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Soyemia
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:55:00 -
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I attacked to one miner megathorn Then he comes back with thorax. I stopped and sayed Ill pay to not kill me. He sayed "leavy system forever". I stopped fire. He killed me. So you say we pirates aren't honest. You kill us without mecy after promising things.
2006.02.03 21:47
Victim: Soyemia
Alliance: None
Corp: Lost Frontier
Destroyed: Rupture
System: Ravarin
Security: 0.4
Involved parties:
Name: majko (laid the final blow)
Security: 1.9
Alliance: None
Corp: Freelancers Inc.
Ship: Thorax
Weapon: Regulated Neutron Phase Cannon I
I lost my Rupture for that. 720mm protos in it. You cant say we aren't honest. You can't even imagine how it hit to my gaming. I am 1,5 month old and it was all my cash in it.
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Mr Jay
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Posted - 2006.02.03 21:57:00 -
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You mean they're fighting back? oO
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Soyemia
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:00:00 -
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He brougth thorax, ransomed me for leaving system so he spare me. I promised, he killed me. I had stopped all my guns.
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xeom
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:09:00 -
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And this is the reason id be quicker to accept a 1v1 from a -10 pirate then from a carebear.Most of them dont keep there word and can't stand lose.
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Haishard Kraylo
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Soyemia
He brougth thorax, ransomed me for leaving system so he spare me. I promised, he killed me. I had stopped all my guns.
I guess this means you don't have to leave the system forever.
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Stogee
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:13:00 -
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This personally isnt my opinion. But I'm wondering if the advice of Pirates and PVPers that is given to carebears would go down as well in this situation.
*clears throat*
"Don't fly what you cant afford to lose."
"Can I have your stuff?"
He was a probably a miner fed up with being ganked by pirates not keeping their word and decided to take it out on you.
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Soyemia
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:22:00 -
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So a single miner can't say taht we are low. They are them selfs too low.
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Silen Slayer
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Posted - 2006.02.03 22:33:00 -
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so your complaining because your a pirate right? and you got ransomed by your mark? .... the pirate got pirated... anyone see the irony?
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Hamatitio
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:05:00 -
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i see an honest pirate getting killed by a dishonest carebear.
Anyone else?
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Tanga Nusca
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:20:00 -
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I don't know, I mean if I were to tell someone "leave this system forever", that doesn't imply that I won't kill them. It could very well mean "leave this system forever after you limp to the station in your pod" and I just didn't feel like writing that much.
Now, if he took the cash you offered, and then killed you, that is a different issue altogether. I can't tell whether cash was actually paid for a free passage, or just offered.
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Darak Keelan
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:25:00 -
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lets see in that system i have paid a ransom twice, once i lost my ship the other time i was podded (after paying). Another person there was killed and podded when a pirate said i surrender to give time for a mate to arrive, the surrended pirate then happily, with help, killed and podded the guy he had (supposedly surrendered to), and you wonder why nothing a pirate said is believed!!!!!!!!!!
I will never pay a ransom again, my ship will be destroyed anyway so i might as well not hand over all my isk as well
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Depko
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:25:00 -
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This pirate attacked a peacefull miner. As the miner fight back and pirate noticed, he cant win., the pirate started to talk abotu randsom (randsom me).Miner wanted the pirate leaves system forever.And the miner stopped to fire at him, but after 15 secnds of talks he's armor dropped from 75% to 25%. Then the miner started to fire back as not to fire would mean to die. there was not the time for clarifieng situation, as the armor dropped too fast. after that, 2 jettisons worth of few million ISK dissapeared from the belt.
after that the agressor claims to have not shoot the jettisons, he says the sentence 'leave system forever' means randsom. and firing back in a ship threating situation is for him a bad thing not worth good pilots.
pirating doesn't mean only that you can shoot other people, it means also that other people can shoot you too. the game mechanics was created according to this logic.
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Depko
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tanga Nusca
I don't know, I mean if I were to tell someone "leave this system forever", that doesn't imply that I won't kill them. It could very well mean "leave this system forever after you limp to the station in your pod" and I just didn't feel like writing that much.
