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Merenn Rotaly	Posted - 2006.02.02 07:56:00 - [1] I just recently got scammed out of 65m and podded by goonfleet because I accidentally trusted them. I've included chatlogs of the event, but here is a short summary: I was kicked out of KHM Corporation [KHM C] for disagreeing with one of their policies in an impolite manner. Since I was in the area and knew some people in Goonfleet, I decided I'd apply so I'd have people to mine and PvP with. For some reason Goonfleet decided that I was a paid spy and proceeded to scam me out of 65m in "trust money" and pod me. This is the good cop/bad cop chatlog started by a convo from Boxcar McGee following my application (I've edited it out useless parts because it is rather long) [05:13:23] Boxcar McGee > Well anyways, we obviously have some questions about coming into the corp. As you probably know, we have had a lot of problems with corp thefts and spies. [05:14:17] Merenn Rotaly > yeah, I know [05:14:39] Boxcar McGee > I hate to say this as I don't know you, how do we know you're not here to scam/spy on us? [05:15:06] Merenn Rotaly > well the obvious answer is that you can never know for sure :( [05:16:32] Merenn Rotaly > I guess the only thing I can say is that I'm not interested in starting or perpetuating drama and I have too effective a consciense to be able to scam people or spy or thieve [05:17:00] Boxcar McGee > well, unfortunately we've been burned quite a few times in the past and we'll need some assurance on your part. [05:17:26] Merenn Rotaly > what sort of assurance did you have in mind? [05:18:04] Merenn Rotaly > I do have to say that I'm less likely to be a spy than one of the new recruits from the megathread [...] [05:22:27] Boxcar McGee > well, we've instituted a policy with all new people that didn't sign up for GF the first time that they escrow us a small amount we keep for a month in exchange for public access. If you don't rob us blind in a month and sell us out you get it back [05:22:52] Merenn Rotaly > ok [05:23:42] Boxcar McGee > cool. Just send 50m to the corp and we'll process your app and I'll set your access up. [...] [05:26:35] Merenn Rotaly > and money sent [05:27:13] Boxcar McGee > awesome, one sec [05:28:04] Boxcar McGee > wtc [05:28:13] Boxcar McGee > here Hoegaarden you tell him [05:28:31] Hoegaarden > i really dont think that we have a place for you here [05:28:40] Hoegaarden > youre just going to ** us over in the long run [05:28:43] Boxcar McGee > dude don't do this to him [05:28:47] Merenn Rotaly > no I'm not [05:29:12] Boxcar McGee > He's not man. He sent the trust money. What more do you want Hoe? [05:29:22] Hoegaarden > i just cant see how we can trust him [05:29:47] Boxcar McGee > uh....because he SENT US MONEY. What corp thief/spy is going to do that? [05:29:58] Merenn Rotaly > there's no reason to trust anybody if you take that attitude [05:30:23] Merenn Rotaly > ask aliksr or somebody if I've been a troublemaker [05:30:48] Boxcar McGee > We trust *** newbies we recruit on a semi-public message board [..] [05:34:18] Hoegaarden > yeah but this guy is coming from KHM so we definitly need something more than that, im telling you 50m is it [05:34:31] Boxcar McGee > wtc [05:35:02] Hoegaarden > dude i dont trust those guys as far is i can throw them why should i trust someone WHO THEY THREW OUT [05:35:03] Boxcar McGee > that's 100m total?! [..] [05:42:31] Merenn Rotaly > I'd like to point out that it didn't end with me and MrReebok threatening to kill each other [05:42:45] Merenn Rotaly > but on rather cordial terms [05:43:28] Hoegaarden > i know how he is, he ***** holds grudges forever and ill need that 50m to help smooth things over [05:45:33] Merenn Rotaly > I have 19mil in my wallet so that 50m extra is a bit of a problem [05:47:05] Hoegaarden > i guess we dont have much of a choice than to take that as collateral then [05:47:28] Merenn Rotaly > is 15m allright, it'll leave me with enough to get an osprey and mine
