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budy	Posted - 2006.02.01 08:48:00 - [1] Dramatic developments yesterday. Trawling through the two long posts I noted: 1) Huzzah's (Han's Roaming's) disappointment that SA added extra unnecessary conditions on the FIX surrender/ceasefire proposal thereby prolonging the war 2) Huzzah's rejection and disbelief of the SA attack on BoB and their decision to go to a defensive position and not support SA vs BoB Anyway this provokes a few questions in my mind: 1) Will BoB be going after Huzzah as well as SA - or will they leave them alone if they stay out of it? 2) Will FIX be after revenge vs Huzzah while SA is busy vs BoB? Or will they accept Huzzah's new position and let bygones be bygones for the sake of southern 'stability'? Thanks
Lord Sidon	Posted - 2006.02.01 08:50:00 - [2] i'm not fix or bob, but to quote CCP SOON (tm) ----------------------------------------------- . . NBSI = Not Blue Shoot It Blue = everyone we were shooting last time you logged on Not Blue = everyone else
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2006.02.01 09:23:00 - [3] With BoB backing them up, i doubt FIX are going to want any middle ground with huzzah.
Randay	Posted - 2006.02.01 09:32:00 - [4] Once huzzah starts shooting SA, Im sure FIX will be willing to let bygones be bygones. ------------------------------------------- "Det hSr kan betyda krig!"
Selena Sellion	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Randay Once huzzah starts shooting SA, Im sure FIX will be willing to let bygones be bygones. That would be very morally impressive from Huzzah's point of view.
Cealia	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:06:00 - [6] Hmm
Deathwing	Posted - 2006.02.01 10:07:00 - [7] Its simple really I dont speak for all of BoB but I do have my points of view As far as I have seen Huzzah have not been impressed by SA's actions regarding the NAP/Surrender and then the following pre-emptive attack on BoB They have stated they will not actively engage BoB members and will hold and maintain a defencive posture unless forced otherwise Id let Huzzah sit there and watch SA fall No point in dragging someone into a war who doesnt want to be in it and feels they shouldnt be in it Good call Huzzah SA could learn a thing or two from you I for one wont go around looking for you unless informed otherwise <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Gibmundur	Posted - 2006.02.01 11:03:00 - [8] sa did not launch an attack on bob, bob set us neutral <3
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2006.02.01 11:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Gibmundur sa did not launch an attack on bob, bob set us neutral <3 --- ^_^ my sig is better then urs, damn right! ^_^
Excellent Miner	Posted - 2006.02.01 11:17:00 - [10] So the SA fleet which fought in pr-8ca (in delve) was there simply to get coffee ? 2004.11.23 03:09:56combatYour Medium Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes NSA's Smelter of Doom, wrecking for 179.6 damage
Edhel	Posted - 2006.02.01 11:19:00 - [11] setting us to neutral being provocative since we all do the NBSI dance
dalman	Posted - 2006.02.01 11:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Excellent Miner So the SA fleet which fought in pr-8ca (in delve) was there simply to get coffee ? No no no! They were looking for donuts too! Thread going off-topic it seems. It was about Huzzah, nothing else :/ Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
Breki	Posted - 2006.02.01 13:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Excellent Miner So the SA fleet which fought in pr-8ca (in delve) was there simply to get coffee ? WHAT ?!?! they told me we were gonna get tech2 exotic dancers
Greme	Posted - 2006.02.01 13:26:00 - [14] Tech II exotic dancers - +5% to felatio per level.
Kinsy	Posted - 2006.02.01 13:36:00 - [15] Oh my, unique position I am in... I hope Huzzah do the right thing. Im sure they'll end up doing it anyway once people begin visiting each other.
Elendar	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:00:00 - [16] Originally by: Shai Faetal Originally by: Gibmundur sa did not launch an attack on bob, bob set us neutral <3 theres an entire region between you and them, and you don't share any access routes. I think you need to understand that neutrality is not a war dec hmm, i think PA is probably neutral to you, and possibly 5, go war dec em!
Galavet	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:08:00 - [17] Originally by: budy 1) Will BoB be going after Huzzah as well as SA - or will they leave them alone if they stay out of it? 2) Will FIX be after revenge vs Huzzah while SA is busy vs BoB? Or will they accept Huzzah's new position and let bygones be bygones for the sake of southern 'stability'? Thanks 1) Thats between BoB and Huzzah. 2) FIX are free to do as they please, but I could understand if they didnt want to go tip-toe through the tulips with Huzzah after everything that has happend. Current RKK Ranking: (MIN100) CEO
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:28:00 - [18] Just to let you know Huzzah have now got a NAP in place with BoB and also FIX, the latter is where both parties are honouring the original ceasefire agreement. So as it presently stands apart from FIX coming to get their stuff from the stations in V2-VC2 and 5-n we will keep out of each others space. We are NOT fireing on SA and have not abandoned them, however as stated elsewhere we do not support the decision some elements made in SA to demand new terms to humiliate FIX who although defeated in Catch did not deserve such demands. The decision to war declare BoB who we had already started to negotiate with for mutual good relations anyway was is also not supported by us. Personally as far as I was concerned the war with FIX was over, the allies had won Catch and it was done and dusted. This new conflict escalated very fast and ultimatly you have to believe in what you're fighting for especially when not consulted before hand. As we didn't believe in what this conflict was fighting for then that is why we didn't get involved except right at the start when before we caught up with the situation we responded to the call that the war had been resumed. The decision made with regard to our neutrality was a tough call to make as the bonds are strong between Huzzah and SA, ultimatly though you have to do what you feel is right and so that is why we choose the stance we did. As this goes on I will be helping Trigger recover the situation as much as I can without breaking our neutrality in this conflict i.e. communication with SA's current enemies. Budy I hope this answers you question from Huzzah's point of view. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Orc A	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:34:00 - [19] Pardon me, but the Surrender terms offered to FiX were pretty "standart". The kind of terms every surrendering entity accepts. Fix chose to preserve thier Ego's and refused to actually "Surrender". Fix will Die. P.S - BoB chose this War, not SA. P.S - Fix Chose the other war, not SA. P.S - Huzzah - LoL.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:35:00 - [20] Did FIX admit defeat? If so, was there a post made about this? If not, then why does Huzzah want a cease fire? note: im trying to cut through all this political garbage, so a straigh answer without dancing around the topic would be much apreciated.
Calisto Cody	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:38:00 - [21] nice hans, claps Berneh is not appropriate for the forums -
Deathwing	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Orc A Pardon me, but the Surrender terms offered to FiX were pretty "standart". The kind of terms every surrendering entity accepts. Fix chose to preserve thier Ego's and refused to actually "Surrender". Fix will Die. P.S - BoB chose this War, not SA. P.S - Fix Chose the other war, not SA. P.S - Huzzah - LoL. "HAR HAR HAR HAR YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF M3 IN CRAP IN OUR STATIONS GET IT OUT IN 72 HOURS....P.S. U CANT USE FREIGHTERS!" Yappity Yappity Yap Yap boy george Youve dug yourself a hole worthy only of a outhouse You walked around waving your man pride everywhere trying to mark your territory and you **ed on the wrong tree unfortunately. Your own allies wont even follow you into this war because they know your just being foolish now. We started the war? We set you to neut...you come 2 reagons over for a coffee break and a lesson in PvP 10 minutes after you have officially declared war. I dub thee...... Ragnor The Second All hail the court jester <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS**
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:51:00 - [23] Hans, just as a point of interest - what is your response to Huzzah pilots coming to Delve with the rest of the SA gang? They were involved in the attack initially, I'm just curious as to what happened there.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 14:55:00 - [24] Originally by: Raid Did FIX admit defeat? If so, was there a post made about this? If not, then why does Huzzah want a cease fire? note: im trying to cut through all this political garbage, so a straigh answer without dancing around the topic would be much apreciated. Just to clarify the terms were for the ceasefire that was originally brokered by Trigger etc and posted by FIX here. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Avon	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:01:00 - [25] Edited by: Avon on 01/02/2006 15:02:26 As the great Roman poet Quintus Horatius Flaccus so eloquantly put it: "Nam tua res agitur, paries****proximus ardet." It is your business when your neighbour's house is on fire.* Oh ffs, the stupid word filter even messes with Latin. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
dalman	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Righteous Fury Hans, just as a point of interest - what is your response to Huzzah pilots coming to Delve with the rest of the SA gang? They were involved in the attack initially, I'm just curious as to what happened there. If you read the bio of said pilot(s) - they(all of them?) had already applied to join ie-ex and were waiting for the 24hour "leave corp timer". Not much he can do to stop them from doing what they did, is there? :/ Drink up, shoot in. Let the beating begin. Distributor of pain. Your loss becomes my gain...
