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Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:00:00 - [1] - Quote Contents 1. Bond Terms & Conditions 2. Explanation of Terms & Conditions 3. Public Information 4. Bond Purpose 5. Bond Risks 6. Exit Strategy 7. Investor Information 8. Investor List 9. Previous Completed Loans 10. Previous Investors 1. Bond Terms & Conditions Total Bond Size: 15B (15 Billion) Rate: 10% Bonds: 1B (1 Billion) ISK each (no max purchase) Collateral: None Start Date: 24 October, 2013* End Date: 24 November, 2013* Dates may change according to ISK receipt date 2. Explanation of Terms & Conditions* 15B ISK bond with 10% interest paid per month. 15 bonds at 1B each No collateral: It simply is not feasible for me to provide a sizable portion of the principle without seriously disrupting my trading and, therefore, this is something that I will not be offering. Audit: I have no intention to arrange one, however if this proves essential for investors confidence then we can discuss contacting a reputable auditor and having one performed. Interest: Will be paid at the end of the term within 24 hours of the end date. Pull-Out: If you wish to pull-out then the interest earned will be calculated on a daily basis and you will not receieve the full 10%. You must give 48 hours notice. 3. Public Information I would like to stay as transparent as possible. Alts: Dai007 (Main), Mattikus Saken (Production), Rex Anguine (Production), Doctor Salcazzis (Production) 4. Bond Purpose I am currently station trading with a NAV of around 40B, the bond funds will be injected straight into my trading operations and will allow me to expand into more buy orders & higher quanities which in return will lead to more profits. Buy low/sell high strategy with fast turnarounds. 5. Bond Risks Scam: This is something that will always popup, and there has been countless discussions about it. There is nothing I can do to absolutely assure you that this will not happen, all I can tell you is I am not interested in any scam attempt or rep grinding or anything of these sorts. Wardec: I will not be leaving the station to do anything. Public courier contracts are used to move any items. 6. Exit Strategy If anything was to go wrong then all buy orders will be cancelled and sell orders will be priority. All principal and interest will be returned as if the bond had completed. 7. Investor Information Investors may invest as much as they want, but with a minimum investment of 100M. Public investors please post here and declare your interest. Any silent investors please contact me via eve-mail 8. Investor List None 9. Previous Completed Loans: G£ö 12B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 8B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 4B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 2B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 2B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 10% - 30 Days G£ö 1B @ 15% - 1 Month 10. Previous Investors GÇó Pinnel GÇó Kraillach GÇó Michelle P1H9A8N1 GÇó okoolos rimmer GÇó I Was There GÇó Plato Idari
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:01:00 - [2] - Quote Reserved.
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 107	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:21:00 - [3] - Quote lol
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 557	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:36:00 - [4] - Quote I take your lol and raise it two lols. - No clear strategy apart from 'station trading' - tick - No audit - tick - Ever increasing bonds used to finance previous bonds interest payments - tick Maybe investors will get lucky this time, but this ones gonna go 'boom' soon.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:47:00 - [5] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: I take your lol and raise it two lols. - No clear strategy apart from 'station trading' - tick - No audit - tick - Ever increasing bonds used to finance previous bonds interest payments - tick Maybe investors will get lucky this time, but this ones gonna go 'boom' soon. Strategy is clear - Buy low, sell high - Tick (Station trading is not complex and there is nothing more to a station trading strategy) Audit - What would an audit accomplish? You would be able to tell that I am actually a trader and discover what items I trade with?. I don't quite understand your last point, the previous loan has been completed & all principals & interest were paid out BEFORE this bond was offered. If any investor is genuinely interested then I can provide a report from Eve-Mogul.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 557	Posted - 2013.10.23 19:59:00 - [6] - Quote I forgot. No collateral - tick I place this post merely so that when this one runs off with your hard earned money I can come back, point my finger and say "I warned you!"...
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:00:00 - [7] - Quote I don't know if somebody has asked this in any of your previous threads (I apologize if so) but could you tell us a few words about Hurricane Research? It doesn't seem to be a freshly created alt corp and I am a little curious how you ended up in control of it.
