automatically mean there's something wrong with the game? you must have missed the blink thread then.... |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
477
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:27:00 -
[101] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:... But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture. If I were you I would turn it around. Offer your kind help with going through many things in EvE and let him try it out. EvE maybe harsh but to get the gist of the game is not hard when shown by a friend. ISD Ezwal Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
246
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:29:00 -
[102] - Quote
Eve is a guitar, a simple instrument that takes years to master and has an infinite amount of ways to make music.
World of warcraft is a music box. You spin the dial and it plays a pretty song.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
457
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:38:00 -
[103] - Quote
Plus wow is for pussies... Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1791
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:42:00 -
[104] - Quote
sally Deninard wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:sally Deninard wrote: i don`t see any up graphs on the data site :D
You won't, because it's raw data, and extrapolating raw data alone without analysis is a good way of reaching terribad conclusions, especially when your data set is only 5 months. Here's an example of extrapolated data stacked up with the same data sets of other games. What it shows is EVE Online's linear, positive, and mostly steady subscription growth for over 9 straight years. Even with the huge drop in subscribers during summer of 2011, with the wildly successful 2011 winter expansion, Crucible, they managed to make it in just under the wire with a positive subscriber count at the new year. The life cycle of an MMO is a vicious one unless you can keep delivering content to the players, which can be difficult with how efficiently they can consume it. WoW has managed to hang on longer than most, but unless something drastic happens, WoW reached it's peak in the 2009-to-late-2010 time frame. So the real question is why aren`t people logging in? Who says they're not? And if that is the case, why does people not logging in automatically mean there's something wrong with the game? you must have missed the blink thread then....
Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
457
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:16:00 -
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Eve online is technically better than WOW on so many levels, the economy is better, the setting is better and the attitude to property and loss is actually much more realistic, however I am not going to say that Eve is more fun than WOW because fun is subjective and the amount of fun you derive from a game is based very much on your internal mental disposition towards it.
Comparing EVE with WOW is comparing apples and oranges. They are both fruit, they both taste great, but neither can replicate the other and neither should try too.
I personally would never play WOW as pseudo fantasy doesn't really appeal to me, I like Sci Fi though Eve is also a game that takes extended amounts of time to do well, because I don't have much time at the moment due to work pressures I also log on to Star Conflict which is a freelancer style space shooter.
It barely qualifies as an mmo, the market is crap and interaction with other players is extremely limited. It's also very heavily instanced and when you lose a ship you more or less respawn immediately into the battle and it's still in the hanger waiting for you for your next match. PVP is a blast and highly dependent on player skill as opposed to character skill in eve just like Freelancer was and the gameplay is really good. I have done much more pvp in star conflict than I ever have in eve because the loss is meaningless. In Eve I have to be careful because I've got to work to replace my stuff and that takes time. The gist of what I am saying is that lately due to time constraints star conflict has provided much more fun, but overall Eve online is more satisfying because of the deeper levels of immersion.
Starconflict pvp is just another battle, but EVE pvp is dangerous, edgy and quickens the heart rate so if you were to ask me which game could I live without, then that would be star conflict. Eve is my lifetime companion, but Star Conflict, it's fun but it's just a game, that I will probably eventually get bored off. I think from what I've read and heard about wow that the comparison is pretty much the same. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
David Kir
Statement of Intent
294
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Posted - 2013.10.19 03:16:00 -
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I'l put it this way: what I like about EvE is its realism.
Let's not deny it, the daily routine can be excruciatingly boring. You have to accumulate wealth, you need to manage your resources, you need to gather information and understand the mechanics that rule the world around you. You have to prepare yourself in the way you consider most fitting (a pun?), then face the unknown acting within the restraints of your choices. You have to specialize to become good at something. You need to set your own goals. All of your efforts are rewarded by few precious moments of incredible excitement. And most of all, you have to always take in count external forces.
I play EvE because it enables me to do real things, within an artificial environment of my liking. |
Frying Doom
2742
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Posted - 2013.10.19 03:22:00 -
[107] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market.
Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless.
So can I have your stuff? Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
584
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:32:00 -
[108] - Quote
I played WoW for quite a long time. It offered things that EvE doesn't. Actual content is one.
I played EvE for quite a long time its offers things that WoW didn't. Player made content which is mostly boring mega alliances killing boring victim alliances and apparently gambling sites running RMT operations.
I played Everquest 1 on both Red and Blue servers, it offered what EvE and WoW offered. Yes before EvE there was another EvE like game. You could charm other players and drown them in rivers. You could gank an entire guild in a plane and keep them from recovering their corpses until they expired and make them lose gear that took them years to get - my epic took me over a year to complete and could not be bought like stuff in EvE. You could Awox other players.
Of course they eventually sold to Sony but the point is, WoW is different from EvE and EvE is just copying from EQ and UO. There's no better since its very subjective.
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Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1793
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:33:00 -
[109] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market. Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless. So can I have your stuff?
The main reason I wasn't blowing things out of proportion is because I'm an intelligent person capable of rational logic and the extrapolation of incomplete data sets that doesn't jump to extraordinary conclusions or assumptions.