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Raid Did FIX admit defeat? If so, was there a post made about this? If not, then why does Huzzah want a cease fire? note: im trying to cut through all this political garbage, so a straigh answer without dancing around the topic would be much apreciated. Just to clarify the terms were for the ceasefire that was originally brokered by Trigger etc and posted by FIX here. Carefully worded quotes ftw: "FIX acknowledges that the battle for FAT* has been lost and that SA has won the day."* Does that sound like someone who admits they lost the war? Sounds more like someone who admits they lost control of a system... they dont admit they lost a war... So again, why would you want a cease fire? Seems to me you were having fun, and with Querious just a few jumps away you hadn't even scratched the surface of the kind of fights and fun you could have.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:08:00 - [28] Originally by: Righteous Fury Hans, just as a point of interest - what is your response to Huzzah pilots coming to Delve with the rest of the SA gang? They were involved in the attack initially, I'm just curious as to what happened there. Our pilots were asked to keep things low whilst it was all going on and at that time we were still negative (as we had been until then) with BoB as we had been the whole time up until then, in fact shots between Huzzah and BoB had been going on for a few days although very low intensity. Four pilots answerd the call for a gang with SA as we had been doing for the past number of weeks and joined on the raid. Shortly after on the forums the post was made about the war dec (which was the first I heard of it) and immediatly Huzzah withdrew support from this conflict. Things got out of control very fast yesterday and unfortunatly one can't be ingame 23/7 to keep on top of things so although four Huzzah pilots joined that gang it wasn't because we as an entity wanted to make the strike if you know what I mean. If it was we would have got everyone we possibly could have involved. This indeed came up in discussion with BoB last night and we agreed that the few ships killed on either side doesn't amount to much when you negotiate terms etc. Hope that answers you question. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:11:00 - [29] Originally by: dalman If you read the bio of said pilot(s) - they(all of them?) had already applied to join ie-ex and were waiting for the 24hour "leave corp timer". Not much he can do to stop them from doing what they did, is there? :/ Yeah Corto left today to join the fighting, he is leaving Eve soon and so wants to shoot as many things as he can before he goes, everyone in Huzzah wish him well, not sure about the others though. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Righteous Fury	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:12:00 - [30] Originally by: dalman If you read the bio of said pilot(s) - they(all of them?) had already applied to join ie-ex and were waiting for the 24hour "leave corp timer". Not much he can do to stop them from doing what they did, is there? :/ I hadn't bothered looking at the bio, was just commenting on what I've seen on the killboards. Unfortunately I've been swamped with work so I haven't been in game much the past few days. Thanks for clearing that up Hans.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Raid Carefully worded quotes ftw: "FIX acknowledges that the battle for FAT* has been lost and that SA has won the day."* Does that sound like someone who admits they lost the war? Sounds more like someone who admits they lost control of a system... they dont admit they lost a war... So again, why would you want a cease fire? Seems to me you were having fun, and with Querious just a few jumps away you hadn't even scratched the surface of the kind of fights and fun you could have. Ok well that was the third system in a row that had control taken by the allies, the fight would have moved onto Querilous however it is my understanding that BoB did not want to see the war escalate into that region proper and so the ceasfire and terms were brought about. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: dalman If you read the bio of said pilot(s) - they(all of them?) had already applied to join ie-ex and were waiting for the 24hour "leave corp timer". Not much he can do to stop them from doing what they did, is there? :/ I hadn't bothered looking at the bio, was just commenting on what I've seen on the killboards. Unfortunately I've been swamped with work so I haven't been in game much the past few days. Thanks for clearing that up Hans. As I said last night at least you can see we undock President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Hans Roaming Ok well that was the third system in a row that had control taken by the allies, the fight would have moved onto Querilous however it is my understanding that BoB did not want to see the war escalate into that region proper and so the ceasfire and terms were brought about. Right... so, the war was just getting good, when a third party came in and said "hey, stop this" so you guys did.... Why is that? Do you believe in South Vs North and Southern Stability? Is that what Huzzah's goal is?
HC MasiEEE	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:29:00 - [34] Originally by: Orc A Pardon me, but the Surrender terms offered to FiX were pretty "standart". The kind of terms every surrendering entity accepts. Fix chose to preserve thier Ego's and refused to actually "Surrender". Fix will Die. P.S - BoB chose this War, not SA. P.S - Fix Chose the other war, not SA. P.S - Huzzah - LoL. you made me wet myself again ____________ HC MasiEEE
mattzz	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:36:00 - [35] I'm not in a position of authority in Huzzah, but I believe it was never Huzzah's intentions to go to Querilous - and that is why Huzzah were backing the original ceasefire. My apologies if I am wrong and someone please correct me if that's the case. Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:44:00 - [36] Originally by: mattzz I'm not in a position of authority in Huzzah, but I believe it was never Huzzah's intentions to go to Querilous - and that is why Huzzah were backing the original ceasefire. My apologies if I am wrong and someone please correct me if that's the case. Originally by: Hans Roaming the fight would have moved onto Querilous You were having fun fighting fix weren't you? No reason to stop unless you really do believe South Vs North is a long term goal for your alliance....
mattzz	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:47:00 - [37] Ok, I'll let someone who Actually Knows answer it then. Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
budy	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:50:00 - [38] Well from reading this thread and the answers given on it that Huzzah have done the right thing and both FIX and BoB seem to have recognised it by agreeing to NAP Huzzah. I have to say that Hans has impressed me with his answers here and in negotiating an honourable postion & NAPS for Huzzah. But I scratch my head in puzzlement at Orc A's diplomacy skills. Maybe I am being harsh - maybe his original goal was to isolate SA in a war against EVE's premiere PvP alliance (+ others) - in which case he is a genius. However I get the feeling that this was not really what SA were after Oh well I hope that everyone has fun shooting each other for a while before SA and BoB come to a new arrangement. I am sure BoB will make SA life miserable for a while but at the same time I have no doubt SA will stilll be here in 3 months time. It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader...
Avon	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:53:00 - [39] Originally by: budy Maybe I am being harsh - maybe his original goal was to isolate SA in a war against EVE's premiere PvP alliance (+ others) - in which case he is a genius. If I was going to be nice, I would say that his goal was to unite the south by giving them a common target (ie, SA). Fortunately I am not nice, and so I'd have to guess that this is just a screw-up of astronomical proportions. TRIGGER had everything in hand ... what happened? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Raid Right... so, the war was just getting good, when a third party came in and said "hey, stop this" so you guys did.... Why is that? Do you believe in South Vs North and Southern Stability? Is that what Huzzah's goal is? Well I can't speak for Triggers reasons but I know that Huzzah alone would be unable to persue a successful offensive campaign against FIX + BoB in Querilous so that is why Huzzah said yup, no problem. We had a number of objectives that were met in this campaign, the capture of two stations and the removal of FIX as a belligerent entity, either by fighting them to defeat with SA in Querilous or as it turned out by a negotiated peace. Of course the last objective was to have a lot of fun which was met with stunning success. :lol: In answer to you question there are various power blocks within Eve and we allied oursevles with one of them, currently there seems to be discord within that block however that will be resolved soon I feel. As for a North vs South well there is conflict a lot closer to home as large alliances try to hold onto their domains and smaller alliances constantly try to claim land from them. Throw in the constant presence of NBSI corps who fufill the role of pirate entites and there is a lot of PVP opertunity around. Ultimatly our goal is to grow as a nation in capability and presence and to have fun, this doesn't necessarily have to tie one down to any particular area in Eve. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Shadar Ishaan	Posted - 2006.02.01 15:59:00 - [41] Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 01/02/2006 15:59:55 Originally by: budy It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader... I don't know much about Trigger tbh or the whole situation, but going by the map: Pre-Trigger demands: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/03.09.107.jpg Now (roughly): http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Doesn't look like Stain has seen too many good times with Trigger at the wheel.