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 107	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:02:00 - [8] - Quote His large point was referring to the fact that repaying 1.2b in interest a day before announcing that you want an additional 3b in investment is not actually indicative of trustworthiness. A cynical man might think that you repaid the 1.2b in interest as an expense to be offset against the 3b you wished to loan. Had you requested another 12b loan then you would have been taking a loss by being honourable and not stealing it. However if you successfully fill this 15b loan then the repayment will have not cost you 1.2b but rather gained you 1.8b.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:08:00 - [9] - Quote Vera Algaert wrote: I don't know if somebody has asked this in any of your previous threads (I apologize if so) but could you tell us a few words about Hurricane Research? It doesn't seem to be a freshly created alt corp and I am a little curious how you ended up in control of it. Apologies I will update the Public Information section now. Hurricane Research was bought back on 21st September from the Sell Orders - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3631500 Grendell was used as a 3rd Party. All but Dai007 are members of that corp X ATM092 wrote: His large point was referring to the fact that repaying 1.2b in interest a day before announcing that you want an additional 3b in investment is not actually indicative of trustworthiness. A cynical man might think that you repaid the 1.2b in interest as an expense to be offset against the 3b you wished to loan. Had you requested another 12b loan then you would have been taking a loss by being honourable and not stealing it. However if you successfully fill this 15b loan then the repayment will have not cost you 1.2b but rather gained you 1.8b. 1.22B was paid out in interest. So with your logic I am taking a loss of 20M?. There is no loss, I made over 26B this month so 1.22B interest was taken out of the profits. Do you not understand this?. Uppsy Daisy wrote: I forgot. No collateral - tick I place this post merely so that when this one runs off with your hard earned money I can come back, point my finger and say "I warned you!"... As detailed in the bond offering, it would be stupid to offer collateral on a station trading operation. If i had 15B collateral I would just simply sell it. Common Sense - Not ticked
Silvetica Dian Manson Family Advent of Fate 230	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:29:00 - [10] - Quote apart from the pirate thread MD has the best stories. i am enjoying this one. The tengu guy was awesome and that guy that came back to the game after 9 months or so to repay his loan was amazing. i am keen to see the next episode of this story whoever turns out to be correct Marriage: The reason we build bars Galen Tyrol
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 107	Posted - 2013.10.23 20:38:00 - [11] - Quote Waffle, you're not understanding. Try reading it again.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:11:00 - [12] - Quote X ATM092 wrote: Waffle, you're not understanding. Try reading it again. I totally understand, the point is invalid. Why would I look to offset the interest paid-out in another loan/bond? It makes no sense. Again, the comments that have been raised by yourself and Uppsy Daisy have no weight or backing on your theories. My previous loans have always successfully finished with good profits and interest/principal has always been returned. I keep hearing the same comments - "XXX scammed so you will too". Also, why bother commenting if you don't get involved with investments?. What previous records do you have in market investments that gives you the ability to determine what is a 'safe' risk or not?
X ATM092 Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 107	Posted - 2013.10.23 21:31:00 - [13] - Quote Consider yourself in the position where you're about to repay the 12b loan. You could keep the isk or you could be honourable. Keeping the isk is worth 13.2b (12+10%), being honourable is worth 0. There is a 13.2b difference here. However if the honourable decision of repaying the 13.2b leads to you being given a loan of 15b, which you could then steal, you could do it profitably for dishonourable motives. Imagine if you did no trading and this were all a giant rep grinding attempt. If you were to pay out 1.2b in interest then that would be a 1.2b loss, you would have 1.2b less in your wallet than you started with. However as long as you increased the size of the loan by more than that amount then you could offset the 1.2b you lost with the increased size of the eventual theft. Interestly enough every loan you have requested has increased in size by an amount greater than your interest amount. What this means is that while a loan is running the amount you are being trusted with is always greater than the amount you have paid out in interest to date. With this in mind I don't think your previous history in any way implies an honourable character, you could equally be motivated by profit. Consider the following. I promise to send someone 20m back if they first send me 10m. We do this, I am now down 10m from my starting isk. However the decision to do this can still be rationalised beyond keeping my promise if I believe that by doing it he will trust me with sums greater than 10m. If we then repeat it with 50m, for example, and I choose to keep the 50m then that 10m I lost by honouring my promise was actually an investment which repaid itself four times only. How might we distinguish your service, whereby we send you isk with no assurances and you return it +10%, from the many other gentlemen who offer a similar service in Jita local? If anything your rates are actually really low. I hear one gentleman will turn my 500m into 5b.
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 1086	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:23:00 - [14] - Quote You naughty person pretended to buy a ticket in your own lottery For the record could you confirm/deny whether Medgeth is just a friend or an alt?
Nanatoa 366	Posted - 2013.10.23 22:50:00 - [15] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Audit - What would an audit accomplish? You would be able to tell that I am actually a trader and discover what items I trade with?. An audit would establish that you are actually trading, instead of just paying out interest to get bigger loans (until one is big enough). An audit would not prove that this is not a scam, it would simply prove that you're putting in proper effort. "Stay the course, we have done this many times before." - (CCP) Hilmar, June 2011
okoolos rimmer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:05:00 - [16] - Quote I have to say that I'm quite suprised that you run a scam lottery. This puts this loan in an entirely different light.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:10:00 - [17] - Quote Medgeth is a RL friend, doesn't play a lot anymore. Haha from what i can recall the ticket buying was a mere bump for the lottery. As it was secured then I had no way to scam it. Eve-Mogul report would confirm that I am actually trading. I dont know who does audits that is still active enough to request one. Plus as you say it does nothing to prove its not a scam - which is what most players have a problem with.
