mmm, I couldn't find any for sale. Where did you get yours?

1. Personally i think there too small. all frigates will be able to carry one.

Since its a deploy-able it has a corp ticker and the character who deployed it attached to it. so no robbing my own allies


was so looking forward to it :P

As i've been eagerly awaiting for these lovely little guys to appear on SiSi, i tested these as soon as they were seeded

The Bads. (In my opinion)

1. There too small.
2. The m3 of the contents are displayed when mouse hovered
3. Siphon does not make it clear which moon harvester its targeting (if there's 2 Harvesters)

1. Personally i think there too small. all frigates will be able to carry one. i wouldn't mind them being pumped to to 100m3+ (200m3 is my ideal size) so you would either have to sacrifice fitting or use an exploration ship such as a heron or a probe

2. There contents are visible even outside of looking range, you take no risk and its quite easy to tell whats inside. if you were within a certain range of the unit that would seem more appropriate. at its current state you can see how much goo is inside even if your 400km away from it.

3. If there POS has 2 harvesting units, you don't know which goo your targeting nor does the siphon unit tell you. i tested this with a Neo and Mercury Setup, now because i anchored and started the Neo harvester first it stole from that one and not the mercury one. i do agree you don't have alot of time to configure one to target a specific harvester but you should have the choice.


BUGS

If you open the cargo through the selected items window on the overview it does not display the loot inside

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Also i think it would be for the greater good if the wastage factor was a variable instead of a flat 10% so it would randomly waste between 10 and 20% of its content it stole

also.

Since its a deploy-able it has a corp ticker and the character who deployed it attached to it. so no robbing my own allies


was so looking forward to it :P

And as somebody said, "alts". These units require no skills to deploy, so anyone can deploy them.

Paradox, having day 1 biomass alts deploy these things are bad.

Why? Eve is a game where there shouldn't be consequences to what you do.

I am looking at the attributes of a siphon:

http://i.imgur.com/5gsTBKo.jpg

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Second, "Restricted To Security Level Less Than" should probably be 0.5 instead of 0.4 (unless you intend them to be unusable in 0.4, I haven't tested that).
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After some discussion, we have added the requirement of Anchoring at level 2, to be able to deploy them.

I think the siphon units should be fully anonymized. The reasoning is simple, the fact that the name of the player is in the show info of the unit, encourages people to use throw away alts for the deployment. It basically serves no purpose, it only encourages you to evade any consequences by using throw away alts once again. If it wouldn't be in there, the chance would be better that people would use normal chars for the task

i know why it is there but it will have the exact opposite effect IMO. Less consequences for the involved parties.

Well, we could have all the siphon units from a character who has been biomassed being not invisible to the API anymore...

After some discussion, we have added the requirement of Anchoring at level 2, to be able to deploy them.

These are going to be disastrous for the game.
We'll make sure of that.

We're kind of known for being awesome at structure bashing.

Siphon alts.
Let's say you have 6 siphons allowed per character.
Create a new account using PLEX (currently ~600 million ISK). PLEX price per siphon is then about 100 million ISK.
Total price per siphon is then about 110 million ISK.
11 times as much as a siphon on a non-"siphon alt" would cost, but some might say this cost is still justifiable if we run out of characters who would otherwise be able to use siphons and we can't destroy them fast enough to keep up with changes.
The siphon remains after the alt account expires, and anyone can still access it as usual.

Logistically it would be extremely difficult to coordinate, I'm sure.

I do think it's possible, though.

These are going to be disastrous for the game.
We'll make sure of that.

Out of curiosity, are you able to shoot these things in Highsec without a wardec? If not, I have someone's reaction farm to visit.

Enjoy siphoning all that low sec cobalt ferrofluid, dysporite, hyperflurite, neo mercurite, promethium mercurite, prometium, thulium hafnite, and other valuable T2 reaction materials.
These changes are great, keep up the awesome CCP.

So with the added requirements on sisi, it takes over a day for a siphon to break even on dysprosium (the most expensive moon mineral).

All it takes to kill one of these is to log on an alt and use a single pos gun.