Koronos	Posted - 2006.02.01 16:18:00 - [42] Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Shai Faetal Originally by: Gibmundur sa did not launch an attack on bob, bob set us neutral <3 theres an entire region between you and them, and you don't share any access routes. I think you need to understand that neutrality is not a war dec hmm, i think PA is probably neutral to you, and possibly 5, go war dec em! 1) dunno why I am posting in this thread since it doesn't have aught to do with me. 2) dunno why you exuro mortis guys are posting all over these threads since it has much less to do with you. 3) as long as I can remember PA has always been - (at least since the first time I heard of them) and .5. has always been +, so, um, no. Koronos
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2006.02.01 16:20:00 - [43] To the victor go our capitals. ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 16:25:00 - [44] Edited by: Raid on 01/02/2006 16:26:51 Originally by: Hans Roaming Huzzah alone would be unable to persue a successful offensive campaign against FIX + BoB in Querilous so that is why Huzzah said yup, no problem. You would not have been alone. SA would have been right there with you. Originally by: Hans Roaming As for a North vs South well there is conflict a lot closer to home as large alliances try to hold onto their domains and smaller alliances constantly try to claim land from them. I applaud you for saying South Vs North is not your alliance goal. If only other entities in the south could admit that to themselves as well. Originally by: Hans Roaming Ultimatly our goal is to grow as a nation in capability and presence and to have fun, this doesn't necessarily have to tie one down to any particular area in Eve. Maybe you understand where SA is coming from then. If the elimination of FIX was your goal and someone came around and said "hey, our goal is more important than your goal...fall in line or else" what would you do? At some point, you would stand up and say "no im going to do what i want to do in this game". I dont fault SA for standing up for themselves. I dont fault BOB for looking after their goals. Where i do find fault is with the people who dont have their own goals and instead of making something for themselves they ride on the back of others because their scared to stand up for themselves. Goodluck to SA/Huzzah/FIX/BOB... to everyone else riding on the backs of this South Vs North fiasco the bandwagon is full... do something for yourself.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.01 16:52:00 - [45] Raid to answer you question, Huzzah went with SA's lead oon the ceasfire, as SA and FIX had ended hostilites we did too for the reasons outlined above. If people attack our allies then we help them out, so if the North came to fight those we are close to we would join in. Personally I am not sure that such a war would result in more than raids and skirmishes until one side is ready to take control of the land of the other which would have to mean that one side would have to be considerably greater than the other either in numbers or capability so they could hold their own lands and take the others at the same time. Recently IRON experienced a loss of an outpost due to their forces being the other side of Eve, the outpost was recaptured but then their offensive in the south had been curtailed. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Bedrock	Posted - 2006.02.01 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Orc A Pardon me, but the Surrender terms offered to FiX were pretty "standart". yea, i'm sure its standard to request full rights to all areas of Querious when the war was about Catch Originally by: Orc A The kind of terms every surrendering entity accepts. If you think FIX is going bend over for you and take it from behind, then you are playing the wrong game, no alliance accepts terms this ridiculous. Originally by: Orc A Fix chose to preserve thier Ego's and refused to actually "Surrender". Perhaps, but when you threaten FIX's home, their ego's is the last thing you should be worried about. Originally by: Orc A Fix will Die. I am afraid you are SADLY mistaken, FIX will not DIE. Originally by: Orc A P.S - BoB chose this War, not SA. Just like how FIX started this war right? FYI setting an alliance to neutral doesn't mean -10 or a war dec is not in order. You obviously didnt get the memo. Originally by: Orc A P.S - Fix Chose the other war, not SA. I dont know what you mean here. Originally by: Orc A P.S - Huzzah - LoL. Although Huzzah will be an enemy in my eyes for their initial action, I at least respect their decision in this issue. It makes you wonder how stupid your diplomatic skills are when your war ally simply doesn't support your suicidal decisions. I've said my piece.
Harry Voyager	Posted - 2006.02.01 17:05:00 - [47] Originally by: Deathwing Originally by: Orc A Pardon me, but the Surrender terms offered to FiX were pretty "standart". The kind of terms every surrendering entity accepts. Fix chose to preserve thier Ego's and refused to actually "Surrender". Fix will Die. P.S - BoB chose this War, not SA. P.S - Fix Chose the other war, not SA. P.S - Huzzah - LoL. "HAR HAR HAR HAR YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF M3 IN CRAP IN OUR STATIONS GET IT OUT IN 72 HOURS....P.S. U CANT USE FREIGHTERS!" Yappity Yappity Yap Yap boy george Youve dug yourself a hole worthy only of a outhouse You walked around waving your man pride everywhere trying to mark your territory and you ****ed on the wrong tree unfortunately. Your own allies wont even follow you into this war because they know your just being foolish now. We started the war? We set you to neut...you come 2 reagons over for a coffee break and a lesson in PvP 10 minutes after you have officially declared war. I dub thee...... Ragnor The Second All hail the court jester Erm, didn't BoB offer exactly those terms (well, ok, it was 48 hours) to the industurial corp they evicted a couple months back? ____________________ I'm not an idiot; I just play one on the forums.
Trakh Shardan	Posted - 2006.02.01 17:17:00 - [48] this is MY point of view on all of this most of the alliance close to SA ( Huzzah ,Tribe ,ASCN ) are all very very very scared of BoB and thats what this is about nothing els its just a fact that U wil never say that in public SA got U the catch region huzzah what do U do after 2 days??? back of cos Ur to scared tell me if Im totaly wrong but it dos realy look like this and I think i aint the onlyone HF peeps
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:00:00 - [49] Edited by: Raid on 01/02/2006 18:00:17 Originally by: Trakh Shardan this is MY point of view on all of this most of the alliance close to SA ( Huzzah ,Tribe ,ASCN ) are all very very very scared of BoB and thats what this is about nothing else tell me if Im totaly wrong but it dos realy look like this and I think i aint the onlyone You are not wrong at all. At the root of all this, thats what going on. BOB makes a post called "stabalizing the south" those close to the situation can either choose to help "stabalize" it or not... The fear is, if they dont pick a side we will be next... It has nothing to do with stability or unity, just an exercise in control, fear and manipulation. TS, ASCN and to a lesser extent Huzzah have fallen for it. Weakness ftl.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:02:00 - [50] Originally by: Harry Voyager "HAR HAR HAR HAR YOU HAVE MILLIONS OF M3 IN CRAP IN OUR STATIONS GET IT OUT IN 72 HOURS....P.S. U CANT USE FREIGHTERS!" . . Erm, didn't BoB offer exactly those terms (well, ok, it was 48 hours) to the industurial corp they evicted a couple months back? No. And, fwiw, that was an entirely different situation. Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 01/02/2006 18:00:17 Originally by: Trakh Shardan this is MY point of view on all of this most of the alliance close to SA ( Huzzah ,Tribe ,ASCN ) are all very very very scared of BoB and thats what this is about nothing else tell me if Im totaly wrong but it dos realy look like this and I think i aint the onlyone You are not wrong at all. At the root of all this, thats what going on. BOB makes a post called "stabalizing the south" those close to the situation can either choose to help "stabalize" it or not... The fear is, if they dont pick a side we will be next... It has nothing to do with stability or unity, just an exercise in control, fear and manipulation. TS, ASCN and to a lesser extent Huzzah have fallen for it. Weakness ftl. You're not very pragmatic, are you? Maybe those forces that have now aligned themselves against SA have been itching to do so for a while, but chose not to in favour of an agreement made last year? Maybe those forces have now had enough of SA moving the goal posts? Maybe they are appalled by the apparent demotion of TRIGGER and no longer have any reason not to shoot SA? Maybe they all actually do like having FIX as a neighbour? Or, sure, maybe they're all scared of BoB? Maybe SA were hoping we wouldn't be bothered and let them get away with it? Or maybe they thought they had friends they don't have? Who knows and, frankly my dear, who cares? Originally by: Thomas Jefferson A society that will trade a little liberty for a little security will lose both and deserve neither.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:22:00 - [52] Just out of curiosity did BoB have any intentions of helping FIX in FAT. We fought with Jcos for close to a month on action being taken and only after FoFF got tired of babysitting FAT for FIX did BoB jump in and blow the whistle. Quite quickly might I add. I find it sad that it came to us having to leave to force help to be brought to FAT. So i guess it is true that FIX/BoB never really cared about FAT and only Querious. If that is the case then the ships that we lost along with those who did care and live there was in vain. Quite sad. I mean correct me if i am wrong. I did have nothing to do with politics, so i dont know what was behind the glass door, but Riven wouldnt have pulled us out had there actually been something in the works. That aside WTF was SA thinking. You had FAT. You knew BOB wouldnt stand to let you have Q and you go ** them off. Now you have BOB and everyother friendly corporation on you. Stop bringing all these postive standing people in to the catch pipe ...... They keep stealing my kills.** BTW my comments in no way reflect FoFF's standing or neutrality in this war .. . Bla bla... but are my personal opinions.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:33:00 - [53] Originally by: Dianabolic You're not very pragmatic, are you? You sure im the one whos not pragmatic? Originally by: Dianabolic Maybe those forces that have now aligned themselves against SA have been itching to do so for a while, but chose not to in favour of an agreement made last year? By agreement im assuming your refering to the North vs South thing. In the last year, how much has the southern map changed? You think that agreement is still valid? You think the same goals that applied a year ago still apply today? Maybe for an alliance without direction or purpose, but for anyone with their own objectives South vs North was a dead idea A LONG time ago. Originally by: Dianabolic Maybe those forces have now had enough of SA moving the goal posts? Maybe they are appalled by the apparent demotion of TRIGGER and no longer have any reason not to shoot SA? BOB and many others in the south have not onyl moved the goal posts over the years but moved the whole frekin field! You have no right to say someone else has been moving the goal posts. I dont know the background behind the change in leadership so i wont comment on that. Originally by: Dianabolic Maybe they all actually do like having FIX as a neighbour? Then why did no one speak up a long time ago when the war first started? Why is it the only one who spoke up was BOB when (and only when) it might have disrupted their tranquility in delve? Originally by: Dianabolic Or, sure, maybe they're all scared of BoB? oh they are scared... and you enjoy it thats for sure! Originally by: Dianabolic Maybe SA were hoping we wouldn't be bothered and let them get away with it? Or maybe they thought they had friends they don't have? Friends are the ones you can count on when your down on the mat and you need someone to help you out... not for their own benefit but for yours. Time will tell who SA's friends are... clearly it isn't ASCN and TS... but then again, they dont have any real friends either.. Originally by: Dianabolic Who knows and, frankly my dear, who cares? Everyone involved, or you would not have replied.
