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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:22:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:cyndrogen wrote: How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
A Parsec is a UNIT OF DISTANCE, NOT SPEED or TIME.  I thought this got famously cleared up in 1977. I guess not.
AU is also a unit of distance... it's that /sec that makes it a rate... kinda like parsecs/sec would be a rate.
changing the units that you use to measure speed of ships in eve will not make them faster... it will give you different values for speed.
wtf?? http://www.devilswarrior.info/killboard/?a=home |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9310
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Chance Harper wrote:In the dark ages alot of things were thought to be impossible till they got proven wrong. The Bible said nothing is impossible with God and the Bible was pretty much the governing authority of everything at that time so... nope. Sadly some morons think this is the case now, conveniently forgetting that its been mistranslated, misprinted and edited by man... But BEFORE it was translated, printed, edited it was IMPECCABLE!
Damn Romans forcing their state religion on me. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Tiberius StarGazer
Trifectas Executor Trifectas Syndicate
400
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:39:00 -
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Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Chance Harper wrote:In the dark ages alot of things were thought to be impossible till they got proven wrong. The Bible said nothing is impossible with God and the Bible was pretty much the governing authority of everything at that time so... nope. Sadly some morons think this is the case now, conveniently forgetting that its been mistranslated, misprinted and edited by man...
Unless your referring of course to the Dead Sea Scrolls, the whole collection was written between 100BC to 70CE and found only in the 1940s to 1950s, about as original as your gonna get to religious texts without the hundreds of years of copying, translating, misprinting, and so on. |

Brendan Anneto
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
12
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:42:00 -
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Is there any sensible questions at all in general discussion...???? Proverbs 1:26-27 |

Tanthos
Lumen et Umbra Heimatar Alliance Treaty Organization
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Posted - 2013.12.27 11:59:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Chance Harper wrote:In the dark ages alot of things were thought to be impossible till they got proven wrong. The Bible said nothing is impossible with God and the Bible was pretty much the governing authority of everything at that time so... nope. Sadly some morons think this is the case now, conveniently forgetting that its been mistranslated, misprinted and edited by man... But BEFORE it was translated, printed, edited it was IMPECCABLE! Damn Romans forcing their state religion on me.
Its the fault of the Judean People's Front. Traitors! |

Freakdevil
Aliastra Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2013.12.27 12:19:00 -
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Brendan Anneto wrote:Is there any sensible questions at all in general discussion...????
Define sensible. This is GD.
OP: LOL @ Space Balls reference. Flying RV on the gate FOFOFOFOFO
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1880
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Posted - 2013.12.27 13:13:00 -
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Brendan Anneto wrote:Is there any sensible questions at all in general discussion...????
Like what? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Non omnis moriar |

Helios Aquiness
Perkone Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2013.12.27 13:55:00 -
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It takes light 8 minuts to travel 1 AU and seeing as how most ships average 3 AU per sec, Id say we more or less are going faster than light. (Although technically since its "warping" we arnt moving at all, space is moveing around us.) Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er. |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1886
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Posted - 2013.12.27 14:34:00 -
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Helios Aquiness wrote: we arent moving at all, space is moving around us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dyx4v1QFzhQ *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Tabra Penken
Nexus Incorporated
31
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Posted - 2013.12.27 16:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Themanfromdalmontee wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Chance Harper wrote:In the dark ages alot of things were thought to be impossible till they got proven wrong. The Bible said nothing is impossible with God and the Bible was pretty much the governing authority of everything at that time so... nope. Sadly some morons think this is the case now, conveniently forgetting that its been mistranslated, misprinted and edited by man... But BEFORE it was translated, printed, edited it was IMPECCABLE!
Prior to the 1300's there was no such thing as a "bible" so there was never a time that the "bible" wasn't translated, printed, and edited.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1896
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Posted - 2013.12.27 17:07:00 -
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Tabra Penken wrote: Prior to the 1300's there was no such thing as a "bible" so there was never a time that the "bible" wasn't translated, printed, and edited.
Yup no Latin translation of Hebrew texts was in use by the Byzantine Empire, confirmed *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Magna Mortem
The Scope Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2013.12.27 17:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Tabra Penken wrote: Prior to the 1300's there was no such thing as a "bible" so there was never a time that the "bible" wasn't translated, printed, and edited.
Yup no Latin translation of Hebrew texts was in use by the Byzantine Empire, confirmed Wow! The odds of getting to write down my favorite bible quote a second time on the very same day! ...
AUSTIN 3:16 SAYS I WHIPPED YOUR ASS!!!!!!!! |

Paul Panala
Circulus Exousias
122
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Posted - 2013.12.27 18:17:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"
Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.
How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum.
For the sake of argument, 2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s
So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds.
All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes.
That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships. |

Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:43:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships. This ^^^ only one can say who don't fly a BattleShip - or fly it very rare. Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again. Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.
That decrease of the WS of BS is the biggest BS CCP had made in the last three years. That smaller ships enter warp very fast and BS/Freighters/aso. enter it very slow is quite enough nerf. But the additional nerf to reduce the warp speed of bigger ships by 30% or more (BS were reduced from 3 AU/s to 2AU/s in Rubicon) is a pain in the ass for ppl which fly preferred BS in level 4 missions.
Forum topics about this already exist here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=283132 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=303983 |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
1914
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:45:00 -
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Centis Adjani wrote: Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again. Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.
LRN2TACTICS
Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do? *** Vote MTU For CSM *** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." --áPontianak Sythaeryn Omnis nomiom nom nom nomi |

