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The Cursed
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Posted - 2006.01.31 01:53:00 -
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The hole time we were fighting 5 in your space you didnt lift a finger to help. Now you send a 30 man gank crew to imk to camp us in. You live in tenal i hear. GODS are gonna come visit for a couple days and hang. Be seeing you around ladies.
Member of GODS!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
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Top Hat
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Posted - 2006.01.31 01:58:00 -
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Yaaaarrrr
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:08:00 -
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time to die
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Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:14:00 -
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One's gotta wonder where they have been hiding ehh?
The above thoughts and statements are IC and should be taken as such. |
HadHaFangs
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Vince Draken
One's gotta wonder where they have been hiding ehh?
KIA has been wondering that same question for a while 
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Zarthanon
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: HadHaFangs
Originally by: Vince Draken
One's gotta wonder where they have been hiding ehh?
KIA has been wondering that same question for a while
It's a wonder Eddz didn't make 15 posts asking about it...
Originally by: ParMizaN
i mayv or may nit abe a bit drunk
Originally by: Buddrow
TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:46:00 -
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Barely 1 hour into the campaign and already the smack has started.
Some of you people are pathetic.
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Raven03
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:48:00 -
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Not to Knock you at all man but um venal is not our space. But please don't smack we are more civilized than that.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:50:00 -
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ah well
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"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:57:00 -
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KIA, umm...we don't live in Empire. I know you can only fight while pulling a bait and switch in empire to hide numbers, but thats not our home. If you want to fight you know where we are.
We've never had to fight 5 in our space. So I have no idea what GODS is babbling about. What I do know is that you told us not to interfere with your fight in d7- so we didn't.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Capt Rob
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Posted - 2006.01.31 02:58:00 -
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hmm, can u plz tell me what u would expect you go to bed with 5 and then say this, really quite funny:)
(\_/)
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(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2006.01.31 03:11:00 -
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i wasted more time reading this thread, whats next.
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HadHaFangs
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Posted - 2006.01.31 03:44:00 -
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yeah we came knocking up in tenal, but no one was home :(
/WTS: Used and Defective PA/NBSI WCS |
Serend
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Posted - 2006.01.31 03:51:00 -
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I guess I missed FE fighting 5 in Tenal, Cursed. Were you in gang when that happened, or are you confusing your space with ours? You seem surprised that we would go on the offensive against you when you join our enemies. I'd keep an eye on the guys who have been giving you such vigorous ****jobs on the forums, fella. They may have something else in store for you.
But it does make life interesting, doesn't it?
Serend
Black Lance
NBSI
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.01.31 04:02:00 -
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HadhaFangs, we came looking for you, found your gang but it ran away. Still got to play with one of your Sacrileges though.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Angelus X
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Posted - 2006.01.31 04:10:00 -
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Go F-E!  Claim yourselves another region! 
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Kaker
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:32:00 -
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It is all good fun but there is no need for smack.
-kaker
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KIATolon
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Posted - 2006.01.31 05:40:00 -
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Then I suggest you stop your guys calling "traitor" etc.
That's no fun is it?
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.01.31 08:14:00 -
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Hadha, you need to come up during US late hours :/ Usually when some of us are on the only KIA around is Tjakka.
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Oceana
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:32:00 -
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Well I was in a joint PA/NBSI/FE gang in WH- fighting 5 alongside another F-E gang at the very moment that Persh first announced that NBSI was no longer blue. And I'd been to H-PA only a few days earlier when F-E asked us to bring ships. So it's sad that people only remember what they want to remember.
We have a lot of individual friends in F-E and it's too bad it's come to this, but the fight is on now so standings are reset. Dunno, maybe some of the F-E corps regret this path like we do. Oh well, lets get some good fights in, now that it's gone this route.
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The Cursed
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:38:00 -
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It's ok PA/NBSi we have allaince ready to take over your space once you fail to defend it. So enjoy it while you can.
Member of GODS!! Beer em Good!!!!!!!
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Drakoumel inSpace
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:44:00 -
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kia are the tail of 5 ?????
PS i am not alt 
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Philip Sterling
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:48:00 -
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oh, i think we'll be okay. sounds blobtastic, though.
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Darcuese
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Posted - 2006.01.31 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 31/01/2006 09:54:31
Edited by: Darcuese on 31/01/2006 09:50:49
Edited by: Darcuese on 31/01/2006 09:49:49
Originally by: Oceana
Well I was in a joint PA/NBSI/FE gang in WH- fighting 5 alongside another F-E gang at the very moment that Persh first announced that NBSI was no longer blue. And I'd been to H-PA only a few days earlier when F-E asked us to bring ships. So it's sad that people only remember what they want to remember.
Advice if i may give you. You only backstabing yourself with statements like this. "THINK before you post, its not that hard"
You said "I WAS INVOLVED" and that might be true (I beliave). The problem never was on individual level but on alliance level of helping their "friends"
Do you consider sending few/several pilots to fight is enough what alliance should do?
There was not enough help to be considered as alliance help in fight...FACT
OR if there einght enough pilots active to help FE...then why didnt you just disband?
It was probably something like this:
A: Im bored
B: Me too
A: What will we do
B: Hmm..OH..Lets fight along FE for a bit. Crap..I almoust forgat we suppose to fight against 5.
A: Weeii man..I owe you beer for reminding me that. I wouldnt want them to think we have some other bussines of our own
[ 2005.12.13 23:48:43 ] FE is a dictatorship run by Persh and a couple others. We aren't some pansy democracy where every members opinion count |
Vince Draken
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ramoa Daten
Originally by: Vince Draken
Not Blue Smacktalk It
That coming from an ATUK is sort of irony, isn't it?
exam time at the SWA?
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Ramoa Daten
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Posted - 2006.01.31 12:55:00 -
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Yepp, it is...