GigaIndy	Posted - 2006.02.01 18:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Raid Edited by: Raid on 01/02/2006 18:00:17 Originally by: Trakh Shardan this is MY point of view on all of this most of the alliance close to SA ( Huzzah ,Tribe ,ASCN ) are all very very very scared of BoB and thats what this is about nothing else tell me if Im totaly wrong but it dos realy look like this and I think i aint the onlyone You are not wrong at all. At the root of all this, thats what going on. BOB makes a post called "stabalizing the south" those close to the situation can either choose to help "stabalize" it or not... The fear is, if they dont pick a side we will be next... It has nothing to do with stability or unity, just an exercise in control, fear and manipulation. TS, ASCN and to a lesser extent Huzzah have fallen for it. Weakness ftl. Im very disapointed in them. The south sickens me.
Winthorpe	Posted - 2006.02.01 19:01:00 - [55] Edited by: Winthorpe on 01/02/2006 19:02:11 One thing i find interesting is that Raid of Tyrell Corp of the Curse Coalition keeps adding his useless comments to all of these SA vs BoB threads. What is even more amuzing is that you fools keep answering his questions like he is someone that matters in this conflict. He's obviously trying to "stir the pot" and it makes an innocent alt like myself wonder if he might be trying to get the south all fighting each other so that the factions of CURSE might take advantage somehow and actually look like something of an alliance worth a p00p again. What's even more amuzing is that Tyrell is most notably a manufacturing corp isn't it? They make the things that go boom....maybe theyre looking for a good profit out of all this..... Keep it up Raid....you're stringing them along very well. edited for typos
Macsine	Posted - 2006.02.01 19:07:00 - [56] Funny I was just thinking the same thing. Oh maybe Tyrell Corp will wardec FIX after all and show the big boys how it's done
Rift Scorn	Posted - 2006.02.01 19:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Zhon ...Just out of curiosity did BoB have any intentions of helping FIX in FAT... So i guess it is true that FIX/BoB never really cared about FAT and only Querious. If that is the case then the ships that we lost along with those who did care and live there was in vain. Quite sad. ...I mean correct me if i am wrong... I'm only a frontline worker myself, but i find it clear, that you are wrong. SA and FIX were going flat out at each other, and we had both sides set to blue. BOB run a policy of non-interference in 2 sides that are duking it out that are set to blue. Why should we care about a station that these two sides are fighting about - to me it looks like both sides are having a laugh, so please take the tin foil hat off about FIX/BoB conspiring about this or that region. I'm with BoB and i don't even know these things. I also have no idea of super-sekrit politics, and tbh i don't want to, it's not my bag, i just want to watch things blow up. But the second you dec us and drive a fleet into BoB Central, then the chances are we'll prolly fall on teh side of hte other person. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 19:20:00 - [58] Originally by: Winthorpe One thing i find interesting is that Raid of Tyrell Corp of the Curse Coalition keeps adding his useless comments to all of these SA vs BoB threads. What is even more amuzing is that you fools keep answering his questions like he is someone that matters in this conflict. He's obviously trying to "stir the pot" and it makes an innocent alt like myself wonder if he might be trying to get the south all fighting each other so that the factions of CURSE might take advantage somehow and actually look like something of an alliance worth a p00p again. What's even more amuzing is that Tyrell is most notably a manufacturing corp isn't it? They make the things that go boom....maybe theyre looking for a good profit out of all this..... Keep it up Raid....you're stringing them along very well. edited for typos Alts ftw! You can think of my comments as useless that doesnt bother me at all. I present my opinion on the situation. Obviosuly it isnt the popular opinion but its my opinion none the less. Had i not said anything then no one may have considered this perspective of things and it would never have been discussed. Do i want people in the south to be able to shoot each other? Hell yeah i want people to be able to do wahtever the hell they want. The south would be a very boring place without people like the Reds, Triad, Burn Edan etc! I understand you dont like what i have to say, but to bash me or my corp without knowing us is uncalled for. All i have to gain from this is some entertainment during work hours.
xenorx	Posted - 2006.02.01 19:21:00 - [59] Im wondering why Huzzah got involved in the SA/FIX conflict in the first place. If it was to gain access to those two stations in Catch it really doesnt make sense to me. Those were the FAST stations. All Huzzah had to do was ask for access to those stations and Im 99% sure FIX would have agreed. To my knowledge there had not been any other hostilities between FIX and Huzzah that come to mind. Now Huzzah will forever have FIX as a bitter enemy. There may be a NAP currently in place but I know that FIX will never forget or forgive the attack. Just look at what has gone on since SA broke the origial NAP it had with FIX so long ago. They have been beating the snot out of each other ever since.
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.02.01 20:18:00 - [60] Originally by: Raid Then why did no one speak up a long time ago when the war first started? Why is it the only one who spoke up was BOB when (and only when) it might have disrupted their tranquility in delve? Sometimes it's best to let your friends/kids/relatives/coworkers or whatever they may be blow off a little steam and straighten things out on their own. When their argument is not setteled and spills over affecting other members of above mentioned groups, it's time for someone to step in and say enough... shake hands and walk it off. This was done. Diplomatically. With someone who is reasonable and with the authority to make such an agreement. A day later, an effort (or misjudgement if you will) was made injecting rediculous demands into (c'mon who can clean out multiple POS without a freighter ffs) the equation nullifying said agreement. Displeasure was voiced over this, diplomatically, where we were told ummm sorry, we didn't like what we agreed to, pound sand. War was declared, SA flew into BoB space. (and got spanked hard I might add.) That's the bottom line m8, regardless of what those voices in that tinfoil hat are saying to you. Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 20:52:00 - [61] Originally by: ProphetGuru Sometimes it's best to let your friends/kids/relatives/coworkers or whatever they may be blow off a little steam and straighten things out on their own. It was more than just blowing off steam. This is the 4th or 5th time these factions have gone to war with each other. It will never be straightened out unless it's seen through till the end. Originally by: ProphetGuru When their argument is not setteled and spills over affecting other members of above mentioned groups, it's time for someone to step in and say enough... shake hands and walk it off. Honestly, tell me if this had gone the other way and Stain was going to get invaded and the alliance was falling apart (lets say MASS is leaving instead of FoFF in Fix's case) would BOB have steped in? Originally by: ProphetGuru This was done. Diplomatically. With someone who is reasonable and with the authority to make such an agreement. A day later, an effort (or misjudgement if you will) was made injecting rediculous demands into (c'mon who can clean out multiple POS without a freighter ffs) the equation nullifying said agreement. Displeasure was voiced over this, diplomatically, where we were told ummm sorry, we didn't like what we agreed to, pound sand. War was declared, SA flew into BoB space. (and got spanked hard I might add.) I dont know all the details about the nap negotiations but from here it looks like huzzah and stain wanted to keep fighting. Put yourself in their place.. If you were fighting ASCN and stain stepped in and said "stop thats enough lets work it out" would you stop or would you want to keep having fun and doing your own thing? Whats the difference between that kind of situation and SA vs FIX? Originally by: ProphetGuru That's the bottom line m8, regardless of what those voices in that tinfoil hat are saying to you. The only voice i here is my boss telling me to do some work. comonnnnn 5pm!
