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Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:27:00 -
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I've only been running Incursions for about two months. So I have little objective knowledge of "how things used to be". But from what little exposure I've had to inter-community politics and the infantile temper tantrums resulting from lost in-site contests, the current state of Incursions appears to me to be #BROKEN#.
In recent weeks, one or two shield Incursion communities have taken it upon themselves (for whatever reason) to ruin the gameplay for all Incursion runners by killing the Mothership as soon as it appears, lately within 12-16 hours of the Incursion first spawning, rather than leaving it up for a few days so players can get a chance to run HQ, Assault and Vanguard sites without having to travel 30+ jumps every day to get to the next spawn.
At the risk of incurring the wrath of those who claim "Eve is a sandbox! Wah, wah, wah!" whenever somebody complains about a broken game mechanic, I'd like to make a suggestion to fix the problem:
Since the primary motivation of the above referenced shield communities for popping the mom appears to be to grief the entire Incursions community as punishment for perceived offenses committed by one or more armor communities, I suggest changing the spawn mechanic to remove the detrimental effect to the entire Incursions community. This can be done by re-spawning another Incursion in the same location as the one just killed if the mom is popped less than seven days after appearing. Over-farming of the mom site can be prevented by removing the reward for completing the site if it is run within a week of the mothership's appearance. It doesn't need to be a week, just a reasonable length of time to discourage childish temper tantrums which diminish the enjoyment of the game for the greater community.
Waiting expectantly for the rants of the griefers whose entire reason for playing is to think of ways to make as many people as possible angry. :3 |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3507
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Posted - 2013.10.26 04:31:00 -
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What's the problem here?
Some guys just seem to be more efficient than others.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1514
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Posted - 2013.10.26 12:45:00 -
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hahahahahaha
abloobloobloobloo
never gonna happen
this made my morning. your salty incursion tears have fueled me for an entire day
i need a cigarette after that
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1492
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:11:00 -
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So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2030
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:19:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see.
Yeah pretty much this.
Sympathy level = 0.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
619
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:57:00 -
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I heard a rumour that the direct application of sufficent DPS will stop anyone from shooting NPCs.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:15:00 -
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Didn't expect sympathy. Did expect ridicule. Just documenting (again) that douchebaggery is rampant and encouraged in this game. |
oOReikaOo Michiko
Koshaku
Gentlemen's Agreement
173
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:21:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:Didn't expect sympathy. Just documenting (again) that douchebaggery is encouraged in this game.
This is where the correct application of "Yea this is EVE!" is permitted |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
433
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Posted - 2013.10.26 23:03:00 -
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Nerf shields, that will show them !! |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
1843
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:58:00 -
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Counter-proposal:
Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early. |
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Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.27 15:44:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:
Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early.
Destruction of the mothership does not increase or reduce risk to the fleets while running incursion sites. It simply ends the incursion. Those of us who want to participate in incursions and do not have the means of assembling a fleet capable of running the Kundalini Manifest site are cut off from running the lower tiered sites due to the almost immediate destruction of the mothership as soon as it appears. My complaint is not that fleets capable of killing the mom are killing the mom. That's the purpose of the site.
I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests.
While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1520
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Posted - 2013.10.27 15:50:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests.
What if they just legitimately want to rid highsec of the Sansha menace as fast as possible? |
Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:26:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests. What if they just legitimately want to rid highsec of the Sansha menace as fast as possible?
If true, that would be very heroic of them. I would arrange a ticker tape parade in their honor. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3536
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:34:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal.
Soooooo... war dec them? Or hire gankers/spies to take them out? Rather than be passive aggressive and ask for mechanical changes to the game... why not actually retaliate directly (or semi-directly) until they stop?
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
347
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Posted - 2013.10.27 23:31:00 -
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I really don't see why you are posting here about this.
The scorched earth policy being used is not the result of any CCP created mechanic but is the result of player actions and does not appear in any way to violate the EULA. If anything (I admit from an outsiders point of view) its refreshing to see something besides ISK farming happening in the Incursion community.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1529
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Posted - 2013.10.28 00:29:00 -
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Samillian wrote:I really don't see why you are posting here about this.
The scorched earth policy being used is not the result of any CCP created mechanic but is the result of player actions and does not appear in any way to violate the EULA. If anything (I admit from an outsiders point of view) its refreshing to see something besides ISK farming happening in the Incursion community.
Nailed it.
Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2041
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Posted - 2013.10.28 01:55:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:Danika Princip wrote:
Remove ALL other sites when the mothership spawns. 100% risk free isk faucets are a BAD THING, this would at least turn off the flow early.