Logical 101
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:48:00 -
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Cyndrogen wrote:While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion. I would have thought that watching Spaceballs and clicking on gates would be the very definition of immersion.
You're simultaneously watching a space parody and playing one. You're practically balls deep.
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Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2013.12.27 19:55:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Centis Adjani wrote: Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again. Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.
LRN2TACTICS Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do? Available fleet warp commands are no reason to increase boredom for Players by reducing the warp speed without any reason. And this slow boating with bigger ships now in Rubicon is pure boredom. For me, computer games should make fun and should not bore me to death. We lived for years now with the pre Rubicon warp speeds and no one was angry about that. |

Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
729
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:07:00 -
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Centis Adjani wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Centis Adjani wrote: Take a BS and do Level 4 Epic Arcs (where you need to travel many jumps to other mission goals). Then we talk again. Fly a BS in a fleet together with others using smaller ships - and then try to participate in the fight (the fight is over until you arrive). Then we talk again.
LRN2TACTICS Gawd, is "Warp Squad to 0" the only Fleet Command you know how to do? Available fleet warp commands are no reason to increase boredom for Players by reducing the warp speed without any reason. And this slow boating with bigger ships now in Rubicon is pure boredom. For me, computer games should make fun and should not bore me to death. We lived for years now with the pre Rubicon warp speeds and no one was angry about that. Maybe if you stopped expecting your battleship to be a do-it-all wonder, you would start trying out other ships.
Interceptors and frigates are SUPER fun now.
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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
562
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:12:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"
Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.
How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum. For the sake of argument, 2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds. All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes. That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships. Uh you might want to check your numbers For reference an AU is the distance from Earth to Sol and takes light 8 minutes to transit. Doing that twice a second means you are at 960x light speed. IE OMFGMS fast. And we can still go faster. Hell I think we could timetravel if we turned off the temporal correction device we have |

Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
21
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:19:00 -
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So some math:
1 AU is ~149 billion meters
The speed of light is 299 M meters per second
So it takes light ~8.3 minutes (499 seconds) to go 1 AU
The new Leopard goes 20 AU / second so the Leopard is going almost 10,000 times the speed of light as it is.
A parsec is basically a distance of ~3.3 light years. So if a ship were to go 1 parsec / second, that would 206k AU / sec or 102 thousands times the speed of light.
While Eve completely ***** on the theory of relativity, an object moving at light speed approaches an infinite mass and so would the energy required to move it. Warp speed isn't really a speed, it's a bending of space/time so that the current point and the destination point exist at the same point (or in this case connected by a warp tunnel). So really speed is irrelevant but more so how much space can be bent thus how long the tunnel between the two points is. |

Owen Levanth
Federated Deep Space Explorations
61
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:If you travel 1 pc per second you can get from Tenal to Paragon Soul (northernmost to southernmost points in the map, roughly) in about 32 seconds.
I say CCP should go for it. Think about it: go AFK for a minute while warping, and you catapult yourself out of the New Eden cluster into no-mans land. Then you have to carefully plot your way back or you'r stuck. (Or you could commit suicide, I guess.)  |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7360
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:49:00 -
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Paul Panala wrote:Cyndrogen wrote:"Yeah we are going to have to go right to LUDICROUS speed!"
Current we use AU as a means of warping between gates, it takes such a long time to travel using AU, can we introduce Parsecs PC/sec for battleships??? It took me over an hour to travel 30 jumps. While it's fun to just watch spaceballs while clicking each gate during long travel times it really kills immersion.
How would people feel about having AU and Parsecs as a travel speed? I would pay ISK to travel faster. I would pay Aurum. For the sake of argument, 2 au/s is 299 195 741 km / s Speed of light: 299 792 458 m / s So 2 AU/s and slower isn't even superluminal speeds. All things considering, flying around a solar system after than light doesn't make a hole lot of sense in real life. It would waste a crazy amount of energy just a save a few minutes. That being said, I support the change that makes battleships take longer to warp than smaller ships. You wrote km/s and then m/s. Which means your first number is about a thousand times faster. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
698
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:20AU per second is 2000 times the speed of light. Why do you keep saying this? Did you do the math wrong or is this just a number you pulled out of your ass? Because you're off by about a factor of 5. 20 AU/s is closer to 10,000 c. You're right. I'm not sure how I got 2000 the first time. Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance) And bring back the missile Inquisitor!! |

Centis Adjani
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2013.12.27 20:58:00 -
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Nyancat Audeles wrote:Maybe if you stopped expecting your battleship to be a do-it-all wonder, you would start trying out other ships.
Interceptors and frigates are SUPER fun now. I use a lot of different ships. And yes, frigates are a lot fun now. Industrials too. This was a step in the right direction. But the new warp speed of BS, freighters and the Orca is a mess. CCP should overlook this. Best would be they tried these ships self for a week or more to see how bad this change is (I feel with the freighter pilots).
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1366
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Posted - 2013.12.27 21:22:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:You should go get Gandalf, maybe he can teleport you.
Dont get Gandalf, he will make you walk the whole goddamn way while he catches a piggyback ride on a bird. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |

Sparkey 'Sparks' Tyrell
Cloakers
0
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Posted - 2013.12.27 22:10:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Obligatory "I don't understand relativity, but Einstein may be wrong!" post. You don't need to understand relativity to understand that a 'theory' is not a law. Even a law is not necessarily correct. Currently there is a bit of a disagreement between relativity and quantum physics, they can't both be wrong, or could they, maybe both are right or there's something else we haven't discovered that makes them both work but just not in our 3 dimensional space...
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