Now, if he took the cash you offered, and then killed you, that is a different issue altogether. I can't tell whether cash was actually paid for a free passage, or just offered.
the Soyemia din't give any cash or whatever.
for him 'leaving a system' is a randsom. and he believes, if he fly to gate and jump away he has 'payd' a randsom. there was no money transferred to anyone in this case.
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Depko
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Posted - 2006.02.03 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Silen Slayer
so your complaining because your a pirate right? and you got ransomed by your mark? .... the pirate got pirated... anyone see the irony?
he randsomed himself... he wanted to be randsomed, but the majko didn't ask or received any ISK. majko wanted Soyemia to leave the system. and Soyemia means 'leaving the system' means 'paying' a randsom.
i never heard about such a randsom (leaving system).
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vile56
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:08:00 -
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oh i can just see all the u are a pirate u deserve no honor. what that miner did was 100%correct because u play the game how u want.
in all honesty u should never have thought of useing a ship fitted with guns to attack a player the high slots are only for mineing lasers
but in all reality u said what most pvpers know already u cant trust a carebear.
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Tanga Nusca
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tanga Nusca on 04/02/2006 00:12:40
Originally by: Depko
there was no money transferred to anyone in this case.
No money transfered = no promise broken. Asking someone to leave the system doesn't mean that the one who is doing the asking isn't going to blow the asked one up.
If fact, it makes perfect sense to blow the asked one up.
If you ask someone nicely to leave the system forever, they will forget that a minute later. You blow up their ship, and they will remember it for a long time (possibly coming back with a yet bigger ship, but that's for another topic).
I don't think anyone has been dishonest here, but that's just me.
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Aidan Syn
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:24:00 -
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Basically what we have here is a 'pirate' not skilled enough to fight anything that does not have its hi-slots filled with mining lasers. The 'pirate' thought for some reason he deserved some mercy from the miner he had attacked, at which point the 'pirate' offered to pay a ransom. Too bad, so sad for you mister 'pirate'.
Oh, and for the future: don't fly anything you can't afford to loose, and certainly don't go 'pirating' in that same ship either. But I guess you know that now, eh? 
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The Hanz
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:25:00 -
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Don't worry, once I jumped a brutix and a rax, their friend got ****ed and challenged my rax to a duel, he had a megathron.
My rax won.
Later he challenged me again, rax to rax.....at the last second I changed the location cause I caught him using the word "we" and when he arrived I killed him fast enough that when his buddy in a deimos arrived I got the hell out.
Later I was in a rax and my buddy in a rupture.....we they found us and they had 1 crow, 1 ferox, 1 thorax, and 1 caracal.....we win.
Goes to show you can never trust the wussy carebears.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.02.04 00:48:00 -
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let me get this straight.
Miner is going along solo mining in .4, in a megathron.
would-be pirate Soyemia comes along, in a rupture, and attacks the solo mining megathron.
megathron gets away, and comes back with a thorax, and returns fire on the would-be pirate, then ransoms them(essentially)
so you then stop shooting, ... but did you say anything? did you say "I give, you win, I'll leave!" or something... ?
honestly I don't see the problem from the described situation. in fact it sounds funny as hell.
IMO, you(the would-be pirate) were lucky, you got a chance to run away. he SHOULD have been able to have fitted a webber, warp scrambler and like 3 flights of medium drones. were you using WCS? now maybe I'm underestimateing cruiser offensive power, but I'd reckon even just sitting there and not shooting, a BS with medium drones could "tough it out" til the drones ate the webbed cruiser alive...
you agressed, and bit off more than you could chew, when you were ALREADY overextended(in a ship you couldn't afford to lose) its entirely your own fault. the miner did nothing wrong, except give you a chance to get away, by switching ships and not allowing his drones to eat you initially.
at least thats my opinion.
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Graven Threndor
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Posted - 2006.02.04 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
i see an honest pirate getting killed by a dishonest carebear.
Anyone else?
