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Amber Kurvora
Turalyon Plus Turalyon Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Amber Kurvora wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Amber Kurvora wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
Your experience of the game would be greatly improved
If you didnt watch terrible movies
While you played
Seriously
Watch better Brooks movies
They are Legion for They are Many
Oh come on, it wasn't so bad if you watched it as a kid. Admittedly watching it as an adult is a chore, but there's still a few good jokes amongst the bad Brooks. Any meaning here is lost utterly on us Americans. When we think of Brooks Films, we think of "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles". So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians. Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion. Clm the freak down. Jesus. I'm wondering who the heck this other Brooks is, that's all. And I clarified who the other one was with just titles, and no opinion about at all.
Either learn to read correctly or stop being so delusional and paranoid.
But it's Eve...? |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
808
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:10:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Except for about 3 lines, that was Mel's most juvenile effort, and even he admits it was the beginning of the end for him.
But congratulations on being the only person I've run into in 48 years who disses "Young Frankenstein" and "Blazing Saddles". That's actually a pretty brave and daring stance tbh.
I didnt Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |

Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2192
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not.
Also, in a lot of science fiction warp speeds are measured in distances, because you are actually warping space. If your warp bubble means you travel only 1 parsec to a destination 30 parsecs away, that is a measurement of your warp capability.
So in Star wars when Han Solo said "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?GǪIt's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs", that's what it meant.
From the Star Wars Wiki;
"The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec route" "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
808
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:12:00 -
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Amber, I think Krixtal has gone slightly mad
He seems to think there's two Mel Brooks
That somewhere I said something that is obviously not true
And hes taking your words a wee bit seriously Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58879
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:13:00 -
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Amber Kurvora wrote:
So wait, are you claiming American's somehow have superior cinematic taste based on your own view of reality? Because I have a one word answer to that: Kardashians.
Look, just because you feel you have a superior take on Brooks films, doesn't mean that every other bugger has to avoid finding something to love about a bad Brooks film. Why do I say this? Because it's the only principal that explains Adam Sandler's film career in my opinion.
I don't watch network television, much less reality shows. I've never seen an Adam Sandler film.
"Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
808
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:13:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:
Also, in a lot of science fiction warp speeds are measured in distances, because you are actually warping space. If your warp bubble means you travel only 1 parsec to a destination 30 parsecs away, that is a measurement of your warp capability.
So in Star wars when Han Solo said "You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon?GǪIt's the ship that made the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs", that's what it meant.
From the Star Wars Wiki;
"The Kessel Run was an 18-parsec route"
Yup much more likely that a line from Lucas' terrible script being terrible
Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58879
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:18:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
Your experience of the game would be greatly improved
If you didnt watch terrible movies
While you played
Seriously
Watch better Brooks movies
They are Legion for They are Many
Here is what started it all.
It's just not clear enough, as it took me this long to figure out you were referring to OP's use of "Ludicrous Speed".....form "Spaceballs" which I found to be so awful (on top of being 10 years too late) I didn't watch it but the once, so the lines are not exactly embedded in my skull. "Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
808
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:21:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
Your experience of the game would be greatly improved
If you didnt watch terrible movies
While you played
Seriously
Watch better Brooks movies
They are Legion for They are Many
Here is what started it all. It's just not clear enough, as it took me this long to figure out you were referring to OP's use of "Ludicrous Speed".....form "Spaceballs" which I found to be so awful (on top of being 10 years too late) I didn't watch it but the once, so the lines are not exactly embedded in my skull.
And I was saying that in my opinion it was the worst movie he had anything to do with
And you said as an American it was lost on you
Am I following this right?
Is this thing on?
Hello?
The Sheriff is a n.......
Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |

