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Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:27:00 -
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I've only been running Incursions for about two months. So I have little objective knowledge of "how things used to be". But from what little exposure I've had to inter-community politics and the infantile temper tantrums resulting from lost in-site contests, the current state of Incursions appears to me to be #BROKEN#.
In recent weeks, one or two shield Incursion communities have taken it upon themselves (for whatever reason) to ruin the gameplay for all Incursion runners by killing the Mothership as soon as it appears, lately within 12-16 hours of the Incursion first spawning, rather than leaving it up for a few days so players can get a chance to run HQ, Assault and Vanguard sites without having to travel 30+ jumps every day to get to the next spawn.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of those who claim "Eve is a sandbox! Wah, wah, wah!" whenever somebody complains about a broken game mechanic, I'd like to make a suggestion to fix the problem:
Since the primary motivation of the above referenced shield communities for popping the mom appears to be to grief the entire Incursions community as punishment for perceived offenses committed by one or more armor communities, I suggest changing the spawn mechanic to remove the detrimental effect to the entire Incursions community. This can be done by re-spawning another Incursion in the same location as the one just killed if the mom is popped less than seven days after appearing. Over-farming of the mom site can be prevented by removing the reward for completing the site if it is run within a week of the mothership's appearance. It doesn't need to be a week, just a reasonable length of time to discourage childish temper tantrums which diminish the enjoyment of the game for the greater community.
Waiting expectantly for the rants of the griefers whose entire reason for playing is to think of ways to make as many people as possible angry. :3 |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3507
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Posted - 2013.10.26 04:31:00 -
[2] - Quote
What's the problem here?
Some guys just seem to be more efficient than others. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1514
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Posted - 2013.10.26 12:45:00 -
[3] - Quote
hahahahahaha
abloobloobloobloo
never gonna happen
this made my morning. your salty incursion tears have fueled me for an entire day
i need a cigarette after that Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1492
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:11:00 -
[4] - Quote
So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see. |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2030
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:19:00 -
[5] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see.
Yeah pretty much this.
Sympathy level = 0. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

admiral root
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
619
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:57:00 -
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I heard a rumour that the direct application of sufficent DPS will stop anyone from shooting NPCs. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:15:00 -
[7] - Quote
Didn't expect sympathy. Did expect ridicule. Just documenting (again) that douchebaggery is rampant and encouraged in this game. |

oOReikaOo Michiko
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
173
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:21:00 -
[8] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:Didn't expect sympathy. Just documenting (again) that douchebaggery is encouraged in this game.
This is where the correct application of "Yea this is EVE!" is permitted |

Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
433
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:03:00 -
[9] - Quote
Nerf shields, that will show them !! |

Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
1843
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:58:00 -
[10] - Quote
Counter-proposal:
Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early. |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.27 15:44:00 -
[11] - Quote
Danika Princip wrote: Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early.
Destruction of the mothership does not increase or reduce risk to the fleets while running incursion sites. It simply ends the incursion. Those of us who want to participate in incursions and do not have the means of assembling a fleet capable of running the Kundalini Manifest site are cut off from running the lower tiered sites due to the almost immediate destruction of the mothership as soon as it appears. My complaint is not that fleets capable of killing the mom are killing the mom. That's the purpose of the site.
I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests.
While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal. |

Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
1520
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Posted - 2013.10.27 15:50:00 -
[12] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests. What if they just legitimately want to rid highsec of the Sansha menace as fast as possible? |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:26:00 -
[13] - Quote
Abdiel Kavash wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests. What if they just legitimately want to rid highsec of the Sansha menace as fast as possible? If true, that would be very heroic of them. I would arrange a ticker tape parade in their honor. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3536
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:34:00 -
[14] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal. Soooooo... war dec them? Or hire gankers/spies to take them out? Rather than be passive aggressive and ask for mechanical changes to the game... why not actually retaliate directly (or semi-directly) until they stop? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
347
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:31:00 -
[15] - Quote
I really don't see why you are posting here about this.
The scorched earth policy being used is not the result of any CCP created mechanic but is the result of player actions and does not appear in any way to violate the EULA. If anything (I admit from an outsiders point of view) its refreshing to see something besides ISK farming happening in the Incursion community. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1529
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:29:00 -
[16] - Quote
Samillian wrote:I really don't see why you are posting here about this.
The scorched earth policy being used is not the result of any CCP created mechanic but is the result of player actions and does not appear in any way to violate the EULA. If anything (I admit from an outsiders point of view) its refreshing to see something besides ISK farming happening in the Incursion community.
Nailed it. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2041
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:55:00 -
[17] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:Danika Princip wrote: Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early.
Destruction of the mothership does not increase or reduce risk to the fleets while running incursion sites. It simply ends the incursion. Those of us who want to participate in incursions and do not have the means of assembling a fleet capable of running the Kundalini Manifest site are cut off from running the lower tiered sites due to the almost immediate destruction of the mothership as soon as it appears. My complaint is not that fleets capable of killing the mom are killing the mom. That's the purpose of the site. I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests. While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal.
You know what it sounds like to me, from your description here?
It sounds like you engaged in some PvP - perhaps indirectly, but PvP nevertheless - with the shield fleets by contesting a site they were going for, thus harming their wallets. Now they're striking back - namely, by shutting off your farming ability as quickly as possible - and you're whining that they're being unfair.
Basically, it sounds like you're no better than a typical schoolyard bully. You pick on the other kid until he lashes back, then you run to the teacher. Only difference is that this is EVE, not the schoolyard, so there's no bull**** zero tolerance policies that get the other kid expelled for protecting himself. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:32:00 -
[18] - Quote
I would recommend that if you do not like the fact that someone is intentionally shutting off the incursion early, that you mount your finest battlesteeds and engage them in hounourable Player vs. Player combat.
If you're unwilling to do this to protect your money making schemes, I'm afraid Eve is gonna be a pretty unfriendly place for you, especially in the next 6-36 months. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12150
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:35:00 -
[19] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see. Yeah pretty much this. Sympathy level = 0.
We may need a number smaller than 0 here.
Get some of our top men on this.
1 Kings 12:11
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Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:18:00 -
[20] - Quote
In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. |

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
3540
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:36:00 -
[21] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Which one? Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:47:00 -
[22] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Which one? Which one what? |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2042
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:33:00 -
[23] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood.
Yes, a forum where people recognize and point out that you're suffering consequences for your own actions was probably the wrong place to expect sympathy from. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:14:00 -
[24] - Quote
mynnna wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Yes, a forum where people recognize and point out that you're suffering consequences for your own actions was probably the wrong place to expect sympathy from. (sigh) Is it a requirement for you to be an insufferable f***ing d***head whenever you respond to people with whom you disagree? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12175
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:11:00 -
[25] - Quote
It's an extra service he provides for free.
1 Kings 12:11
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mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2055
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:13:00 -
[26] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:It's an extra service he provides for free.
You've been a pretty good teacher when it comes to honing my technique though.  Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
12190
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:23:00 -
[27] - Quote
It's a service I provide for free.
1 Kings 12:11
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1058
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:49:00 -
[28] - Quote
I don't understand people attacking the Sansha ships in incursions.
The capsuleer ships drop more and better loot, and have worse AI.
Sure you need to get into their corporation first, or wardec them and hope they ignore you, but that is a small price to pay. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
891
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:16:00 -
[29] - Quote
Now I'm not an incursion runner, so I don't have much experience with them, but isn't the point of an incursion to defeat the Mothership????
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
768
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:48:00 -
[30] - Quote
I'm kind of confused....All this incursion running groups and complaining about motherships and stuff just reminds me of old everquest mob camps.
I mean, we're playing EVE. If the "other team" is doing something so profoundly annoying....go shoot them! Get some awoxing going, corptheftery, suicide gank...hell, suicide ECM at the right time on logi. The last thing you should be doing is crying like a themeparker experiencing "unfairness".
If they pop the mothership too quickly for you, then go pop them before they can kill the mothership. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Pirate Nation.
138
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Posted - 2013.10.30 13:23:00 -
[31] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:mynnna wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Yes, a forum where people recognize and point out that you're suffering consequences for your own actions was probably the wrong place to expect sympathy from. (sigh) Is it a requirement for you to be an insufferable f***ing d***head whenever you respond to people with whom you disagree?
I have criticised them for it, but in truth, I can't really fault them in this thread, because mynna's first and second post was not really that unpleasent. Though it could be that I actually agree with them, so the biting wit has less of an impact. Seriously, I think the frustration you have is that you can see no way to get back at the people doing this, as they are spread out in diffeent corps and NPC's corps you cannot war dec them, nor can you suicide gank them because that takes a certain amount of organising of like minded people and they don't really exist in your community, but you could impact some of them and chose not to, why not at least target some of what you feel are their leaders, speak to fellow pilots upset with it and get something going..
Their objective could be to reduce the number of people running Incursions and it is effective, or it could be that certain people want Incursion runners in bling fitted ships warping gate to gate, so yes it is PvP and if you wantg to gather that ISK you will have to harden up and resist, rather than call for a change in the mechanics. If you do not want LOCAL go to WH space,-áand those people who think that WH space is like 0.0 but without local,-álight a cyno and try jumping to it.-á-á There is a structural issue with Eve, based on accounts with no link, vast reserves of ISK-áand plex, which makes it too easy to metagame the destruction of small alliances. |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2772
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:29:00 -
[32] - Quote
Potential solution:
Add Sansha Sites to go kill concord NPC's or Faction NPC's.
Run site, get sansha LP, increase blue bar. If blue bar is increased enough, have mom despawn....
*edit* There really ought to be some drawbacks or conflict available here: You only collect LP if the Sansha is NOT defeated, You lose standings with the Faction NPC's for helping out Sanshas.... Maybe running these sites while the mom is being attacked spawns new bomber waves at the mom site (for those who don't know, a bomber wave deals ~50k alpha and is responsible for most ship deaths in a mom site). |