Um... if the miner fought back (and won), how can you consider him to be a "carebear"?
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Graven Threndor
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Posted - 2006.02.04 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: The Hanz
Don't worry, once I jumped a brutix and a rax, their friend got ****ed and challenged my rax to a duel, he had a megathron.
My rax won.
Later he challenged me again, rax to rax.....at the last second I changed the location cause I caught him using the word "we" and when he arrived I killed him fast enough that when his buddy in a deimos arrived I got the hell out.
Later I was in a rax and my buddy in a rupture.....we they found us and they had 1 crow, 1 ferox, 1 thorax, and 1 caracal.....we win.
Goes to show you can never trust the wussy carebears.
How is this guy a carebear, exactly? He's challenging you (and it looks like trying to sucker you). He's being aggressive (and a bit dishonorable). That sounds more killer than carebear.
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vile56
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Posted - 2006.02.04 02:38:00 -
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hmm all carebears and alts see no honor missing yet they ***** when we pod em
waaaaaaaaaaaaa
waaaaaaaaaaaaa
^^see i can make no sense off of this either please continue to look nub
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Cvuos
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Posted - 2006.02.04 03:06:00 -
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0.4 is dangerous man, you shouldn't go there if you can't defend yourself.
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.02.04 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Soyemia
I lost my Rupture for that. 720mm protos in it. You cant say we aren't honest. You can't even imagine how it hit to my gaming. I am 1,5 month old and it was all my cash in it.
Honor issues aside (perhaps you could post the chatlogs, if you want more informed opinions on this subject), a pirate lamenting the loss of his ship is somewhat... distateful.
The fact that it "hit your gaming" so much shows in great detail that the thought of losing your ship never occurred to you. Yet you go pirating?
Again: without the chatlogs, I cannot judge whether or not there is an honor issue here... but the fact that your intention was to engage in a fight while flying a ship you cannot afford, which seems to be the core of your problem right now, is entirely and squarely upon your shoulders mate.
Better luck, and better thinking, next time.
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus Shade on 04/02/2006 07:39:55
Edited by: Terminus Shade on 04/02/2006 07:37:39
I thought I told you last evening already to not-to start rambling in local chat, or the forums if something goes wrong..(also I thought I said not to hunt in that goddamned hi-sec surrounded system..........)
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MercedesBenz
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Aidan Syn
Basically what we have here is a 'pirate' not skilled enough to fight anything that does not have its hi-slots filled with mining lasers. The 'pirate' thought for some reason he deserved some mercy from the miner he had attacked, at which point the 'pirate' offered to pay a ransom. Too bad, so sad for you mister 'pirate'.
Oh, and for the future: don't fly anything you can't afford to loose, and certainly don't go 'pirating' in that same ship either. But I guess you know that now, eh?
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.02.04 07:51:00 -
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Pirate got killed by someone he tried to kill.... And cries about it. Didnt pay a ransom or anything, just thought he could get away. And didnt.
Sorry, no sympathy from me.
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The Hanz
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Posted - 2006.02.04 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Graven Threndor
Originally by: The Hanz
Don't worry, once I jumped a brutix and a rax, their friend got ****ed and challenged my rax to a duel, he had a megathron.
My rax won.
Later he challenged me again, rax to rax.....at the last second I changed the location cause I caught him using the word "we" and when he arrived I killed him fast enough that when his buddy in a deimos arrived I got the hell out.
Later I was in a rax and my buddy in a rupture.....we they found us and they had 1 crow, 1 ferox, 1 thorax, and 1 caracal.....we win.
Goes to show you can never trust the wussy carebears.
How is this guy a carebear, exactly? He's challenging you (and it looks like trying to sucker you). He's being aggressive (and a bit dishonorable). That sounds more killer than carebear.
Any carebear will shoot back if they feel the odds are in their favor, and will almost always be dishonest and smacktalk.
Doesn't mean they're not a carebear, and I find the most trustworthy people in the game are criminals, cause they are the paranoid ones.
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Kery Nysell
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Posted - 2006.02.04 11:11:00 -
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Jesus.