Thoraemond Far Ranger 111	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:14:00 - [18] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: There is no loss, I made over 26B this month so 1.22B interest was taken out of the profits. So last month, you started with a NAV of about 23 billion and borrowed 12.2 billion (total about 35 billion) and made 26 billion with that, a return of roughly 70-odd % over a month. Seems okay. You claim your NAV is now about 40 billion. So this suggests that, even without borrowing, you get a return of something like 28 billion over the next month, if you maintain a similar rate of return from last month to this. So at this point, borrowing 15 billion ISK for a month advances your operation to a size it will reach anyhow in a couple of weeks. A two-week difference like that can be quite meaningful at the start of a trading career when the cost of a PLEX or two for your accounts is eating up a lot of your gross, but at this point, it's not clear why this is important. It seems like a bit of a hassle to borrow that ISK from the public when you'll likely hit the same point in your own NAV in a fortnight anyhow. Wafflehead wrote: Common Sense - Not ticked Agreed, though perhaps not in the way you mean.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.24 04:21:00 - [19] - Quote Thoraemond wrote: Wafflehead wrote: There is no loss, I made over 26B this month so 1.22B interest was taken out of the profits. So last month, you started with a NAV of about 23 billion and borrowed 12.2 billion (total about 35 billion) and made 26 billion with that, a return of roughly 70-odd % over a month. Seems okay. You claim your NAV is now about 40 billion. So this suggests that, even without borrowing, you get a return of something like 28 billion over the next month, if you maintain a similar rate of return from last month to this. So at this point, borrowing 15 billion ISK for a month advances your operation to a size it will reach anyhow in a couple of weeks. A two-week difference like that can be quite meaningful at the start of a trading career when the cost of a PLEX or two for your accounts is eating up a lot of your gross, but at this point, it's not clear why this is important. It seems like a bit of a hassle to borrow that ISK from the public when you'll likely hit the same point in your own NAV in a fortnight Agreed and correct the investment would put me forward a couple of weeks. It just helps with adding more ISK to my current buy orders. With the 15B I will earn my profits faster, without it as you say I will still turn a decent profit. I need ISK to simply pump into my trade orders and for that I am offering a decent interest payout.
Setsune Rin Bite Me inc Bitten. 99	Posted - 2013.10.24 08:42:00 - [20] - Quote just get an audit and be done with it, saves you so much hassle i sincerely hope this blows up, a lessons needs to be taught to some people apparently.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.24 08:46:00 - [21] - Quote Setsune Rin wrote: just get an audit and be done with it, saves you so much hassle i sincerely hope this blows up, a lessons needs to be taught to some people apparently. I have searched the forums and I cannot find any active audit services. Do you know of any? Edit: I have sent an email to Vaerah Vahrokha, as she did an audit on one of Rykker's bonds. An audit may be a waste of time, it is just going to confirm what you already know, I am a trader and some of my previous investors have noticed buying items off me from the market. I am happy to complete an audit if the price & terms are good, although I don't see it assuring anyone.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1552	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:32:00 - [22] - Quote Setsune Rin wrote: just get an audit and be done with it, saves you so much hassle i sincerely hope this blows up, a lessons needs to be taught to some people apparently. I agree , OP i will fill the remaining 13 B . Tell me when to send the isk. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:55:00 - [23] - Quote flakeys wrote: Setsune Rin wrote: just get an audit and be done with it, saves you so much hassle i sincerely hope this blows up, a lessons needs to be taught to some people apparently. I agree , OP i will fill the remaining 13 B . Tell me when to send the isk. Confirming 13B investment from flakeys. That makes the bond closed and started. Dates will stay the same - 24th November to finish
I Was There Scorpion Invest 98	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:02:00 - [24] - Quote It's all about riding a wave. Ride it when it's going, but don't be on it when it's cash-out time.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1552	Posted - 2013.10.24 17:10:00 - [25] - Quote I Was There wrote: It's all about riding a wave. Ride it when it's going, but don't be on it when it's cash-out time. Makes me think of that time my wife said the same thing then i cashed out before she was off the ride .... ahh good times those where ... these days i don't even get a chance to cash out We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 557	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:52:00 - [26] - Quote flakeys wrote: I Was There wrote: It's all about riding a wave. Ride it when it's going, but don't be on it when it's cash-out time. Makes me think of that time my wife said the same thing then i cashed out before she was off the ride .... ahh good times those where ... these days i don't even get a chance to cash out Brightened my day..
I Was There Scorpion Invest xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx 98	Posted - 2013.10.25 09:56:00 - [27] - Quote During the 12,2b loan you were all blaming him for rep-grinding. I was scared that he'd decide to cash-out on that on.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.25 10:48:00 - [28] - Quote I Was There wrote: During the 12,2b loan you were all blaming him for rep-grinding. I was scared that he'd decide to cash-out on that on. I know its hard to believe but i have no intention to 'cash-out'. If i had collateral that I wasn't using then I would offer it, but all my ISK is liquid involved in trading.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 4455	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:20:00 - [29] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: I know its hard to believe but i have no intention to 'cash-out'. If i had collateral that I wasn't using then I would offer it, but all my ISK is liquid involved in trading. I did not want to influence the bond funds gathering outcome, now that it's started I may confirm that I got asked for an audit so there has been some goodwill involved. I can't perform audits at the moment, I will be absurdly busy IRL till March 2014. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Lord Wickham Cult of War University Cult of War 17	Posted - 2013.10.25 15:10:00 - [30] - Quote i ran 20bil no collateral bonds for months on end sometimes people just need a cash boost until they can self sustain 10-20bil cashflows in and out without worrying about selling assets to cover it. its hard to gain trust nowadays isk means so little to so many people.