You failed all of that in just three lines. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Frying Doom
2742
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Posted - 2013.10.19 04:36:00 -
[110] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market. Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless. So can I have your stuff? The main reason I wasn't blowing things out of proportion is because I'm an intelligent person capable of rational logic and the extrapolation of incomplete data sets that doesn't jump to extraordinary conclusions or assumptions. You failed all of that in just three lines. And you have absolutely no sense of humor. Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Don Purple
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
98
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:02:00 -
[111] - Quote
Never played wow. Never Will |
Ryhss
Dry Atomic Fusion Gatekeepers Universe
120
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Posted - 2013.10.19 05:45:00 -
[112] - Quote
I've played tons of MMOs but always come back to Eve. Games: Eve, WoW, Allods, CoH, WoT, DDO, STO, SWG, SWTOR, Rift, WH40K, LOTRO, Warframe, DCUO, DAOC, TESO. There might be more. I have been known to spam trade windows with spammers of Jita. It is quite satisfying when they convo you screaming about reporting me for it. It normally provokes me to open another trade window with them. |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1793
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:09:00 -
[113] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market. Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless. So can I have your stuff? The main reason I wasn't blowing things out of proportion is because I'm an intelligent person capable of rational logic and the extrapolation of incomplete data sets that doesn't jump to extraordinary conclusions or assumptions. You failed all of that in just three lines. And you have absolutely no sense of humor.
That depends on how well I like you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Frying Doom
2744
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Posted - 2013.10.19 07:50:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market. Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless. So can I have your stuff? The main reason I wasn't blowing things out of proportion is because I'm an intelligent person capable of rational logic and the extrapolation of incomplete data sets that doesn't jump to extraordinary conclusions or assumptions. You failed all of that in just three lines. And you have absolutely no sense of humor. That depends on how well I like you. You like me a lot.
Every one loves me, The goons and the CSM sing my praise [There isn't the right emote in these forums for this] Any spelling and grammatical errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
79
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Posted - 2013.10.19 10:53:00 -
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1. In terms of quality, Wow beats EVE into the dirt, no comparison here (the reason is that Blizzard is a financial powerhouse and this allowed them to spend like crazy on wow, whereas, EVE gimps along not even covering broken core game mechanic costs because the player base is so small).
2. in terms of pvp, you will have to get used to a much faster rate of game play, you can get away without hotkey usage in EVE because it plays so slowly but if you want to even remotely be competitive in wow pvp you better have 20 fingers and 50 hotkeys or you're dead before you even start.
3. You will probably learn to prefer the leveling model to the Skill point model if you play a lot since you can level up to max level in days rather than years.
4. i suggest a pvp server if you do play it is more like EVE in that you can be killed almost anywhere.
5. you will miss PLEX if you pay for your account this way, there is no game legal way to do this in wow.
6. the pvp between EVE and Wow follows a similar model, so much so that you can almost equate some ships in eve with classes in wow.
7. If you like the intrigue of EVE, you will miss that as wow really doesnt have anything like it.
8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.
9. Blizzard does a much better job of balancing the needs of all of its player base than EVE does. Eve tends to strongly favor huge alliances and it seems they intend to push the game even further that direction in the future.
10. As to economies: Wow has a much better auction house, the only thing about EVE's market that i prefer is that you cannot flood the market with as many things as you like unless you start making alts to do so because of the skills that limit how many active orders you can have in EVE; whereas, in Wow you can place as many as you want.
Also, you mention burdensome restrictions on transferring assets around the various wow realms, yes this is an issue and comes with both real money costs as well as game money limits. You can beat a lot of this issue by transferring assets instead of game currency. Also, wow has a currency limit per account but again using assets you can bypass the so called 'gold cap'.
11. About the subscription differences: EVE is more hostile and this turns off a lot of players, EVE also is harder to learn how to play, mostly because the EVE dev team is inept. The EVE UI feels like it is 20 years old and this may turn off players used to more modern gaming UI's.
The EVE universe is mostly the same solar system copy and pasted 1000 times; whereas, WOW has richly unique gaming environments. All MMOs have ongoing balance issues to deal with but EVE suffers from broken core game mechanics, the only issue that WOW has that is even remotely similar is its ongoing difficulty balancing the needs of pvp vs pve game play.
12. As to EVE 'thriving' it isnt. EVE has all the parts to make a game that would attract millions regardless of its cutthroat nature but the game is so poorly managed that it doesnt have the real world currency to enrich either its pve or pvp game playing aspects, both suffer from lack of capital to even cover their basic upkeep let alone enrich either of them to any significant degree. Hence EVE "expansions" that are smaller than most 'patches' to WOW. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
562
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:27:00 -
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I used to play wow a bit, and it is fun. It differs from EvE in many regards though. Wow you can jump into and enjoy immediately and not have to worry about anything. The only advantage is that its easy and doesn't require much effort. EvE can sometimes feel like a burden, or a second job (for those with responsibilities). It's a game completely devoid of consequences or loss. Doesn't matter if you die, and doesn't matter what you have. It's all about getting to your maximum level, where supposedly the end-game is, where the best wow has to offer awaits. However, it became quickly apparent to me the pointlessness of it. Once you've hit that celling, you've got all the nice shiny gear, you've done all the raids and stuff, there isn't anything else. Sure, you can own at pvp, have a great arena/battleground team, but essentially that's it. Most people at this point start again, and level a new character and the whole thing repeats. Worse still, you can spend loads of time and effort acquiring all this stuff, becoming the most badass of a character, and the moment an expansion comes out it's all worthless again. You literally throw it all away.