Merenn Rotaly	Posted - 2006.02.02 07:58:00 - [2] After that, I got told to meet him in y9g because they didn't want an incident with KHM. This started to ring some alarm bells but after paying 65m I decided to just do it. [06:20:42] Merenn Rotaly > and i'm at y9g [06:20:54] Merenn Rotaly > station? [06:21:04] Boxcar McGee > one sec ... and this is where I ganged up with Boxcar and was warped to a POS with bubbles. [06:21:49] Boxcar McGee > I'll insta you there [06:22:58] Merenn Rotaly > well that was a rather convoluted gnank [06:23:23] Boxcar McGee > tell holy Queefs hi [06:23:30] Merenn Rotaly > I'm not friends with holy queefs [06:23:32] Merenn Rotaly > FOR **'S SAKE [06:23:49] Merenn Rotaly > I'm not friends with any of those guys Why did I get ganked then? Because I was a paid spy apparently [06:30:21] Merenn Rotaly > just a FYI, I don't know who the holy queefs is [06:30:33] Merenn Rotaly > you ganked an innocent so gg [06:30:47] Boxcar McGee > o rly? [06:30:49] Merenn Rotaly > yeah [06:31:27] Merenn Rotaly > it's a shame that the edrama has ** things up this bad [06:31:50] Boxcar McGee > You are a spy. [06:31:52] Merenn Rotaly > no [06:32:02] Boxcar McGee > yes [06:32:02] Merenn Rotaly > there's nothing I can do or say to convince you of that it seems but no [06:32:26] Merenn Rotaly > I am not a spy and I thought that whatever the other goons were doing to mess with you was utter bull [06:32:49] Boxcar McGee > that's not what we heard [06:32:56] Merenn Rotaly > who did you hear it from then [06:33:02] Merenn Rotaly > because whoever it was was full of [06:33:15] Merenn Rotaly > like I said before, I don't like drama and I don't like backstabbing [06:33:40] Merenn Rotaly > I wanted to play with a group of people I at least sortof know, and goons are usually people you can hang back and shoot the ** with [06:34:07] Merenn Rotaly > I joined KHM because at that time people I knew from City of Heroes were in KHM [06:35:51] Merenn Rotaly > what I'm interested in is what the hell made you think I was a spy [06:39:19] Boxcar McGee > um, we know you got your money. Frankly, I'm tired and don't care enough to argue about this. I'm sort of interested in knowing who was supposed to pay me for spying because I need that money now since GF scammed me of 65m, thanks in advance!
Lord Zod	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:16:00 - [3] Edited by: Lord Zod on 02/02/2006 08:16:10 Your gonna get flamed mate (things are getting sort of Counterstrikish here lately), but unlucky dude, some people are just plain asshats (and you just met some of them). BUT, i have to say you was kinda silly doing that, i mean if i tried to join a corp and they asked me for money first they would get the old middle finger and a blaster in the head. - Oops, alt
ChefAce	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:23:00 - [4] And GF claims to be Anti-Pirate......riiiiiight. They are the sort of people who give all pirates a bad name. And besides, you must have missed it when one of their members spilled the beans about how they promote scamming, greifing, and general foul play ingame. Too bad you missed that thread. They are definitely not to be trusted. And as soon as their membership finds out that Remedial and BOS are keeping all their ISK I am sure we'll see plenty of them leaving in droves. Too bad really, I was starting to think they were going to amount to something one day. I guess we were both wrong. -------------
Merenn Rotaly	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:25:00 - [5] Yeah, I was just somewhat desperate to get into a corporation that had positive standing with OSS since I was in OSS space. Goonfleet is composed of members of http://forums.somethingawful.com and since I'm a member too and because in the past goons (ie. members of said forums) and especially Goonfleet members have made a big deal of being against goons scamming goons I sort of thought I could trust them. Now I just need to pick myself up and continue, but I just wanted to post this here to tell people how Goonfleet rolls.
Leno	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:35:00 - [6] may i suggest trying to talk to them thru the SA forums? or eve-mail or their corp forums? Maybe you can convince them that there was a misunderstanding and get ur stuff back --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Merenn Rotaly	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:55:00 - [7] I did post this on a eve goon forum with the full chatlogs, and other directors and the CEO of goonfleet do read that forum. I don't hold much hope for getting my stuff back though.
