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Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 01:54:00 - [1] - Quote So according to the latest SISI data dump, all the tier 3 BATTLE CRUISERS lost some speed, HP and had some of their bonuses turned down... Most notable of all was the Talos... Losing it's web bonus AND drones... Either CCP Tallest is preparing one hell of a hybrids boost iteration or gallente specced pilots are in for a long cold hard winter... Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Amro One One. 19	Posted - 2011.11.02 01:57:00 - [2] - Quote Moron, If the last data dump was not public you would not have know about the changes. Moron
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:00:00 - [3] - Quote Amro One wrote: Moron, If the last data dump was not public you would not have know about the changes. Moron I would have been as equally baffled by a t1 gallente ship without drones had I never known the original stats. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 233	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:00:00 - [4] - Quote IT'S BETA N00B!!!! The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 114	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:01:00 - [5] - Quote they're ******* anti-cap platforms, how many times do we have to explain this to people Anyone who is blue to DRF are cowards and have failed Eve. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:01:00 - [6] - Quote Morganta wrote: IT'S BETA N00B!!!! Maybe if we keep quite and offer no comments/feedback as or when we learn of these things everything will end up perfect in the end? Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 297	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:01:00 - [7] - Quote jesus they said that it was a first draft too. Stop being teste! The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why?
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:03:00 - [8] - Quote Headerman wrote: jesus they said that it was a first draft too. Stop being teste! I remember similar comments when the t3 subsystems where announced. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 391	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:04:00 - [9] - Quote They flat out TOLD you the specs listed were for testing. I know we're not used to believing CCP but the ONE thing you can ALWAYS believe them about is when they say something isn't finished.
Xercodo Xovoni Directorate Not Usually Killing Everyone. 132	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:04:00 - [10] - Quote You know CCP is doing something right when half the posts in the single thread are defending them. The Drake is a Lie

Lord Ryan True Xero 72	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:06:00 - [11] - Quote Noob, you're all newbs, knobs and hobbits! Hairy feet little bastards! Get off the guys back, if we learned anything it's CCP will stick it to us if we don't speak up. On the forums we unite ingame it's every asshats for herself. They ban the few, but submit to the many! I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Jerick Ludhowe Shadow Legion Industries Dark Phoenix Rising. 12	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:07:00 - [12] - Quote Original stats from sisi dump were beyond broken... Glad to see that the new "dump" has toned these ships down a bit. As far as the Gallente ship not having drones... Wait till the hybrid re-balance is done before you start crying bloody murder folks.
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:07:00 - [13] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: They flat out TOLD you the specs listed were for testing. I know we're not used to beleiving CCP but the ONE thing you can ALWAYS believe them about is when they say something isn't finished. So no one has any issue with the revision? People seem to be telling me that the Chaos development server stats where the first iteration... Some things changed in a questionible direction on the second revision, now we should keep quite because the previous version was the first iteration... Right. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:08:00 - [14] - Quote Jerick Ludhowe wrote: Original stats from sisi dump were beyond broken... Glad to see that the new "dump" has toned these ships down a bit. As far as the Gallente ship not having drones... Wait till the hybrid re-balance is done before you start crying bloody murder folks. Wait till it's done, then wait a few more years amirite? Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 233	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:14:00 - [15] - Quote yeah, listen up you pack of amateur professors testing numbers requires actually loading them on the server that is unless you folks think its better for CCP to run the numbers on a pad of paper and not an actual game environment The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Vachir Khan TriSeq Defence Group 33	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:14:00 - [16] - Quote The tier 3s aren't supposed to be normal combat ships, they're anti-capital so they don't need the web bonus and they don't need the drones. I tend to avoid fights where caps could happen (find them terribly boring) so I would probably never fly one in combat but I see no issue with that. If they're good at what they're supposed to do and allow swarms of lover sp folks to scare the living crap out of Scap pilots then by Jove it's worth it! Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 391	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:16:00 - [17] - Quote Pattern Clarc wrote: Jada Maroo wrote: They flat out TOLD you the specs listed were for testing. I know we're not used to beleiving CCP but the ONE thing you can ALWAYS believe them about is when they say something isn't finished. So no one has any issue with the revision? People seem to be telling me that the Chaos development server stats where the first iteration... Some things changed in a questionible direction on the second revision, now we should keep quite because the previous version was the first iteration... Right. I'm not even commenting on the stats. I'm only commenting on your surprise that they changed. CCP said it wasn't finished. My god, after all these years, can we agree that is the one thing we can believe them about? They specialize in unfinished, they delivered unfinished, and we're supposed to be surprised? I am not surprised!
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:19:00 - [18] - Quote Morganta wrote: yeah, listen up you pack of amateur professors testing numbers requires actually loading them on the server that is unless you folks think its better for CCP to run the numbers on a pad of paper and not an actual game environment I am talking about the SECOND ITERATION. They have tested internally, made modifications, which I have seen, and are now addressing in this thread. Also, the stuff about this being "Low SP anti capital" stuff is bollocks. These will have the survivability of t1 cruisers, which I hear isn't very long during the typical hellcat fleets these days. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:21:00 - [19] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: Pattern Clarc wrote: Jada Maroo wrote: They flat out TOLD you the specs listed were for testing. I know we're not used to beleiving CCP but the ONE thing you can ALWAYS believe them about is when they say something isn't finished. So no one has any issue with the revision? People seem to be telling me that the Chaos development server stats where the first iteration... Some things changed in a questionible direction on the second revision, now we should keep quite because the previous version was the first iteration... Right. I'm not even commenting on the stats. I'm only commenting on your surprise that they changed. CCP said it wasn't finished. My god, after all these years, can we agree that is the one thing we can believe them about? They specialize in unfinished, they delivered unfinished, and we're supposed to be surprised? I am not surprised! Can you not understand the difference between criticise under desirable change, and criticise change. Nope? Ok. Thought not. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 234	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:23:00 - [20] - Quote Pattern Clarc wrote: Morganta wrote: yeah, listen up you pack of amateur professors testing numbers requires actually loading them on the server that is unless you folks think its better for CCP to run the numbers on a pad of paper and not an actual game environment I am talking about the SECOND ITERATION. They have tested internally, made modifications, which I have seen, and are now addressing in this thread. Also, the stuff about this being "Low SP anti capital" stuff is bollocks. These will have the survivability of t1 cruisers, which I hear isn't very long during the typical hellcat fleets these days. and I bet they make some more later. now STFU and stop being a backseat programmer, its people like you all across the gaming world who cause most game DEVS to never say anything of value. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy

