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Dimitri Chandler	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:07:00 - [61] nik, look at the amount of leet speak in your sig for starters. -------------------------------------------------- LOSE CHUCK
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:14:00 - [62] Originally by: Dimitri Chandler nik, look at the amount of leet speak in your sig for starters. "4tw btw". That is the only leetspeak in there, and Mebrithiel Ju'wien said it, not me. It's a quote, so even if I would LIKE it to have said "by the way", I'm not going to edit it. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Dimitri Chandler nik, look at the amount of leet speak in your sig for starters. "4tw btw". That is the only leetspeak in there, and Mebrithiel Ju'wien said it, not me. It's a quote, so even if I would LIKE it to have said "by the way", I'm not going to edit it. You have it in your signature, so it must not bother you that much. So why whine about it?
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:24:00 - [64] The worst part about it is that it is begenning to show up in actual games
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:27:00 - [65] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari Originally by: Dimitri Chandler nik, look at the amount of leet speak in your sig for starters. "4tw btw". That is the only leetspeak in there, and Mebrithiel Ju'wien said it, not me. It's a quote, so even if I would LIKE it to have said "by the way", I'm not going to edit it. You have it in your signature, so it must not bother you that much. So why whine about it? I use the quote because of its author and content. I would prefer that it were written differently, but as I said, I can't control that. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
Ben Hump	Posted - 2006.02.04 18:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Relain Linday Edited by: Relain Linday on 04/02/2006 11:32:31 If I see one more person spelling "the" teh, my head will explode and leave a sticky blood pool all over my keyboard! Flame on! can i have your stuff? May contain traces of irony "Yes Mister Tristan"
Lorelai Bak	Posted - 2006.02.04 19:09:00 - [67] Edited by: Lorelai Bak on 04/02/2006 19:09:30 I've got better things to do with my time than to fully and properly type out every damn sentence for no reason what so ever. I can type proper english just fine (except for a few random words), but why do it when I can be understood perfectly using abbrevations? FS, stupid alt :-\|
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.04 19:10:00 - [68] ^ Me. p - l - u - r My first vid
Hayzo	Posted - 2006.02.04 19:13:00 - [69] Edited by: Hayzo on 04/02/2006 19:13:31 Originally by: Lorelai Bak Edited by: Lorelai Bak on 04/02/2006 19:09:30 I've got better things to do with my time than to fully and properly type out every damn sentence for no reason what so ever. I can type proper english just fine (except for a few random words), but why do it when I can be understood perfectly using abbrevations? FS, stupid alt :-\| Shortening words or using things like ftw, btw, brb and so on isn't 1337speak. 1337speak requires you to go out of your way to type it out, and thus out of your way to make somebody lose blood through their eyes. ____________________ "Your safe Boundaries were once unknown frontiers" Join channel: TKI-Net
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.04 19:17:00 - [70] Originally by: Hayzo Shortening words or using things like ftw, btw, brb and so on isn't 1337speak. 1337speak requires you to go out of your way to type it out, and thus out of your way to make somebody lose blood through their eyes. Leet speak isn't the only topic at hand .. p - l - u - r My first vid

Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.02.04 19:20:00 - [71] Originally by: Ras Blumin Originally by: Hayzo Shortening words or using things like ftw, btw, brb and so on isn't 1337speak. 1337speak requires you to go out of your way to type it out, and thus out of your way to make somebody lose blood through their eyes. Leet speak isn't the only topic at hand .. The op was calling shortening words leet speak. I dont really care if people use real leet speak, but maybe thats because not many people do
nahtoh	Posted - 2006.02.04 20:53:00 - [72] The internet has to many damm TLAs...deal with it. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Liisa	Posted - 2006.02.04 21:16:00 - [73] The use of "u" or "r" can make reading a post very annoying for me. Many of you might believe that it is normal and feel a need to shorten word by two letters because of a great time constraint that you must have. I agree on the other hand that there are people that have problems with the english language. These people, when they post, normally have a completely different style to those who simply are too lazy to hit the backspace button on their keyboard when they mis-type something. As for the belief that MS Word will catch all errors done by the person typing, I would suggest that everybody forget this idea very quickly. It only leads to people making mistakes and then not rereading their work and finding the mistakes, being firm in their belief that all mistakes have been found by the program.
