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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.01 21:44:00 -
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well yeh the devs did say they would look into it soon after rmr [not sure if they specificly said jan/feb]
but as we all know, the lag recently is just dumb. im sure they are working on the new hardware and probably software for it which is in mid feb afaik
after that i hope that all the BS class weapons get looked at and a balance amde since rmr changed a lot of things and some ships before that where out of balance.
after that some tier 3 BS love would be nice.
but no matter what happens. please please please get the new toys/patch/what ever in before the summer break.
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Gierling
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Posted - 2006.02.01 22:22:00 -
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Please, don't give any of these damage bonuses.
They already pack way more turrets then the existing ships and the fitting to make the others look like a joke.
PLEASE lets not make the other battleships redundant (As the gallente ship WOULD make the Domi and the MEga redundant and uselss). My only hope is that they give it an MWD bonus and a falloff bonus. IT still has the extra turret to boost its damage, but this way its a fast closer that can it at a decent range.
Same goes for the minmater ship, 8 1400 II's with a damage bonus just completely outpaces a tempest in every possible rgard.
Caldari one doesnt need a damage bonus cus it will hit with high damage ammo at ranges the other ships will be using Iron in.
Amarr typically don't have a damage bonus, so a 7 tach ship with a damage bonus makes the geddon and the apoc redundant.
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Atar
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Posted - 2006.02.01 22:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Commander Nikolas
In all honesty I would like their tier 3 BS to be a smaller BS then the tempest but fast, lower sig radius, something that drones and autos would work nice on. Right now the Min don't really have a truly "fast" BS. I guess maybe I just want a giant stabber :).
Amen 
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Markus SilverMoon
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Posted - 2006.02.02 09:32:00 -
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Is there a link to a page that would have this info, or is it all heresay? I myself would love a 8 turret hp Minmitar BS, but well thats bc i prefer them to missile (btetter skills).. A sleeker/nicer look for the Minmatar bs would be nice 2, i mean we are a bit better off than we were soo i little more thought to teh desighn wouldnt hurt. And i do agree multiple bpo's should be released so we dont have the price gougers out there.
My 2 cents so far..... so far :)
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Mr Bright
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Posted - 2006.02.02 09:47:00 -
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I honestly dont hope that Gallente will get yet another boat CURSED with dampner bonus. With the current state of affaits the module is broken, and even if it was fixed the bonus is so narrow.... PLease for the love of god do not give Gallente an EW boat, it would make the ship next to useless.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.02.02 09:51:00 -
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So lets get this straight: Railguns are our Blasters, Missiles are our Drones. ECM are our sensor dampners.
Ok so should the minmatar receive a missile boat too? I mean we are the jack of all trades..
I agree that the caldari need some kind of railgun BS, but frack they have some off the most powerfull BS in game now should they get a railgun BS that is like a gedon,tempest or even a mega?
The caldari will then have the best of all warfare modules..I mean just think about it 1 super damage (raven),one that EWars like a damm **** ,and one that rivals in power with the other turret BS.
When i entered the game in 2004 i wached the forums and all i can remember was this quote from someone "The tempest is a s**+ in the hands off a newbie ,but in the hands of an experienced pilot is the most powerfull turret BS "
And i still beliveve in that statement 
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.02 09:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Bright
I honestly dont hope that Gallente will get yet another boat CURSED with dampner bonus. With the current state of affaits the module is broken, and even if it was fixed the bonus is so narrow.... PLease for the love of god do not give Gallente an EW boat, it would make the ship next to useless.
The Caldari are the kings of EW, so it wouldn't make sense to give the Gallente a tier 3 EW BS when the Caldari EW BS is only a tier 1.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the Dominix end up with a sensor dampener bonus, however.
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Rex Martell
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Posted - 2006.02.02 10:08:00 -
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If the new three tiers of battles ships is kept in line with the three tiers of Frigates and Cruisers for each race and the flavour of those ships.
Then Gal Amarr And Mini will have the Mega, Apoc and Tempest pushed in to the Tier III slot, Dominix Geddon and Phoon pushed in to the tier II slot and their new ship will fit the role of EW fleet support currently filled by the Scorpion for the Caldari.
The Caldari will Get a New RailGun Platform effectively a BattleShip sized Moa.
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Darlan Flame
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:00:00 -
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Please dont make the Amarr/Gallente/Minmatar tier 3 some retarded Ewar boat nobody will ever use just because of the whiners that complain about every ship that ever comes out capable of doing any dps whatsoever.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Rex Martell
If the new three tiers of battles ships is kept in line with the three tiers of Frigates and Cruisers for each race and the flavour of those ships.
Then Gal Amarr And Mini will have the Mega, Apoc and Tempest pushed in to the Tier III slot, Dominix Geddon and Phoon pushed in to the tier II slot and their new ship will fit the role of EW fleet support currently filled by the Scorpion for the Caldari.
