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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.02 10:35:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:People go "OMG" it has BS sized guns!!
Which means fuckall without context. The main advantage of BS guns is range. Commandships or T3's can achieve "battleship" dps (or tank) with medium guns with the right bonuses. The problem with the Talos is that 1, rails suck and will continue to suck even with the current iteration of changes - blasters don't really provide the type of range needed to distinguish it's self from medium turrets in any context. Which was why the web and drones kinda helped.
I also question the cruiser stats... CCP, have you even begun to look into how and why t1 cruisers are (not) flown?
Sure. And how much does a T3 with BS DPS actually cost?
There's your 'context'.
C.
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.02 14:38:00 -
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Onictus wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:For being EVE players ourselves we know the concept of pinning anything in web range to a dead halt with 90% webs before melting faces down with 8 Neutron Blaster Cannons II to be incredibly fun (had a lot of joy with tier 3 battlecruiser first stats myself during the internal play tests  ). So what is the Talos supposed to do against any BS that can field heavy drones and neuts? It simply doesn't have the tank to hang out under the guns, and is neut vulnerable, so are we to understand its meant to be a rail ship, or just sub-par?
Onictus makes a good point here. If the devs had a lot of fun with the Talos, wouldnt players aswell? And could some other aspect be tweaked to prevent the Talos becoming a 'omgpwnzmobile'? Maybe it just has 2 mids (MWD/AB + Web) so it needs support? Or weakening its tank further?
I think (and I may be inviting pain upon myself in a future gank here) that the Gallente Blaster Boat pilots have waited a looooong time to get something good: 8 Neutron Blaster Cannon II face melting is that goodness.
Throw 'em a bone CCP.
C.
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
89
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Posted - 2011.11.02 15:11:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:So these new ships are to be niche ships to be used in whelp fleets in null against the evil the super caps floating out there. I guess I won't be having one in my hanger then.
I am not saying these ships won't be used (well the Naga and Talos might be rather rare critters). But they will be used as the cheap ship replacements for the blobs which puts them below the status of drakes and cains because at least those ships can do other roles.
I am just disappointed as I am sure others here are as well that these new ships and their wonderful models will be nothing more than disposable platforms with no real use outside of the large alliances that can field them in lemming like numbers.
Well it doesn't matter how you cut it, a BC Hull with BS turrets is basically a poor mans BS. What do you actually want? A BC Hull that deals damage like a BS, manoeuvres like a cruiser and tanks like drake? That's obviously not going to happen.
It probably better to view these ships as big Destroyers - they'll probably be quite decent in medium sized groups and able to dish out some fire power but they're not, and never will be, the top of the food chain.
C.
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Cailais
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.11.02 16:47:00 -
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Krell Kroenen wrote:
I just don't see the point of buying a tool that can do only one thing when I can have a tool that can do it's job plus other tasks just as well if not better for the same cost.
That might be a fair point - but what deals BS levels of DPS and BS ranges that costs the same as a Tech 1 BC? More to the point if you don't like them, just don't buy them: its that simple.
C.
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