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Karlponken	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:38:00 - [1] I'm a quite new player (1m sp), bought my raven a week ago, took alot of time to get it insured, and yesterday I lost it in a Lv3 Mission. Teh Suck. So I was wondering, should I get a caracal instead since it isn't expensive to insure or just get an insurance to my raven and risk losing it? This is a really difficult decision for me, feels like a huge "downgrade" to get the caracal again, but as I said im still to new/poor to fly the raven.. Thanks in advance!
bundy bear	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:42:00 - [2] Definately. The most important thing to be able to do before you start flying your first BS against NPC's is know you can escape if things turn bad. Make sure you have enough anti-frig guns + drones to take out whatever is scrambling you then you should be fine. When you are first using a BS a stab or 2 and some small guns is a must until you get used to the ship and the NPC's.
Hoshi	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:43:00 - [3] For level 3s a ferox is the perfect ship for you. It's inbetween caracal and raven. Btw 1m sp is way too early to get into a battlship imho.
ZilverFox	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:44:00 - [4] ASk somebody how to fit an raven out with an tank and train this skills neaded, then you can do lvl 3 alot better in an raven. Starting to fly raven wiht 1mill skill points isent an smart ideer you probaly dont have any ideer of how to substain it. I might look like it got alot of sheild and armor but if you dont tank, it will go away very fast. Learn to tank og fly caracel.
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:45:00 - [5] I don't mean do cause offense here, but please, do NOT get into a Battleship with 1m skillpoints! You need at leaast that amount in both learning and missiles to even begin using the ship properly. On top of that, you'll need level 4 or 5 in pretty much all the Shields and Engineering skills to keep your tank going. Train up your advanced learning skills to help you get the other skills mastered quickly, get the missiles skills (including the new ones) to at least level 4 to help you hit smaller targets, train Caldari Battleship to level 4, and get some good fitting, shields, engineering and drones skills first. In the mean time, have fun flying a Caracal. They are still great ships with half decent missiles/shields skills! ~Free production, refining and POS resouces site~
Karlponken	Posted - 2006.01.31 11:48:00 - [6] Thanks alot all of you, you helped me alot. I'll go for a Ferox or Caracal until I can master the Raven. Thanks again!
voguemeister	Posted - 2006.02.03 14:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Jon Hawkes I don't mean do cause offense here, but please, do NOT get into a Battleship with 1m skillpoints! You need at leaast that amount in both learning and missiles to even begin using the ship properly. On top of that, you'll need level 4 or 5 in pretty much all the Shields and Engineering skills to keep your tank going. Train up your advanced learning skills to help you get the other skills mastered quickly, get the missiles skills (including the new ones) to at least level 4 to help you hit smaller targets, train Caldari Battleship to level 4, and get some good fitting, shields, engineering and drones skills first. In the mean time, have fun flying a Caracal. They are still great ships with half decent missiles/shields skills! what he said
Filan	Posted - 2006.02.03 15:04:00 - [8] Skills and money are the main thing keeping me from a raven. i see no use in a BS that i cant use to 100% of its ability. not to mention my 10k shields Ferox will mission just fine.
Britannica	Posted - 2006.02.03 19:45:00 - [9] I have a raven and most often use it when doing missions as part of a gang, I find a raven most effective with smaller ships supporting with 1 mil SP you can have be effective with a caracal or ferox but I would recomend you be careful with both, with a ferox try and make the most of the resistance bonus
Jennifae	Posted - 2006.02.03 19:50:00 - [10] ferox is a very good choice for lower skilled caldari pilots.
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.02.03 20:20:00 - [11] Originally by: Filan Skills and money are the main thing keeping me from a raven. i see no use in a BS that i cant use to 100% of its ability. not to mention my 10k shields Ferox will mission just fine. See, this one is a tough mentality. If moving into a Raven underskilled allows you to function 10% better than how you function in your Ferox then why not do it? I am in a Raven and I am underskilled for piloting it. I probably should move back to a Ferox, I was just getting "comfortably skilled" in that ship. Underskilled in a Raven, I can lay waste to most level 3 missions soooo much faster than in my Ferox. It is simply a range and dps issue. In my Raven, I warp in, toggle my sensor booster and kill everything without ever engaging my engines. Then I warp back and collect my bounty/bonus ... rinse and repeat. Am I underskilled? Depends on whom you ask, but yes I am marginally underskilled IMHO. But who cares, Level 3 missions are trivial to solo in a Ferox, they are stupidly easy in a BS. Unfortunately I never was one for easy or money/time. So I generally play the level 3 missions when I am limited for time. Level 4 missions are a whole lot more fun in my Raven. They were getting pretty boring in my Ferox as well. Easy but not quick. In my Raven they are quicker but not as easy.
