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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:42:00 -
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 Originally by: KilROCK
Like a month ago, Only ship i've been flying. It's a nice ship for ganking **** at gates 
yep id agree there. a neutron setup with no mwd does very very well VS gate camps and sub 10km starts.
BTW can u use t2 large blasters?
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gronsak
Originally by: Wizie
The blasterthron needs a grid nerf, a cpu buff and the fittings on tech II blasters need to be looked into.
The Minmatar need 800 autocannons to be buffed and something about 1400s fixed.
ahh yes. lets turn this thred into a proj thred. start your own thred dam it ARGGGGGGG
nerf the megas grid? erm thats a new one. what about its grid makes it overpowered?
increase its cpu. not needed imo. just a blaster cpu decrease and maybe slightly blaster pg decrease.
oh and the eternal 1400mm fix. wait what was wrong with those again? do they do too much burst damage? do they have the best sniper ammo? is its 5 mid slots too little for your sniping needs?
yes some ****s gona post some stupid dps graph taking into account 1400 t2 vs 425s t2 and tach t2 and not even consider tracking, burst damage, damage type and best of all they are gona make it a infinitly long fight to further swing the argument to their favour  well i put a hax on ya, open a new thred if u want to do that
800mm AC need a fix? ohhhh u dont like that you can actually fit a full rack + shield tank easilly with neuts in high. bummer. you dont like that it can choose its damage type. DOH. and that its got a decent range. arggg. oh but yes please again show me a infinitly long fight DPS graph to warrent a boost. [taking ******* relaod time into consideration you have the same prob with neutrons over ions ect]
the tempest is fine. before it was nicely overpowered with 6x 800mm 2 neut and 5 jammers in mids. those where the days im sure u miss them just like i miss my 7 dmg mod sniperthron.
and dont whine about not being able to fit 6x 1400 t2 without a grid mod cos infact u can, u just need advanced weapon up 5. and u need some sort of disadvantage with such a high burst damage. and then u got 5 low slots. 3 dmg mods. 1 tracking enhancer. u got one totally free to use what ever. and u can fit a grid mod there. and dont whine there isnt much else u can fit there if 1400pg was lowered.
No one cares about how hard it is to fit 1400s.
Its about how bad they are after the RMR changes.
The 425 rails are TOO easy to fit. And the Mega has plenty of grid to spare after fitting tech II electrons. If the Mega gets a CPU buff or the blasters get a large cpu nerf, then either the Mega needs a Grid nerf or the 425s need a major increase in there fitting reqs.
The Tempest was overpowered? You mean like the Domi was with dual 250s? Heres a news flash, the Domi is still a spectacular ship. Probably the best if not in the top 2 close/intermediate range ships in game. Heck with new drones and 5 mids it still does as much dmg as the ganka dual 250 domi only better.
The 1400s still have the highest burst dmg, but that burst dmg is still crap when you consider that a sniping Tempest only comes into its own in a group of several of them.
I have summed up what needs to be done to the 2 ships.
Nerf grid on mega or boost grid usage of 425s.
Nerf cpu of blasters, or boost cpu on mega.
Fix 800s and fix 1400s.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:44:00 -
[93]
Originally by: dalman
Just to throw in what I really think of all this;
the bthron is actually good as it is.
It's that 80% of the ships in EVE are overpowered.
It's supposed to be hard to work out a 'perfect' set up. Trying back and forth with different stuff to see what fits is the fun and challenging thing to do. Just as to spend $$$ on 'leet equipment' to bring out the whole potential of the ship.
It's just that it isn't very fun anymore when it's obvious that your opponents don't have to do the same: They can basicly just say "ok, this is what I want in my slots" - and behold, it all fits!
Problem is that it won't go very well with the playerbase to nerf almost all ships :(
i would actually 100% agree with that.
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Zysco
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:51:00 -
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I agree with basically every one of stormfronts posts.
PS come play in synd again *****.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Wizie
No one cares about how hard it is to fit 1400s.
Its about how bad they are after the RMR changes.