I don't think the word "economy" can even be applied to wow. At the maximum level gold is worthless. The only thing you really need it for is to get the best flying mount, but after that it means nothing. There's nothing left worth saving for. Most items are aquired through kills, rather than created by players. Worse still, their subscription numbers mean nothing. Each server is limited, and varies in numbers, but we're talking like 7000 people online on a server at any one time, as an average (the internet has differing opinions on exact numbers). Each server is completely seperate and don't interact. Nothing like EvE's massive server, where each and every action had a knock on effect on the economy, and where people control direct creation of its goods.
EvE i've always considered vastly superior because it is a game where you can truely lose what you have worked so hard for. I don't think a wow player would engage in pvp at all if the result was the victor looting their body of all their best gear. They'd literally have a heart attack at the very concept. More still, EvE has endless possibilities. There's always something else to can aim to do or achieve. No-wonder Wow subscriptions are falling, when you reach that maximum potential, there's nothing left to do but the same old over and over. Post with your main, like a BOSS! |
Bobby Gearbox
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 11:46:00 -
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Imagine how much would not get done in the real world if everyone played Eve. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58684
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:08:00 -
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Bobby Gearbox wrote:Imagine how much would not get done in the real world if everyone played Eve.
We are already there, except they are all playing GTA. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |
Celeste Lovette
1476
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:24:00 -
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Why is this thread still opened ? "Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself." |
Remiel Pollard
Stirling Iron Society
1796
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:43:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:You like me a lot. Every one loves me, The goons and the CSM sing my praise [There isn't the right emote in these forums for this]
I don't like anyone that I don't know. I don't dislike you, either. You could call it an indifference. It's fine, I don't like the goons or the CSM either, but nor do I dislike them. The fact that I respond to you at all means I don't dislike you. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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ST0NER SMURF
Vrix Nation
173
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:45:00 -
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trolthread ;o
at work they asked me once to play wow so i gave it a try,, omg what a crapgame it is...
they earn somuch mony with that game,,, wel it doesnt show when ya login,, ______________________________________________________________________-á
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Jack Hayson
GAZNOROCK Inc. GANOR INC.
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 12:58:00 -
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Sooo much bias in this thread from people that never touched any of the hard content in WoW...
I play both WoW and EvE.
I really like the "perma death" aspect of EvE and it's implications to PvP and the economy. However what I really miss in EvE is hard PvE content. Perma death kills this off completely because there is no way people would engage into PvE combat when they know that they will loose a couple hundred ships before they manage to defeat it. The feeling you get when your group finally manages to kill an extremely challenging boss after several weeks is the main reason I still play WoW.
So basically I play WoW for the PvE and EvE for the PvP. |
Prince Kobol
1052
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Posted - 2013.10.19 14:02:00 -
[123] - Quote
Personally I will not compare Eve to any Theme Park MMO as they are 2 completely different beasts.
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Weiland Taur
Cerberus Federation WHY so Seri0Us
121
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Posted - 2013.10.19 14:14:00 -
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Are there WOW threads where they sit around talking about how much more hardcore they are then eve players? |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
572
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:25:00 -
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When I was leading our raiding guild in WoW we played more hardcore than most Eve corps do.
Unfortunately, they hosed the game trying to appeal to the 99%ers.
Oh, and a side note, Aion used to be fun as well too. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
572
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:28:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote: Nope, I saw it just fine. I just didn't blow everything out of proportion and overreact to it.
Well as you are fine with RMT. It must be because you don't care if the bottom falls out of the market. Therefore you don't care about your in-game possessions as RMT makes them worthless. So can I have your stuff?
Actually, plex makes them worthless.
It is by far cheaper to buy a plex as opposed to mining for 30 hours a week. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
572
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:30:00 -
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Ryhss wrote:I've played tons of MMOs but always come back to Eve. Games: Eve, WoW, Allods, CoH, WoT, DDO, STO, SWG, SWTOR, Rift, WH40K, LOTRO, Warframe, DCUO, DAOC, TESO. There might be more.
DCUO!
/swoon
I miss playing that game before it became all about the arenas. This post has been signed by Murk Paradox and no other accounts, alternate or otherwise. Any other post claiming to be this holder's is subject to being banned at the discretion of the GM Team as it would violate the TOS in regards to impersonation. Signed, Murk Paradox. In triplicate. |
Murk Paradox
Duty. The Cursed Few
572
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Posted - 2013.10.19 17:34:00 -
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After reading all these posts and getting tired of replying and adding my own comments (yes I know I gab) I'm starting to see where people think the game makes the game.