ProphetGuru	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:11:00 - [62] Originally by: Raid Honestly, tell me if this had gone the other way and Stain was going to get invaded and the alliance was falling apart Um. Without being rude, the past should answer this question for you. It's not like we haven't gone down there and fought their enemies before.... We've bailed them out of stuff for years, and I don't mean that as an insult. That's what friends do for eachother. They've helped us out in the past for sure. As for if the shoe was on the other foot, I imagine (and no I am not a BoB policy maker) things would have been the same, with the exception that their doesn't appear to be an OrcA in Fix that would have reneged on a negotiated truce. Really it's pure speculation, but it should be obvious to all Bobs intent was to settle this issue, not fracture off a longtime friend. Quote: I dont know all the details about the nap negotiations but from here it looks like huzzah and stain wanted to keep fighting. The only voice i here is my boss telling me to do some work. comonnnnn 5pm! I just told you the details, cliffnotes version ofc. Hear ya on that boss thing tho . Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
Fabienne Runestar	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:26:00 - [63] (I in noway am any official diplomat for Huzzah, nor do I want to start an galactic sized flame war) I come from ArsC, a corp formed of those who read the ArsTechnica web site. We are an antipirate, antimacrominer, Neutral Friendly, all around Corp. We joined Huzzah after learning about what they stood for. Pretty much everything we did and still do. Huzzah has always been a Nuetral Friendly, anti pirate Alliance. Ask any who have had dealings with us. We don't smack, we are humble in victory and defeat. How this has been turned into a North vs South thing is beyond me. Huzzah will always been neutral Don't Shoot First, or NDSF. Granted being locked is considered an act of aggression in any space, south of 0.4, and will be delt with on a case by case situation. Likewise, spies, and you know whom you are, noob scouts and the like are not taken to kindly. I have great respect for my CEO Achillies, and Hans Roaming the President of the Huzzah Alliance. It's my understanding, from talks with some FIXians, as well as with those within Huzzah, the battle for V2 through FAT has been the most entertaining battles of memory of many of the pilots. I'm sure given the current NAPs with BoB and FIX, Huzzah is not going to play underhanded in this new phase of the war and will be sitting it out. I hope all that are involved in this new war have as much fun as we had with the catch battle. After all this is a game. :) Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Winthorpe	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:26:00 - [64] Edited by: Winthorpe on 01/02/2006 21:29:06 Edited by: Winthorpe on 01/02/2006 21:28:28 Originally by: RaidThe only voice i here is my boss telling me to do some work. comonnnnn 5pm![/quote U should prolly listen to your boss. It's pretty funny that the only threads you post in every 5 minutes are the ones that concern BoB. It's blatantly obvious that you dislike them. Maybe you're concerned Tyrell or CC might be their next target? Trigger used to be the voice of the SA. I don't think anyone doubts this. I for one, have NEVER heard of Orc A before all of this started happening. So it begs the question of "How did Orc A suddenly become the voice of SA?". You have to admit, it does seem strange that someone that has been in EVE and SA from the start and who has almost always been able to speak fo the SA as a whole, suddenly is cast from leadership and told that he doesn't represent the SA anymore. Are you kidding?? TRIGGER is SA as much as SirMolle is Evolution. Now Raid's conspiracy theories and critisisms aside, this is turning into a bit of a mystery isn't it? I wonder if TRIGGER will sit by and watch, or actively particpate in all of this. PS: Raid i'm not trying to anger you in anyway and i apologize for singling you out, i just don't understand why you enjoy bashing BoB so much. In all of these threads you consistantly post more than any of the actual parties involved. Is it jealousy? Maybe you just like to appear like someone in-the-know? Whatever creams your twinkie.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:29:00 - [65] Quote: We started the war? We set you to neut... Doesn't BoB fire on neutrals in 0.0? Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:30:00 - [66] Originally by: ProphetGuru Um. Without being rude, the past should answer this question for you. It's not like we haven't gone down there and fought their enemies before.... We've bailed them out of stuff for years, and I don't mean that as an insult. That's what friends do for eachother. They've helped us out in the past for sure. That didnt sound rude at all... I was in Stain at the time.. i remember m0volution invading CA when c4 was down in estoria and paragon soul. This situation is a bit different. We're talking about two friends fighting each other. I can understand you getting involved when FIX is on the ropes, after all delve is right next door... But Stain is a good long ways away and somehow i get the feeling you guys wouldnt have stepped in so quickly. That would involve telling yout nextdoor neighbour you would shoot em if they didnt resolve this. Much different the telling your neighbour farther down the street. Originally by: ProphetGuru As for if the shoe was on the other foot, I imagine (and no I am not a BoB policy maker) things would have been the same, with the exception that their doesn't appear to be an OrcA in Fix that would have reneged on a negotiated truce. Really it's pure speculation, but it should be obvious to all Bobs intent was to settle this issue, not fracture off a longtime friend. No alliance likes to be told what to do. No pround leader will tell his alliance mates that someone else has asked that the stop having fun and doing what they want to do. If BOB really wanted to continue a war with ASCN, i honestly dont think as a proud organization you would have stoped even with someone you considered a friend telling you they will shoot at you. Not if you are making progress, having fun and growing as an alliance.
Xelios	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:33:00 - [67] Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 01/02/2006 15:59:55 Originally by: budy It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader... I don't know much about Trigger tbh or the whole situation, but going by the map: Pre-Trigger demands: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/03.09.107.jpg Now (roughly): http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Doesn't look like Stain has seen too many good times with Trigger at the wheel. Trigger has ALWAYS been at the wheel of SA, in one form or another. But sure, lets ignore all the other factors and blame loss of controlled space on TRIGGER, because you know that's logical If you don't know much about the situation don't say anything at all. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Pathfinda75	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:35:00 - [68] Originally by: Xelios Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 01/02/2006 15:59:55 Originally by: budy It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader... I don't know much about Trigger tbh or the whole situation, but going by the map: Pre-Trigger demands: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/03.09.107.jpg Now (roughly): http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Doesn't look like Stain has seen too many good times with Trigger at the wheel. Trigger has ALWAYS been at the wheel of SA, in one form or another. But sure, lets ignore all the other factors and blame loss of controlled space on TRIGGER, because you know that's logical If you don't know much about the situation don't say anything at all. .....MASS coming back to form SA had nothing to do with the loss of territory? Like you said..if you dont know much about the situation dont say anything at all.
