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Markie
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Posted - 2006.02.06 10:07:00 -
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This is not intended to be a flame and if I am wrong I will retract what I am about to say but:
BE are pirates right? That simpley gives them an advantage, pirates are not in it to prove any thing, they are only in it for personnel gain, am I right?
So, because of this there tackics of ganking, WCS, warping out when ganks come in is a valid tacktic, all be it a pain in the arse. I know for a fact that these guys are allwys using there scanner so probing becomes a little tricky.
The problem here is that they fight a totaly diffrent fight than most PVP corps, the way to get these guys is to evolve your tactics, use unterdictors (can they cloak and deploy there bubble straight after de-cloaking?)
they have the ability to hit at uber range and I for one respect that, I think that there tactics are a proper pain, but hey, there hard to get and thats what I like in PVP, if you enjoy easy kills and wont chase the hards ones that says a lot about you IMHO.
Also they do drop nice loot.
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Natasha Sonadaye
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:05:00 -
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*Scratches head* Intell is very important in combat and any means taken to get it should be taken also a solid exit strategy should be implemented as well after all it is combat were talkin about rite? WAKE UP FOLKS its time to be realistic and quit wining. Every enemy has a different aspect of engagement adapt or be defeated simple as that 
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Time Keeper
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:07:00 -
[63]
Natasha is my alt not a BE alt btw mis**** char selection 
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Ethan Tomlinson
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Posted - 2006.02.06 19:31:00 -
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haha BE makes everybody look stupid i really love reading these threads...
believe it/like it or not BE is [in]famous in eve and have gained teh notoriety that m0o had so all of u will have to deal with it!
personally i believe BE's opinion on engagements with boys on boys because boys on boys will say whatever they have to to make it look like they are incredibly badass where as i dont see too much Epeni waving from BE... they just state the facts and shoot people...
really if u think about it BE's tactics are hard to counter if u warp to a cov opsies with a bunch of ravens with damps/scramblers on its easy to take out some ships before tacklers can motor out to u especially with new t2 missiles... its simple warp in, align for warp out, EW, fire, warp out when tacklers get close... great tactics and a surefire way to make sure u end up on positive end of kill ratio!
and i love this thing u are doin to big blue...should do it to stella nova too...they sit back in Q-TBHW and mine crokite and npc all 23/7 with hardly any problems! its like fish in a barrel seriously! honestly who just gives away 0.0 space to noobs? FE and big blue come to mind   
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.06 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson haha BE makes everybody look stupid i really love reading these threads...
believe it/like it or not BE is [in]famous in eve and have gained teh notoriety that m0o had so all of u will have to deal with it!
personally i believe BE's opinion on engagements with boys on boys because boys on boys will say whatever they have to to make it look like they are incredibly badass where as i dont see too much Epeni waving from BE... they just state the facts and shoot people...
really if u think about it BE's tactics are hard to counter if u warp to a cov opsies with a bunch of ravens with damps/scramblers on its easy to take out some ships before tacklers can motor out to u especially with new t2 missiles... its simple warp in, align for warp out, EW, fire, warp out when tacklers get close... great tactics and a surefire way to make sure u end up on positive end of kill ratio!
and i love this thing u are doin to big blue...should do it to stella nova too...they sit back in Q-TBHW and mine crokite and npc all 23/7 with hardly any problems! its like fish in a barrel seriously! honestly who just gives away 0.0 space to noobs? FE and big blue come to mind   
We recently declared war on SNU. A couple of engagements in 0.0 resulted in huge losses for SNU and we were never challenged again. We did not pay the war bill another week as it was not profitable to do so. Killed lots of indys tho. Very few SNU ever appeared in anything larger than a cruiser.
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Delicious
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:05:00 -
[66]
 Alts rock
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:19:00 -
[67]
"where as i dont see too much Epeni waving from BE... they just state the facts and shoot people..."
You must be reading some other BE threads. Or it's some really selective reading ^^
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Danari
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:36:00 -
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Edited by: Danari on 09/02/2006 00:42:34 Speaking from experience, BE generally puts the covops on the other side of the gate they're camping, so covops wouldn't explain an eerie coincidence of them always warping away. However, they are generally off the gate and aligned when there is a force nearby, and it's trivial to watch the scanner for the warpin.
Sound tactics against sound tactics in this game is usually a stalemate when one of the fleets chooses not to engage. Only once did they have a covops out of position -- inside the system instead of on the other side of the gate, and I was able to set up some sniping damage to jump in after they decided to engage my modest sized group that warped in to them, and snared a hac as a result.
