- Add some features that don't exist on TQ-- a "duplicate" function would be awesome so you could fit up one ship and then copy it several times instead of having to spend hours and hours fitting the same mods to the same hulls over and over again

SP loss - makes sisi consistent with TQ, if there was a bug with T3 skill loss and no one on sisi loss skills, how would we know before it hit TQ?

Seeding - bad idea. The idea is to keep test conditions as close to TQ as possible, which means not flying the shiniest thing you can fit.

Stuff for sisi only - spending time developing anything that solely serves a purpose for sisi is a waste of time which could be spent developing stuff for TQ.

i agree on the sp loss and seeding issues, sisi isnt thier for peopel to test out a new fit, its there for testing new content and bug squashing

as for stuff for sisi only, they have already developed tools that only get used for testing. the moveme channel is a prime example of this. however i do agree that developing new features should be done before things that would only be used for testing, but if a dev wants to use thier spare time to work on something that does make testing on sisi easier then let them.

one thing i would liek to see, not just for sisi but for tq as well is faction items available on the open market just like faction ships.

also, if they make changes to faction/officer mods then they need to make those available for testing, currently that would mean seeding them via contracts

Seeding any faction stuff always results in people only using them which is far from TQ conditions (partly why CCP is working on fixing the seeding script so they don't get seeded). Seeding faction modules will only result in people flying the best things available which is as far from TQ as you can possibly get.

There are literally setups I want to test that can't be done with T2 items-- not only is the performance drastically lower, but a lot of them won't fit together at all due to fitting requirements.

Making SiSi as much like TQ as possible? Are you joking? Everything costs 100 isk, and I've seen people flying around in things like Adrestias. SiSi is nothing like TQ to begin with. It's a test server, we should be able to test whatever we want. If I want to test deadspace fit tristans I should be able to.

For example, the dudes I play with often want to get on SiSi and test ships we fly (which often have faction gear, or at the very least faction ammo) against groups of "normal" ships that we'd usually encounter on TQ. As it is you either can't do it if its a prospective setup / EFT project, or you can only do it once per mirror if you already own the ship on TQ. It's really frustrating.

listen to CJ... my god....(feels weird to say this :S)

ship testing > THIS IS A TEST SERVER, ITS FOR BUG TESTING, NOT Test-Your-FailFit-ship-server
everything costs 100 isk > good cuz otherwise we couldn't fly anything AT ALL
people in adrestias? > fault in the seeding script, will get fixed IIRC
test whatever we want > THIS IS A TEST SERVER, ITS FOR BUG TESTING, NOT Test-Your-FailFit-ship-server
deadspace fit tristans? > THIS IS A TEST SERVER, ITS FOR BUG TESTING, NOT Test-Your-FailFit-ship-server


also > the dev's don't really want to make a seperate code for sisi, why? cuz its wasting time for a testserver just so whiny little babies can test their failfits and they can better use that time on something usefull like fixing bugs or whatever.

[quote=Missile War]listen to CJ... my god....(feels weird to say this :S)

It's also for balance testing. How are you going to test ship balance without testing all possible fittings? Great argument.

Want more people to test things on SiSi? Make it easy for them to put ships together and play spaceships.

So to summarise : Singularity is for testing for bugs, not to be an EFT with simulation.

the team who created the move-me bot have disbanded and are working on separate projects, so there will be no new test server tools for a long time to come (if ever).

The sisi launcher is very awesome

There are literally setups I want to test that can't be done with T2 items-- not only is the performance drastically lower, but a lot of them won't fit together at all due to fitting requirements.

Making SiSi as much like TQ as possible? Are you joking? Everything costs 100 isk, and I've seen people flying around in things like Adrestias. SiSi is nothing like TQ to begin with. It's a test server, we should be able to test whatever we want. If I want to test deadspace fit tristans I should be able to.

For example, the dudes I play with often want to get on SiSi and test ships we fly (which often have faction gear, or at the very least faction ammo) against groups of "normal" ships that we'd usually encounter on TQ. As it is you either can't do it if its a prospective setup / EFT project, or you can only do it once per mirror if you already own the ship on TQ. It's really frustrating.

SP Loss - This is removing existing functionality, which removes testing of tech 3 ship loss and also would require development time. It's not going to happen.

Contracts are copied over at the start of a mirror, you can either rush to Jita on mirror day and buy them all or hope you kill someone in 6-cz49 with faction mods.
The final option is to go ratting or run dead space complexes.

As I frequently point out, we develop for tranquility and not for singularity, favoring our 45000-50000 daily players over the 200 that frequent Singularity.

This thread is full of facepalm.

Perhaps Singularity shouldn't even exist if the EFT warriors only care about circlejerking and not helping to fix things.

I love how any time anything about expensive **** is mentioned on these forums, all these poor lowsec pirates and newbees appear out of nowhere to yell about how people with SP and isk shouldn't be able to do what they want to. It's pathetic.

Also, I thought one of the first rules of the test server was "don't mass-buy items, it will screw up the server," so deliberately avoided buying hundreds of everything. I won't in the future.

Another point: if you're so obsessed with keeping sisi "just like TQ," then why is faction ammo not seeded? Seriously when do you ever EVER see a PvP ship undock on TQ without faction ammo?

Lastly:




T3 loss still ain't gonna be tested, cause there's no way in hell im going to log onto a test server and play with / lose shipe when I'm subject to the same loss penalties as I am on TQ. Why would I ever, ever do this?




Again, not going to put time into a test server just like I would on TQ-- it's a test server.

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Guess what, moving all items onto the market would benefit TQ as well as sisi, and only CCP could find it problematic to change an existing script so it populates the whole market instead of just most of it.


Way to give a bunch of dumb ******* arguments in support of a totally ridiculous position. Next time just skip to the "we refuse to pay for developers to work on this kind of thing" bit and just leave it at that.

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Balance can be tested on a very broad spectrum using the modules available. There may be fits that are not possible without rare modules, but in comparison to the 350,000 subscribers, there are few players with faction modules.

Fitting ships - Store your fitting, buy [100 x number of modules fitted] of everything you need for that fitting, assemble using stored fittings, you can make a lot of ships in a short amount of time. (This is what was used in the fanfest PvP tournament.)

SP Loss - This is removing existing functionality, which removes testing of tech 3 ship loss and also would require development time. It's not going to happen.

All market Items - The dogma effects of modules can be tested no matter what value of the effect. So for the majority of testing a 5% module is the same as a 10% module. When it has happened in the past the only notable difference was an increase in ban requests.
Contracts are copied over at the start of a mirror, you can either rush to Jita on mirror day and buy them all or hope you kill someone in 6-cz49 with faction mods.
The final option is to go ratting or run dead space complexes.

As I frequently point out, we develop for tranquility and not for singularity, favoring our 45000-50000 daily players over the 200 that frequent Singularity.
On top of this the team who created the move-me bot have disbanded and are working on separate projects, so there will be no new test server tools for a long time to come (if ever).

can I ask CCP to do something? Please ask us to test stuff in a certain category. If you want to test stuff, tell us what you changed and people will test it, and everything relating to it quite thoroughly.