Shai Faetal	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:36:00 - [69] Edited by: Shai Faetal on 01/02/2006 21:37:33 Originally by: Xelios Quote: We started the war? We set you to neut... Doesn't BoB fire on neutrals in 0.0? Last i checked BoB had no interest in querious/catch/stain/providence i think they have enough neutrals/reds to shoot in fountain and up. but if you feel u have to roll a fleet into their homesystem when they put you to neutral for god know what logic reasons and fire on them, they justmight come visit you in your regions. --- ^_^ my sig is better then urs, damn right! ^_^
corporal hicks	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:38:00 - [70] Originally by: xenorx Im wondering why Huzzah got involved in the SA/FIX conflict in the first place. If it was to gain access to those two stations in Catch it really doesnt make sense to me. Those were the FAST stations. All Huzzah had to do was ask for access to those stations and Im 99% sure FIX would have agreed. To my knowledge there had not been any other hostilities between FIX and Huzzah that come to mind. Now Huzzah will forever have FIX as a bitter enemy. There may be a NAP currently in place but I know that FIX will never forget or forgive the attack. Just look at what has gone on since SA broke the origial NAP it had with FIX so long ago. They have been beating the snot out of each other ever since. Yes God Damn it Huzzah have my two stations!!! grrrr " Stay Frosty "
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:38:00 - [71] This is a statement of my take on the situation primarily addressed to the curious, the mentally retarded and forum tinfoil/magic hat brigade can whistle if they don't like/believe what I'm going to say. We would not have allowed Stain Alliance to lose their home region if the roles between SA and FIX had been reversed. As far as we were concerned both SA and FIX could rattle their sabres, gank each other and fight over their borders just fine but we were never going to let either group be removed by the other. TRIGGER knows full well where Molle and I stood on this one and I hope knows full well that we regret having him and his corp on shooting terms with us and hope for a return to normality sooner rather than later. I personally have swung from pro-FIX to pro-SA and back and forth many times over both this current war and their last war in trying to determine the most appropriate course of action for BoB. When you have two sets of friends both set to blue and both behaving like total ***s at times it is difficult picking the right course of action.. and let's not beat around the bush here, for different reasons at different times both parties really have behaved like total ***s. More than once over the last twelve months I've wanted to just shoot the pair of them and have done with it. This time around SA made some political decisions that are astounding in their complete and utter ineptness and have forced our hand. It's not as if we are not 100% consistent in our dealings with people who cross the line with us and it's not as if we haven't told the many incarnations of both SA and FIX over the last year that if we were pushed too far by one party or the other then someone was going to lose our goodwill. I realise that the tinfoil hat brigade want to see a lot more behind the scenes than is the case over this current disruption to normal service but I'm afraid you're all barking up the wrong tree. As for Huzzah, we don't really know them and didn't really care what they were up to before they got involved in this little ruckus but I know we are pleasantly surprised by their current behaviour and practicality. P.S. No doubt some of you will want to debate the ins and outs of what I've just posted and you're welcome to, thats my take on events though posted for information and I won't be debating it further. Eve Blacklight Style
Xelios	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:43:00 - [72] Originally by: Pathfinda75 Originally by: Xelios Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 01/02/2006 15:59:55 Originally by: budy It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader... I don't know much about Trigger tbh or the whole situation, but going by the map: Pre-Trigger demands: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/03.09.107.jpg Now (roughly): http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Doesn't look like Stain has seen too many good times with Trigger at the wheel. Trigger has ALWAYS been at the wheel of SA, in one form or another. But sure, lets ignore all the other factors and blame loss of controlled space on TRIGGER, because you know that's logical If you don't know much about the situation don't say anything at all. .....MASS coming back to form SA had nothing to do with the loss of territory? Like you said..if you dont know much about the situation dont say anything at all. lol, I was there every step of the way through the "situation". MASS's return was not only expected, it was agreed upon weeks ahead of time. Cujo's refusal to relinquish complete control over SE back to TRIGGER is what caused the region to splinter, not MASS's return. Well no, that's not even the only cause, just one of the major ones. Signature removed. -Zhuge ([email protected]) Woot.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Raid I dont know all the details about the nap negotiations but from here it looks like huzzah and stain wanted to keep fighting. Just a quick correction. Hans signed the original ceasefire and when it emerged that it was being threatened by some new unreasonable demands (which he hadn't been consulted about) he lodged a post on these forums (middle of that bigass long thread) beseeching our allies to pursue the original agreed terms and noted that Huzzah were and would continue to honour our own side of the deal and let Fix collect its POS, ships and goods from the old FAST stations. This was decided and publicly posted some hours before the unilateral war declaration by SA on BoB. Once this happened, from our perspective a new unnecessary war had been started by our friends that we hadn't signed up for. On another topic - what is the reporter in the Eve-online news item on about when he says Huzzah has closed its space to SA? I think he/she is in training as a fact gatherer for 'the Sun newspaper' (galactic edition). Josiah Bleak Some hours before the attack on BoB,
Fabienne Runestar	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:46:00 - [74] Originally by: corporal hicks Yes God Damn it Huzzah have my two stations!!! grrrr Talk to Hans Roaming about a NAP, and I'm sure we can work out docking rights, it would be nice to see ASUYA as a BLUE + in the pipe for a change. ;) (Okay I know it's a pipe dream (I like to pun. :)) but one can dream can't they?) Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Shr3k	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:58:00 - [75] Its easy being all nice and pleasant Huzzah, you have your 2 stations and a piece of 0.0 you can call your own for now, but people wont forget how you got it. The thing is can you hold on to it on your own? :)
Raid	Posted - 2006.02.01 21:58:00 - [76] Originally by: Winthorpe U should prolly listen to your boss. It's pretty funny that the only threads you post in every 5 minutes are the ones that concern BoB. It's blatantly obvious that you dislike them. Maybe you're concerned Tyrell or CC might be their next target? First of all my boss is an ass. Second this is the most interesting thread in here and i have been (for the most part)getting inteligent responses. If i was concerned about being a target i wouldnt be using an alt like you are. FYI We have a positive standing with BOB... i post my opinion, popular or not i will speak my mind. You should try it with your main someday. Originally by: Winthorpe PS: Raid i'm not trying to anger you in anyway and i apologize for singling you out, i just don't understand why you enjoy bashing BoB so much. In all of these threads you consistantly post more than any of the actual parties involved. Is it jealousy? Maybe you just like to appear like someone in-the-know? Whatever creams your twinkie. Im not angry at all, i just find it a bit ironic im being told not to post here from an alt. Im not basing bob im bashing a policy that doesnt let people do what they want to do. Read up... my main concerns are: 1. South Vs North being a goal of a few not a many 2. Stepping between two parties that are clearly having fun. 3. Band Waggon Jumpers who tell us this is about souther stability when all their really worried about is themselves....fear... Is my opinion one sided? Yeah of course it is, i dont like seeing blue vs blue i would much rather see red vs red. I dont blame SA at all, they are doing what they want to do. Going to BOB space and shooting em before giving talks another chance was of course bone headed but im not previlaged to what went on when they made that kind of decision.
Josiah Bleak	Posted - 2006.02.01 22:07:00 - [77] Hmmm - as previously requested, could I please ask Huzzah members not to post in this thread unless they are HF diplomats. Thanks. JB
Zhon	Posted - 2006.02.01 23:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Rift Scorn Originally by: Zhon ...Just out of curiosity did BoB have any intentions of helping FIX in FAT... So i guess it is true that FIX/BoB never really cared about FAT and only Querious. If that is the case then the ships that we lost along with those who did care and live there was in vain. Quite sad. ...I mean correct me if i am wrong... I'm only a frontline worker myself, but i find it clear, that you are wrong. SA and FIX were going flat out at each other, and we had both sides set to blue. BOB run a policy of non-interference in 2 sides that are duking it out that are set to blue. Why should we care about a station that these two sides are fighting about - to me it looks like both sides are having a laugh, so please take the tin foil hat off about FIX/BoB conspiring about this or that region. I'm with BoB and i don't even know these things. I also have no idea of super-sekrit politics, and tbh i don't want to, it's not my bag, i just want to watch things blow up. But the second you dec us and drive a fleet into BoB Central, then the chances are we'll prolly fall on teh side of hte other person. Ok dont take this personal and i am simply seeking answers. I have great respect for BoB. You statement doesnt make any since you just agreed with what I said and told me i was wrong. If you were set to blue standing with both then i was correct, You had no intentions of helping until the fight went into Querious. This is obvious through BoB's actions. I am not conspiring against FIX/BOB, but last i heard from BOB was they were not going to let FIX fall. Make no mistake Fat was slowly, but surly falling. SA controlling FAT was inevitable if help did not come. FAT was a part of FIX space not some odd ball place on the map. Which by your respect paid towards it is obvious you guys really didn't care . This was the mentality in FIX as well that led IMO to FoFF leaving FIX. Why should we waist our assets, time, and experience defending a place no one wants without help. Granted there were a select few that did help allowing gangs to rise to 50 but 50% of the the fighting and defensive force in FAT majority of the time was FoFF. For the most part I likeed FIX i jsut hate that it came to us leaving and FIX losing FAT for something to come up. P.s. I like to watch things blow up too. This post in no way Represents the Opinion of FoFF...Bla..bla.... and are only my own.