It's the players that make the game.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
2898
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Posted - 2013.10.19 18:10:00 -
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Seems to me that the classmate is more busy with convincing himself than the OP. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |
Captain Baines
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:19:00 -
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EveGÇÖs economy is much more entertaining to study and participate in than WowGÇÖsGǪbut thatGÇÖs kind of the point. You donGÇÖt play WoW for its economy or intricacy. I played WoW for a while and had a great time with it, especially when playing it with friends. I donGÇÖt like seeing people discount the game because itGÇÖs GÇ£soft,GÇ¥ GÇ£simple,GÇ¥ or GÇ£unrealisticGÇ¥. ItGÇÖs not meant to be. ItGÇÖs meant to be light-hearted fun, and it is, and I think the internet snobbery leveled against it is unfounded. The game -is- fun to many intelligent people, but also has a great appeal to the masses through its simplicity, so you'll find many more...undesirables...in its playerbase. In the end, though, it just became boring for me, and thatGÇÖs where Eve wins in my mind. There is no end to Eve because of the fact that so many have already mentioned; -anything- can happen, and you can do almost anything you want. The two games are just very different kinds of rides. I had some wonderful experiences with WoW, particularly with the ArthasGÇÖs storyline, that IGÇÖll never forget, but to be able to go out in Eve and justGǪ-act-GǪthatGÇÖs the best game-feeling in the world. |
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
456
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:25:00 -
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I was an avid arena player in WoW for many years.
The actual game play of WoW is so much more engaging than EVE. EVE basically boils down to an empire building game for me. I PvP quite a bit the lack of a 'balanced' arena in which to fight against other players in EVE makes me sad. Not today spaghetti. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3203
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:30:00 -
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Murk Paradox wrote:When I was leading our raiding guild in WoW we played more hardcore than most Eve corps do. Unfortunately, they hosed the game trying to appeal to the 99%ers.Oh, and a side note, Aion used to be fun as well too.
That's why I (if I could) would advise CCP to be careful in it's pursuit of more money via EvE. Games that cater to casuals do well at 1st but have no staying power, whereas a great niche game won't make you the same bucket loads of instant cash but will develop a loyal following that will stick with you (i'm reminded of the Mechwarrior/Battletech game community, the Friefly community, and all the Wing commander/Freelancer fans waiting for SC).
WoW is still the powerhouse, but it's shrinking catering to the ADHD crowd isn't the best long tern business plan lol.
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3203
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:32:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:I was an avid arena player in WoW for many years.
The actual game play of WoW is so much more engaging than EVE. EVE basically boils down to an empire building game for me. I PvP quite a bit the lack of a 'balanced' arena in which to fight against other players in EVE makes me sad.
EVE has never been that kind of game. You're basically looking for a Boxing match in a world dominated buy no holds barred ghetto street fights.
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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
456
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:45:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I was an avid arena player in WoW for many years.
The actual game play of WoW is so much more engaging than EVE. EVE basically boils down to an empire building game for me. I PvP quite a bit the lack of a 'balanced' arena in which to fight against other players in EVE makes me sad. EVE has never been that kind of game. You're basically looking for a Boxing match in a world dominated buy no holds barred ghetto street fights.
Not really. Would be nice if there was like a 5 v 5 HAC's only or something like that arena. Not today spaghetti. |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3203
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Posted - 2013.10.28 16:53:00 -
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Sexy Cakes wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:I was an avid arena player in WoW for many years.
The actual game play of WoW is so much more engaging than EVE. EVE basically boils down to an empire building game for me. I PvP quite a bit the lack of a 'balanced' arena in which to fight against other players in EVE makes me sad. EVE has never been that kind of game. You're basically looking for a Boxing match in a world dominated buy no holds barred ghetto street fights. Not really. Would be nice if there was like a 5 v 5 HAC's only or something like that arena.
There's nothing stopping you from doing that right now, just find 9 other guys with HACs and have at it.
My corp and several alliances we've been in have tournaments in null sec. You can find a quiet wormhole and do that. It's even better in high sec because unless you are war-decced, or have kill rights, people would have to suicide you to interupt you (unless the guys on the other side bring more than 5, but thats EVE).
That's what EVE is, ie you the player set things up or things just happen (aka the ghetto street fight) vs the game makers giving you an pre-made "arena" for it (boxing match) .
This is the reason the forums tend to explain in screams of "Hell no" when people mention Arenas. Arenas are antithetical to the main idea of EVE. Sponsored Tourneys like the Alliance Tournament are different. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1543
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Posted - 2013.10.28 17:03:00 -
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Hell, Eve is already turning into a massive arena with the make isk in hisec, have gudfytes for lulz in low/nullsec game design.
The only reason this game is still around is because pvp is open-ended and loss is meaningful. Turn it into an arena, and it will all be over in a year tops as everyone gets bored and moves on to the next flashy shiny thing. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Phaade
The Lonetrek Militia Rapidus Incitus Pactum
112
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Posted - 2013.10.28 18:10:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Gerald Sphinx wrote: But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. .
In a moment of weakness I tried the WOW trial a few years ago. I made it less than two hours before uninstalling it again. So my advice to you about giving it a try is don't bother. Mr Epeen
I played WoW purely for PvP.
It was fun, in 2004 - 2006. Everything since then has been absolute garbage. Compared to Eve, it's a children's picture book.
In Eve, you can do damage from day one. In WoW, you need to be max level, and geared, before you can compete. |
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:47:00 -
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I wonder why all messages about SC are getting wiped from GD, but a whole thread dedicated to wow is okay? |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
22192
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Posted - 2013.10.28 19:49:00 -
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Pandora Barzane wrote:I wonder why all messags about SC are getting wiped from GD, but a whole thread dedicated to wow is okay? No competition?