As far as I'm concerned, they use valid setups and tactics, and how balls to the wall a particular setup or tactic may be frankly is of no concern to anyone else. If you don't like the mechanics write a dev because your whining in here isn't going to change anything.
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Time Keeper
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Posted - 2006.02.09 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Danari Edited by: Danari on 09/02/2006 00:42:34 Speaking from experience, BE generally puts the covops on the other side of the gate they're camping, so covops wouldn't explain an eerie coincidence of them always warping away. However, they are generally off the gate and aligned when there is a force nearby, and it's trivial to watch the scanner for the warpin.
Sound tactics against sound tactics in this game is usually a stalemate when one of the fleets chooses not to engage. Only once did they have a covops out of position -- inside the system instead of on the other side of the gate, and I was able to set up some sniping damage to jump in after they decided to engage my modest sized group that warped in to them, and snared a hac as a result.
As far as I'm concerned, they use valid setups and tactics, and how balls to the wall a particular setup or tactic may be frankly is of no concern to anyone else. If you don't like the mechanics write a dev because your whining in here isn't going to change anything.
signed 
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popa babe
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Posted - 2006.02.09 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ethan Tomlinson haha BE makes everybody look stupid i really love reading these threads...
believe it/like it or not BE is [in]famous in eve and have gained teh notoriety that m0o had so all of u will have to deal with it!
personally i believe BE's opinion on engagements with boys on boys because boys on boys will say whatever they have to to make it look like they are incredibly badass where as i dont see too much Epeni waving from BE... they just state the facts and shoot people...
really if u think about it BE's tactics are hard to counter if u warp to a cov opsies with a bunch of ravens with damps/scramblers on its easy to take out some ships before tacklers can motor out to u especially with new t2 missiles... its simple warp in, align for warp out, EW, fire, warp out when tacklers get close... great tactics and a surefire way to make sure u end up on positive end of kill ratio!
and i love this thing u are doin to big blue...should do it to stella nova too...they sit back in Q-TBHW and mine crokite and npc all 23/7 with hardly any problems! its like fish in a barrel seriously! honestly who just gives away 0.0 space to noobs? FE and big blue come to mind   
just cause your mate demonthese joined em no need to blow the lot of them.
oh and confirmed by a be player complaining he can only fit 5 wcs on his raven.
and yes im a alt
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zeroh
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Posted - 2006.02.09 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: zeroh on 09/02/2006 02:56:42 Edited by: zeroh on 09/02/2006 02:55:57 stop smacking burn killboards says it all  its all buhu they run they use stabs they dont fight buhu buhu  i WUB u kick  give them hell man
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.09 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: zeroh stop smacking burn killboards says it all  its all buhu they run they use stabs they dont fight buhu buhu  i WUB u kick  give them hell man
Reikoku . Well, I guess all pirates join RKK at some point. Say hello to my good friend dbp.
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Sveny
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Posted - 2006.02.09 04:33:00 -
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If they got a spy onto your TS, in your TS room - one question has to be asked....
Who let them in?
As for stabs vs numbers, everyone complains about everything else - its how the internet works.
Just think about how good you are before posting how lame someone else is, if your own security is flawed (try only gang members in ts room, pw your rooms, change server pw's every now and again. Its easy enough to get a spy in - keeping it there is the hard part.)
Sven
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skilz
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Posted - 2006.02.09 07:24:00 -
[74]
BUREN EDEN 4TW.
p.s. kickass convo me sometime :) --
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Kraven Kor
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Posted - 2006.02.09 16:51:00 -
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Someone here said "nobody is interested" in hearing from Burn Eden.
Yet here we have 3 pages of replies.
Personally, I've only ever once encountered them. When in FA, we had alliance chat light up for a few days "OMG Burn Eden is coming! Look out, Burn Eden is coming!" And then they came, popped a few ships, got chased off a few times. They are pretty dang good at not dieing, it would seem. Then they were "old news" to us when BoB took over Delve.
Now, the point I want to make here, is such: If you don't want to hear BE spouting off about their latest "accomplishments"... stop reading their threads.
If you reply, you obviously care.
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Tysenus
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Posted - 2006.02.09 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: Zimiel Remember that sweet time when you(BE) got totally locked to the 2-rsc7 system for 1 day+? You must¦ve felt yourselves really small and worthless back then while waiting for an opporturnity to flee. If I remember correctly you had to ask some friends from north to bust you thru. I¦m sure you paid for their service with the standard G/IRON currency. (Use your imagination to determine what kind of currency we are talking about) 
Fact: The ASCN bubble camp was destroyed by 2 (yes two) sniping battleships, me in a Tempest and an Armageddon.