Amro One One. 20	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:24:00 - [21] - Quote Winter expansion does not look like this so it sucks
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:26:00 - [22] - Quote Morganta wrote: Pattern Clarc wrote: Morganta wrote: yeah, listen up you pack of amateur professors testing numbers requires actually loading them on the server that is unless you folks think its better for CCP to run the numbers on a pad of paper and not an actual game environment I am talking about the SECOND ITERATION. They have tested internally, made modifications, which I have seen, and are now addressing in this thread. Also, the stuff about this being "Low SP anti capital" stuff is bollocks. These will have the survivability of t1 cruisers, which I hear isn't very long during the typical hellcat fleets these days. and I bet they make some more later. now STFU and stop being a backseat programmer, its people like you all across the gaming world who cause most game DEVS to never say anything of value. Yep, I'll just keep quiet, continue to pay my subscription and be thankful for whatever we receive broken, unfinished or otherwise... Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Soldarius Peek-A-Boo Bombers 56	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:26:00 - [23] - Quote I don't recall reading a post from CCP saying that the tier 3 BC were supposed to be anti-cap ships. While I don't argue that they could certainly be used in that role, I also agree that we should state what we think of the current stats, while being patient and understanding that they are not even close to finalized. Perhaps CCP is simply trying out extreme stats at the outset, and then will slowly focus in on what is best. Gotta start somewhere. Kind of like that game on The Price is Right, Hi & Lo, where the player guesses a price and the host says higher or lower until the player gets it right or time runs out. "How do you kill that which has no life?"
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 235	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:28:00 - [24] - Quote Soldarius wrote: I don't recall reading a post from CCP saying that the tier 3 BC were supposed to be anti-cap ships. While I don't argue that they could certainly be used in that role, I also agree that we should state what we think of the current stats, while being patient and understanding that they are not even close to finalized. Perhaps CCP is simply trying out extreme stats at the outset, and then will slowly focus in on what is best. Gotta start somewhere. Kind of like that game on The Price is Right, Hi & Lo, where the player guesses a price and the host says higher or lower until the player gets it right or time runs out. Exactly. First of all, the stats are on the public testing server. So, it's pathetic to suggest that we shouldn't offer comment until we see some final sort of state? (How the **** is it suppose to get there in any satisfactory state without feedback?) Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx 79	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:31:00 - [25] - Quote Xercodo wrote: You know CCP is doing something right when half the posts in the single thread are defending them. Sure man, just look at those threads about the ship hangar going away after CCP announced it.
Renan Ruivo Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance 264	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:44:00 - [26] - Quote Oh, the HUMANITY STOP IT /me facepalms... Rated ARG for Pirates. *** you.*
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:45:00 - [27] - Quote so what is the new bonus if not webber? more damage?
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 240	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:46:00 - [28] - Quote MeBiatch wrote: so what is the new bonus if not webber? more damage? Tracking. Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
Pattern Clarc Aperture Harmonics 240	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:46:00 - [29] - Quote Here's the link for the more cultured/seasoned amongst you. http://pastebin.com/wM7eW70C Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 90	Posted - 2011.11.02 02:47:00 - [30] - Quote hmm so its like a mini mega with 8 nuetrons.... i dont mind that at all tbh...



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