okoolos rimmer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:12:00 - [31] - Quote I believe that the op is on the level although to be honest him having run those lotteries in the past did not help. However when you ask people for isk with no collateral you give them implicit permission to ask all kinds of questions about your intentions and finances. Asking for API/audit etc is not unreasonable at all.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:26:00 - [32] - Quote okoolos rimmer wrote: I believe that the op is on the level although to be honest him having run those lotteries in the past did not help. However when you ask people for isk with no collateral you give them implicit permission to ask all kinds of questions about your intentions and finances. Asking for API/audit etc is not unreasonable at all. Did you actually read the lottery post? It was secured by SOMER, if you check the post that shows the workings out (odds & profits). I was making a loss!. This char was used to 'bump' the thread and did not purchase a large number of tickets. The numbers were locked and already chosen. The ONLY way I could have scammed the lottery was if I bought alot of tickets, giving me a higher chance to win. 1 ticket out of 200 does not qualify it to be classed as a scam. Agreed, it was something that shouldn't have been done but the true scale of the impact was hardly anything. I expected more from you okoolos rimmer, even helped you with your spreadsheet problem.
okoolos rimmer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:59:00 - [33] - Quote I see we are getting into "personal" comments so I'm done here.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 31	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:08:00 - [34] - Quote okoolos rimmer wrote: I see we are getting into "personal" comments so I'm done here. Nothing "personal" about my post. Just asked a simple question if you had 'actually' read the lottery post, as the person who brought it up didn't seem to find it that alarming. Vera Algaert wrote: You naughty person pretended to buy a ticket in your own lottery :p
okoolos rimmer Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 28	Posted - 2013.10.25 22:45:00 - [35] - Quote Ok against my better judgement I'll reply. Yes I have read that "lottery" thread. And you imply that just because you helped me out with a spreadsheet problem I should feel somehow "obliged" and change what I write here. That was the "personal" I was referring to. And no, that won't happen.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 32	Posted - 2013.11.08 15:40:00 - [36] - Quote Update: Profit: 23.4B Profit Per Day: 1.46B Estimated Total Profit: 44B I have purchased 'Shania Robertson' with the intention of trading in a different hub. Possible Amarr, I am running the numbers to see which hub is most profitable.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 38	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:04:00 - [37] - Quote Interest has been paid out flakeys - 1.3B Silent investor - 200M Both investors have decided to continue their investment and roll over for another month. Same terms, just will now finish on 24th Dec. (Maybe a day or two sooner as it is Christmas)
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1623	Posted - 2013.11.24 17:31:00 - [38] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Interest has been paid out flakeys - 1.3B Silent investor - 200M Both investors have decided to continue their investment and roll over for another month. Same terms, just will now finish on 24th Dec. (Maybe a day or two sooner as it is Christmas) Confirming reroll and interest payment , thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 39	Posted - 2013.11.28 21:06:00 - [39] - Quote Apologies I have been a bit busy. Report at end of Month #1 (24th Oct - 24th Nov) Total Profits: 42,333,162,932 (42.33B) Profit Per Day: 1,322,911,342 (1.32B) Profits are near enough how I calculated. I think this is an upper limit of profits I will reach. To exceed even more I would require more ISK capital.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 46	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:03:00 - [40] - Quote Small Update: Profits: 24,834,854,843 (24.8B) Avg Per Day: 1.079.776.298 (1.07B) Profits are a little less this month due to less play time due to IRL issues. Total profit should be around the 33B mark.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1661	Posted - 2013.12.16 12:34:00 - [41] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Small Update: Profits: 24,834,854,843 (24.8B) Avg Per Day: 1.079.776.298 (1.07B) Profits are a little less this month due to less play time due to IRL issues. Total profit should be around the 33B mark. Hope these issues are not of the terribad kind there mate . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 46	Posted - 2013.12.16 18:31:00 - [42] - Quote flakeys wrote: Wafflehead wrote: Small Update: Profits: 24,834,854,843 (24.8B) Avg Per Day: 1.079.776.298 (1.07B) Profits are a little less this month due to less play time due to IRL issues. Total profit should be around the 33B mark. Hope these issues are not of the terribad kind there mate . Nothing bad, just had a small operation and been recovering a bit (nothing major or life threatening). Thanks tho :)
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1661	Posted - 2013.12.16 19:20:00 - [43] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: flakeys wrote: Wafflehead wrote: Small Update: Profits: 24,834,854,843 (24.8B) Avg Per Day: 1.079.776.298 (1.07B) Profits are a little less this month due to less play time due to IRL issues. Total profit should be around the 33B mark. Hope these issues are not of the terribad kind there mate . Nothing bad, just had a small operation and been recovering a bit (nothing major or life threatening). Thanks tho :) KK , good luck with the recovery then. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
MailDeadDrop Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities 222	Posted - 2013.12.16 21:46:00 - [44] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: flakeys wrote: Wafflehead wrote: Small Update: Profits: 24,834,854,843 (24.8B) Avg Per Day: 1.079.776.298 (1.07B) Profits are a little less this month due to less play time due to IRL issues. Total profit should be around the 33B mark. Hope these issues are not of the terribad kind there mate . Nothing bad, just had a small operation and been recovering a bit (nothing major or life threatening). Thanks tho :) I hear that playing Eve is an agreeable way to pass the hours while healing. YMMV. :-) Also, if there's a pool on precisely what, I'll take "umbilical hernia repair" for 1M. MDD
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 62	Posted - 2013.12.24 09:23:00 - [45] - Quote Interest has been paid out flakeys - 1.3B Silent investor - 200M Both investors have decided to continue their investment and roll over for another month at the same terms. Due to finish on 24th Jan 2014. Merry Christmas All!