Just kidding... it should be in OOE, actually, as is the EVE vs Star Citizen thread is. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Ivan Krividus
Straightedge and Compass Industrial
18
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Posted - 2013.10.28 20:40:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Played both WoW and EVE for years... Most of us have played WoW, but are ashamed to admit it!
I unfortunately have to agree with this... But i quit a while back for EVE. I dropped GW2 and SC2 just to play EVE as well. It is truly a unique experience, being in New Eden.
I will, however, try EQ Next and see how that goes for me
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:33:00 -
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WOW is a good game. But playing Warcraft before WOW probably helped. I started playing Dec 04 and I think it was a lot better when it was first released and everyone was leveling up. There was a lot more people willing to group up and do areas together.
I started EVE about 10 months later, played for 3 months and went back to WOW. Mostly because in Dec 05 they changed the game font and it was just to much of a hassle trying to read things such as null sec systems and market data. Returned to EVE about 2 years ago for about 3 months. Back again, had a special offer, but probably not for long.
So I spent about 6x more time playing WOW as I have Eve.
WOW does seem to be kind of on the decline and I think you missed the best parts of the game.
What I like is the ignorant ones that are bashing the last expansion with introducing pandas, when they really came from warcraft 3, not WOW.
http://classic.battle.net/war3/pandaren/
Doubt there will be another game that I will spend as much time playing as I have WOW. |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:36:00 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Sooo much bias in this thread from people that never touched any of the hard content in WoW...
Cause they think, somehow it makes them kewl. It really just proves ignorance.
I've done raids, and a lot of pvp in wow and I loved it. Especially the original Alterac Valley. Wish there was a way to get that back. |
Nick Starkey
Exiled Kings SCUM.
2
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:37:00 -
[143] - Quote
There isn't much to compare eve with other than itself. It's a different paradigm than most theme park games thesedays. The only similarity between eve and wow is that both are online games. Their strong points are in totally different areas of the game.
Eve is also one of the very few actual mmorpgs left. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
938
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:41:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:
Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.
Pretty much says it all about your average WoW player.
But they keep the economy alive, so... "meh".
Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies" |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
117
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:41:00 -
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Ive played EvE since 2005 nearly every day for my sins.
I installed WoW and got to the splash screen to log in..........................................and then promptly uninstalled it
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
2764
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:43:00 -
[146] - Quote
If CCP had a WoW budget and a better understanding of the draw of their own game, I think the numbers in EvE would dwarf WoW, pun intended.
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:47:00 -
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Gogela wrote:If CCP had a WoW budget and a better understanding of the draw of their own game, I think the numbers in EvE would dwarf WoW, pun intended.
Not likely. There has only been 1 real expansion in this game in the 10 years of existence. They wouldn't know what to do with it. |
Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
557
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Posted - 2013.10.28 21:52:00 -
[148] - Quote
War Craft isn't bad per se. I played for a few years and had a few 85 toons. The problem is that you have to play several hours a day to get the most out of EVE and seeing I don't always have the time for that I stopped playing. You don't have to run dailies in EVE. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Shadow Love
Dirt Diggers Inc
47
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Posted - 2013.10.28 23:54:00 -
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I did my tour of WoW in the older days of Vanilla and the Burning Crusade, but I quit once they accounced the Arthas expansion. I was tired of grinding all the way to the top gear in Vanilla, and having everything reset instantly in TBC. I was level 60 with a new level cap of 70, by the time I was 65 every piece of gear I had earned the hard way through raiding was outclassed by crap I picked up from generic fetch this-kill that missions. I grinded to the top again in TBC, but I decided I wouldn't ever do it again.
WOW had a lot of draw back in the day. The pvp was fun and challenging, the raids were hard and earning your loot felt really fulfilling. These days though, i can't play lvl 1-100 mage/warrior/thief MMOs. EVE has spoiled me, and even though I am (mostly) a risk adverse carebear the constant danger is what keeps me interested in EVE. I'm older now too, and though I do my fair share of marathon gaming sessions it's nothing like the gaming binges I did in my early 20s to be the king of the hill in WOW so to speak.
EVE doesn't require that of you, which I like.
As far as new players feeling powerless in EVE, I actually miss being new. Now i'm always thinking about isk risk/reward for anything I do... I try to ignore it, I just can't =( |
Arturus Reno
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
17
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:02:00 -
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WOW....ugh
KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!!
Seriously I played the trial years back and thought it was horrible. Any game that a 6 year old can pick up and play with ease is not the place I wanna be. -Arturus Reno- -Skirmish Fleet Commander- -Solar Storm- -Insidious Empire-
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.10.29 01:52:00 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:1. In terms of quality, Wow beats EVE into the dirt, no comparison here (the reason is that Blizzard is a financial powerhouse and this allowed them to spend like crazy on wow, whereas, EVE gimps along not even covering broken core game mechanic costs because the player base is so small).
2. in terms of pvp, you will have to get used to a much faster rate of game play, you can get away without hotkey usage in EVE because it plays so slowly but if you want to even remotely be competitive in wow pvp you better have 20 fingers and 50 hotkeys or you're dead before you even start.