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Kabalevsky
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Posted - 2006.01.31 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: teh pR3acH3r
Barely 1 hour into the campaign and already the smack has started.
Some of you people are pathetic.
Coming from a member of Occassus Republica, that makes me laugh...
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Tjakka
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Posted - 2006.01.31 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mephistos
Hadha, you need to come up during US late hours :/ Usually when some of us are on the only KIA around is Tjakka.
well thx and im not even from USA
to bad only time you guys come for me you coem with 7 peeps to come try kill me 
and for KIA only ganks check the killboard for my losses
2 of my hacs losses were all 8vs1 ganks so shut your mouth lil OCC boy
or come and fight like a man 1vs1 and i drop you back to s-e clone station
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Parity
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Posted - 2006.01.31 15:20:00 -
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Tjakka u crazy boy hahhahah!
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2006.01.31 18:53:00 -
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Actually Kia is a little predictable but at least Tjakka does fight. CanĘt say much about the rest when I have to set off the ambush to get a fight testing tanks.
I had some great fights of which I cared less for stats, I play off peak so typically I get the ganks :D
Tjakka your death mail is still up there in your stats as a kill, it comes under your stats if you believe your stats make up who you are please fix.
As for F-E congratulations for finishing propaganda posting 101 at the school of The Five. Never seen so many lies come out from your corps before. Any blind person saw everyone was involved in fighting The Five (less a few rogues).
Allies do not nap there enemies and turn on friends, the GODS will not last the conflict regardless of any outcome!
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J909
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:25:00 -
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Makanzy,
TJ has kia on his kill mail because 2 mins before the fight we were all dueling each other through absolute boredom, hence KIA on the killmail.
anyway just popped on to say hello and not smack =p
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Der Pfaffe
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: MakkAnzy
Tjakka your death mail is still up there in your stats as a kill, it comes under your stats if you believe your stats make up who you are please fix.
I'll try to make this simple for you as we have tried to explain it before but you just don't seem to get it.
Just before you jumped in a couple of our members were testing tanks etc which included TJ.
Very shortly afterwards TJ got blown up by NBSI. The kill mail contained the names of the corp-mates that were shooting at him earlier.
We DO NOT DOCTOR KILL-MAILS, they go up as they come to us.
The stats show that KIA killed a KIA member not an NBSI member so what's the problem. It does not appear as an NBSI loss or as a KIA kill in our recently published 1st week results. We can remove the kill-mail of course but then the loss doesn't appear as a kill for NBSI. Would you rather we did that?
Rather than about go on incessantly about this incident, I suggest you study your own Kill Board and ask why there are 4 BS losses and one Transport ship loss missing...
Ahhhh, but I forgot, NBSI stats aren't important to you only those of other corps. 
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2006.01.31 20:46:00 -
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this thread looks like it is intended to flame NBSI,
F-E shows no respect at all for nbsi and PA, but I think they deserve some.
I want to thank PA and NBSI for the times that they helped us out in time of need.
If we meet in battle I hope we can have a fun fight without much smack.
I'm very sorry it turnend out this way and wish it was different.
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2006.01.31 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff
ah well
Your corp looks kewl Cartiff, wanna join me ?
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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wierchas noobhunter
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Posted - 2006.01.31 21:29:00 -
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ok.... 
soar angelic now recruting |
Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.01.31 22:34:00 -
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Cartiff left E-R? whotz happneed?
i fought along NBSI and like alot of your guys, i also prefer to shoot on .5. 
but face it those who did fight .5. did it on an individual basis, for which they have my respect and <3 but it wasnt an alliance effort
where have you been hiding those 30 man gangs before btw? because its been a really long time since NBSI showed in such force ( cant speak for branch /tenal tough as i havent been there )
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.01.31 23:38:00 -
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Since i'm not in NBSI anymore i can speak my mind without fear of spoiling relations with allies. I could see all this mess looming on the horizon for a while now. Imo, PA's problem is that they have some good corps who haul for the rest of their alliance. NBSI looks to have been dragged down trying to help PA.
With their limited numbers they had to choose between helping PA against RISK or maintaining a bigger presence in FE space. The reason PA was chosen,was because it was obviously the weaker link between the allies. I have heard horrific stories from people i know in PA,they were spreading intel about atuk/risk gangs and some other ppl were posting their wrecking hits against NPCs instead of joining a gang or at the very least paying attention to said intel,only to get ganked shortly afterwards.
When the RISK deal was over, NBSI started to make moves for some capital ships in order to attack H-PA in a proper way, which again had a detrimental effect on their numbers in the field. Not everyone has the same time available to play and not everyone has a second account to do both industry and PvP at the same time. I bet that if PA had given NBSI some battleships for free, you would have seen those 30 ship gangs defending FE space a lot earlier.
The reason the coalition is crumpling is because FE took most of the beating,NBSI tried to boost PA's effort instead of working more closely with FE,and some miscommunication between all 3 alliances.
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WilfredTheSmart
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Posted - 2006.02.01 13:30:00 -
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House of Cards |
Harisdrop
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Posted - 2006.02.01 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
Since i'm not in NBSI anymore i can speak my mind without fear of spoiling relations with allies. I could see all this mess looming on the horizon for a while now. Imo, PA's problem is that they have some good corps who haul for the rest of their alliance. NBSI looks to have been dragged down trying to help PA.
With their limited numbers they had to choose between helping PA against RISK or maintaining a bigger presence in FE space. The reason PA was chosen,was because it was obviously the weaker link between the allies. I have heard horrific stories from people i know in PA,they were spreading intel about atuk/risk gangs and some other ppl were posting their wrecking hits against NPCs instead of joining a gang or at the very least paying attention to said intel,only to get ganked shortly afterwards.