Fact: There was 7 bubbles on the gate. (6 mediums and 1 small)
Fact: The entire ASCN fleet was sitting inside the bubbles making it easy to lay waste to them. The ones that jumped into 2-R were met on that side by the main BE fleet.
Fact: G/IRON had nothing to do with this as it was purely a decision from some DOFA pilots to get an opportunity to destroy some targets... no matter whos they were.
The total kills that day are not known from all those involved in the two different systems but I had 3 battleship kills myself and the majority were destroyed by BE in 2-R. I cant believe the denial from ASCN since that day as they have tried to even claim that I am just a BE alt.
Ya I know I will get flamed... man I wish I would have run fraps that night
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Danari
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Posted - 2006.02.09 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tysenus
Originally by: Zimiel Remember that sweet time when you(BE) got totally locked to the 2-rsc7 system for 1 day+? You must¦ve felt yourselves really small and worthless back then while waiting for an opporturnity to flee. If I remember correctly you had to ask some friends from north to bust you thru. I¦m sure you paid for their service with the standard G/IRON currency. (Use your imagination to determine what kind of currency we are talking about) 
Fact: The ASCN bubble camp was destroyed by 2 (yes two) sniping battleships, me in a Tempest and an Armageddon.
Fact: There was 7 bubbles on the gate. (6 mediums and 1 small)
Fact: The entire ASCN fleet was sitting inside the bubbles making it easy to lay waste to them. The ones that jumped into 2-R were met on that side by the main BE fleet.
Fact: G/IRON had nothing to do with this as it was purely a decision from some DOFA pilots to get an opportunity to destroy some targets... no matter whos they were.
The total kills that day are not known from all those involved in the two different systems but I had 3 battleship kills myself and the majority were destroyed by BE in 2-R. I cant believe the denial from ASCN since that day as they have tried to even claim that I am just a BE alt.
Ya I know I will get flamed... man I wish I would have run fraps that night
It looks like 5 bs were popped in 2-r, and 1 in zid-le, plus whatever wasn't picked up on BE's killboard so yeah at the end of being camped in by miners and ratters, BE/DOFA exacted a certain amount of payback -- albeit against targets who can afford the losses better than anyone. Undeniably, BE had fewer kills over that time than usual for them. 5 out of 6 of the popped bs had very inexperienced pilots, so for me an engagement like that wouldn't make a top ten list the way it seems to for some other people.
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Ur4ssIsgr4ss
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Posted - 2006.02.09 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: Danari
Originally by: Tysenus
Originally by: Zimiel Remember that sweet time when you(BE) got totally locked to the 2-rsc7 system for 1 day+? You must¦ve felt yourselves really small and worthless back then while waiting for an opporturnity to flee. If I remember correctly you had to ask some friends from north to bust you thru. I¦m sure you paid for their service with the standard G/IRON currency. (Use your imagination to determine what kind of currency we are talking about) 
Fact: The ASCN bubble camp was destroyed by 2 (yes two) sniping battleships, me in a Tempest and an Armageddon.
Fact: There was 7 bubbles on the gate. (6 mediums and 1 small)
Fact: The entire ASCN fleet was sitting inside the bubbles making it easy to lay waste to them. The ones that jumped into 2-R were met on that side by the main BE fleet.
Fact: G/IRON had nothing to do with this as it was purely a decision from some DOFA pilots to get an opportunity to destroy some targets... no matter whos they were.
The total kills that day are not known from all those involved in the two different systems but I had 3 battleship kills myself and the majority were destroyed by BE in 2-R. I cant believe the denial from ASCN since that day as they have tried to even claim that I am just a BE alt.
Ya I know I will get flamed... man I wish I would have run fraps that night
It looks like 5 bs were popped in 2-r, and 1 in zid-le, plus whatever wasn't picked up on BE's killboard so yeah at the end of being camped in by miners and ratters, BE/DOFA exacted a certain amount of payback -- albeit against targets who can afford the losses better than anyone. Undeniably, BE had fewer kills over that time than usual for them. 5 out of 6 of the popped bs had very inexperienced pilots, so for me an engagement like that wouldn't make a top ten list the way it seems to for some other people.
miners and ratters... excuses, excuses. Oh and all of the players that you guys manage to kill... they are all noob carebears as well. I would like to know what you were thinking sending the worst pvpers in your alliance to camp in some battle hardened 0.0 pirates? I dont think you did, its an easy out and I have heard other peeps claim the same thing...."oh you only ganked our miners" its sad. There are very few corps or alliances out there that will actually admit when they have faced defeat.... the ones that do are usually the ones that dont get defeated very often and will congratulate the other on thier victory. ASCN is not one of these.