M3ta7h3ad	Posted - 2006.02.04 21:32:00 - [74] Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 04/02/2006 12:39:21 What **es me off is Originally by:** "Nubs" HAC's BS's Gamer's Griefer's Leet's Pwn's LEARN HOW TO USE AN APOSTROPHE NUBS!!!!!! Actually Apostrophes are only used to denote OWNERSHIP, not Plurality. In most cases the posters are perfectly correct in leaving the apostrophe out. Nub. ----- Memorable Quotes <Jarltan Dimtras> OH MY GOD MY GF IS A DUDE
Hayzo	Posted - 2006.02.04 22:14:00 - [75] Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Originally by: Shinnen Edited by: Shinnen on 04/02/2006 12:39:21 What **es me off is Originally by:** "Nubs" HAC's BS's Gamer's Griefer's Leet's Pwn's LEARN HOW TO USE AN APOSTROPHE NUBS!!!!!! Actually Apostrophes are only used to denote OWNERSHIP, not Plurality. In most cases the posters are perfectly correct in leaving the apostrophe out. Nub. Exactly his point. Nub. ____________________ "Your safe Boundaries were once unknown frontiers" Join channel: TKI-Net
Dumus	Posted - 2006.02.04 22:29:00 - [76] Edited by: Dumus on 04/02/2006 22:29:02
Relain Linday	Posted - 2006.02.04 22:30:00 - [77] Edited by: Relain Linday on 04/02/2006 22:34:30 I am amazed at some peoples misinterpretation of my original post so let me try to explain nice and clearly. I was not, or ever would; complaining about the quality of grammar or someone's spelling errors. God knows I do make a few myself. It was a complaint about, peepul makin up sillie writing and 1337 speaking. There is nothing wrong with abbreviations. So BTW, FTW, ROTFLMAO and BRB etc... are ok as they are understood abbreviations. An abbreviation is a shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form. Silly 1337 words are not easily understood and just show immaturity and stupidity. The fact that I had so many errors (after the ironical first sentence, which some thought was real) was, surely proof of what I say. That is all. Move along, there is nothing to see here.....
Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.02.04 22:37:00 - [78] What a stinking heap of self important pomposity this thread is. .... Real men use blasters
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.02.04 23:13:00 - [79] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 04/02/2006 23:12:53 Well, English is not my native language, so if you don't like my grammar or spelling, feel free to correct me. Then I might avoid that mistake in the future. Otherwise I don't care. Be happy that German isn't the language of the internet. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Gallell	Posted - 2006.02.04 23:40:00 - [80] The only way to really get all the "Internet-chat-language" cured is to make rules on how it should be written. Just like Morse code or sign language which AFAIK (= as far as I know) is not a specific country's language. But every time I see someone use so called "leet speak" I picture the person saying it to be joking. Just like when a 30 year old guy sounds like a little five year old, "my daddy beat your daddy", when he is fooling around. But sadly more and more people are using "leet speak" as an actual language, which just proofs that humans are lazy. Post Scriptum And if you are using the Opera web browser you can install a-spell and have any text area spell-checked before you click on Send/Post.

Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.02.04 23:52:00 - [81] Originally by: Relain Linday Edited by: Relain Linday on 04/02/2006 22:34:30 I am amazed at some peoples misinterpretation of my original post so let me try to explain nice and clearly. I was not, or ever would; complaining about the quality of grammar or someone's spelling errors. God knows I do make a few myself. It was a complaint about, peepul makin up sillie writing and 1337 speaking. There is nothing wrong with abbreviations. So BTW, FTW, ROTFLMAO and BRB etc... are ok as they are understood abbreviations. An abbreviation is a shortened form of a word or phrase used chiefly in writing to represent the complete form. Silly 1337 words are not easily understood and just show immaturity and stupidity. The fact that I had so many errors (after the ironical first sentence, which some thought was real) was, surely proof of what I say. That is all. Move along, there is nothing to see here..... What you say is silly writing is people typing phoneticaly, and if you were taught how to read properly you probably wouldnt even skip a beat at reading it. I agree that over used leetspeak is annoying, because as someone said, it is intentional and while it is pretty amusing in small doses, loads of it could be annoying. And by leet speak I mean numbers and symbols instead of letters. All other european languages pronounce letters differently, so saying sillie instead of silly makes more sense to other people. You state that you do not care about peoples grammer or spelling errors, but you then state that they are sillie peepul for doing so. You really need to get a grip and learn some empathy, try learning to speak another language and then writing on their forums.
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:29:00 - [82] Edited by: Nikolai Nuvolari on 05/02/2006 00:29:23 Look, let's clarify everything here. Nobody is complaining about people who legitimately have a problem with English. I tried to learn Spanish once. And I absolutely suck at it. My Spanish would probably make a native speaker's brain hurt, at best. But that means: (A) I'm not going out of my way to mangle the language farther. "0l4 $3n0r Kh4n"? Hell no! (B) I'm NOT going to post on a Spanish-only forum. I refuse to communicate in a language where I can't get my point across clearly and concisely. This is a complaint about people who CAN use perfectly English, but purposely don't. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
Vendrin	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:38:00 - [83] Edited by: Vendrin on 05/02/2006 00:39:25 Originally by: Dimitri Chandler "From this day forth, let the forums overflow with the milk and honey of grammatically correct English," spake he, perusing the affray. "Forsooth, 'tis verily pugnacious," proclaimed his serf, lambasting the incivilities of youth. Thence, from that day forth, was the cup of ye olde English raised in toast to the forum leetspeakers, and text speak was banished to the hills. Would you prefer us to speak like that? It'd be far less annoying and far more amusing. Pugnacious... heh. Funny word. Need help in Caldari Space? Join channel CCDF to give or recieve it.