When the RISK deal was over, NBSI started to make moves for some capital ships in order to attack H-PA in a proper way, which again had a detrimental effect on their numbers in the field. Not everyone has the same time available to play and not everyone has a second account to do both industry and PvP at the same time. I bet that if PA had given NBSI some battleships for free, you would have seen those 30 ship gangs defending FE space a lot earlier.
The reason the coalition is crumpling is because FE took most of the beating,NBSI tried to boost PA's effort instead of working more closely with FE,and some miscommunication between all 3 alliances.
QFT I think we have a truth to the point here. I sense that everything is based on beliefs. I just find it hard to believe players nap with whom they want as friends.
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Philip Sterling
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Posted - 2006.02.01 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tjakka
Originally by: Mephistos
Hadha, you need to come up during US late hours :/ Usually when some of us are on the only KIA around is Tjakka.
well thx and im not even from USA
to bad only time you guys come for me you coem with 7 peeps to come try kill me
and for KIA only ganks check the killboard for my losses
2 of my hacs losses were all 8vs1 ganks so shut your mouth lil OCC boy
or come and fight like a man 1vs1 and i drop you back to s-e clone station
i seem to remember mortuus fighting you 1v1 last night in his "sh**ty little AC claw" and you ran away in half structure. you're the only KIA i've ever seen flying alone and you ran with your tail between your legs. oh, and don't make me sort through my chat logs for your rediculous smacktalk in local. i don't think anyone really has any respect for you to begin with, so it shouldn't be necessary for me to post things like that.
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CrimsonLobo
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Posted - 2006.02.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tjakka
Originally by: Mephistos
Hadha, you need to come up during US late hours :/ Usually when some of us are on the only KIA around is Tjakka.
well thx and im not even from USA
to bad only time you guys come for me you coem with 7 peeps to come try kill me
and for KIA only ganks check the killboard for my losses
2 of my hacs losses were all 8vs1 ganks so shut your mouth lil OCC boy
or come and fight like a man 1vs1 and i drop you back to s-e clone station
Yarrr go Tjakka
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.02.01 22:30:00 -
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I think instead of fighting on forums NBSI should be more concerned about defending their territory. They left the war against the 5 to the FE, while looking for fun ganks elsewhere. Now they attacked FE by an act of aggression. Let's see how they can handle The 5 and FE together.
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Kala amortis
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Posted - 2006.02.01 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Moghydin
I think instead of fighting on forums NBSI should be more concerned about defending their territory. They left the war against the 5 to the FE, while looking for fun ganks elsewhere. Now they attacked FE by an act of aggression. Let's see how they can handle The 5 and FE together.
btw FE fired 1st ask hun and FE post was an an of war so stfu and ask ur ldrship why they didnt warn u
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.02.01 23:57:00 -
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Actually Phil, he was at 96 structure points. Was a damn fine fight though, he just didn't have the tank or damage. That web saved him though and he got away.
All around, was a great fight and had my heart racing. I love ceptor dogfighting.
Tjakka is a good pilot, but needs to smack a little less about my beloved AC Claw
Now lets get back to killing, everyone in our alliance needs to beat me in Killmails by the time I finish lunch...get to 24 for today, all of you!
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MakkAnzy
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Posted - 2006.02.02 01:20:00 -
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Only fun ganks I had was with F-E against The Five, now I have to fight my way through F-E to kill The Five.
Seems to me F-E corps should be looking inwards to there problems and not blaining NBSI
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Der Pfaffe
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Posted - 2006.02.02 07:36:00 -
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Originally by: MakkAnzy
Only fun ganks I had was with F-E against The Five, now I have to fight my way through F-E to kill The Five.
Seems to me F-E corps should be looking inwards to there problems and not blaining NBSI
Ironic isn't it... In the past everybody else has had to fight through F-E to get to PA and NBSI. Sounds to me like they got fed up with acting as a meat-shield.
As for their problems, internal or otherwise, I can't comment, but they really do seem to think that PA and NBSI were part of them, which is why they have left your mutual defence pact.
BTW I've never seen so many PA running around empire as I have the last 2 days. Rats leaving a sinking ship???
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Tjakka
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Posted - 2006.02.02 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Tjakka on 02/02/2006 19:51:23
Originally by: Philip Sterling
Originally by: Tjakka
Originally by: Mephistos
Hadha, you need to come up during US late hours :/ Usually when some of us are on the only KIA around is Tjakka.
well thx and im not even from USA
to bad only time you guys come for me you coem with 7 peeps to come try kill me
and for KIA only ganks check the killboard for my losses
2 of my hacs losses were all 8vs1 ganks so shut your mouth lil OCC boy
or come and fight like a man 1vs1 and i drop you back to s-e clone station
i seem to remember mortuus fighting you 1v1 last night in his "sh**ty little AC claw" and you ran away in half structure. you're the only KIA i've ever seen flying alone and you ran with your tail between your legs. oh, and don't make me sort through my chat logs for your rediculous smacktalk in local. i don't think anyone really has any respect for you to begin with, so it shouldn't be necessary for me to post things like that.
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m8 he asked for 1vs1 and i accepted it i got respect for him using a decent AC claw with T2 ammo.
and about running with my tail i havnt seen your crow alone flying at all
and if you dont have respect well i dont realy mind.
cos i dont realy need respect from ppl like you 
ive faught 1vs1 in my inty and afaik all you ppl do is log off wenn you get destroyed well i rather have no respect from a allaince that does that then wenn i do get it cos seems you guys dont have any respect to give in first place
and dont tell em you dont cos ill prove it in my next movie
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Moghydin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: MakkAnzy
Only fun ganks I had was with F-E against The Five, now I have to fight my way through F-E to kill The Five.