K3NDY	Posted - 2006.02.02 08:58:00 - [8] if its any consolation merenn, murder of crows have killed and poded over 100 goon fleet members since the start of last week. and going by the contents of the haulers ur 65m was small change FOR THE CRIME IM ABOUT TO COMMIT, MAY EVE MAKE ME TRUELY THANKFUL
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:17:00 - [9] Edited by: Remedial on 02/02/2006 09:17:33 Originally by: ChefAce And GF claims to be Anti-Pirate......riiiiiight. Actually we're Anti-Moron. Come get your crokite and 10/10 back Cheffy! Quote: They are definitely not to be trusted. And as soon as their membership finds out that Remedial and BOS are keeping all their ISK I am sure we'll see plenty of them leaving in droves.
Pxattla	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Remedial Edited by: Remedial on 02/02/2006 09:17:33 Originally by: ChefAce And GF claims to be Anti-Pirate......riiiiiight. Actually we're Anti-Moron. Come get your crokite and 10/10 back Cheffy! Quote: They are definitely not to be trusted. And as soon as their membership finds out that Remedial and BOS are keeping all their ISK I am sure we'll see plenty of them leaving in droves. Nothing to say about what your members did, you worthless sack of ****?

Giganticus	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:23:00 - [11] So Remedial, anything to say on the fact that 2 of your members stole 65mil from an innocent player?
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:32:00 - [12] Originally by: Giganticus So Remedial, anything to say on the fact that 2 of your members stole 65mil from an innocent player? Sure, he's not innocent. Also you're in Lordless, and your corp griefs people all the time. In fact, you accepted a member into your midst a few weeks ago that stole some money from us. Are you posting here for any particular reason or just to hear yourself talk?
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:35:00 - [13] Originally by: Pxattla Nothing to say about what your members did, you worthless sack of ****? What a surprise! An alt is posting smack on the Eve-O forums :o
Giganticus	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:35:00 - [14] Edited by: Giganticus on 02/02/2006 09:35:56 Well I can assure you that I - personally - already have an alt in Goonfleet, and that we really didn't want to or need to "enlist" Merenn. Honest. Plus you know, who the hell spies with their main? Footnote: yes, yes we do grief, but we are pirates. You are supposedly anti-pirate, which is why this whole saga is so delicious.
Furnok Dorn	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:38:00 - [15] Originally by: Remedial Originally by: Pxattla Nothing to say about what your members did, you worthless sack of ****? What a surprise! An alt is posting smack on the Eve-O forums :o what a surprise! you dodging a question and refusing to back it up with proof!
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Giganticus Well I can assure you that I already have an alt in Goonfleet, and that we really didn't want to or need to "enlist" Merenn. Honest. That's cool, your spy can chill with our spies and have a beer :) Quote: Footnote: yes, yes we do grief, but we are pirates. You are supposedly anti-pirate, which is why this whole saga is so delicious. No, you are wannabe pirates. Your pirating is so good that your CEO lost 500M isk to a scam that had nothing to do with us just last week. Is that why you wanted to come in here and start smacking?
Merenn Rotaly	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Remedial Sure, he's not innocent. This is a rather bold claim when taking into account the fact that the only thing I'm guilty of is trusting Goonfleet. I thought all the drama surrounding your corporation was old hatreds between old players being regurgitated back up. This little incident sure set me straight on that matter.
Giganticus	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:42:00 - [18] I'm not smacking, I don't think I've made a single insult. I just want to know why you thought Merenn was guilty when he wasn't. So uh, reasons please? Note: he really wasn't, I can swear on that to you.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Furnok Dorn what a surprise! you dodging a question and refusing to back it up with proof! We're not dodging anything. His CEO told us to watch out for people from KHM attempting to join GoonFleet, so we did. If you want to yell at people, why don't you yell at all the KHM ex-goons who told Reebok to **** off after using his resources and crokite for an entire month before just leaving his corp when he asked them to PvP for OSS? Oh wait, that would require you to stop applying a double standard. Hurrrrrr.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Merenn Rotaly Originally by: Remedial Sure, he's not innocent. This is a rather bold claim when taking into account the fact that the only thing I'm guilty of is trusting Goonfleet. I thought all the drama surrounding your corporation was old hatreds between old players being regurgitated back up. This little incident sure set me straight on that matter. Buddy, you left KHM because you didn't like MrReebok's policies. MrReebok is one of our closest allies and we like him a whole lot more than people from his corp who can't be asked to defend their own space when they're free to mine crokite and rat in good space 23/7. If you have a problem with what we did, you talk to Reebok and have him talk to me and I'll set things straight. Otherwise we're certainly not going to take KHM's rejects into GoonFleet on any sort of good faith.