3. You will probably learn to prefer the leveling model to the Skill point model if you play a lot since you can level up to max level in days rather than years.
4. i suggest a pvp server if you do play it is more like EVE in that you can be killed almost anywhere.
5. you will miss PLEX if you pay for your account this way, there is no game legal way to do this in wow.
6. the pvp between EVE and Wow follows a similar model, so much so that you can almost equate some ships in eve with classes in wow.
7. If you like the intrigue of EVE, you will miss that as wow really doesnt have anything like it.
8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.
9. Blizzard does a much better job of balancing the needs of all of its player base than EVE does. Eve tends to strongly favor huge alliances and it seems they intend to push the game even further that direction in the future.
10. As to economies: Wow has a much better auction house, the only thing about EVE's market that i prefer is that you cannot flood the market with as many things as you like unless you start making alts to do so because of the skills that limit how many active orders you can have in EVE; whereas, in Wow you can place as many as you want.
Also, you mention burdensome restrictions on transferring assets around the various wow realms, yes this is an issue and comes with both real money costs as well as game money limits. You can beat a lot of this issue by transferring assets instead of game currency. Also, wow has a currency limit per account but again using assets you can bypass the so called 'gold cap'.
11. About the subscription differences: EVE is more hostile and this turns off a lot of players, EVE also is harder to learn how to play, mostly because the EVE dev team is inept. The EVE UI feels like it is 20 years old and this may turn off players used to more modern gaming UI's.
The EVE universe is mostly the same solar system copy and pasted 1000 times; whereas, WOW has richly unique gaming environments. All MMOs have ongoing balance issues to deal with but EVE suffers from broken core game mechanics, the only issue that WOW has that is even remotely similar is its ongoing difficulty balancing the needs of pvp vs pve game play.
12. As to EVE 'thriving' it isnt. EVE has all the parts to make a game that would attract millions regardless of its cutthroat nature but the game is so poorly managed that it doesnt have the real world currency to enrich either its pve or pvp game playing aspects, both suffer from lack of capital to even cover their basic upkeep let alone enrich either of them to any significant degree. Hence EVE "expansions" that are smaller than most 'patches' to WOW.
Lot of good points here.
One thing that has eluded every programming team that has put together an mmo and blizzard did exceptionally well is spell casting, character control. - you cast a spell in wow it goes off instantly, and they sync that to the server. There is no spell casting lag. It feels seemless and very responsive like you have the server sitting on your LAN.
No other mmo has been able to do that and it is still impressive to me.
It's really to bad cause Rift would be a good game if they used the underlying blizzard model.
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Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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its true, wow was a lot funnier when it was harder to level.. now its just so easy the game really only starts at level 90
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Captain Tardbar wrote:War Craft isn't bad per se. I played for a few years and had a few 85 toons. The problem is that you have to play several hours a day to get the most out of EVE and seeing I don't always have the time for that I stopped playing. You don't have to run dailies in EVE.
I could never do dailies. I just could not run the same quests day after day no matter what it was for. I got by fine without them and I played on and off about 5 years.
Not sure why, but I could play BG's for hours.
Probably the same reason I use to play Unreal Tournament, Enemy Territory, etc for hours at a time, day after day. |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
186
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:11:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded
This is why you have happy slappy mmo's around with not a hint of imagination in letting players take control. |
Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2013.10.29 02:37:00 -
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Terranid Meester wrote:Gerald Sphinx wrote:the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded This is why you have happy slappy mmo's around with not a hint of imagination in letting players take control.
This is where number 8 above shines.
8. You will find that the average wow forum poster is more flexible, intelligent and articulate than the idiot lot that tends to post in EVEs forums, i was absolutely stunned by this when i first started reading and posting on the EVE forums.
It is very true.
Elitist Jerks, Tankspot, Wowhead to name a few. There are many.
Eve you get HTFU, GTFO. Intelligence just spews from this place. |
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
149
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I've got at least 1000 hours in both games ... and hundreds in others too (i played 250 games of Dota 2 in August.. how many hours is that? --- damn those CivV games take a long time... WoT.. did i really grind for those lvl 10 russian tanks without premium ? lol)..
They are both MMO's just as Monopoly and Risk are both board games. But comparing Monopoly to Risk would be very difficult, wouldn't it?
I really think the games are too different to be compared in broad ways. The most clear difference is that WoW is 95% a PVE game even on PvP servers (not much PvP in those instances.. a little while questing depending on your server and what time of day you play).
WoW does have an active PvP community but that out of realm PvP is really more like rounds of a console game than it is an MMO.
Certainly elements of the games can be compared. You can talk about the type of PvP... vs PvP in EVE (as I just began to) You can talk about the economy where 90% of the BIS stuff is BOP in WoW .. starkly different from everything being tradeable.. nothing bindable in EVE.
Well I can go on.