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.02.03 20:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Jennifae ferox is a very good choice for lower skilled caldari pilots. /agree
Benglada	Posted - 2006.02.03 21:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Arakasai Originally by: Filan Skills and money are the main thing keeping me from a raven. i see no use in a BS that i cant use to 100% of its ability. not to mention my 10k shields Ferox will mission just fine. See, this one is a tough mentality. If moving into a Raven underskilled allows you to function 10% better than how you function in your Ferox then why not do it? I am in a Raven and I am underskilled for piloting it. I probably should move back to a Ferox, I was just getting "comfortably skilled" in that ship. Underskilled in a Raven, I can lay waste to most level 3 missions soooo much faster than in my Ferox. It is simply a range and dps issue. In my Raven, I warp in, toggle my sensor booster and kill everything without ever engaging my engines. Then I warp back and collect my bounty/bonus ... rinse and repeat. Am I underskilled? Depends on whom you ask, but yes I am marginally underskilled IMHO. But who cares, Level 3 missions are trivial to solo in a Ferox, they are stupidly easy in a BS. Unfortunately I never was one for easy or money/time. So I generally play the level 3 missions when I am limited for time. Level 4 missions are a whole lot more fun in my Raven. They were getting pretty boring in my Ferox as well. Easy but not quick. In my Raven they are quicker but not as easy. A decently skilled ferox will beat the liveing crap out of an underskilled raven, ANY TIME. --------------------------- Originally by: Wrangler Unfrtinately you dnot get to vote..
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.03 21:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Jon Hawkes I don't mean do cause offense here, but please, do NOT get into a Battleship with 1m skillpoints! You need at leaast that amount in both learning and missiles to even begin using the ship properly. On top of that, you'll need level 4 or 5 in pretty much all the Shields and Engineering skills to keep your tank going. Train up your advanced learning skills to help you get the other skills mastered quickly, get the missiles skills (including the new ones) to at least level 4 to help you hit smaller targets, train Caldari Battleship to level 4, and get some good fitting, shields, engineering and drones skills first. In the mean time, have fun flying a Caracal. They are still great ships with half decent missiles/shields skills! hey, my shield skills suck ass, so do my missile skills and i solo a tripple 1.8mil or officer+escort spawn anytime =P
Meruth	Posted - 2006.02.03 21:08:00 - [15] Aslong as you can use xl booster, cap relays, amps, active hardeners and heavy missiles, you should be fine on lvl3 missions imo
Arakasai	Posted - 2006.02.03 21:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Benglada A decently skilled ferox will beat the liveing crap out of an underskilled raven, ANY TIME. Such a simple easy response with absolutely nothing whatsoever to back it up. Did you miss the part where I stated that I pilot both? Did you miss the part where I stated I do level 3 AND 4 missions faster in my Raven currently than I do in my Ferox? Did you miss the part where I actually supplied backup to my statements? Apparently I missed the part where I said a Raven could beat a Ferox complete with relative skill analysis? Funny because I completely missed the part where you provided anything useful whatsoever? ---------- Just like anything else there is a grey area. There was a time when moving to my Raven from my Ferox would have actually caused a decrease in my ability to accomplish my missions. I did not move to my Raven until it was an improvement to my Ferox. I am still however underskilled for a Raven. So no, a decently skilled Ferox will not necessarily beat the hell out of an underskilled Raven "ANY TIME".
Asurix	Posted - 2006.02.03 21:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Arakasai Originally by: Filan Skills and money are the main thing keeping me from a raven. i see no use in a BS that i cant use to 100% of its ability. not to mention my 10k shields Ferox will mission just fine. See, this one is a tough mentality. If moving into a Raven underskilled allows you to function 10% better than how you function in your Ferox then why not do it? I am in a Raven and I am underskilled for piloting it. I probably should move back to a Ferox, I was just getting "comfortably skilled" in that ship. Underskilled in a Raven, I can lay waste to most level 3 missions soooo much faster than in my Ferox. It is simply a range and dps issue. In my Raven, I warp in, toggle my sensor booster and kill everything without ever engaging my engines. Then I warp back and collect my bounty/bonus ... rinse and repeat. Am I underskilled? Depends on whom you ask, but yes I am marginally underskilled IMHO. But who cares, Level 3 missions are trivial to solo in a Ferox, they are stupidly easy in a BS. Unfortunately I never was one for easy or money/time. So I generally play the level 3 missions when I am limited for time. Level 4 missions are a whole lot more fun in my Raven. They were getting pretty boring in my Ferox as well. Easy but not quick. In my Raven they are quicker but not as easy. A decently skilled ferox will beat the liveing crap out of an underskilled raven, ANY TIME. who cares, he's talking about missions
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.02.04 00:26:00 - [18] If he just lost his Raven in a lvl 3 mission, I think it's a pretty safe bet he's a little too new for one. If you're running lvl 4 missions in a Raven, and are running lvl 3s much more quickly, then clearly, you've got the skills to do so. As it is, the OP would probably be best served by picking up a Ferox, and sticking to it for a while. A couple of insured Ferox losses aren't going to hurt nearly the way a couple of Raven losses will. Shoot, the Raven costs as much to insure as the Ferox costs to build in the first place. Harry Voyager ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Legenda	Posted - 2006.02.04 00:32:00 - [19] It¦s one thing to fly a Raven and another to actually be able to proper fit and use one ..... With your skills you dont possible cant fit to the second.... Go back to cruisers and get your skills up .... The Ferrox would be a exellent choice for l 3 missions... [ 2005.12.07 17:45:23 ] Ikvar > Are you really that stupid? [ 2005.12.07 17:45:30 ] Spr1nger > YES
Al Thorr	Posted - 2006.02.04 00:43:00 - [20] Edited by: Al Thorr on 04/02/2006 00:43:34 Now you understand the abiltity to fly a ship is far far away from the abitlity to handle a ship. losing a bs in a lev 3 mission is tbh a disgrace - and you should be ashamed!, one has to ask as to wether or not you have enough skills to handle a cruiser ? If you believe you have, then it is evident you havent as per your track record All this proves my point in scrapping insurance. and make your misjudgement hurt. Regards Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.

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