Seems to me F-E corps should be looking inwards to there problems and not blaining NBSI
I'm not saying that NBSI or PA didn't fight The 5. I myself was often in M-O when NBSI and PA were the majority in gang. That is not the problem. I don't have all the information, but from what I know, the help FE expected in the main campaign was simply not enough. If you were some friendly corp, it surely wouldn't be a problem, but a different level of participation is expected from friendly alliance. Another issue is your willingness to shoot OUR friendly corps on OUR territory. Sometemes unintentionally as you didn't have the right standings (also communication problem), but sometimes your pilots travelled very far to shoot these corps when the enemy (The 5) was very near.
AFAIK after the NAP with 5 was established, NBSI frig fleet arrived to IMK and started to gank FE pilots, that's how you reacted - by immediately engaging us. I don't say that the current NAP with 5 is without problems at all, but these forums are not a place to discuss them.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.02.02 21:57:00 -
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Mogh, we were told that our standings were revoked and that F-E and 5 would now focus on PA/NBSI, so yes, we reacted by attacking F-E.
As for the constant accusations of going south to attack people, some folks don't seem to realize that Atuk is fairly inactive at certain times. Many a time I've flown into H-PA and been unable to find active pilots, at times like those sometimes people want to attack something, but don't have anything nearby to kill, so they trek a ways, gank some stuff and then come home.
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Cartiff
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Posted - 2006.02.02 22:44:00 -
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i know for a fact that NBSI said to F-E, that if anyone of the northern alliances nap'd [5] then they would instantly be regarded as targets and attacked, NBSI sending ships into IMK is exactly what they said would happen.
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"Uggs386 > omfg i like little boys"
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vince Draken
One's gotta wonder where they have been hiding ehh?
Are you kidding m8???? Havent you heard about the mighty NBSI fleet fighting excellently aginst KIA miners and killing them to prove their excellent PVP skills that makes Chuck norris giggels (sorry HC i had to borrow this one coz it is priceless ) and worth with out respect to the Relaion that FE has with KIA ???
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Yazoul Samaiel
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mephistos
Mogh, we were told that our standings were revoked and that F-E and 5 would now focus on PA/NBSI, so yes, we reacted by attacking F-E.
You just cant fight [5] cant you ?? Not now and not before
Here soemthing out of comedy with thanks to MLM.
http://owp.millennium-eve.com/index.php?comic=./comics/omgwtf0020.png
http://owp.millennium-eve.com/index.php?comic=./comics/omgwtf0019.png
Enjoy
"What ever that doesnt Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:32:00 -
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Originally by: Cartiff
i know for a fact that NBSI said to F-E, that if anyone of the northern alliances nap'd [5] then they would instantly be regarded as targets and attacked, NBSI sending ships into IMK is exactly what they said would happen.
i dont see it as an actual problem that they attacked us, what i find utterly disappointing is the fact that after a few hours of the announcment they manage to field a 30+ gang against F-E while i havent seen a fleet of such size fight the .5. for a long time. and i never saw 30 NBSI in h-pa
out of couriosity i'd like to ask the .5. and NBSI when was the last time you fielded such numbers against .5.?
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:37:00 -
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there was a mix PA/NBSI gang in 9-2 last nite numbering about 23->25..
but they didnt exactly "field" it as such.. closer to "ran and SS'd"
/me shrugs
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Zhalakin
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
there was a mix PA/NBSI gang in 9-2 last nite numbering about 23->25..
but they didnt exactly "field" it as such.. closer to "ran and SS'd"
/me shrugs
aww and i wasnt on so i missed it :(
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:41:00 -
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i meant before the nap tough
ah well the discussion is fruitless anyways, lets just have fun and fight, its a game
Originally by: Oveur
****! Lets nerf it!
To the nerfmobile!
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2006.02.03 13:49:00 -
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PA:
PA brought 30ish to 9-2 when we first shot their pos, but in fairness server was extrememly bad, and it was dead b4 they reached h-pa, and again PA had a fleet (no idea the size, close i pretty much didnt load at all) when we killed it the next day..
last 1 b4 that was the 45 BS fleet in bkg when risk where there, and it wasnt actually to fight us.. we just kinna gate crashed =]
NBSI:
i dont think i have ever seen a NBSI fleet of 30, i think 10->15 is prolly the biggest i've seen..
--thoth
[5],
ex-Curse Alliance
ex-DSMA
We do not go hunting, cuz hunting infers the possibility of failure.. We go killing... |
Shittake
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
PA:
PA brought 30ish to 9-2 when we first shot their pos, but in fairness server was extrememly bad, and it was dead b4 they reached h-pa, and again PA had a fleet (no idea the size, close i pretty much didnt load at all) when we killed it the next day..
last 1 b4 that was the 45 BS fleet in bkg when risk where there, and it wasnt actually to fight us.. we just kinna gate crashed =]
NBSI:
i dont think i have ever seen a NBSI fleet of 30, i think 10->15 is prolly the biggest i've seen..
Well, our alliance is a little bit smaller than PA, and 5. It goes to figure that our gang sizes may be a bit a smaller. Also add in the fact that a small portion of our members (this character for example) have more of an industrial focus.
While I am not a big fan of 5, I must give them kudos for their ability to stir the pot and pit allies against each other. Good job on that.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:31:00 -
[59]
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: thoth foc
PA:
PA brought 30ish to 9-2 when we first shot their pos, but in fairness server was extrememly bad, and it was dead b4 they reached h-pa, and again PA had a fleet (no idea the size, close i pretty much didnt load at all) when we killed it the next day..
last 1 b4 that was the 45 BS fleet in bkg when risk where there, and it wasnt actually to fight us.. we just kinna gate crashed =]
NBSI:
i dont think i have ever seen a NBSI fleet of 30, i think 10->15 is prolly the biggest i've seen..
Well, our alliance is a little bit smaller than PA, and 5. It goes to figure that our gang sizes may be a bit a smaller. Also add in the fact that a small portion of our members (this character for example) have more of an industrial focus.