If they do that, it will be exploit city.
People will buy Tempests before the patch, and then sell them after their mineral cost has increased, thus making a profit.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:21:00 -
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no EW BS pls
the only place a EW battleship makes sense is ECM
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Kye Kenshin
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Posted - 2006.02.02 11:45:00 -
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i know every keeps saying it but i want to say it one more time.
NO GAL EW BS!!
For the love of god please dont
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Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I will cry if the gallente Tier 3 is made into a ****ty ew platform!
If tha caldari get an ultra rail platfrom i demand the Gal get an ultra blasterboat which we so deperately need!
P.S Make the gal tier 3 look sexy not like the moros thank-you
There would be nothing ****ty about an anti sniper dampening ship that could damp out to 200 km.. IF the stacking ever gets fixed, that is.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:17:00 -
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The bellicose EW bonus is already a bit of state really. An EW Minmatar BS with the same Target Painter bonus would make me cry.
Originality would rock.
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Gabriel Karade
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:26:00 -
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I would hate to see any of them made into dedicated EW platforms. Leave that to the support cruisers and the scorpions 'niche'.
As to them making Tier 2/1 outdated, well from a RP perspective they are bound to be an improvement over previous designs, but perhaps have a central theme running through the designs, maybe emphasis shifting to defence over offence?.
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DarK
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Posted - 2006.02.02 12:53:00 -
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Caldari Railboat, that's a given. Opt range and shield resistance
Minmatar having a missile boat would be interesting. 8 missile hardpoints, and with a damage/rof bonus to CRUISE missiles only. Add with that a shieldboosting bonus like the Cyclone has.
Gallente: Armour rep bonus(cap use or ammount) and an mwd cap penalty bonus(althouth that would pigeonhole it a bit)
Amarr: Armour resistance bonus and a laser cap bonus(just for something different right?)
Eventually you run out of useful bonusses.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.02.02 14:04:00 -
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No please dont make the T3 BS a missile boat please nooo 
I swear you guys(caldari) can have your sniper BS :)
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.02 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: DarK
Caldari Railboat, that's a given. Opt range and shield resistance
Minmatar having a missile boat would be interesting. 8 missile hardpoints, and with a damage/rof bonus to CRUISE missiles only. Add with that a shieldboosting bonus like the Cyclone has.
Gallente: Armour rep bonus(cap use or ammount) and an mwd cap penalty bonus(althouth that would pigeonhole it a bit)
Amarr: Armour resistance bonus and a laser cap bonus(just for something different right?)
Eventually you run out of useful bonusses.
unlikely that it is a range bonous AND a +5 % to shields.
wouldnt mind that though.
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The Major
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Posted - 2006.02.02 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: DarK
Caldari Railboat, that's a given. Opt range and shield resistance
Minmatar having a missile boat would be interesting. 8 missile hardpoints, and with a damage/rof bonus to CRUISE missiles only. Add with that a shieldboosting bonus like the Cyclone has.
Gallente: Armour rep bonus(cap use or ammount) and an mwd cap penalty bonus(althouth that would pigeonhole it a bit)
Amarr: Armour resistance bonus and a laser cap bonus(just for something different right?)
Eventually you run out of useful bonusses.
unlikely that it is a range bonous AND a +5 % to shields.
wouldnt mind that though.
Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox -> ??
Just going with the pattern is all.
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Swaffer
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Posted - 2006.02.02 15:42:00 -
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the answer i think, is to make tier 3 BS much better than the other available BS, but raise the Minerals used to build it, like up to half the amount of minerals again, so total cost to make anything between 150million - 200 million isk. But then again could you really call faction BS tier 3 BS. Would be nice to see the Navy BS BPOs available to buy.
One thing that disturbs me is the cost of a T2 BS when they arrive, you know they're going to be stupid prices.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.02 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Major
Merlin -> Moa -> Ferox -> ??
Just going with the pattern is all.
id love it to be +10% range and a +5% shield resistance.
but i dont think it will happen. why im not gona post since id like it to be those stats.
Originally by: Swaffer
the answer i think, is to make tier 3 BS much better than the other available BS, but raise the Minerals used to build it, like up to half the amount of minerals again, so total cost to make anything between 150million - 200 million isk. But then again could you really call faction BS tier 3 BS. Would be nice to see the Navy BS BPOs available to buy.
One thing that disturbs me is the cost of a T2 BS when they arrive, you know they're going to be stupid prices.
yeh imo 150-200 mils isnt bad. that way a tier 1 BS is seens as almost disposable and it would give tier 3 the reason for being more powerfull in most repects to the rest.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2006.02.02 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
The bellicose EW bonus is already a bit of state really. An EW Minmatar BS with the same Target Painter bonus would make me cry.