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1672	Posted - 2013.12.24 14:46:00 - [46] - Quote Confirming payment and rollover , thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 567	Posted - 2013.12.25 11:39:00 - [47] - Quote We'll contrary to my earlier comments this seems to be going swimmingly! Sorry Waffles! Happy Christmas and get well soon...
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 62	Posted - 2013.12.25 13:10:00 - [48] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: We'll contrary to my earlier comments this seems to be going swimmingly! Sorry Waffles! Happy Christmas and get well soon... Its OK :). Yes going quite swimmingly, flakeys has earned an easy 2.6B over 2 months. (although this is probably a spec compared to his ISK). Merry Christmas to you too!.
Uppsy Daisy Perkone Caldari State 568	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:35:00 - [49] - Quote Flakeys always gets the good ones... :-) :-)
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1684	Posted - 2013.12.26 08:00:00 - [50] - Quote Uppsy Daisy wrote: Flakeys always gets the good ones... :-) :-) IIRC he gave all his isk away to charity last time he 'left'... I heard flakeys can make isk out of thin air just thinking about it , also this one time he got the titan marketprice trippled for a year , and he does not need to pay any isksinks as he got an arrrangement with CCP.... In other words yes i gave all my isk away some years back , no i don't consider ingame frriends charity .I'm not VV , i keep ingame and out of game seperate , so charities do actually cost me cash . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 68	Posted - 2014.01.15 21:40:00 - [51] - Quote Everything going well. Into the 3rd month and sustaining profits. Estimated Profit this month so far: 38.89B Projected profit at end of month: 54.11B (? This may not be accurate but we shall see) Profit per day is around 1.6B Will update again on the 24th of Jan
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 68	Posted - 2014.01.23 11:32:00 - [52] - Quote End of the 3rd month. Profits: 49,739,868,013 (49.7B) Little bit under the projected profit of the previous post. Average Profit Per Day: 1,604,511,871 (1.6B) Interest has been paid out flakeys - 1.3B Silent investor - 200M Onto the 4th month!.
flakeys Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans 1999	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:43:00 - [53] - Quote Confirming interest received. Also confirming that i have contacted waffle to increase my size with 5 B . Additional isk has now been sent to waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 68	Posted - 2014.01.23 19:49:00 - [54] - Quote flakeys wrote: Confirming interest received. Also confirming that i have contacted waffle to increase my size with 5 B . Additional isk has now been sent to waffle . Confirmed 2014.01.23 19:41:52Player Donation5,000,000,000.00 ISK flakeys deposited cash into Wafflehead's account Thanks!
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 71	Posted - 2014.01.27 16:11:00 - [55] - Quote The other investor who wishes to remain silent/anonymous will be increasing their investment to 4B (+2B). Bond Size: 22B flakeys: 18B Silent Investor: 4B
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 73	Posted - 2014.02.22 16:46:00 - [56] - Quote End of the 4th month. (24th doing it a bit early) Profits: 54,838,001,364.99 (54B) Average Profit Per Day: 1.8B Interest has been paid out flakeys - 1.8B Silent investor - 400M
flakeys The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 2070	Posted - 2014.02.23 12:37:00 - [57] - Quote Confirming interest has been paid , thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 73	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:47:00 - [58] - Quote My silent investor would like to become known.. Philadelphia lawyer and also look to increase the investment to 10B. 6B increase. flakeys has been contacted and is happy with the additional increase. Bond now stands at: flakeys - 18B Philadelphia lawyer - 10B Same rates/terms apply.
Philadelphia lawyer Swell and Marbury Dissonant Harmonics 0	Posted - 2014.03.10 19:50:00 - [59] - Quote Confirmed to be Silent Investor. 2014.03.10 19:41:59Player Donation-6,000,000,000.00 IS[r] Philadelphia lawyer deposited cash into Wafflehead's account
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 77	Posted - 2014.03.23 14:39:00 - [60] - Quote End of another successful month!. I will post report later. Interests have been paid out. flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
Philadelphia lawyer Swell and Marbury Dissonant Harmonics 1	Posted - 2014.03.23 18:00:00 - [61] - Quote Confirmed March Payment :)
flakeys The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 2150	Posted - 2014.03.23 23:48:00 - [62] - Quote confirming payment We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 93	Posted - 2014.04.23 19:36:00 - [63] - Quote End of another successful month. Profits in the region of 50B + Payouts flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Will roll over for another month.