The 425 rails are TOO easy to fit. And the Mega has plenty of grid to spare after fitting tech II electrons. If the Mega gets a CPU buff or the blasters get a large cpu nerf, then either the Mega needs a Grid nerf or the 425s need a major increase in there fitting reqs.
The Tempest was overpowered? You mean like the Domi was with dual 250s? Heres a news flash, the Domi is still a spectacular ship. Probably the best if not in the top 2 close/intermediate range ships in game. Heck with new drones and 5 mids it still does as much dmg as the ganka dual 250 domi only better.
The 1400s still have the highest burst dmg, but that burst dmg is still crap when you consider that a sniping Tempest only comes into its own in a group of several of them.
I have summed up what needs to be done to the 2 ships.
Nerf grid on mega or boost grid usage of 425s.
Nerf cpu of blasters, or boost cpu on mega.
Fix 800s and fix 1400s.
you do know that the burst dmg effects every ship in game.
1400mm tempest is a better sniper then a 425 mega trust me. many times ive shot crusiers for them to warp out in structure. many times i have not been able to lock crusiers to instapop them [which teh temps higher scan res and 3rd sensor booster it is much easier]
not to mention u got more damageing sniper ammo
not to mention u got 2 rocket launchers with defenders to help vs missiles.
now the megas got 1 extra low slot. now after the stacking nerf what do i fit. let me see. already got 3 dmg mods. 3 tracking mods. what else, what else. hummmmm. ahh yes the only other thing is a ECCM mod. whoot. oh **** ECM doesnt reach me at 150km. oh well let me see again. humm . how about a meh nothing usefull.
1400mm temp is fine.
rails to easy to git on a megathron? ROFLMAO u seen AC on a tempest? i never seen any ship easier to fit. how about u increase the AC so they actually use more grid then blasters since proj are ment to be more grid then hybrid
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.02.04 22:53:00 -
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anyways let the proj argument stop now
its a thred on how hard the blasters are to fit
and i sign this, too hard to fit, decrease CPU and CAP use.
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Farjung
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Posted - 2006.02.04 23:21:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Wizie
Originally by: Farjung
Edited by: Farjung on 04/02/2006 21:06:36
Just embrace the fact that you need to spend 6-7 times what your opponent does on your blasterthron to get a suitably competitive setup and all your troubles melt away (or are replaced by the anaesthetic effect of a gaping hole in your wallet).
Far stop talking. You are a noob Blasterthron pilot. So what you say doesnt count. I'm so gonna kick your arse on CS now that you dont play it as much.
True about the CS thing though, I really do suck now :(
Anyway. Has there been any official word that the alluded-to blaster changes will come in with the Blood patch? Or is TomB just being a tease? ¼___¼
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Agorander
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Posted - 2006.02.04 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: dalman
Just to throw in what I really think of all this;
the bthron is actually good as it is.
It's that 80% of the ships in EVE are overpowered.
It's supposed to be hard to work out a 'perfect' set up. Trying back and forth with different stuff to see what fits is the fun and challenging thing to do. Just as to spend $$$ on 'leet equipment' to bring out the whole potential of the ship.
It's just that it isn't very fun anymore when it's obvious that your opponents don't have to do the same: They can basicly just say "ok, this is what I want in my slots" - and behold, it all fits!
Problem is that it won't go very well with the playerbase to nerf almost all ships :(
QFT
Considering only itself the BT is absolutely perfect fittingswise (I would still argue about the tracking of blasters, but hey...).
To bad everything else (including rail-mega) isn't...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.02.04 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmaul on 04/02/2006 23:41:39
cba to read the whole thread. the best I can get out of the ship is:
Ion Blaster II x 7
Heavy Dim Nos x 1
MWD II x 1
Faint 20k Scram x 1
Fleeting Web x 1
Heavy Elec Cap Booster x 1
Large Rep II x 1
Energised Adaptive II x 2-3
Magfield II x 2-3
Co-Pro II x 1
You have room to slap a Gist X-Type MWD on there for some serious speed, although a Domi MWD might be a better option cost wise.
Or, just get a tempest 
edit: obligitory "gronsak don't flame me you know I don't fly gallente" disclaimer
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