So a pirate-wannabee gets spanked by his mark, comes here to cry a river about it, and then has the gall to generalize "all carebears are dishonest" ...
Piracy is a riksy business.
Victims are allowed to defend themselves.
Generalization is bad.
Heck, I have quite a few issues with some pirates (who podded me after I paid a ransom), and I can get pretty dense and stubborn about it, but I won't ever say that all pirates are steaming piles of horse dung like the two that didn't keep their words with me ...
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Stoofer Drew
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:09:00 -
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You attacked him first right?
Got what you deserved mate, don't like it, don't do it.
Silly boy 
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wired2kill
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Posted - 2006.02.04 12:27:00 -
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if i was the miner in that situation, i would have asked u to stay outta the system forever.....then blown u up, and give ya a first class ticket back to HQ by podding ya... (1 way of gettin u to leave the system)
but thats just me...
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Silen Slayer
so your complaining because your a pirate right? and you got ransomed by your mark? .... the pirate got pirated... anyone see the irony?
No, I see your lack of reading comprehension.
You completely missed the point.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2006.02.04 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hamatitio
i see an honest pirate getting killed by a dishonest carebear.
Anyone else?
Me too.
Ya see its the Crap lot of 8 year old mummy-bought-you-an-account-for-your-birthday players who ruin it for the rest of the normal honest pirates.
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Nagal
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Posted - 2006.02.04 16:03:00 -
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The whole point I see here is that some people are honest and dishonest. It has nothing to do with whether your a pirate, carebear scum, or a PvPer. Its all about your personality and mood. Personally I've never killed after a ransom (my one and only ransom -_-) but I wish I had because the b***h owed my 25$ USD in real life and was refusing to pay it. Popping his BC and ransoming his pod was the best feeling in the world.
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Valea Silpha
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Posted - 2006.02.04 16:22:00 -
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As far as we know the guy you went for was a law abiding citizen, and was under attack. I think its reasonable to defend his mining op by sending you home in a pod.
Im sure you wouldn't have had any problem blowing up his ship, so don't complain when he destroys yours.
Honor and honesty are all pretty much dependant on your point of view. In many peoples opinion its dishonerable to be a pirate at all, and so lying to one isn't a problem.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2006.02.04 16:51:00 -
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Honourable or not, it works both ways, pirate or non pirate, doesnt mean all of that type can be branded due to 1 mans actions, its very much a person to person thing.
Some keep their word.
Some dont.
Its up to the opposing invididual to find out which their opponent is, this is where a corp/pilots reputation usually kicks in.
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Sapha
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Posted - 2006.02.04 17:23:00 -
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/me clears throat
HAHAHAHA - sorry thats funny.
Stop whining about someone lieing to you or not keeping his word. Let me spell it out for you...YOU ARE A PIRATE, you take what is not yours! You ransom isk from people for their ships! When people kill you...its because YOU ARE A PIRATE, train more skills buy a new ship and take your revenge, just like every carebear swears to do after they are poded for the first time.
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majko
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Posted - 2006.02.04 17:38:00 -
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I was ready to negotiate with soyemia and stopped my fire. but in about 10 - 15 seconds my armor dropped from 75% to about 25%. i had to restart my armor repairer and kill him faster than he could kill me during the negotiations.
i noticed that my 2 jettisons dissapeared, but soyemia claims not shooting them. can anybody explain what else could happen to them ?
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majko
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Posted - 2006.02.04 17:57:00 -
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Soyemia attacked me today again and got podkilled few minutes later.
may be you can expect another post from Soyemia, because he managet to say ' do not pod kill me' shortly before ...
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Graven Threndor
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Posted - 2006.02.04 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: The Hanz
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Any pirate will shoot back if they feel the odds are in their favor, and will almost always be dishonest and smacktalk.
Doesn't mean they're not a pirate, and I find the most trustworthy people in the game are carebears, cause they are the paranoid ones.
It think this version of your statement makes FAR more sense.