Originality would rock.
Well, you've always said that the Typhoon was crying out for a role, and I reckon it will one day end up with a painter bonus.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin
i know every keeps saying it but i want to say it one more time.
NO GAL EW BS!!
For the love of god please dont
EW Gallente would not only fit the RP but it would make the most sense. What more do you want... a missile boat?
Geez!
Caldari should get a Rail Ship superior to the Mega. It should have 5% bonii to optimum AND falloff.
Gallente should get a EW ship superior to the Scorpion. It should have a 6 highslot setup with 8 mids and 5 lows. It should move about the same as a raven and have atleast 3 missile turrets. Its should have the same cap as a tempest or somewhere there about. It's bonii should make ECM more lovely than a scorp. It should also have 225 m/3 drone bay.
Amarr Should get a Ship superior tank than the Apoc. Possibly a 5% resistance to armor and 10% cap use on laser turrets. It should get 3 missile turrets.
Matari should get a 7/5 turret to missile 8 point high with a 10% dmod to turrets and 7.5% bonus to lock distance. It should also 6 mids and 6 lows and have be roughly the same bloat-ware as an apoc and story-line where it sacrificed standard matari speed and agility to dig into a long range specialization with Howlitzers.
Originally by: "Oveur"
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
The bellicose EW bonus is already a bit of state really. An EW Minmatar BS with the same Target Painter bonus would make me cry.
Originality would rock.
Well, you've always said that the Typhoon was crying out for a role, and I reckon it will one day end up with a painter bonus.
Don't EVER say a painter bonus again.... EVER. I'd go to iceland and protest nekkid at CCP HQ.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Well, you've always said that the Typhoon was crying out for a role, and I reckon it will one day end up with a painter bonus.
My god! That would be terrible. The belli was awful enough.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:22:00 -
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Caldari should get a Rail Ship superior to the Mega. It should have 5% bonii to optimum AND falloff.
You are joking rigth?
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Jet Collins on 02/02/2006 17:24:04
Don't get me wrong I would love more BS to chose from... However, I belive CCP has said our faction ships are our tier 3 BS's. And as for some of the suggestins that people had for a minmatar BS's 8 launchers... Hell no, we are projectile users mostly :P 4 should be the max my oppiniun. And as for what anouther person said about haivng a fast BS we do its call the heaveyly over looked Phoon. Yes the Mach is faster so if you really want a fast BS than get that.
If you ask me I would love a Minmatar BS that had the Phoon's drone bay and at least 6 turret hard points 7 or 8 would be preferable. Give me a ship that can do real DPS.
*Jet Collins waiting for the Republic Fleet Typhoon to hit the market now. Oh but much better bonuses ;)
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Orrin Danestarr
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:23:00 -
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Edited by: Orrin Danestarr on 02/02/2006 17:26:53
Originally by: Atar
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
In all honesty I would like their tier 3 BS to be a smaller BS then the tempest but fast, lower sig radius, something that drones and autos would work nice on. Right now the Min don't really have a truly "fast" BS. I guess maybe I just want a giant stabber :).
Amen
My thoughts exactly, tho id like to see it have a bouis to a specific weapon... AC's, making it a fast, low sig, close in knife fighter...
Call the Hull Class:
Sirocco
Speed Bonus would be the Primary Bonus.... AC damage Bonus would be secondary., give it a 6/3 split and have fun!
Edit:
Typhoon is getting looked at i know, but it would be interesting if it got some type of drone bonus similar to the dominix. Perhaps not damage, but maybe tracking speed and hp.
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.02.02 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jet Collins
Edited by: Jet Collins on 02/02/2006 17:24:04
Don't get me wrong I would love more BS to chose from... However, I belive CCP has said our faction ships are our tier 3 BS's. And as for some of the suggestins that people had for a minmatar BS's 8 launchers... Hell no, we are projectile users mostly :P 4 should be the max my oppiniun. And as for what anouther person said about haivng a fast BS we do its call the heaveyly over looked Phoon. Yes the Mach is faster so if you really want a fast BS than get that.
If you ask me I would love a Minmatar BS that had the Phoon's drone bay and at least 6 turret hard points 7 or 8 would be preferable. Give me a ship that can do real DPS.
*Jet Collins waiting for the Republic Fleet Typhoon to hit the market now. Oh but much better bonuses ;)
CCP already sayed that we will have the Tier3 BS for each race in kali i think ,as for the mach well not every body can have a 600M BS :)..
But one thing is certain they will be fun :)
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.02.02 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
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Caldari should get a Rail Ship superior to the Mega. It should have 5% bonii to optimum AND falloff.
You are joking rigth?
No. You ever read the EVE back story? Tier 3 BSes can set the whole RP story back into ballance with the game.
Originally by: "Oveur"
I don't react to threats any better than you do
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