Marexlovox
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.10.31 07:23:00 -
[33] - Quote
I think Incursion should be strictly low/null, and just rebuff missions.  |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2775
|
Posted - 2013.10.31 21:10:00 -
[34] - Quote
Marexlovox wrote:I think Incursion should be strictly low/null, and just rebuff missions. 
To be honest, I disagree with this sentiment.
I believe Highsec incursions are overwhelmingly positive for EvE in general. They are difficult enough to require teamwork, and operate in a manner where even more risk-adverse members of EvE community will participate. In other words, they are one of the few highsec activities that actually brings players together. This is important for forming contacts, friendships, and more. Believe it or not, forming these bonds, joining into a community, is one of the largest factors that govern player retention. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
439
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Posted - 2013.11.02 13:05:00 -
[35] - Quote
I'm not so sure about that, from what I see it seems to have spawned a large group of massively wealthy, incredibly overentitled fuckheads who whine shrilly and unendingly whenever anyone else 'dares' to touch what they think is theirs by right. Its like everything bad about highsec has been distilled into one group.
Yes people will shoot incursion motherships, in case you forgot thats what theyre ******* there for. What they are not there for is for you to sit on like Elvis on his throne farming more piles of isk to horde or spend on pointless bling. *Youve already been told what works against the tactics you described and the things you claim are stopping you are only stopping you because you cant be bothered to make the effort to address them.
*by you i mean the OP and his ilk*
(Insert clip of willy wonkas YOU GET NOTHING scene here) Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.11.03 23:49:00 -
[36] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:I'm not so sure about that, from what I see it seems to have spawned a large group of massively wealthy, incredibly overentitled fuckheads who whine shrilly and unendingly whenever anyone else 'dares' to touch what they think is theirs by right. Its like everything bad about highsec has been distilled into one group.
Yes people will shoot incursion motherships, in case you forgot thats what theyre ******* there for. What they are not there for is for you to sit on like Elvis on his throne farming more piles of isk to horde or spend on pointless bling. *Youve already been told what works against the tactics you described and the things you claim are stopping you are only stopping you because you cant be bothered to make the effort to address them.
*by you i mean the OP and his ilk*
(Insert clip of willy wonkas YOU GET NOTHING scene here) Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug. |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
908
|
Posted - 2013.11.04 15:47:00 -
[37] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait...
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 02:52:00 -
[38] - Quote
Jint Hikaru wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait... Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played. |