Shadar Ishaan	Posted - 2006.02.01 23:19:00 - [79] Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 01/02/2006 21:40:02 Originally by: Shadar Ishaan Edited by: Shadar Ishaan on 01/02/2006 15:59:55 Originally by: budy It is impossible to kill them and Trigger is a great leader... I don't know much about Trigger tbh or the whole situation, but going by the map: Pre-Trigger demands: http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/03.09.107.jpg Now (roughly): http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Doesn't look like Stain has seen too many good times with Trigger at the wheel. Trigger has ALWAYS been at the wheel of SA, in one form or another. But sure, lets ignore all the other factors and blame loss of controlled space on TRIGGER, because you know that's logical If you don't know much about the situation don't say anything at all. Please. I'll say whatever I damn well please. It's no stretch of the imagination to draw see a correlative and somewhat causitive link between MASS return to the politics and the poor fortunes of SA. This is what I have gathered from lurking, and feel free to correct any inaccuracies. 1. MASS wants to return to SE, Trigger wants to be "Emperor". Conflicts erupt. The 5 takes the side of MASS, and most SE corps exodus to the new Stain Allaince/Stain- Alliance banner. SE gives Catch to FIX, angering SA in the process. SE begins guerilla tactics against SA. Stain has lost 1 of it's 4 regions. 2. G/IRON decide to invade Stain to (as I recall reading) exact some sort of punishment on MASS for previous MASS incursions into northern space. This goes atrociously bad for SA; Prime Orbital Systems and Tribal Souls are created as large amounts of SA corps leave SA. At some point, Cosmic Fusion comes in and claims a portion of Stain. SE/Xenobytes continue fighting SA. Stain has lost 2 of it's 4 regions and portions of the remaining others. 3. G/IRON attack ASCN, war stretches on a while. When G/IRON leave, ASCN takes over Esoteria. Stain has now lost 3 of it's 4 regions and still has a portion of the final remaining one claimed by Cosmic Fusion. 4. FIX/SA get into it, SA gains back 1 station in a region out of 3 (the other 2 going to their allies in Huzzah). Trigger apparently participates in negotiations, and everything appears to be improving for SA. From all I can gather, it appears that Trigger is no longer culpable at this point for the actions of someone in SA. Except that at some point Trigger/MASS stepped down as executor of SA and IE-EX become executors. 5. Orc A decides to make ridiculous demands on FIX (and apparently sees nothing wrong with them). Instead of negotiating it out, the war is declared to have resumed. In a move of stunning brilliance, SA decide to declare war on a 3rd party (BOB) who were not directly involved in the SA/FIX conflict outside of negotiations towards a cease fire. SA sends forces into BOB space and preempt almost any chance of a diplomatic resolution. SA, who only days before were able to celebrate victory with its allies over FIX, saw their allies distance themselves from SA and were served with multiple declarations of intent against their alliance. I don't think that Trigger is responsible for that last one, except for the fact that he set into motion a series of events that landed IE-EX in the position of executorship. In a nutshell, that is how I perceive the last few months for Stain since MASS decided to form SA. Please correct any mistakes I have made.
Deathwing	Posted - 2006.02.01 23:47:00 - [80] Originally by: Xelios Quote: We started the war? We set you to neut... Doesn't BoB fire on neutrals in 0.0? You are correct we do fire on neuts in 0.0 space But tbh, where would we have seen you in 0.0 space? You dont run around in any other region then the ones Stain control and the current contested one between FIX and SA. Since BoB pilots never go over there, there was no need to worry of attack from us since we would never be seeing you unless you pressed your fleets past your current possitions. We simply closed our borders to you. SA is the one who immediately after being set to neut with us, dispatched a fleet to our base in Delve and while it was a mear 10 minutes out, filed the war dec. (at which point the SA fleet would have already been inside of BoB controled space) The SA dj can spin spin spin but everyone at this party knows his sht is whack <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS*
Reiken Moisark	Posted - 2006.02.02 03:08:00 - [81] Don't let TR1GGER off too easily here... He has a habit of appointing people like Orc A into positions where they can cause issues like this. Be it intentionally or not, as long as TR1GGER leads a powerful alliance that alliance WILL make waves with those around them. As for the "Stable South" thing has it ever occured to you guys that those who stand by that are those who stand by their word? It's hard as HELL to get FIX or BOB to actually agree to terms, but once they have you can take it to the bank. I know, I've been with one of them for their entire existance. They BOTH value organizations who are willing to make a commitment and stand by it, damn the costs. THAT is why either is and will be willing to help the other when needed. To set something straight, SA did NOT DEFEAT FIX. They took FAT and did so only after a FIX corp (FoFF) bailed out. FoFF wanted FAT badly but evidently not badly enough to follow the recommendations forwarded to them by FIX leadership and command. FoFF was a rogue entity within FIX and FIX leadership was unable to satisfy their needs because they followed their desires instead of logic. And no retorts from FoFF please, you left an alliance in the middle of a war so calling yourself anything other than deserters at this point is ludicrous, regardless of the situation. In response to whether BOB would have helped SA. There shouldn't have been a need. Had SA played their cards right FIX would have helped SA. That's the point, a south where each alliance can depend on the one next to them. The goal being that each entity can focus on a single front without having to worry about their back. It's strategic warfare on the grandest scale and being completely honest, SA has proven time and again they don't have the ability to participate in anything that requires thinking more than 2 days ahead. Anyone who is ever next to SA WILL HAVE PROBLEMS. These guys are consistently led by people like Orc A and they follow spouting lies and ignorance. I, personally, have met several SA members on the battlefield in the past and changed their mind about their own alliance without fighting them. SA is the worst informed, most overreactant alliance in the history of EVE. Being their neighbor is NOT enviable, but someone has had to do it until this point. In tradition, TR1GGER will disappear again and sluff blame off on someone else. The alliance WILL fall and someone will take their place. Then, a few months later TR1GGER and MASS will show back up and claim that they have some predestined right to the territory. Someone should have seen this coming when they used Shinra to break down CA from the inside. But alas... other things were more pressing.
Keth Qarain	Posted - 2006.02.02 04:50:00 - [82] Originally by: xenorx Im wondering why Huzzah got involved in the SA/FIX conflict in the first place. If it was to gain access to those two stations in Catch it really doesnt make sense to me. Those were the FAST stations. All Huzzah had to do was ask for access to those stations and Im 99% sure FIX would have agreed. To my knowledge there had not been any other hostilities between FIX and Huzzah that come to mind. Now Huzzah will forever have FIX as a bitter enemy. There may be a NAP currently in place but I know that FIX will never forget or forgive the attack. Just look at what has gone on since SA broke the origial NAP it had with FIX so long ago. They have been beating the snot out of each other ever since. SA seems to me to be too big and disorganized to have a consistent and unified approach to politics. What seems to me to be mismanagement of what could have been an excellent diplomatic situation has once again jeopardized Stain's power in the south. The hostility between Fix and Stain has so much inertia behind it at this point that I can see no path to real peace between the two. Huzzah, on the other hand, has been consistently impressing me with the way they conduct themselves publicly. I'm not really sure why they sided with SA against Fix, but from all appearances they fought with honor, and just as importantly, they sought a peace that would allow both sides to maintain face and dignity. It speaks volumes that they refused to stay the course when SA tried to steer the alliance ship onto the reefs. This is not only a token of their integrity, but also of their intelligence and political savvy. It was rather a moot point that I was on Fix's side in this war, since my new job has slashed my playtime to near zero, but for what it's worth I bear no ill-will whatsoever towards Huzzah. I hope the day will come when we fight alongside one another as allies. Maybe that's not a sentiment shared by many in Fix, I wouldn't know, I can only speak my own mind, but I doubt very much that the acrimony between Fix and Huzzah will ever approach the enmity between Fix and SA. Keth Qarain Zone 5
SPUFFofDoG	Posted - 2006.02.02 12:37:00 - [83] Originally by: Reiken Moisark To set something straight, SA did NOT DEFEAT FIX. They took FAT and did so only after a FIX corp (FoFF) bailed out. FoFF wanted FAT badly but evidently not badly enough to follow the recommendations forwarded to them by FIX leadership and command. FoFF was a rogue entity within FIX and FIX leadership was unable to satisfy their needs because they followed their desires instead of logic. And no retorts from FoFF please, you left an alliance in the middle of a war so calling yourself anything other than deserters at this point is ludicrous, regardless of the situation. Post with your main & you'll get more than an answer, if this is your main then wtf do you know. FIX Jcos/council & command know what we did & what we tried to change in FIX. SA & Huzzah know who fought. Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
theRaptor	Posted - 2006.02.02 13:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Deathwing SA is the one who immediately after being set to neut with us, dispatched a fleet to our base in Delve and while it was a mear 10 minutes out, filed the war dec. No, they actually sent us the wardec once they were in NOL-M9, which is a good few jumps inside our space. From the reports I remember reading they where in the area for 20 to 30 minutes camping other systems but we didn't respond because their intentions were not known (and directors had been telling us all day that a position regarding SA v FIX had not been decided). Once they started camping NOL-M9 it was obvious that hostiliy was their agenda, the war dec was then sent and left no doubt. Most of the SA fleet went home via clone jumping (interdictors rule). I don't think you trust, in, my, self-righteous suicide.