The two just aren't the same Genre.... I'm actually hesitant to call WoW and MMO anymore.... with all its shards, all of its phasing in quest areas.. all of its instanced content that is cross realm or un invadable by others not in the instance group.. I really wouldn't call it an MMO>. but.. there really aren't many MMOs anymore (text MUDs never had instanced dugneons.. tand TextMuds were where MMO's sprang from and the intitial definiton of the games)
.. very very few games are in EVE's genre ... I realy haven't found any tbh .. i guess perpetuum was. . |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
790
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Don't get how EvE players think they are any different than WoW players. It is all about risk reward with very few players taking a risk in either game. Look at the killmails in EvE. Oh another 50 mill SP player station gamed a 100k SP player. Woot! Oh an 8 man gang just jumped a freighter! Yowza. And that is in between Catalyst, Catalyst, Catalyst, Catalyst....
There is a statue on one server on WoW where a guild held off all comers to prevent the completion of a live event. Emergent gameplay?
Full disclosure, played WoW a month and was done with it. But I see no reason to say one game is better than another. If you enjoy your game great. If not, play another one. If someone else enjoys another game, good for them and it shouldn't have any effect on you enjoying yours. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Richard Ramlrez
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2013.10.29 04:12:00 -
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Each part will be right and wrong. WoW and EVE are two different species of the same kind.
WoW has its appeal if you like a fantasy world where you are a hero and have a world with a huge lore to make your story into.
EVE is more like real life. No one will hold your hand, the sky is not blue and there are no flowers to smell in a sunny day. It's basically Blade Runner in space. Evil, Darkness and very little hope of bright days.
Both games are good and that's the reason they are the remaining subscription MMORPGs alive in the market (alongside FF11).
Of course they are not perfect games but EVE, imho, has potential to keep a player interested for much more time than WoW. Of course the player that joins EVE has to be patient to learn the ropes and have a thicker skin to survive ultimate online griefing, but it also rewards the survivors with a more believeable/immersive world. The freedom of being what you want and doing what you want is what makes EVE this gem.
I got enough of hero in shining armor MMORPG types. The combat system in WoW and its clones is the most boring thing ever created. Crafting is dull, and minigames are made for people with low IQ. I never managed t stay in Wow more than 2 months.
Eve imo is also a much healthier game to play. The offline training system is essencial to make players be able to not play the game sometimes.
The grind in Wow is as harmful to players as alcohol and other drugs. The daily quests and the necessity to be always playing the game to keep up with gear that has vertical progression, makes Wow perfect for players that have loads of time to play games per day. Unemployed adults living with their parents, immature lonely adults, kids and teenagers, housewifes, retired people or people with severe disabilities that can't work and are protected somehow by the law through social security.
Oh and theres another thing i hate in Wow and love in EVE. Revenge is for real. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
553
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:37:00 -
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I don't really think it's a good comparision tbh. Why aren't we comparing EVE with, say, Minecraft? Would show a lot of holes in both games' gameplay which would actually be useful to fill
Tbh all the rage and derp isn't about Blizz "making up stuff and squeezing it into the world", as you've shown that they were there since TFT. Thing is, I (and perhaps others) believe that some parts of the lore are better to leave as something more like legend (for the lack of better word in my vocabulary). It's like taking enigmatic Jovians and making them into your average dudes at best and rats at worst by introducing them into the actual EVE. That'd feel kinda the same, I think.
Speaking of WOW, I played it quite a bit. I wouldn't go back to it at this point, but I feel nostalgic about its world (and tbh about that period in my life overall as well ). It was quite beautiful at the time (if you are into that sort of things). |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:18:00 -
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Ah this topic again, again, again...sorry i was just reminiscing
The fact that WoW and Eve are totally and completely different means you cant really compare. Its a little pointless trying to have this argument on Eve forums as well. However I actually really like WoW, its fun its immersive, its got that real fantasy feel, where i think Eve really lacks that in space immersive feeling to be honest. I prefer the WoW type of levelling as well, i believe you should learn how to use something and get better at it buy actually using it, rather than insta train something and poof there it is.
People from WoW do play eve, and the ones that dont, isnt because they want easy mode its because they dont like eve, simple fact. Actually thats a stupid statement. People who say that havent played WoW. Have you played in the battlefields, fought in the bigger battles and skirmishes and dungeons? Being killed by 10 people, its just the same as eve but in space ships. People still camp death point areas and kill you, people at a higher level still come into your area and kill you, the only difference is you dont lose everything.
Eve players think that eve is the holy grail of MMO and because you dont play it, then its because you are scared to. lol. There are a lot of problems with eve, that eve players think make the game, when infact for others stop them playing. Hence we eve continues to struggle to keep new players and has done for many years now.
Eve players remind me of Linux nerds, and WoW players like Microsoft users. Microsoft makes some great products but no matter what , Linux nerds will always hate Microsoft, when secretly they actually like it. Linux will never be as popular as Microsoft but yet Linux guys will always say its better, when infact its has its on major flaws. |
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Khira Kitamatsu
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:26:00 -
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Bryus Aldent wrote:I ran into the same situation with a buddy of mine who is a diehard WoW guy. Found it hard trying to explain that you need an IQ to play EVE, and yet he couldn't understand.
EVE needs no more IQ than any other game on the market. Seriously, if you think EVE is that hard of game, you're delusional. Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Khira Kitamatsu
723
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:27:00 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Sooo much bias in this thread from people that never touched any of the hard content in WoW...