While I am not a big fan of 5, I must give them kudos for their ability to stir the pot and pit allies against each other. Good job on that.
I don't think .5. had much to do with it. It was PA/NBSI's total disrespect for us and unwillingness to help that got you inot this mess.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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locus 777
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:46:00 -
[60]
I love it when F-E tries to smack like [5]. Your almost like them in every way, not. How you like your new masters? You guys must be kicking yourselves over such a stupid decision. Hows it feel to be 'Meat Shield' V. 2?
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:58:00 -
[61]
It's too bad. I spent a lot of time in NBSI camping the M-O gate or patrolling the pipe side by side with F-E pilots. I personally remember helping guard the m-o gate when Millenium came up with a freighter when they moved into the north.
If F-E had a problem with PA or NBSI perhaps they should have talked to them first. Instead of having Persh toss a hissy fit and kick people out of joint comms for no reason. I'm doing my own thing now so whatever.
I personally have good memories of fighting side by side with F-E and I'm glad of the time I spent in Tenal. Sad good allies turn against each other.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.04 08:33:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Liet Traep
I personally have good memories of fighting side by side with F-E and I'm glad of the time I spent in Tenal. Sad good allies turn against each other.
Yeah. It's too bad things turned out like this. There are some great players and corps in nbsi and pa. I hate shooting at good corps like blacklance and mythos. It is too bad that those alliance's as a whole failed to support the war effort.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2006.02.04 09:02:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Liet Traep
It's too bad. I spent a lot of time in NBSI camping the M-O gate or patrolling the pipe side by side with F-E pilots. I personally remember helping guard the m-o gate when Millenium came up with a freighter when they moved into the north.
If F-E had a problem with PA or NBSI perhaps they should have talked to them first. Instead of having Persh toss a hissy fit and kick people out of joint comms for no reason. I'm doing my own thing now so whatever.
I personally have good memories of fighting side by side with F-E and I'm glad of the time I spent in Tenal. Sad good allies turn against each other.
lots of good pilots in nbsi and pa, dont get me worng. it the alliances as a whole who've failed misserably.
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Mephistos
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Posted - 2006.02.04 09:19:00 -
[64]
No love for OCC Persh? :p
Thoth, just to let ya know, our total fleet for when you started attacking the H-PA POS that day was about 60-70 PA and 20-30 NBSI, problem is half the NBSI fleet crashed trying to get to 9-2, and a lot of the PA fleet crashed comming from BKG. That day was just hell for lag, otherwise we might have had a damn good fight. Oh well :p
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Whaoh
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Posted - 2006.02.04 09:26:00 -
[65]
Originally by: pershphanie
Yeah. It's too bad things turned out like this. There are some great players and corps in nbsi and pa. I hate shooting at good corps like blacklance and mythos. It is too bad that those alliance's as a whole failed to support the war effort.
Some ppl directly involved in d7 and the region have said on this same forum that, back then, you(F-E leadership) have officialy asked NBSI to stay away from the fight in D7 and f-e fights in general.
Did you or did you not ask that?
-W
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 10:38:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Whaoh
Originally by: pershphanie
Yeah. It's too bad things turned out like this. There are some great players and corps in nbsi and pa. I hate shooting at good corps like blacklance and mythos. It is too bad that those alliance's as a whole failed to support the war effort.
Some ppl directly involved in d7 and the region have said on this same forum that, back then, you(F-E leadership) have officialy asked NBSI to stay away from the fight in D7 and f-e fights in general.
Did you or did you not ask that?
-W
Even if that were true, PA/NBSI proved they weren't capable of taking care of their own space why would anyone ask for their help.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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pershphanie
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Posted - 2006.02.04 10:42:00 -
[67]
Edited by: pershphanie on 04/02/2006 10:42:54
Originally by: Whaoh
Originally by: pershphanie
Yeah. It's too bad things turned out like this. There are some great players and corps in nbsi and pa. I hate shooting at good corps like blacklance and mythos. It is too bad that those alliance's as a whole failed to support the war effort.
Some ppl directly involved in d7 and the region have said on this same forum that, back then, you(F-E leadership) have officialy asked NBSI to stay away from the fight in D7 and f-e fights in general.
Did you or did you not ask that?
-W
Yes it is. After we told you that we no longer wanted to be your ally nbsi wanted to send some frigs/npc ravens to help us take on a sniper fleet. Too little, too late.
You guys arent going to be able to talk your way out of this one.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.02.04 10:50:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Darken Two
Even if that were true, PA/NBSI proved they weren't capable of taking care of their own space why would anyone ask for their help.
At what time did NBSI ever have a problem with their own space and requested FE's help? Just curious.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 10:55:00 -
[69]
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Darken Two
Even if that were true, PA/NBSI proved they weren't capable of taking care of their own space why would anyone ask for their help.
At what time did NBSI ever have a problem with their own space and requested FE's help? Just curious.
Oh yes thats it, semantics will save you now.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Shittake
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Posted - 2006.02.04 10:56:00 -
[70]
Edited by: ****take on 04/02/2006 11:05:07
Edited by: ****take on 04/02/2006 10:57:13
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Darken Two
Even if that were true, PA/NBSI proved they weren't capable of taking care of their own space why would anyone ask for their help.
At what time did NBSI ever have a problem with their own space and requested FE's help? Just curious.
Oh yes thats it, semantics will save you now.
ANSWER MY QUESTION!!
You can't because we never called you in to save us, EVER.
You came up and helped NBSI remove Xelas, then you left. Other than that, the only real FE preseance on our space since then was HUN corp POSes in Venal fringe systems which NBSI used, that's it. Period.
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:51:00 -
[71]
Originally by: ****take
Edited by: ****take on 04/02/2006 11:05:07
Edited by: ****take on 04/02/2006 10:57:13
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: ****take
Originally by: Darken Two
Even if that were true, PA/NBSI proved they weren't capable of taking care of their own space why would anyone ask for their help.