Furnok Dorn	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Remedial Originally by: Furnok Dorn what a surprise! you dodging a question and refusing to back it up with proof! We're not dodging anything. His CEO told us to watch out for people from KHM attempting to join GoonFleet, so we did. If you want to yell at people, why don't you yell at all the KHM ex-goons who told Reebok to **** off after using his resources and crokite for an entire month before just leaving his corp when he asked them to PvP for OSS? Oh wait, that would require you to stop applying a double standard. Hurrrrrr. okay, so where in this whole debacle is podding and scamming and killing merenn acceptable? stop DODGING THE ISSUE
Trac3rt	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:49:00 - [22] Originally by: ChefAce And GF claims to be Anti-Pirate......riiiiiight. They are the sort of people who give all pirates a bad name. I am sure if you found someone who just got kicked out of goonfleet, took 65Mil from them, and warped them to a POS you would be here posting basking in the forum glory. Maybe people should find out why this guy was kicked from KHM before judging. For all you know he could have just attempted to jack the KHM hangers, and was trying to do the same to Goonfleet before leaving OSS space. Cheface, give it a break, you come across as a really bitter old man. PS: Love the alt posts, why cant people just post with their main and take some responsibility for their posts?
Mystiel Raleigh	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:49:00 - [23] Originally by: Remedial No, you are wannabe pirates. Your pirating is so good that your CEO lost 500M isk to a scam that had nothing to do with us just last week. Is that why you wanted to come in here and start smacking? It had nothing to do with you but the scammer was in GoonFleet? Does not compute, last time I checked Necolycan's been GF the whole time. Originally by: Remedial Sure, he's not innocent. He's not innocent but we have no proof so you'll have to take my word for it! He must be a Serious Business spy, what with you telling everyone who will listen that we're gunning for GoonFleet, even though we've never scammed or shot a GF member because we've got GF/KHM set to +5 (although I'm not really sure why that is since you seem to take every chance possible to provoke us by talking crap about us to OSS.) [longest run-on sentence ever]
Furnok Dorn	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:50:00 - [24] Originally by: Remedial Originally by: Merenn Rotaly Originally by: Remedial Sure, he's not innocent. This is a rather bold claim when taking into account the fact that the only thing I'm guilty of is trusting Goonfleet. I thought all the drama surrounding your corporation was old hatreds between old players being regurgitated back up. This little incident sure set me straight on that matter. Buddy, you left KHM because you didn't like MrReebok's policies. MrReebok is one of our closest allies and we like him a whole lot more than people from his corp who can't be asked to defend their own space when they're free to mine crokite and rat in good space 23/7. If you have a problem with what we did, you talk to Reebok and have him talk to me and I'll set things straight. Otherwise we're certainly not going to take KHM's rejects into GoonFleet on any sort of good faith. his policy of 'being on teamspeak whenever you are logged into eve' is what was disagreed with, also answer my question; do you support your members podding and scamming this guy
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Furnok Dorn okay, so where in this whole debacle is podding and scamming and killing merenn acceptable? stop DODGING THE ISSUE I really don't know why I'd have to justify ANYTHING to you Furnok, considering that the only reason you're in here is to flame me since you left GoonFleet two months ago. But I'll humor you for a second so you stop screaming the same inane crap over and over. If an ally tells us that some jerk is going to apply to our corp from his corp, and he does, we don't feel an ounce of loyalty to that jerk in the slightest. Especially considering how patient Reebok usually is of people in his corp that take advantage of his niceness and tolerance. We didn't owe captain internet there anything, and I'm certainly not going to question a good ally's judgment. If captain internet thinks that he's been wronged, he should contact his former CEO or the CEO of BOS. That's really it.