Bedrock	Posted - 2006.02.02 19:07:00 - [85] without a doubt a fix alt. gg
USN CVN73	Posted - 2006.02.02 21:25:00 - [86] hehe - if Huzzah thinks fix and bob wont engage for the duration of the war with sa that is very surprising and definatly wrong. does Huzzah think fix will not engage? i wouldnt bet on that one... fix and bob could care about huzzah. frankly fix and bob will kill huzzah also when it becomes convenient i am totally confident about this at least fix will get revenge! SA gave huzzah more opportunities than anyone else involved in the southern region. Surprising that the two systems huzzah now claims sovernty and the man power nessesary to keep fix off huzzah back while they took over the systems is forgotten so soon. Huzzah - remember fix and bob dont care about huzzah alliance. never did - SA took you in and gave u opportunities to expand your alliance into new territories. Sad how you turn your back on an alliance that opened their doors to Huzzah in more ways than one. Hope Huzzah can look deeper than just the thin layers of confusion and realize SA stood by Huzzah 100% and hope that Huzzah remembers the opportunities SA provided and support. USN Disclaimer: this is just a response to this thread. nothing more. no flaming needed. respect for all parties involved.
Zhon	Posted - 2006.02.02 22:09:00 - [87] Originally by: Reiken Moisark To set something straight, SA did NOT DEFEAT FIX. They took FAT and did so only after a FIX corp (FoFF) bailed out. FoFF wanted FAT badly but evidently not badly enough to follow the recommendations forwarded to them by FIX leadership and command. FoFF was a rogue entity within FIX and FIX leadership was unable to satisfy their needs because they followed their desires instead of logic. And no retorts from FoFF please, you left an alliance in the middle of a war so calling yourself anything other than deserters at this point is ludicrous, regardless of the situation. First of all NO one has any respect for Alts. You have an opinion put your face on it. SA did defeat FIX in FAT. For now... They earned it. FIX didnt, end of story. FoFF wanted to protect FAT because we viewed it as FIX space a sentiment obviously not shared by most of FIX. Our desire was to stay in FAT and unfortunatly do to lack of support from FIX we could not afford to keep babysitting it while the carebear side of FIX went about its daily routine. These recommendation gave by the council... what recommendations. FIX had its hands over it eyes and was blinded by pride. Fortunatly you are waking up and fixing things that our leadership asked a month and half ago to be addressed. You dont know the situation that FoFF was in if FAT was lost or the Measures we endured to protect FAT in the name of FIX so dont talk to us about Logic. Logic would say that FoFF was the best and the most dedicated Entity in FIX ATT, the adverage gang was 30, biggest gang was 50, and 9/10 there were 15-20 FoFF envolved. We got the most kills, the most ships, the most firepower, the best POS setups , the best tatics, and the best leadership. A rogue entity would best fit a corporation that sat their mining during a red alert and watched as there commrades died. You want to speak of deserion look in the mirror FIX alt, FIX abandon FoFF long..Long.. before we left and we stayed in FAT fighting for you. Sit down, shut up and eat bag of popcorn while you mine that is what you are good at. Any corporation tha fought along side FoFF knows what we did, how we worked, and undoubtly why we made the descion we did. These are my opinions alone and in no way represent the Collective opinion of FoFF.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2006.02.02 23:53:00 - [88] Originally by: USN CVN73 hehe - if Huzzah thinks fix and bob wont engage for the duration of the war with sa that is very surprising and definatly wrong. does Huzzah think fix will not engage? i wouldnt bet on that one... fix and bob could care about huzzah. frankly fix and bob will kill huzzah also when it becomes convenient i am totally confident about this at least fix will get revenge! SA gave huzzah more opportunities than anyone else involved in the southern region. Surprising that the two systems huzzah now claims sovernty and the man power nessesary to keep fix off huzzah back while they took over the systems is forgotten so soon. Huzzah - remember fix and bob dont care about huzzah alliance. never did - SA took you in and gave u opportunities to expand your alliance into new territories. Sad how you turn your back on an alliance that opened their doors to Huzzah in more ways than one. Hope Huzzah can look deeper than just the thin layers of confusion and realize SA stood by Huzzah 100% and hope that Huzzah remembers the opportunities SA provided and support. USN Disclaimer: this is just a response to this thread. nothing more. no flaming needed. respect for all parties involved. As said before Huzzah has not turned it's back on SA, I was in a gang of Huzzah pilots in Stain going to Western Stain to help your pilots fight SE when we heard the war was back on. I called a scramble and mobilisation to join in again and later do we find out that new terms that humiliated the enemy had been laid down and without being consulted about changing those terms. Your unilateral declaration of war against BoB etc even though being given countless opportunities to back down and agree to the original terms again without consultation was too much. What made it worse was that Trigger had not even decided upon these courses of action, he had set up the original terms and things were changed by others. I was faced with a membership that wondered who was calling the shots and what did they think they were doing as they seemed bent on a path of self destruction for SA and it was one where the membership of Huzzah to go. The decision I made did not come easy and what SA did for us and with us will never be forgotten by Huzzah, however all Orc A had to do was say nothing with regards to the terms, to not change them with FIX. Even after hostilities with FIX was resumed and although repeatedly asked by BoB who was their ally to go back to agreed terms again Orc A refused. Personally I feel awful about how things have turned out however as outlined above and in this thread we could not follow you down the road you chose to take this time. President Huzzah Federation Be all you can be, join the Huzzah Armed Forces today!
Angry Dan	Posted - 2006.02.03 00:04:00 - [89] Originally by: Randay Once huzzah starts shooting SA, Im sure FIX will be willing to let bygones be bygones. 2 things We keep our word. We do not betray our allies. Huzzah has achieved it's objectives in Catch. The war between Stain Alliance and BoB was started totally independently by Stain. We gave our word that ceasfire by Huzzah Federation would be kept. We won't break our word by attacking BoB or FiX. We will not attack and ally such as SA. But we also will not fight a war we did not agree with and did not start. Originally by: Edhel setting us to neutral being provocative since we all do the NBSI dance We do not. Neutral shipping is not a target to Huzzah. Neutrals loitering in shuttles and n00b ships, and newly qualified pilots in Empire Megacorps or academies are blatantly spies. Even we bring out the flyswatter for them. Originally by: xenorx Im wondering why Huzzah got involved in the SA/FIX conflict in the first place. If it was to gain access to those two stations in Catch it really doesnt make sense to me. Those were the FAST stations. All Huzzah had to do was ask for access to those stations and Im 99% sure FIX would have agreed. To my knowledge there had not been any other hostilities between FIX and Huzzah that come to mind. Now Huzzah will forever have FIX as a bitter enemy. There may be a NAP currently in place but I know that FIX will never forget or forgive the attack. Just look at what has gone on since SA broke the origial NAP it had with FIX so long ago. They have been beating the snot out of each other ever since. Heres a little of the history. FiX attempted some piracy, a long time ago. Rather than instantly go 'rah uggg smash' we contacted FiX for an explanation. To cut a long story short, they just delcared NBSI (well they did they next day), and tough, we were not on the list for a group hug. So, they went to hostile and have stayed there till the end of this war. We did not and could not get +ve standings from FiX. So if we wanted to expand int a decnet part of 0.0, we had to kick the door in. Originally by: Greme Tech II exotic dancers - +5% to felatio per level. WTB Tech 2 exotic dancers. Iskies waiting FiX have earnt our respect with there dogged defence of Catch. From the very first day until FAT-6P fell, Fix were a dogged and tough foe. They came out and they brought it. No smack, no exploiting, no dirty tricks. Just honest to god grab em by the shirt and punch em fighting. As for what the future holds, only time will tell. ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!
DeadProphet	Posted - 2006.02.03 03:12:00 - [90] Hans Roaming may just be the most reasonable and rational poster in eve-o. :o)
Corto Maltese	Posted - 2006.02.03 03:27:00 - [91] Originally by: Righteous Fury Hans, just as a point of interest - what is your response to Huzzah pilots coming to Delve with the rest of the SA gang? They were involved in the attack initially, I'm just curious as to what happened there. I changed my bio that I was on timer. But I suppose not that many people opens it up and reads it so so.. Didn't wanna make any trouble for Huzzah, and still didn't wanna see Gard heading out alone in the wilderness,, so I tagged along. (Blame CCP for timer when leaving corps :) ) 'You can even check the GM's if they can help you with proof,, same as checking my bio now and count out the time about when I applied and when I was on timer etc..' Sorry if there's been any missunderstandings or doubts about Huzzah's neutral standings after this. Hans is the best and always is fair and tries to solve the situations for everyones best!
Cleaner Renaelc	Posted - 2006.02.03 10:28:00 - [92] To those that bash ex-Fix FoFF: Bite me. I'd fly with you guys any day, hope you return to Fix some day.

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