At what time did NBSI ever have a problem with their own space and requested FE's help? Just curious.
Oh yes thats it, semantics will save you now.
ANSWER MY QUESTION!!
You can't because we never called you in to save us, EVER.
You came up and helped NBSI remove Xelas, then you left. Other than that, the only real FE preseance on our space since then was HUN corp POSes in Venal fringe systems which NBSI used, that's it. Period.
Let me introduce you to the concept of a Mutual Defence Pact. It means you defend each others space. NBSI havent had any problems in their space because everytime you go 50 jumps in whichever direction and pick a fight, we are there to stop people entering your space. Or have you forgotten RISK and -V-. Especially the fight with -V- was mostly your doing with us doing all the fightin to save your collective asses.
So yea you're right noone ever invaded your space. Thats because we were killing them while they were trying to get to your space. And lets not forget H-PA. What happened to mutual defense then. And dont give me crap about camping gates near empire cos .5. was almost entirely based in H-PA and you were a noshow.
Oh and dont get all high and mighty with me ****take. OCC pilots including Mortuus are teh ones who started another corp to shoot GODS. We don't hold a grudge and thats why you were allied to us. Don't take our kindness for weakness.
Oh and another point, a good ally doesnt have to be called in to help. A good ally turns up regardless. You were bad allies and even worser enemies with all your smacking on the forums.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:00:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Darken Two
Or have you forgotten RISK and -V-. Especially the fight with -V- was mostly your doing with us doing all the fightin to save your collective asses.
Exactly how did you save anyones assess from Risk? They ran friegthers and haulers through your space on a number of occasions to put up and refuel a number of POS's.
As for V, they tried to do the same, I believed they asked permission to pass through tribute to do the same thing, FE said no and had a huge camp in P3 to stop them, NBSI also came down in force to M-O to show them it was a bad idea to try it. I believe both forces jumped into the same low sec system where one the V friegthers were spotted at the same time and crashed the node.
You are the first point of contact for all hostiles but please don't build up your part.
Death and Glory in H-PA
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:04:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Darken Two
Or have you forgotten RISK and -V-. Especially the fight with -V- was mostly your doing with us doing all the fightin to save your collective asses.
Exactly how did you save anyones assess from Risk? They ran friegthers and haulers through your space on a number of occasions to put up and refuel a number of POS's.
As for V, they tried to do the same, I believed they asked permission to pass through tribute to do the same thing, FE said no and had a huge camp in P3 to stop them, NBSI also came down in force to M-O to show them it was a bad idea to try it. I believe both forces jumped into the same low sec system where one the V friegthers were spotted at the same time and crashed the node.
You are the first point of contact for all hostiles but please don't build up your part.
Thank you for proving my point Christopher. Thats excatly why NBSI space was never invaded. Its because we were the ones get killed on your behalf.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:13:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Darken Two
Or have you forgotten RISK and -V-. Especially the fight with -V- was mostly your doing with us doing all the fightin to save your collective asses.
Exactly how did you save anyones assess from Risk? They ran friegthers and haulers through your space on a number of occasions to put up and refuel a number of POS's.
As for V, they tried to do the same, I believed they asked permission to pass through tribute to do the same thing, FE said no and had a huge camp in P3 to stop them, NBSI also came down in force to M-O to show them it was a bad idea to try it. I believe both forces jumped into the same low sec system where one the V friegthers were spotted at the same time and crashed the node.
You are the first point of contact for all hostiles but please don't build up your part.
Thank you for proving my point Christopher. Thats excatly why NBSI space was never invaded. Its because we were the ones get killed on your behalf.
The only thing I proved is how much you overstated your role, PA space was invaded by RIsk I didn't see FE there at all.
The V situation wasn't even a problem for anyone, while it was happening were on Vent trying to get FE to let V in, we wanted them to come up. I am sorry but your ego is way overblown.
Death and Glory in H-PA
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:30:00 -
[75]
Risk situation had very little to do with F-E, they came to tribute just for fights, if they had to transport anything they used pb route that was clear and friendly to them. they mounted good invasion on bkg and d4r, they lost d4r becouse not refuling posses and bkg, well im not sure actually(fuel/bugs/26 posses that we put up in one day/whatever). after hostilities with five they had to use tribute but it was over anyway. my point is just that in the metter of RISK invasion u did for PA as much as PA did for D7-ZAC
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:57:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Trefnis
Risk situation had very little to do with F-E, they came to tribute just for fights, if they had to transport anything they used pb route that was clear and friendly to them. they mounted good invasion on bkg and d4r, they lost d4r becouse not refuling posses and bkg, well im not sure actually(fuel/bugs/26 posses that we put up in one day/whatever). after hostilities with five they had to use tribute but it was over anyway. my point is just that in the metter of RISK invasion u did for PA as much as PA did for D7-ZAC
Did you consider that that was prolly because PA got FE to agree never to enter PB. Talk about being shortsighted. Also FE did engage RISK on multiple occasions.
Christopher: The -V- thing, are you trying to say that being allies means you go **** people off and then we have to let random people throguh our space so you can get fights? And then watch as they pull stunts like NBSI with KIA in Vale. You're just proving me right and makign yourself look stupid at the same time.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2006.02.04 14:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Trefnis
Risk situation had very little to do with F-E, they came to tribute just for fights, if they had to transport anything they used pb route that was clear and friendly to them. they mounted good invasion on bkg and d4r, they lost d4r becouse not refuling posses and bkg, well im not sure actually(fuel/bugs/26 posses that we put up in one day/whatever). after hostilities with five they had to use tribute but it was over anyway. my point is just that in the metter of RISK invasion u did for PA as much as PA did for D7-ZAC
Did you consider that that was prolly because PA got FE to agree never to enter PB. Talk about being shortsighted. Also FE did engage RISK on multiple occasions.