So.....it takes 0 effort to log in an alt once a day. If it's not worth siphoning dyspro (46101 isk/unit), why would anyone bother siphoning:
cadmium (6000 isk/unit)
caesium (4900 isk/unit)
chromium (4000 isk/unit
cobalt (1500 isk/unit)
hafnium (9500 isk/unit)
hydrocarbs (150 isk/unit)
mercury (6200 isk/unit)
neodymium (33000 isk/unit)
platinum (3000 isk/unit)
promethium (30444 isk/unit)
scandium (1500 isk/unit)
silicates (1100 isk/unit)
tech (9700 isk/unit)
thulium (15202 isk/unit)
titanium (3800 isk/unit)
tungsten (1330 isk/unit)
vanadium (300 isk/unit)

Siphons are dead on arrival. You may as well not bother releasing them at all in this state. Save the art assets for something else, something someone may actually use.

So with the added requirements on sisi, it takes over a day for a siphon to break even on dysprosium (the most expensive moon mineral).

why would anyone bother siphoning

Then maybe you shouldn't be trying to steal raw materials but rather reaction outputs. I'm not sure what you expected from these? It's not like you can get break even on a hulk in one day while mining ice highsec. And people still do it. While being at the keyboard as well!

The mining of raw materials just isn't that profitable these days. An r16 moon nets you like 70m for a full month and that's without factoring in the logistics involved (30k m3 in fuel, 70k m3 in materials).

If these were introduced with either larger siphoning amounts, more ehp or more storage, I don't see why anyone would bother to mine anything below an r64 (at least until prices rise enough).

Setting the price of these at a point where it isn't easy to just spam them in a whole region and see which ones make a profit makes them that more interesting to me. Some people run reaction farms in a single system with dozens of towers and only check them once a week. With the right setup this could net you quite some isk in that time. Yes, this requires some scouting and some more time. If that's too much effort, I'm not sure this unit is ever going to be any use to you.

I like what I see thus far. It might even persuade me to roll and alt and anonymously pester some of the reactor tycoons I have in my alliance.

But u can not steal reaction ccc....

The Small Mobile Siphon Unit in Rubicon can steal raw material (from Moon Harvester Arrays) and processed material (from Simple Reactor Arrays). It will prioritize raw material over processed material if both are available. It cannot steal alchemy output.

I played with them a little today.

My question is regarding scanning. I was not able to probe down the siphon after I deployed it. I was using a Buzzard with Sisters launcher/probes, but not perfect probing skills.

Was it:

1. Siphons are not scanable/probeable?
2. My skills at scanning are poor?
3. I cannot scan my own deployable?
4. (insert correct answer here)

Thanks!

They haven't had the sensor strength attributes on the deployable yet, I don't know if they are on Singularity or not yet, but they should be the next time we have an update. (SS for all 4 bands is set at 75)

Looking at the stats there really doesn't seem to be much reason to use these things outside of griefing. That's kind of sad in my opinion.

After some discussion, we have added the requirement of Anchoring at level 2, to be able to deploy them.

Is it possible to put stuff in the siphon unit? This way it would be possible to fill it up with garbage and stop it stealing.

Good to see CCP caved in to their favorite 0.0 player base crying again and made these useless. I bought 20 a few days ago to play around with in an abandoned lowsec constellation with a bunch of r16s and r32s.

2 days later 14 of them are dead, some died so quickly I could not make it 2 jumps to stop an SB soloing one. This is a system with less than 30 jumps/hr on a busy day and a bunch of alt corps with 2-3 members. All they need to do is log in and you are out of 18m/32m. Random people can also see them on dscan and drop by and steal everything.

You literally need to babysit them and empty them hour by hour if you want them to serve their purpose, which even then they still do awfully. I'm not really sure what the point of these is to be honest. They can't be bookmarked and don't open until you come within 500m (even though the activation range is listed as longer), which means POS guns have a ton of time to lock you as you uncloak and try to empty the cargo and then align (and the 50km range means you will be in range of guns). 4 siphons dropped near a POS with 2 simple reactors will steal the less valuable reaction every time; complex reactors are immune. I laugh at you if you think you can really "grief" r64s in 0.0, which are checked much more often than r16s in lowsec. I sure hope the "mobile structure future" CCP promises is better than this, but I think when they say "better living" they mean "mobile hisec POCOs for our largest subscriber base alliance".