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algorythm
Evolution
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.11.05 00:49:00 -
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I agree, remove these unreal prices for clones, its ridiculous that I frequently have to pay more for the clone than for the ship I just lost. |
Ervi San
the muppets
RED.OverLord
0
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:10:00 -
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Supported.
This tax penalize most old players, who like to do pvp and have fun, in a game that they pay to have fun.
with +120M sp's, i need to spend most of my eve time npcing, to pay for 45M isk's for the clone + ship + fitting.
Not fun.. |
Valea Silpha
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.11.05 01:42:00 -
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I pay 20mil for my clones and while I think 20mil is fine, anything higher than that is getting into the realm of unreasonable.
I agree with the idea that the top few tiers of clone should cost less than they do (maybe 45mil for the top tier). Yes, older player can make money reasonably easily, but that's far from the point. If you've never gotten into industry, then being older doesn't actually make isk-whoring much faster. Minutes. That's the difference. And most older characters who have never touched industry are pvpers who are definitely not rich. Trust me. Once you've run your bajillionith mission or belt, you decide that having isk for the sake of it takes up far too much time.
Like I say, 20mil isn't THAT much. I definitely would never complain about how much my clones cost atm. Even double what I pay in a year or so's time is fine. But no more than that. |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe
5
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Posted - 2011.11.05 02:15:00 -
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it's a mistake to assume just because someone has alot of SP, that they can earn alot more isk, once you maxed the skills for a ship... adding more sp does nothing to that, only adds the option to do more "different" things
I am paying 30mil for a new clone each time I die (without the implants) and it sucks balls, because I love PvP, and I think its insane that a clone costs more than a hurricane hull
I would like to participate in frig gangs and destroyer gangs, even rookie ship.... cheap ship gangs, without having to worry "too much" about the cost of the clone
I do not know what a more "fair" price should be, but the current 20-30mil for people within my sp group is "Too damn high" *points upwards* 
and yes, I can afford to pay for new clones if I die :3, but it makes it less desireable to go out in "cheap ships" for the fun of it, potentially... if CCP did ballance the clone price a little, it would encourage more pvp to some degree, at least in the group of people with clone prices between 15-30mil |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 06:57:00 -
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Shin Dari wrote:Right now a pilot must upgrade every time after they die. This is very annoying, especially for the casual players.
My suggestion is to make Clone Upgrading be for a character and not for a specific clone. This means that as long as your SP is below the SP limit you will be able to die over and over, without the need to upgrade.
If CCP did this I wouldn't even object to an increase the upgrade costs.
I 100 percent support this.
The fact is these days they just arent affective as isk sinks. And it just a penalty for going out and playing EVE.
Jump clones already make the idea of a per clone upgrade silly. However a character based clone upgrade could allow up to double the cost with effective results in actually helping the economy.
Without the fear of SP loss and its cost on top of the ship I fly if I paid for the upgrade would lead to more PVP. Also I suspect more than a few have unsubbed after accidentally forgetting to upgrade after a pod loss = a month of training or more lost.
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.11.05 07:21:00 -
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Pesadel0 wrote:Quote:No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary. You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose.  How much do you pay for your clone?
I pay mine 20M, and I agree with it.
Pvp is more exciting when you have something signifiant to lose anyway. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.05 08:16:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:Quote:No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary. You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose. How much do you pay for your clone? I pay mine 20M, and I agree with it. Pvp is more exciting when you have something signifiant to lose anyway.
What about those who don't do it out of not wanting to lose 20M that day? Also it forms a convenient excuse not to go do battle and to sit and farm the system while the others battle.
With Time Dilation there is no need to discourage people from joining the fight. You ought to pay 40M for your clone and that's that.
To keep it as an isk sink tho. I think if this idea is implemented the option to "buy ahead" ought to be removed and an upgrade being something you have to do every time your SP comes up. Not something to borrow 500M and never have to deal with again.