I play both WoW and EvE.
I really like the "perma death" aspect of EvE and it's implications to PvP and the economy. However what I really miss in EvE is hard PvE content. Perma death kills this off completely because there is no way people would engage into PvE combat when they know that they will loose a couple hundred ships before they manage to defeat it. The feeling you get when your group finally manages to kill an extremely challenging boss after several weeks is the main reason I still play WoW.
So basically I play WoW for the PvE and EvE for the PvP.
What perma death? Ponies!-á We need more ponies! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12213
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Posted - 2013.10.29 06:30:00 -
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I presume he means the element of permanent loss.
1 Kings 12:11
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Rekon X
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.10.29 14:54:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:I presume he means the element of permanent loss.
Diablo III Hardcore mode, you die, it's game over. |
Winchester Steele
172
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:08:00 -
[165] - Quote
Rekon X wrote:Malcanis wrote:I presume he means the element of permanent loss. Diablo III Hardcore mode, you die, it's game over.
Diablo 3 is trash. Path of Exile is what D3 should have been. ... |
Barakach
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
166
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:23:00 -
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Pepsi or Coke
Depends, am I added rum to it? |
Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:01:00 -
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ORIGINAL POST UPDATED |
Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
143
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:12:00 -
[168] - Quote
Gerald Sphinx wrote:ORIGINAL POST UPDATED
Well, hate on WoW all you want; at least Rob Pardo, Chris Metzen, Samwise and the gang don't openly hang out with real-money racketeers who run gambling businesses out of their game.
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Knights Armament
Operator Chan
85
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:43:00 -
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Gerald Sphinx wrote:===================EDIT: 11 Nov 2013=================================
Well, I decided not to try it out all after some much further thought on the subject. My classmate was beginning to come across a bit fanboyish and even went as far as telling me that Eve Online is beginning to lose a lot of money as is likely to close done one day. When I asked him for the source of this information, he referred me to an E2GAMING.com website which is basically just a forum where many players from different games come to critic the game they use to play from what he described to me. I tried looking it up but the website seems to have problem loading. Even a Google search turned out empty showing me the same broken link.
Then here is the kicker. Wait for it!
He said that in that website, many players were leaving Eve Online and joining WoW because they haven't received any new content in the past 6 months. WTF? Isn't that the norm? I mean, we already know that updates come once every 6 months anyways. But it seems some players don't like to wait that long for Eve. /facepalm
That's it. I'm not gonna bother with WoW. If this is how WoW players are these days, I don't want any part of it lest I end up becoming like this one classmate of mine.
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Last night I was in class and had a discussion with a classmate who is a dedicated World of Warcraft player. Since we were both MMO players in general we often shared tidbits about how things are going in our sides of the MMO worlds. All was fun and good until we started talking about the play style of both games and how good they are in relation to each other. He was even trying to convince me to try WoW for once. I'll take him up on the offer and try the free trial myself just to see first hand how it compares to Eve Online.
Anyways, apparently this guy finds it stupid that there is no leveling system in Eve and that there are only skill books to train up. He also found it completely lame that if you leave your ship unattended in space someone else (who has the skills to pilot it) can hop into it and jack it from right under your nose. He also didn't like the idea that in Eve Online, our culture is basically the equivalent of a Momma Bird kicking the Baby Bird off the nest to see if it flies. Adapt or Die.
When talking about his game, it seems that whatever ride you have (he calls them "mounts") simply disappears into thin air as soon as dismount from it anywhere in the realms. And apparently each realm has their own separate economy that are so isolated that often times WoW players don't bother with transferring assets between realms due to a heavy tax burden or too many restrictions. At the very least, he said that WoW's economy is about as good and healthy as the Eve economy (I almost chuckled).
To counter his point about the economies of both games, I showed him an article posted on Forbes.com that was posted in December of 2012 saying that Eve Online so far has the best economy there is in the MMO market. But then he dismissed the article as "completely false" by looking at how many subscribers are in WoW (about 2 million or so) compared to Eve (500,000+) saying that WoW is better just because it has more subscribers.
It seems to me this guy is closed minded.
I was under the impression that the only reason Eve Online has so few numbers in terms of subscribers in relation to WoW is because the vast majority of MMO players are just too soft or weak minded to handle Eve Online's cut-throat culture. Many newcomers to Eve tend to leave because they are shocked at how violent the universe is over here. You can be scammed out of your hard-earned ISK, suicide ganked in a supposedly safe area of space, suffer at the hands of a monopoly or an oligopoly, get caught in low-sec and ransomed for no reason, and anyone can slap a bounty on you just for making a bad post on the forums, etc. In other words, people die nobody cries. That was the impression I had as to the reason for this.
Yet somehow Eve Online is thriving. Not through subscription numbers but through the community, the economy, and vast flexibility that it offers.
But I guess I should start reserving my opinion on WoW until I try it out for myself for once. This guy is kind enough to offer me help with going through many things in the game and I like to try it out. If I don't like it, I'll be back to Eve before you know it. Even if I do like it, I might not dedicate myself to WoW as much as I do with Eve considering how much I have gotten use to the Eve culture.
Wow has been out for 11 years almost, how have you never tried it out?
Don't bother https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |
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