Destruction of the mothership does not increase or reduce risk to the fleets while running incursion sites. It simply ends the incursion. Those of us who want to participate in incursions and do not have the means of assembling a fleet capable of running the Kundalini Manifest site are cut off from running the lower tiered sites due to the almost immediate destruction of the mothership as soon as it appears. My complaint is not that fleets capable of killing the mom are killing the mom. That's the purpose of the site. I have no facts, just hearsay to back this up, but it appears certain shield communities are intentionally running back-to-back HQ sites, not merely to reap the ISK/LP rewards for those sites, but primarily to run the red out of the bar and causing the mom to spawn, then immediately kill it. Again, not primarily to reap the ISK/LP rewards, but to deny access to that incursion by all players as soon as possible. Again, hearsay tells me that the reason they are doing this is in response to being butthurt over armor fleets occasionally contesting a site, and sometimes winning those contests. While I can understand the irritation of having to deal with a contest when you're trying to run sites, I don't think it adheres to the spirit of the game to pitch a hissy-fit and intentionally take a dump in EVERYBODY'S oatmeal.
You know what it sounds like to me, from your description here?
It sounds like you engaged in some PvP - perhaps indirectly, but PvP nevertheless - with the shield fleets by contesting a site they were going for, thus harming their wallets. Now they're striking back - namely, by shutting off your farming ability as quickly as possible - and you're whining that they're being unfair.
Basically, it sounds like you're no better than a typical schoolyard bully. You pick on the other kid until he lashes back, then you run to the teacher. Only difference is that this is EVE, not the schoolyard, so there's no bull**** zero tolerance policies that get the other kid expelled for protecting himself.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:32:00 -
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I would recommend that if you do not like the fact that someone is intentionally shutting off the incursion early, that you mount your finest battlesteeds and engage them in hounourable Player vs. Player combat.
If you're unwilling to do this to protect your money making schemes, I'm afraid Eve is gonna be a pretty unfriendly place for you, especially in the next 6-36 months.
This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12150
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Posted - 2013.10.28 02:35:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:So you're mad at people for completing the content as CCP intended, instead of abusing the mechanics to farm it for more money?
I see. Yeah pretty much this. Sympathy level = 0.
We may need a number smaller than 0 here.
Get some of our top men on this.
1 Kings 12:11
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Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:18:00 -
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In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
3540
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:36:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood.
Which one?
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 03:47:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Which one?
Which one what? |
mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2042
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Posted - 2013.10.28 04:33:00 -
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Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood.
Yes, a forum where people recognize and point out that you're suffering consequences for your own actions was probably the wrong place to expect sympathy from.
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Mortis Aguila
PushmePullyou Industrial Services
9
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Posted - 2013.10.28 05:14:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Mortis Aguila wrote:In hindsight, this was probably the wrong place to post in an effort to instigate an uproar at the behavior of certain Incursion communities. Apologies for that. In response to the commentor who thinks denying access to the Incursions gameplay to the entire Eve community because they got their panties in a twist about being contested by a fleet from another community in a site ... I'm glad you didn't have access to nuclear weapons when somebody picked on you in your childhood. Yes, a forum where people recognize and point out that you're suffering consequences for your own actions was probably the wrong place to expect sympathy from.
(sigh) Is it a requirement for you to be an insufferable f***ing d***head whenever you respond to people with whom you disagree? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12175
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Posted - 2013.10.28 11:11:00 -
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It's an extra service he provides for free.
1 Kings 12:11
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mynnna
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2055
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Posted - 2013.10.28 12:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's an extra service he provides for free.
You've been a pretty good teacher when it comes to honing my technique though. 
Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
12190
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Posted - 2013.10.28 14:23:00 -
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It's a service I provide for free.
1 Kings 12:11
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
1058
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:49:00 -
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I don't understand people attacking the Sansha ships in incursions.
The capsuleer ships drop more and better loot, and have worse AI.
Sure you need to get into their corporation first, or wardec them and hope they ignore you, but that is a small price to pay.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content.
The difference between an enemy and a friend is that you stab your enemies in the front. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
891
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:16:00 -
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Now I'm not an incursion runner, so I don't have much experience with them, but isn't the point of an incursion to defeat the Mothership????
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum
In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
768
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:48:00 -
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I'm kind of confused....All this incursion running groups and complaining about motherships and stuff just reminds me of old everquest mob camps.
I mean, we're playing EVE. If the "other team" is doing something so profoundly annoying....go shoot them! Get some awoxing going, corptheftery, suicide gank...hell, suicide ECM at the right time on logi. The last thing you should be doing is crying like a themeparker experiencing "unfairness".
If they pop the mothership too quickly for you, then go pop them before they can kill the mothership.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
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