flakeys The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 2151	Posted - 2014.04.23 20:56:00 - [64] - Quote Confirming receipt thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Myriad Blaze Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda 224	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:30:00 - [65] - Quote Excuse me, Wafflehead, but may I ask why you continue this bond, even expanded it, when your figures show that you are actually hurting yourself that way? Or am I missing something? Here's an overview of the figures you posted: (ISK values in billions) First column is the month, second your estimated NAV = 40 Bn according to your OP for the first month and in the following months it's the old NAV plus profit minus interest paid to investors (not shown in the overview) for the month before, third the ammount of invested ISK, fourth is the sum of NAV and invested ISK = total available "play money", fifth is your profit for that month and sixth is the calculated ROI. Month - NAV - Invest - Total - Profit - ROI 11.13 - 040,0 - 15 - 055,0 - 42,3 - 76,9% 12.13 - 080,8 - 15 - 095,8 - 32,1 - 33,5% 01.14 - 111,4 - 15 - 126,4 - 49,7 - 39,3% 02.14 - 159,6 - 22 - 181,6 - 52,0 - 28,6% 03.14 - 209,4 - 28 - 237,4 - 52,2 - 22,0% 04.14 - 258,8 - 28 - 286,8 - 50,0 - 17,4% 05.14 - 306,0 - 28 - 333,0 - ? It seems the ammount of available ISK has little effect on your profit December was a special case, so those numbers are lower than to be expected. But at least starting February 2014 (when you expanded the bond from 15Bn to 22Bn) you are paying interest for invested ISK that you (apparently) don't need.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 93	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:48:00 - [66] - Quote Your comments and figures look somewhat correct to me (there has been character/asset purchases along the way) To be honest the latest increase of bond was not requested by myself, they were offered by the investors themselves looking to earn a bit more. As you said the extra ISK hasn't really had much of an impact at the moment, really due to not putting it to use. I have kept my current trading practices the same throughout the loan apart from the last month (March > April). The profits for that period were in the region of 70B I have other ventures that I am looking to get into and this bond is going to close shortly, probably at the end of this month (May payout). I owe flakeys and Philadelphia lawyer for both of them taking a risk in investing in me and for that I have been happy to continue the bond and pay something back! Hope this answers your questions.
Myriad Blaze Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda 224	Posted - 2014.04.24 09:59:00 - [67] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Your comments and figures look somewhat correct to me (there has been character/asset purchases along the way) To be honest the latest increase of bond was not requested by myself, they were offered by the investors themselves looking to earn a bit more. As you said the extra ISK hasn't really had much of an impact at the moment, really due to not putting it to use. I have kept my current trading practices the same throughout the loan apart from the last month (March > April). The profits for that period were in the region of 70B I have other ventures that I am looking to get into and this bond is going to close shortly, probably at the end of this month (May payout). I owe flakeys and Philadelphia lawyer for both of them taking a risk in investing in me and for that I have been happy to continue the bond and pay something back! Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for your answer. It doesn't answer everthing but explains something I was curious about. Btw, if your profit for March>April was in the 70B region you might want to update your post from yesterday where you state the profit for that period was "in the region of 50B+".
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 93	Posted - 2014.04.24 10:46:00 - [68] - Quote Updated, had to check the numbers to make sure it was accurate :).
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 96	Posted - 2014.05.24 19:51:00 - [69] - Quote Apologies for the delay. Successful month, profits in region of 38B Lower profits were expected, moved house and have been settling in and setting up new office space/workstation area. Had to wait for broadband to be installed and home network setup. I am going to run this for another month as I have not had time to sort out my next venture. Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
flakeys The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 2173	Posted - 2014.05.25 07:56:00 - [70] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Apologies for the delay. Successful month, profits in region of 38B Lower profits were expected, moved house and have been settling in and setting up new office space/workstation area. Had to wait for broadband to be installed and home network setup. I am going to run this for another month as I have not had time to sort out my next venture. Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Confirming payment of interesest , thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 96	Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 - [71] - Quote Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Will post profit calculation later on. Expecting lesser profits than before. Been away on a weeks holiday with the family and have been having some issues with my internet connection (packet loss caused by a faulty router). Everything seems to be all good now with that replaced. Again happy to continue this for another month as I have had hardly any time to prepare my next venture. I guess both investors will be happy with this, I will let you guys know once it comes to a close!
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2276	Posted - 2014.06.23 07:17:00 - [72] - Quote Confirming payment of interest , and close it whenever suits you best wafffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 101	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:57:00 - [73] - Quote Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B That time of month again. Profits: 63,430,130,436.72 New month :)
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2349	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:50:00 - [74] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B That time of month again. Profits: 63,430,130,436.72 New month :) Sitting with a nice glass of red whine in spain on one of my last days here , i confirm receipt of interest We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 101	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:53:00 - [75] - Quote flakeys wrote: Wafflehead wrote: Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B That time of month again. Profits: 63,430,130,436.72 New month :) Sitting with a nice glass of red whine in spain on one of my last days here , i confirm receipt of interest Oh what I would give to be in spain drinking some Sangria right now!. Enjoy the rest of your holiday :)
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 103	Posted - 2014.08.23 17:07:00 - [76] - Quote Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Profits: 36,947,090,261.68 Lower amount as had less time to play this month. Loan will finish on the 24th September. Looking to start something different :)
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2424	Posted - 2014.08.25 09:41:00 - [77] - Quote interest received as usuall , thanks waffle . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Hurricane Research 105	Posted - 2014.09.24 19:39:00 - [78] - Quote Delays on my new project so I am going to extend this for 1 last month. It will close on the 24th October. Hopefully this is ok with the investors - If not please contact me and I will sell stock to pay out. Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B
flakeys Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2442	Posted - 2014.09.25 07:46:00 - [79] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Delays on my new project so I am going to extend this for 1 last month. It will close on the 24th October. Hopefully this is ok with the investors - If not please contact me and I will sell stock to pay out. Interests paid out: flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Confirming receipt and no probs on the extension . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
InvestmentBot Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2014.10.06 10:50:00 - [80] - Quote Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind?