Arduemont
12 pound opinion
2192
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:27:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:
Even gravity cannot influence things faster than the speed of light. It is a hard limit. You can't work your way around it by doing something like building a super long pole and pushing it so the other end moves at the same time - the compression wave will travel through it at the speed of sound int its material.
In short, you can't cheat by saying "its just the warp bubble lol" - because even it, and alterations in the physical structure of the universe (say, bending it in such a way you can hop, A Wrinkle In Time style) are only going to propagate at the speed of light at best.
"the ship inside the warp bubble doesn't move at all!" actually, yes it does, objectively. From any frame of reference outside it, it moves. It will still be bound by the speed of light. Heck, if it was in a bubble moving at the speed of light and it had headlights, the light from those headlights would appear to stand still from outside the ship - because even though inside the bubble it is travelling at the speed of light, outside, it would be limited by the speed of all massless particles and travel at c.
The universe does weird **** when you approach that constant.
NASA dissagrees;
NASA wrote:AlcubierreGÇÖs "Warp Drive"
HereGÇÖs the premise behind the Alcubierre "warp drive": Although Special Relativity forbids objects to move faster than light within spacetime, it is unknown how fast spacetime itself can move. To use an analogy, imagine you are on one of those moving sidewalks that can be found in some airports. The Alcubierre warp drive is like one of those moving sidewalks. Although there may be a limit to how fast one can walk across the floor (analogous to the light speed limit), what about if you are on a moving section of floor that moves faster than you can walk (analogous to a moving section of spacetime)? In the case of the Alcubierre warp drive, this moving section of spacetime is created by expanding spacetime behind the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk emerges from underneath the floor), and by contracting spacetime in front of the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk goes back into the floor). The idea of expanding spacetime is not new. Using the "Inflationary Universe" perspective, for example, it is thought that spacetime expanded faster than the speed of light during the early moments of the Big Bang. So if spacetime can expand faster than the speed of light during the Big Bang, why not for our warp drive? These theories are too new to have either been discounted or proven viable.
Any other sticky issues?
Yes... First, to create this effect, youGÇÖll need a ring of negative energy wrapped around the ship, and lots of it too. It is still debated in physics whether negative energy can exist. Classical physics tends toward a "no," while quantum physics leans to a "maybe, yes." Second, youGÇÖll need a way to control this effect to turn it on and off at will. This will be especially tricky since this warp effect is a separate effect from the ship. Third, all this assumes that this whole "warp" would indeed move faster than the speed of light. This is a big unknown. And fourth, if all the previous issues werenGÇÖt tough enough, these concepts evoke the same time-travel paradoxes as the wormhole concepts. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Atlantis Fuanan
Uncharted Skies Cerberus Unleashed
40
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:27:00 -
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See it like this, if you have been moaning about travel time, just think of how big the universe will "feel" if you have to travel longer after Rubicon ^^ Things that would make EVE better: NRDS - Remove Local - Balance Cloak - Sov-Mechanic Changes - Less QQ |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
58887
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:32:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:
And I was saying that in my opinion it was the worst movie he had anything to do with
And you said as an American it was lost on you
Yes. And it was, as I said, your own obscurity in so obliquely not directly linking that statement to the previous use of "Ludicrous Speed". That is obscure, sorry. And 2 posts above your statement to boot. Your sudden use of simply "Brooks", without context, implied the possible existence of someone else utterly named Brooks.
It's almost a Troll actually. 
"Who thinks it's normal to kneel down to a naked man who's nailed to a cross? It's like a bad leather bar." -- John Waters |

Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
1029
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:36:00 -
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Put battleship in courier contract > assign to red frog.
Go and do something else you find amusing.
Autopilot to your battleship location in a ceptor. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
808
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:38:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
And I was saying that in my opinion it was the worst movie he had anything to do with
And you said as an American it was lost on you
Yes. And it was, as I said, your own obscurity in so obliquely not directly linking that statement to the previous use of "Ludicrous Speed". That is obscure, sorry. And 2 posts above your statement to boot. Your sudden use of simply "Brooks", without context, implied the possible existence of someone else utterly named Brooks. It's almost a Troll actually. 
Yes your post is
But I accept your apology Yours in blood,-á
Dr. R McCandless MD, PhD, MSc, IDKFA, IDST, AFK, BRB, NOCLIP |

Solstice Project's Alt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
195
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Posted - 2013.10.20 14:52:00 -
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I had one of these a few minutes ago. They taste great ! ^_^ |

Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
613
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not.
So is an AU.
That said, light speed is about 1/AU per 7-8 minutes. Most of your time in warp travel is spent accelerating and decelerating. "QQ threads are only allowed in the Out of Pod Experience forum." - ISD Cura Ursus |

destiny2
Perkone Caldari State
172
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:22:00 -
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to achieve more speed, these two most work as one, REFLEXES AND THOUGHT MUST BE ONE! |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
1816
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:24:00 -
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It would be more immersive if there were no stargates and you could just warp directly to any point in the galaxy. Oh god. |

Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
3
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Posted - 2013.10.20 16:30:00 -
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ohhhhhhh Burning through the sky yeah Two hundred degrees that's why they call me Mr. Fahrenheit I'm travelling at the speed of light I wanna make a supersonic man out of you
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4117
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:24:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:It would be more immersive if there were no stargates and you could just warp directly to any point in the galaxy. Clearly, with upcoming warp speeds of 20 AU/sec and more that'll reduce travel times to mere days, instead of weeks.
I definitely see the advantage of this. |

Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4117
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Posted - 2013.10.20 18:25:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Put battleship in courier contract > assign to red frog.
Go and do something else you find amusing.
Autopilot to your battleship location in a ceptor. Get blown up by Solstice Project as you travel through Hek. |

Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
69
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:05:00 -
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cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not. Dude if you travel 1 PC a sec, you go faster see ?
If you travel 1 pc per second you overshoot Alpha Centauri in a second, starting from the sun. --- CCP FoxFour:-á"... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB." |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6187
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Posted - 2013.10.20 22:33:00 -
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If you travel 1 pc per second you can get from Tenal to Paragon Soul (northernmost to southernmost points in the map, roughly) in about 32 seconds. EVE Online - A Rigged Game |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
6425
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:05:00 -
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Do not try and warp the battleship. That's impossible. Instead, only realize the truth... THERE IS NO BATTLESHIP. Then you will see that it not the ship that warps, it is yourself.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Preto Black
Solar Clipper Trading Company
0
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Posted - 2013.10.20 23:07:00 -
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I hope everyone realizes that there is little if any relationship between the way a spaceship would really behave and the way it is depicted in Eve! In fact Eve is probably the least reliable source for any physical effect in space.
Spaceships in Eve behave like submarines, as they slow down when the engines are turned off. In reality a spaceship is closer to a puck on ice - you do not slow down by turning off the main engines. To slow down in space, you need retro-rockets, or use of a planet or sun's gravity or be able to turn around and fire the engines or to hit something!.
Also, firing any weapon, mining, explosions or screaming would all silent, sound needs a medium to move through and there isn't one in space. There may be some internal spaceship vibration type noise, from actions your spaceships does - but certainly no whooshing.
To hammer my point - Contrails (if able to be seen at all) would not be straight and cylindrical, rocket exhaust, if it didn't become cool and invisible in microseconds would be affected by gravity from even small or distant sources, clumping with other exhaust particles and rapid expansion if a gas. So depending upon the type of reaction mass used, it would be a rough cone shape from the rocket exhaust that would be too cold to see once it was a few seconds old.
Of course warping and jumping are theoretical effects and not much can be said about how unrealistic that is in Eve. |

Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
417
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Posted - 2013.12.26 18:47:00 -
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CCP thanks for listening and thanks for the Leopard gift. AWESOME! ;) |

Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.26 18:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not. Dude if you travel 1 PC a sec, you go faster see ? It matters not. Warp AU speed used to be twice as fast as currently, but was nerfed by half around 2005 or 6 and with good reason. So this thread is both pointless and useless, and the matter was settled more than 7 years ago. 7.
1 parsec Gëê 206264.81 astronomical units
John 17 : 23 |

Na Kahm
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2013.12.26 18:55:00 -
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Preto Black wrote:I hope everyone realizes that there is little if any relationship between the way a spaceship would really behave and the way it is depicted in Eve! In fact Eve is probably the least reliable source for any physical effect in space.
Spaceships in Eve behave like submarines, as they slow down when the engines are turned off. In reality a spaceship is closer to a puck on ice - you do not slow down by turning off the main engines. To slow down in space, you need retro-rockets, or use of a planet or sun's gravity or be able to turn around and fire the engines or to hit something!.
Also, firing any weapon, mining, explosions or screaming would all silent, sound needs a medium to move through and there isn't one in space. There may be some internal spaceship vibration type noise, from actions your spaceships does - but certainly no whooshing.
To hammer my point - Contrails (if able to be seen at all) would not be straight and cylindrical, rocket exhaust, if it didn't become cool and invisible in microseconds would be affected by gravity from even small or distant sources, clumping with other exhaust particles and rapid expansion if a gas. So depending upon the type of reaction mass used, it would be a rough cone shape from the rocket exhaust that would be too cold to see once it was a few seconds old.
Of course warping and jumping are theoretical effects and not much can be said about how unrealistic that is in Eve.
SHHHHhhhhh, we don't want to spoil the game for anyone
but what you said is very true, physics at work
John 17 : 23 |

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
141
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:44:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"
Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.
How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
What I don't understand is why battleships are almost as slow as a titan, my rattlesnake goes 112 m/s, while a ragnarok which is much larger goes 80 m/s. The physics in eve are brain dead ********.
http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
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Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
417
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:47:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:You should go get Gandalf, maybe he can teleport you.
I do have strategic jump clones in place with duplicate ships. |

Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
3205
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Posted - 2013.12.26 19:55:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not.
Google disagrees https://www.google.com/search?q=parsec&oq=parsec&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.946j0j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8 The Drake is a Lie |
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