AnJuan Jackson
Disingenuous Assertions
54
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Posted - 2013.11.05 03:00:00 -
[39] - Quote
EVE Online is about competition.
They make ISK, they deny you easy ISK.
Which also stops inflation.
Works as intended. |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
908
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 08:59:00 -
[40] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait... Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played.
Wait, someone else killed the mothership in an incursion, exactly what you are supposed to do with an incursion (its like the end of level boss), and now you are 'the victim'????
Get over yourself. |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
353
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Posted - 2013.11.05 11:17:00 -
[41] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait... Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played.
You are only a victim because you insist on being one, that is obvious from your attitude throughout this thread.
Have you actually done anything to modify your situation beside wringing your hands and crying for outside intervention? |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.11.05 13:04:00 -
[42] - Quote
Samillian wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait... Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played. You are only a victim because you insist on being one, that is obvious from your attitude throughout this thread. Have you actually done anything to modify your situation beside wringing your hands and crying for outside intervention? Yes, yes I have. But the entertainment value of stringing along you holier-than-thous for your anti-carebear self-righteous indignation is too priceless to just shut up and let it end. Do continue. :) |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1604
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 14:18:00 -
[43] - Quote
Y'all been puppet-mastered. |

Samillian
Angry Mustellid
353
|
Posted - 2013.11.05 15:11:00 -
[44] - Quote
Ah so now we go from needy self entitlement to "I'm trolling you really......honest".
I wonder if that would still be the case if you had found a sympathetic ear.
Ah well 0/10 for a sad attempt to spin your way out of the hole you dug. |

Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.11.05 15:38:00 -
[45] - Quote
Samillian wrote:Ah so now we go from needy self entitlement to "I'm trolling you really......honest".
I wonder if that would still be the case if you had found a sympathetic ear.
Ah well 0/10 for a sad attempt to spin your way out of the hole you dug. You are correct. If I had received a sympathetic ear, I would have had no expectation to snicker at the overabundance of mean-spirited twats in this game who, rather than politely tell a carebear that his complaint is invalid, would rather take advantage of the anonymity of the internet to behave like insufferably juvenile douchebags. Again, thanks for the entertaining display of the dark side of human nature. I'm happy to return the favor by "whining" about it. Truly, a symbiotic relationship. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2559
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Posted - 2013.11.06 07:37:00 -
[46] - Quote
+1 |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
441
|
Posted - 2013.11.10 08:57:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mortis Aguila wrote:Samillian wrote:Ah so now we go from needy self entitlement to "I'm trolling you really......honest".
I wonder if that would still be the case if you had found a sympathetic ear.
Ah well 0/10 for a sad attempt to spin your way out of the hole you dug. You are correct. If I had received a sympathetic ear, I would have had no expectation to snicker at the overabundance of mean-spirited twats in this game who, rather than politely tell a carebear that his complaint is invalid, instead exploit the anonymity of the internet to behave like insufferably juvenile douchebags. Again, thanks for the entertaining display of the dark side of human nature. I'm happy to return the favor by "whining" about it. Truly, a symbiotic relationship.
The problem with that is that we tried being nice, all it got us was more bitching and willful ignorance. Why should we make the effort when the people we're trying to advise seem to celebrate being stupid and doing things wrong. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:22:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played.
Maybe you could lose the victim complex and actually put the insane amounts of ISK you gain from risk-free farming to use and figure out a way to make it more difficult for these competing groups who work within the limits of EVE's game mechanics to kill the mothership?
Your ridiculous proposal means that nullsec groups that run incursions with the intent of closing them immediately after the mothership spawns - because nullsec incursions actually cripple a constellation - would not have the means to do so, and would be burdened with an incursion spawning again because of another change made to protect a group of players that don't even pay CCP for their subscriptions directly.
There are legitimate reasons to end an incursion early. You are not entitled to farm a single incursion for over a week because you consider your gameplay more important than that of others. Twitter: @EVEAndski
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Beaver Retriever
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
159
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:22:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote: Wow. Somebody is in desperate need of a hug.
I'd say the OP is the one in need of the Hug.... Oh wait... Way to jump on the "blame the victim" bandwagon. Well played. You are not, in any way, shape, or form, a victim.
If you think that someone else running incursions properly and depriving you of freely farming them of ISK instead of completing them makes you a victim, you really should go play World of Warcraft instead. I hear the instances there bar other people from interfering with your gameplay. |

Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2123
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Posted - 2013.11.16 14:24:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests.
It sounds to me, like those individuals are doing gods work.
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