mynnna GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3807	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:02:00 - [81] - Quote InvestmentBot wrote: Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link. Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2503	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:43:00 - [82] - Quote mynnna wrote: InvestmentBot wrote: Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate and can be verified on zkillboard. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link. Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. I'll leave the rumourmongering and detective work up to you guys if you don't mind as the idea alone bores me to death , though i have that with a lot of things in eve these days. All i will say is 18 B invested , 19.6 B interest received so even though waffle was claimed to be a scammer from the start by most regulars this guy has kept his word and has given me more isk back then he got from me. So i'll just wait till i hear waffle's side of the story as i have more reason to trust him then the ones coming with this ''news item'' and if i don't hear from him by the end of the month then i can make a gamble on what was/is true. But thanks for your ''genuine concerns for the investors'' mynna . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2568	Posted - 2014.10.06 13:43:30 - [83] - Quote mynnna wrote: InvestmentBot wrote: Does this have any bearing on your offering, or is it all just smoke on the wind? TMC does not make a habit of posting falsehoods; the story about the POS is accurate and can be verified on zkillboard. While it could be claimed that the bit about the "alt heavily associated with A Fine Line" is speculative, a couple of the characters listed by the OP as his are or have been in the corp, including the main, which pretty well confirms the link. Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. I'll leave the rumourmongering and detective work up to you guys if you don't mind as the idea alone bores me to death , though i have that with a lot of things in eve these days. All i will say is 18 B invested , 19.6 B interest received so even though waffle was claimed to be a scammer from the start by most regulars this guy has kept his word and has given me more isk back then he got from me. So i'll just wait till i hear waffle's side of the story as i have more reason to trust him then the ones coming with this ''news item'' and if i don't hear from him by the end of the month then i can make a gamble on what was/is true. But thanks for your ''genuine concerns for the investors'' mynna . We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
RAW23 859	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:38:00 - [84] - Quote mynnna wrote: Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. I don't follow the logic of the last paragraph. How did the risk profile change, even if it is the case that the POS was connected to the guy who launched this bond? Assuming for a second that the figures given in this thread are accurate, the OP has made profits in the 100s of billions range over the course of the bond. Investing some of those profits in endeavours other than the station trading mentioned in the OP would neither change the risk level nor detract from the truthfulness of the initial bond's aim to raise isk for station trading. Indeed, the suggested link between the 28bil figure involved in this bond back over a year ago, and the very broad 25-60bil back of the napkin calculation provided by Aryth seems weak at best, as it implies the completely unsubstantiated claim that this business has been running in exactly the same way and at the same size from the beginning of the bond to Aryths discovery. The connections being drawn between the business and the bond, beyond the personnel involved, seem, then, to be almost entirely groundless. I should also note that the inference in the article here: Quote: He tracked the POS fuel team to Geras, and observed all the aforementioned points; no build stations, lots of teams, very high industry/science indices, and only one large build POS in system. This meant that every Science and Industry job in the system was being built out of that one tower. is also pretty dubious. I don't know if this was turned into a stronger claim than the one Aryth originally made by the writer of the article but the conclusion obviously doesn't follow. Since Crius it has been much less necessary to use a large POS for manufacturing since one no longer needs multiple instances of the same arrays to carry out a large production operation. I just can't see any reason, then, to assume that all the build jobs in the whole system must have been installed at this one POS simply because it was the only large POS in the system. There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
RAW23 864	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:38:28 - [85] - Quote mynnna wrote: Potential bad news for the investors, to be sure - the risk profile changed without disclosure, and for that matter the listed bond purpose may well have been fraudulent from the start, considering that bullet point talks of station trading. Hopefully he is upstanding enough to make good to his investors. I don't follow the logic of the last paragraph. How did the risk profile change, even if it is the case that the POS was connected to the guy who launched this bond? Assuming for a second that the figures given in this thread are accurate, the OP has made profits in the 100s of billions range over the course of the bond. Investing some of those profits in endeavours other than the station trading mentioned in the OP would neither change the risk level nor detract from the truthfulness of the initial bond's aim to raise isk for station trading. Indeed, the suggested link between the 28bil figure involved in this bond back over a year ago, and the very broad 25-60bil back of the napkin calculation provided by Aryth seems weak at best, as it implies the completely unsubstantiated claim that this business has been running in exactly the same way and at the same size from the beginning of the bond to Aryth's discovery. The connections being drawn between the business and the bond, beyond the personnel involved, seem, then, to be almost entirely groundless. I should also note that the inference in the article here: Quote: He tracked the POS fuel team to Geras, and observed all the aforementioned points; no build stations, lots of teams, very high industry/science indices, and only one large build POS in system. This meant that every Science and Industry job in the system was being built out of that one tower. is also pretty dubious. I don't know if this was turned into a stronger claim than the one Aryth originally made by the writer of the article but the conclusion obviously doesn't follow. Since Crius it has been much less necessary to use a large POS for manufacturing since one no longer needs multiple instances of the same arrays to carry out a large production operation. I just can't see any reason, then, to assume that all the build jobs in the whole system must have been installed at this one POS simply because it was the only large POS in the system. Edit - That stuff aside, it's a great story and it's fantastic to see some opportunities opened up for economic warfare in highsec. I remember the frustration I felt three years ago when I tracked down the 18 alts of a trader who was undercutting my industrial sell orders (being produced out of four large towers in Geras, coincidentally), scouted down his production location and set The Orphanage on his three large towers. Unfortunately, though, we were competing in a market sector (T3 subsystems) for which the build times were very short and any wardec could be responded to by simply waiting for the current builds to finish, clearing the tower out and then onlining all the hardeners to make shooting the tower a frustrating and pointless exercise. We got two of his three towers before the mercs gave up in boredom but it was a somewhat futile gesture. Worse was the fact I couldn't find anyone who was willing to gank the NPC corp alt Orca he used to haul his goods to market (this was before CODE had become a significant thing). The Crius changes wouldn't really have helped in my situation but I'm glad they are making this kind of thing more viable. _There are two types of EVE player: _ those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Retar Aveymone GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 956	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:56:00 - [86] - Quote the system was checked for other production arrays of any kind obviously, there weren't any do you think that with all the effort to take down a hardened large they'd have left a small that might also be producing live?