Christopher: The -V- thing, are you trying to say that being allies means you go **** people off and then we have to let random people throguh our space so you can get fights? And then watch as they pull stunts like NBSI with KIA in Vale. You're just proving me right and makign yourself look stupid at the same time.
I know nothing about the KIA "incident" as I was not in NBSI then, but NBSI originally was never about sitting in our space mining and NPC'ing, we went looking for fights becuase we were bored, we took the fight into GW against V until they stopped fighting back and everyone got bored. And actually being allies means knowing what type of people you are allied with and accepting it. I can clearly see your point because the 5 have never started a fight in thier history.
Death and Glory in H-PA
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.04 14:19:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Darken Two
Originally by: Trefnis
Risk situation had very little to do with F-E, they came to tribute just for fights, if they had to transport anything they used pb route that was clear and friendly to them. they mounted good invasion on bkg and d4r, they lost d4r becouse not refuling posses and bkg, well im not sure actually(fuel/bugs/26 posses that we put up in one day/whatever). after hostilities with five they had to use tribute but it was over anyway. my point is just that in the metter of RISK invasion u did for PA as much as PA did for D7-ZAC
Did you consider that that was prolly because PA got FE to agree never to enter PB. Talk about being shortsighted. Also FE did engage RISK on multiple occasions.
Christopher: The -V- thing, are you trying to say that being allies means you go **** people off and then we have to let random people throguh our space so you can get fights? And then watch as they pull stunts like NBSI with KIA in Vale. You're just proving me right and makign yourself look stupid at the same time.
I know nothing about the KIA "incident" as I was not in NBSI then, but NBSI originally was never about sitting in our space mining and NPC'ing, we went looking for fights becuase we were bored, we took the fight into GW against V until they stopped fighting back and everyone got bored. And actually being allies means knowing what type of people you are allied with and accepting it. I can clearly see your point because the 5 have never started a fight in thier history.
Ok whatever man. I'm sick of forum whoring for today. More forum bashing will be conducted tomorrow.
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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Mortuus
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Posted - 2006.02.04 15:45:00 -
[79]
Quote:
OCC pilots including Mortuus are teh ones who started another corp to shoot GODS. We don't hold a grudge and thats why you were allied to us. Don't take our kindness for weakness.
This is true, then again you owed us somewhere around 500mil in loot from one of our haulers now didn't you. Also refused to pay it. I won't talk about how it ended because those of us involved were asked never to talk about it by your leaders.
But yes, its in the past, and I hold no grudges. Except against maybe BoB, they haven't been getting as much forum attention lately. <3 BoB and our late night raids into BKG.
Occassus Republica, NBSI |
Mark A
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Posted - 2006.02.04 17:11:00 -
[80]
Re participation, [5] KB says:
The Forsaken Empire
# Kills 1877.26
# Losses 9325.00
NBSI Alliance
# Kills 917.42
# Losses 2261.00
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Kills
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Naphtalia
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Posted - 2006.02.04 17:46:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Mark A
Re participation, [5] KB says:
The Forsaken Empire
# Kills 1877.26
# Losses 9325.00
NBSI Alliance
# Kills 917.42
# Losses 2261.00
Mark, this means that if 20 F-E + 1 NBSI are on 5 killmails both alliances get teh same killpoints? and of course if in that same battle NBSI loses 1 ship and F-E loses 6 ships F-E losses will be higher then NBSI loss points for that engagement?
Just trying to understand the numbers :)
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XWERFTS
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Posted - 2006.02.04 18:14:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Mark A
Re participation, [5] KB says:
The Forsaken Empire
# Kills 1877.26
# Losses 9325.00
NBSI Alliance
# Kills 917.42
# Losses 2261.00
Mark, this means that if 20 F-E + 1 NBSI are on 5 killmails both alliances get teh same killpoints? and of course if in that same battle NBSI loses 1 ship and F-E loses 6 ships F-E losses will be higher then NBSI loss points for that engagement?
Just trying to understand the numbers :)
No it means you sucks.. You would have a better survival rate just by ejecting you ships..
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Mark A
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Posted - 2006.02.04 21:01:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Naphtalia
Originally by: Mark A
Re participation, [5] KB says:
The Forsaken Empire
# Kills 1877.26
# Losses 9325.00
NBSI Alliance
# Kills 917.42
# Losses 2261.00
TBH I'm not sure the exact rules for these stats, but as a rule killpoints are divided among everyone on the killmail, so corp totals _should_ be proportionate.
Mark, this means that if 20 F-E + 1 NBSI are on 5 killmails both alliances get teh same killpoints? and of course if in that same battle NBSI loses 1 ship and F-E loses 6 ships F-E losses will be higher then NBSI loss points for that engagement?
Just trying to understand the numbers :)
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Kills
There is no lag in...BOARDING SHIP... |
BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.02.04 23:28:00 -
[84]
A lot of people fail to put the perspective into the numbers. I can't check exact figures right now as i'm at work,but let's suppose for simplicity's sake that FE stands at 2.5k members and NBSI at 500,with all the alts/2nd accounts/non-PvP characters included. You can't expect an alliance of 500 to field the same amount of ships an alliance of 2.5k ppl does.
Suppose now that FE fields 100 ship fleets. That means that due to the above reasons, RL commitments and timezone differences, we have 4% of the FE members making a show in any given situation. If NBSI was to show 100 ship fleets,that would mean a 20% participation. If they were expected to maintain a presence of the same percentage (4% that is), guess how much that is...20 ships.
You can't commit dreads with a 20 man gang,they'll get horribly slaughtered without support. What you can do is support the ops of your allies who have bigger numbers. NBSI has always been excellent in skirmish warfare and they can do very well with a mixed gang of 20 tech2 frigs,HACs and a competent cov ops pilot.