You think a pirate would attack if the odds weren't in their favor? You think pirates never smack-talk? You think carebears aren't paranoid? You must be from the bizzarro EVE universe. 
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Serin Nadiir
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:59:00 -
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You know, despite all the usual pirate/carebear flames, there is an undercurrent of tolerance in this thread. People from both sides recognizing that honesty works on a person by person basis rather than a generalization of one's proffession. It's nice to see.
To the OP... why do I care that you got blown up? Even if things happened like you said and your target was dishonest, who's gonna be in that position ever again? It's a fair assumption that that particular person will never be 'ransomming' another pirate. So who cares?
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Det Macguire
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Posted - 2006.02.05 02:26:00 -
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Awww.. Poor Soyemia.. Lost his ship..
Would you like me to call you the WHAAAAAAAAAAAAmbulance?
Pirates are scum.. Kill them all..
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.02.05 02:36:00 -
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It's beautiful. The carebears and anti-pirates, even on this thread, continually whine about pirates blowing up everyone else even after the ransom. How that is "dishonorable" and that being one of the major reasons why they never pay a ransom.
But then a miner warps back in a combat ship, negotiates a leave of system, and then pops the pirate... that's okay? The carebears and antipirates support that act of dishonesty?
Pot, meet the kettle.
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The Hanz
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Posted - 2006.02.05 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Graven Threndor
Originally by: The Hanz
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Any pirate will shoot back if they feel the odds are in their favor, and will almost always be dishonest and smacktalk.
Doesn't mean they're not a pirate, and I find the most trustworthy people in the game are carebears, cause they are the paranoid ones.
It think this version of your statement makes FAR more sense.
You think a pirate would attack if the odds weren't in their favor? You think pirates never smack-talk? You think carebears aren't paranoid? You must be from the bizzarro EVE universe.
I've gone gone up against 2 on 6 and 1 on 6, when severely outnumbered by bigger ships and win.
It happens, and I'm generally outnumbred most the time so you learn to deal with it. 
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Caldari Citizen 5236
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Posted - 2006.02.05 03:15:00 -
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Quote:
I lost my Rupture for that. 720mm protos in it. You cant say we aren't honest. You can't even imagine how it hit to my gaming. I am 1,5 month old and it was all my cash in it.
Uhm, you are asking for sympathy 'cause your ship got blown up after you tried to blow someone else's ship up?
Still, if you guys agreed on something, it's pretty low if he broke that agreement, no matter if it's a pirate or carebear.
Don't understand why Majko wanted you to leave the system forever though. Every system needs it's friendly neighbourhood pirate to make the game interesting.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.02.05 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
It's beautiful. The carebears and anti-pirates, even on this thread, continually whine about pirates blowing up everyone else even after the ransom. How that is "dishonorable" and that being one of the major reasons why they never pay a ransom.
But then a miner warps back in a combat ship, negotiates a leave of system, and then pops the pirate... that's okay? The carebears and antipirates support that act of dishonesty?
Pot, meet the kettle.
and then theres the part where the would-be pirate never says he actually did agree to the 'ransom" and was leaving,
and the part where the person who was initially attacked by said pirate, at least by their "testimony" was attacked again after ceasing fire....
the miner did nothing wrong, as far as has been shown here. if anything it sounds like the would be pirate is the one that broke the so called deal.
but really ,theres no place for the would be pirate to complain. they started it. if they can't finish it, then thats their own problem. a carebear miner whining aboug getting blown up... at least they didn't start it!
its funny when the bully gets beaten up by their victim, and deserved.
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Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand
And Eternity in an hour
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Gallenlicious
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Posted - 2006.02.05 04:47:00 -
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Those lying stinking miners. Never trust a miner!
BWAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA!
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Dak Hakin
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Posted - 2006.02.05 05:00:00 -
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I must have missed the part where a deal was actually negotiated and agreed upon... I also dont see where the miner said he wouldnt kill anyone...
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Oiri Yusko
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Posted - 2006.02.05 05:08:00 -
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This thread was a flame magnet from the first post. Wierd how I never saw it. Oh well...
*click*
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