Retar Aveymone Evening Games Club 1021	Posted - 2014.10.06 14:56:28 - [87] - Quote the system was checked for other production arrays of any kind obviously, there weren't any do you think that with all the effort to take down a hardened large they'd have left a small that might also be producing live?
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.06 22:21:00 - [88] - Quote Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol. A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment. I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them). The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386 I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not. flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th. If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly.
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2014.10.06 22:21:17 - [89] - Quote Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol. A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment. I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them). The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386 I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not. flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th. If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2504	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:37:00 - [90] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol. A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment. I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them). The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386 I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not. flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th. If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly. Cheers mate , no rush We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2568	Posted - 2014.10.07 12:37:19 - [91] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Sorry flakeys & others only now seeing the notifcation flags I have been busy lol. A Fine Line has nothing to do with this bond, never has, never will. The risk profile has not changed. The bond will finish this month as I no longer need the investment. I like to keep my messages, mail and any other communication IN character. Yes you can search through the forums to find who owns who but thats not how I communicate. (If I wanted to hide my characters I could have just made a alt to buy them). The CEO of A Fine Line has commented on the article. http://themittani.com/news/crius-factories-and-racketeering#comment-1622412386 I appreciate the concern of others as the two investors took a gamble investing in me and it HAS paid off for them. From day one I insured that I was not looking to scam and I will not. flakeys & Philadelphia lawyer I will sending your investment back once I have liquidated enough of my stock. You will gain the interest for October but the payout will be before the 24th. If you have any questions feel free to post them or evemail me directly. Cheers mate , no rush We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.10 11:54:00 - [92] - Quote Closing Interests paid out: (taking it up to the 24 Oct) flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Investment ISK returned: flakeys 18B Philadelphia lawyer 10B Thanks again for your invesment :). Will be more offerings soonGäó
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2014.10.10 11:54:08 - [93] - Quote Closing Interests paid out: (taking it up to the 24 Oct) flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Investment ISK returned: flakeys 18B Philadelphia lawyer 10B Thanks again for your invesment :). Will be more offerings soonGäó
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2511	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:09:00 - [94] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Closing Interests paid out: (taking it up to the 24 Oct) flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Investment ISK returned: flakeys 18B Philadelphia lawyer 10B Thanks again for your invesment :). Will be more offerings soonGäó Confirming receipt , thanks waffle and gimme a shout if you decide to go for a new round. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
flakeys Arkham Innovations 2568	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:09:01 - [95] - Quote Wafflehead wrote: Closing Interests paid out: (taking it up to the 24 Oct) flakeys - 1.8B Philadelphia lawyer - 1B Investment ISK returned: flakeys 18B Philadelphia lawyer 10B Thanks again for your invesment :). Will be more offerings soonGäó Confirming receipt , thanks waffle and gimme a shout if you decide to go for a new round. We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 105	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:12:00 - [96] - Quote I certainly will do :). Thanks
Wafflehead Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 107	Posted - 2014.10.10 15:12:29 - [97] - Quote I certainly will do :). Thanks
Philadelphia lawyer Law Offices of Philly D Lawyer 2	Posted - 2014.10.11 15:48:00 - [98] - Quote Confirmed. Will work with Waffle ANYTIME....And if it is a scam....than Waffle screwed it up really bad.
Philadelphia lawyer Law Offices of Philly D Lawyer 3	Posted - 2014.10.11 15:48:17 - [99] - Quote Confirmed. Will work with Waffle ANYTIME....And if it is a scam....than Waffle screwed it up really bad.
ISD Ezwal ISD Community Communications Liaisons 2558	Posted - 2014.11.03 10:24:48 - [100] - Quote Thread locked at the OP's polite request. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

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