Mywad	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:12:00 - [84] It amuses me how many people dont correctly read the original post in forums and rant about things that where not the main issue. Nobody complained about people with poor english or typing errors, the 1st post was regarding the use of numbers instead of letters which i agree is awful to read. Nobody wants to see word perfect english or grammar/punctuation just something you can at least understand. I left school with no qualfications at all but amazingly i can write at least half decently, yes some spelling mistakes and punctuation errors but at least people can read it, whatever language/country it is in makes no difference, still think 99% of people dont have a clue what the stuff with numbers and letters says when its written. and i agree with original post that it annoying. "NEXT" P.S dont think age has anything to do with it. probably annoying to equal amounts of young and old people. Ill let you all be the judge of how old i am
Liisa	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:18:00 - [85] Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari This is a complaint about people who CAN use perfectly English, but purposely don't. I agree with this statement completely. There is a large difference between non-native speakers and people who have had their whole schooling in english and refuse to write proper english because they are too lazy. And yes, I know how it is to try and learn more than one language. I speak and write 3 languages and the last (french) causes me great difficulty when I write it, hence I have somebody else read everything I write in french before I it officially leaves my desk.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:22:00 - [86] Originally by: Relain Linday Edited by: Relain Linday on 04/02/2006 11:32:31 I m sik of peeps nt writing ther sentencis out inproper inglish and you sing silly text and l337. Please, most of us here I believe are adults. Why must we tolorate silly schoolboy writing and missing letters. If I see one more person spelling "the" teh, my head will explode and leave a sticky blood pool all over my keyboard! Flame on! Signed. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Ishquar Teh'Sainte	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:37:00 - [87] Well for you it's awful to read, because you're not used to ... in someways leetspeak becomes more graphical than the "normal" style of writing. I wouldn't say 1337 or any other form of e-slang .. or slang per-se is a degeneration of a certain language - it's in someways a pluralistic and at the same time an exlusive kind of communication. There are no strict rules how a sentence in 1337 has to look like - and this means the actual appearance of 1337 depends on the human beeing who speaks/writes ... it's much more personal than write under the guideance of a dictionary. This means it might be easier to express yourself - but it also means that there's always the problem that you would be misunderstood. 1337 and the rest of such "new languages"/slangs is nothing bad - it's only different. Language is never good or bad - you understand it or not ... that's all about communication - if you can't understand what the others said .. it's primary NOT your problem but theirs (though secondary it could become a problem for you too). Language is nothing dead, that never changes - even the symbols of a language (letters, runes etc.) are not absolute - they are changing too ... the times of the "alphabetical monopoly" are over, now we are in the state of the "turing universe" - the media (especially the world wide web) catalyze our perceptions of languages, contexts and symbols. Theres no need for strict rules how a text or even a sentence has to look like - it's all about the intentions the writer want to deliver to the reader ... if a language is inprobriate for it's use it will die - and if it's not dying, well, then the language isn't useless. _________________________________________ waiting for signature... []
Tenacha Khan	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:56:00 - [88] Originally by: Mywad It amuses me how many people dont correctly read the original post in forums and rant about things that where not the main issue. Nobody complained about people with poor english or typing errors Now from the original post Quote: I m sik of peeps nt writing ther sentencis out inproper inglish and you sing silly text That was the part of the ops post I was replying to. I know many people whos written English is terrible, but readable. Are they not meant to post on the public forums or speak ingame for fear of being ridiculed by people such as the op?
Nikolai Nuvolari	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:02:00 - [89] Originally by: Ishquar Teh'Sainte ... in someways leetspeak becomes more graphical than the "normal" style of writing. How is leetspeak "graphical"? It's not like you're using pictograms, as ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics did. All you're doing is substituting other, similar-looking characters for the correct characters. -------------------------------------[04:04:04] Tom Thumb > for a nut case you rawk [04:21:15] Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw [07:38:53] Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108! Stop whining about my signature - Wrangler
Relain Linday	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:08:00 - [90] Originally by: Tenacha Khan Originally by: Mywad It amuses me how many people dont correctly read the original post in forums and rant about things that where not the main issue. Nobody complained about people with poor english or typing errors Now from the original post Quote: I m sik of peeps nt writing ther sentencis out inproper inglish and you sing silly text That was the part of the ops post I was replying to. I know many people whos written English is terrible, but readable. Are they not meant to post on the public forums or speak ingame for fear of being ridiculed by people such as the op? You are misreading my intentions. At no point did I refer to people making grammatical errors. The "spirit" of the post was a reference to the prevalence of Leet speak and lazy English speakers, thinking they are somehow witty or clever to rite in a lazee and sillie whey. It was nothing to do with someone making a mistake, or not putting a comma in, or any other normal errors. Nanoo nanoo



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