Zell Shadowcast	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:52:00 - [26] I find it pretty disgusting, Remedial, that you'd approve of this while bringing newbies into the game. I've kept fairly silent on the drama thus far, and despite my reservations on bringing so many newbies into 0.0, I know you're better than this whole bag of "KHM Reject deserves what he got" nonsense. Whether or not you accept Merenn into the corp is a non-issue. There would, in fact, be no problem if you had simply rejected him. The issue, however, is that instead of dealing with Merenn in a straightforward manner, Boxcar and Hoegaarden led Merenn on to the tune of 65 million isk and a podkill. You're not going to give him his money back; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But you're going to allow 65 million dollars to tarnish an already undesireable name in the EVE Universe. Good game, champ.
Furnok Dorn	Posted - 2006.02.02 09:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Remedial Originally by: Furnok Dorn okay, so where in this whole debacle is podding and scamming and killing merenn acceptable? stop DODGING THE ISSUE I really don't know why I'd have to justify ANYTHING to you Furnok, considering that the only reason you're in here is to flame me since you left GoonFleet two months ago. But I'll humor you for a second so you stop screaming the same inane crap over and over. If an ally tells us that some jerk is going to apply to our corp from his corp, and he does, we don't feel an ounce of loyalty to that jerk in the slightest. Especially considering how patient Reebok usually is of people in his corp that take advantage of his niceness and tolerance. We didn't owe captain internet there anything, and I'm certainly not going to question a good ally's judgment. If captain internet thinks that he's been wronged, he should contact his former CEO or the CEO of BOS. That's really it. i dont know if your libertarian, debate club, law school friends consider this a direct answer to 'do you support your members podding and scamming merenn', but i sure don't. all i'm looking for here is a yes or no
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:01:00 - [28] Originally by: Zell Shadowcast I find it pretty disgusting, Remedial, that you'd approve of this while bringing newbies into the game. I've kept fairly silent on the drama thus far, and despite my reservations on bringing so many newbies into 0.0, I know you're better than this whole bag of "KHM Reject deserves what he got" nonsense. Why is it nonsense? I trust my allies, and I don't think that trust is unjustified here unless you all have some sort of proof that you'd like to come on and present. Do you? Or are you guys just coming here to post about how much Remedial Suxx and GoonFleet Suxx and I-can't-believe-they-shot-that-guy even though every one of you has belonged to corps that griefed, stole and killed in the past? This "moral outrage" sounds pretty hollow to me. Quote: Whether or not you accept Merenn into the corp is a non-issue. There would, in fact, be no problem if you had simply rejected him. The issue, however, is that instead of dealing with Merenn in a straightforward manner, Boxcar and Hoegaarden led Merenn on to the tune of 65 million isk and a podkill. This is Syndicate and he was applying to a corp friendly to the CEO that he just told to *** off before leaving*, and I don't know why I'm repeating myself, so I think we're done here.
Jarek Naumen	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Remedial Originally by: Giganticus So Remedial, anything to say on the fact that 2 of your members stole 65mil from an innocent player? Sure, he's not innocent. Also you're in Lordless, and your corp griefs people all the time. In fact, you accepted a member into your midst a few weeks ago that stole some money from us. Are you posting here for any particular reason or just to hear yourself talk? Until you can PROVE he's quilty he's innocent. If you were suspicious then you should've said NO to his application and that's it. But as someone already said who the hell spies with his main?? What your members have done is shameless abuse of someone's trust..you are not anti-pirate..you are griefers..in fact worse then them because they just kill you directly not stab you in the back. If they would be in my corp they would be podded and kicked. But it seems that it all went with your agreement so....i'll better stop and restrain from flaming you.
Remedial	Posted - 2006.02.02 10:04:00 - [30] Originally by: Mystiel Raleigh GoonFleet has a history of doing zero research and just shrieking about nonsense that has no basis in fact. You get used to it after a while. Good luck with your alliance and forums Mystiel Raleigh/Werner Bohr/Adarian Silverthorn/Whatever other 15 accounts you have. I'm out.



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