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Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:53:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Shadowsword wrote:Pesadel0 wrote:Quote:No. The isk sink is intentional and necessary. You either have too much isk or too much SP. It's your choice which you lose. How much do you pay for your clone? I pay mine 20M, and I agree with it. Pvp is more exciting when you have something signifiant to lose anyway. What about those who don't do it out of not wanting to lose 20M that day? Also it forms a convenient excuse not to go do battle and to sit and farm the system while the others battle. With Time Dilation there is no need to discourage people from joining the fight. You ought to pay 40M for your clone and that's that. To keep it as an isk sink tho. I think if this idea is implemented the option to "buy ahead" ought to be removed and an upgrade being something you have to do every time your SP comes up. Not something to borrow 500M and never have to deal with again.
That seems reasonable. |
Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.07 05:11:00 -
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Thanks, I do try to view things on both sides when I design ideas to post. It helps when one understands proposed upcoming changes that can affect large sections of the game and make old systems useless.
Clone prices after podding served their purpose of discouraging big fights during the time before the major efforts to combat lag and desyncs. After the Winter Expansion there is few limits on how big fights can get before things get out of hand of dsync. So why discourage it any further?
Remove the option to buy ahead and of course double the price and I think this is an idea worth implementing! |
Nikolai-Dante
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:15:00 -
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As a big thank you from CCP ....all clones over 100 mill sp should be free !
After all its all the senior players that have kept this game going for over 8 years so a freec clone as a reward is not much to ask.
As for all you young petenders trolling and handing out lots of advice ......learn some respect .....coz I know ive earned it ( and paid for it ) !! |
De'Veldrin
Element 27
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.11.07 15:37:00 -
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Nikolai-Dante wrote:
As a big thank you from CCP ....all clones over 100 mill sp should be free !
After all its all the senior players that have kept this game going for over 8 years so a freec clone as a reward is not much to ask.
As for all you young petenders trolling and handing out lots of advice ......learn some respect .....coz I know ive earned it ( and paid for it ) !!
Being old doesn't mean you're worthy of respect. It means you're old.
Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Ahop Yol
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.20 22:11:00 -
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I have to agree. 45 mil for the cost of a clone is getting a little silly.
Not all older characters have the means or time to earn 10x as much isk for a clone as someone with much less sp.
Also, a 10mil sp pilot with skills trained to level 4 vs a 100mil sp pilot with skills trained to 5 does not yield a tenfold isk earning potential. If I could finish ten level 4 missions with a 200mil sp char in the time it takes a 20mil sp char to do one mission then the logic of the lowbies trolling on here would hold. I can't, and it doesnt.
I know many high sp pilots who have picked up lower sp chars just to pvp with because the cost vs effectiveness is waaaaay out of balance.
CCP already did something about this in the past. Time for another review is all. I do think it's fair to have an increasing scale, just not an exponentially increasing scale. If the scale was linear it would be balanced.
1mil per 10mil sp covered perhaps? I think that's a nice ballpark for discussion.
10ml sp char costs 1mil for a pod.
150mil sp char costs 15mil for a pod.
Come on CCP, it's time to look at this problem again, don't stitch up your loyal playerbase. |
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
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Posted - 2011.12.20 23:22:00 -
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Obsidiana wrote:Well, let's take a look at the prices: Under 92.5 Mil SP -- 20 Mil Isk Under 120 Mil SP -- 30 Mil Isk Under 156 Mil SP -- 45 Mil Isk < I estimate about 10% of players based on past figures I vaguely recall Under 203 Mil SP -- 65 Mil Isk < a number of players Under 264 Mil SP -- 90 Mil Isk < few players There are a number of people shelling out 45 to 65 million isk for clones. That does not include the loss from the ship, modules, or implants; donGÇÖt forget about buying new insurance. A frugal pilot is looking at a 100 mil isk loss pretty easily. So that loss is about 2-3 good hours of incursions, 4-5 hours of missions, or a whole lot of mining. Depending on your free time, how you make isk, what you fly, and other factors, you could be looking at a couple daysGÇÖ loss for one ship. Considering the price more than doubles before the 100 Mil SP mark and then triples, it is a bit steep. My heart goes out to the people past the 203 Mil SP mark. That one is insane. For the 92.5 Mil SP, that's one good mission or incursion. A new dictor does roughly double that cost. Prices take from the EVElopedia: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Cloning
Just buy an an alt for a few billion isk which does the small ships. Your 200 Million SP char can stay in his super. Or whatever else you spend all those last 100 Million sp for, because for sure you have not spend them on flying small ships. |
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