If the whole lot of NBSI/PA/FE couldn't come up with a way to use this mobile force to lock down a system so the dreads could attack H-PA,it's because they couldn't communicate effectively and coordinate as they should,which has been said a lot of times already.
What would a gang like that be useful for? I recall countless engagements of NBSI against -V-,with numbers in local being 2vs1 or 3vs1 in favor of -V-,yet we managed to maintain a positive kill/loss ratio most of the time. A small,mobile hard hitting force with some decent scouting can pick off every single enemy straggler or ship coming to reinforce the enemy side.
It's the kind of gang that gives you 1-2 free kills every time the enemy makes a slight mistake,with minimal danger to you,as you are fast enough to kill 2-3 BS/HACs and warp out. I distincly recall killing an eagle on a gate as 40 of his buddies were jumping in,i got tackled in my vaga by a ranis which i put in armor,called will fireblade in his claw to speed the kill up,aligned and warped out safe.
However, if people can't find a use for the most demoralising tactic to the enemy,the good old "no friendly losses" ganksquad,they will tell these guys to get in BS and guess what,it will not work that well because of the limited numbers. Small numbers means you have to be fast and hard hitting, not waltzing along in a cumbersome BS. Who would send a 10 man commando team to do the job of an artillery battery?
I think Chris summed it up quite nicely here
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
And actually being allies means knowing what type of people you are allied with and accepting it.
If the north needed an industrial powerhouse with gazillions of BS as their new neighbor in tenal,they should have called someone else to help evict Xelas.
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Yakti
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Posted - 2006.02.05 02:23:00 -
[85]
F-E, stab their friends in the back, then go sleep with their enemies ...
And I see the numbers are dropping .... time to get some .5. corps in the alliance, sint that what u r after? (Now I guess its actually the opposite, but you are simply too dumb to see this)
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Darken Two
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Posted - 2006.02.05 03:47:00 -
[86]
Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
A lot of people fail to put the perspective into the numbers. I can't check exact figures right now as i'm at work,but let's suppose for simplicity's sake that FE stands at 2.5k members and NBSI at 500,with all the alts/2nd accounts/non-PvP characters included. You can't expect an alliance of 500 to field the same amount of ships an alliance of 2.5k ppl does.
Suppose now that FE fields 100 ship fleets. That means that due to the above reasons, RL commitments and timezone differences, we have 4% of the FE members making a show in any given situation. If NBSI was to show 100 ship fleets,that would mean a 20% participation. If they were expected to maintain a presence of the same percentage (4% that is), guess how much that is...20 ships.
You can't commit dreads with a 20 man gang,they'll get horribly slaughtered without support. What you can do is support the ops of your allies who have bigger numbers. NBSI has always been excellent in skirmish warfare and they can do very well with a mixed gang of 20 tech2 frigs,HACs and a competent cov ops pilot.
If the whole lot of NBSI/PA/FE couldn't come up with a way to use this mobile force to lock down a system so the dreads could attack H-PA,it's because they couldn't communicate effectively and coordinate as they should,which has been said a lot of times already.
What would a gang like that be useful for? I recall countless engagements of NBSI against -V-,with numbers in local being 2vs1 or 3vs1 in favor of -V-,yet we managed to maintain a positive kill/loss ratio most of the time. A small,mobile hard hitting force with some decent scouting can pick off every single enemy straggler or ship coming to reinforce the enemy side.
It's the kind of gang that gives you 1-2 free kills every time the enemy makes a slight mistake,with minimal danger to you,as you are fast enough to kill 2-3 BS/HACs and warp out. I distincly recall killing an eagle on a gate as 40 of his buddies were jumping in,i got tackled in my vaga by a ranis which i put in armor,called will fireblade in his claw to speed the kill up,aligned and warped out safe.
However, if people can't find a use for the most demoralising tactic to the enemy,the good old "no friendly losses" ganksquad,they will tell these guys to get in BS and guess what,it will not work that well because of the limited numbers. Small numbers means you have to be fast and hard hitting, not waltzing along in a cumbersome BS. Who would send a 10 man commando team to do the job of an artillery battery?
I think Chris summed it up quite nicely here
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
And actually being allies means knowing what type of people you are allied with and accepting it.
If the north needed an industrial powerhouse with gazillions of BS as their new neighbor in tenal,they should have called someone else to help evict Xelas.
Nice speech and all. But it seems NBSI has no problem assembling a fleet to fight FE. It was only a problem when fighting the .5. Now isn't that strange. and if they were so great, why are E-R and Maza barking at everyone from another alliance?
Originally by: Blind Fear
Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
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BlackDog Rackh'am
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Posted - 2006.02.05 04:10:00 -
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I'm not barking at anyone or giving speeches,i'm just stating a couple obvious things. As i have said in another post, it's those remaining in NBSI who most wanted to work with you. E-R would have shot you and decided to leave so as not to spoil the game for them. Maza is and has been a small corp,about a dozen active ppl. We had a vote wether to stay in NBSI or go with E-R (with whom even a merge was discussed at some point) and you can guess how the vote went. Nothing much besides that.
I just used some simple mathematics, that's all
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2006.02.05 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: BlackDog Rackh'am
I'm not barking at anyone or giving speeches,i'm just stating a couple obvious things. As i have said in another post, it's those remaining in NBSI who most wanted to work with you. E-R would have shot you and decided to leave so as not to spoil the game for them.
There's truth to that. After E-R left some of them came back to shoot at F-E and there was friction between those pilots and NBSI because NBSI wanted to be good neighbors and allies and didn't want E-R shooting F-E. It didn't have to come to F-E fighting NBSI and PA. If someone had actually taken 5 minutes to talk this could all have been avoided.
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