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Danari
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Posted - 2006.02.10 00:26:00 -
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Edited by: Danari on 10/02/2006 00:27:13
Originally by: Ur4ssIsgr4ss [:lol: miners and ratters... excuses, excuses. Oh and all of the players that you guys manage to kill... they are all noob carebears as well. I would like to know what you were thinking sending the worst pvpers in your alliance to camp in some battle hardened 0.0 pirates?
/me shrugs, nobody sent them, that's just what they decided to do. Most of us thought it was hilarious, even with the end result it was still hilarious imo.
We kill nubs for Darwinian reasons just like anyone, but it'll take only but a glance to see a lot of our kills are experienced pvpers as well.
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Frakri Hogsto
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Posted - 2006.02.10 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
  
I could tell you how we do it but then your would force me to kill you again.
Far as us using what you call cowardly or whatever. This is what I call "COWARDLY".
Some examples...
Docking when you have 30 in local and 3 of us jump in.
Bringing out a fleet of say 20+ to engage 3 or 4 .
Screaming in your alliance chat DO NOT ENGAGE them DOCK or Safe spot.
Joining an alliance of hundreds to fight with.
I can go on and on...
So your complaining that they dock when they have 30, and also complain when they bring 20 to fight you?
Is it just me or does that seem backwards?
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.02.10 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Frakri Hogsto
Originally by: SATAN
  
I could tell you how we do it but then your would force me to kill you again.
Far as us using what you call cowardly or whatever. This is what I call "COWARDLY".
Some examples...
Docking when you have 30 in local and 3 of us jump in.
Bringing out a fleet of say 20+ to engage 3 or 4 .
Screaming in your alliance chat DO NOT ENGAGE them DOCK or Safe spot.
Joining an alliance of hundreds to fight with.
I can go on and on...
So your complaining that they dock when they have 30, and also complain when they bring 20 to fight you?
Is it just me or does that seem backwards?
Who said I was complaining, the word used was cowardly.
Our fighting style has adapted to the enemy blobing us even if CCP does not like it. At this point the more they bring the more they loose...
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raVn666
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Posted - 2006.02.10 21:59:00 -
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lol ...fun as always reading Burn Eden treads 
All the anger shows how fustrated the blobbers are over not beeing able to pwn a handfull pilotes. good job guys ... U really know how to stare up the masses 
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.02.11 00:01:00 -
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Our name always brings out the best in people. They just cant get enough.
For anyone that cares the Big Blue drops amazing loot. In the 2 weeks there our loot run has exceeded 3 billion isk, and still have about 100 stacked items to sell. An expected 3.5 bil should be achieved.
I love the big blue 
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Ivanov
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Posted - 2006.02.11 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: Ivanov on 11/02/2006 02:14:18 so i guess by not-cowardly you mean giving up to the enemy your 75mill+ fitted raven because they managed to get 1 measely point of scram on you with a 9mill ceptor?
I used a B-E setup on my raven today, went solo against a mixed fleet of 12(including other BS), was fun as hell, killed a few things, and i lived.
I don't dis on their setups or tactics, i dis on the forum whoring and trashtalking. it just makes them sound like a bunch of immature pre-teens TBH. they would be a lot scarier if they went around killing ppl and said NOTHING at all. but when the spectre of death opens it's mouth and sounds like a whiny trashtalking CS kid, it's not really scary or respectable anymore, it's just annoying. the stupid PR announcements are really not nessacery IMHO either.
just go kill stuff and let that talk, period.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.02.11 03:51:00 -
[85]
We love you too.
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2006.02.11 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: raVn666 lol ...fun as always reading Burn Eden treads 
All the anger shows how fustrated the blobbers are over not beeing able to pwn a handfull pilotes. good job guys ... U really know how to stare up the masses 
Pff this is nothing. You should have seen the threads this time last year. If a BE thread didn't go over 10 pages, it was only cause the forums were down.
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NAFnist
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Posted - 2006.02.11 09:44:00 -
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yea.. dissapointing much
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Malken
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Posted - 2006.02.11 10:05:00 -
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using stabs is not a BE event. we caught 2 tundragon megathrons the other day and put -4 on each of them and they ran. its a ever increasing occurance.
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raVn666
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Malken using stabs is not a BE event. we caught 2 tundragon megathrons the other day and put -4 on each of them and they ran. its a ever increasing occurance.
well ..of course it is , when U belong to a small group of pvp'ers and are outnumbered and outblobbed most of the time its almost a must to survive. Noone gives away theyr ships freely.
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ParMizaN
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Posted - 2006.02.11 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: ParMizaN on 11/02/2006 17:34:02
Originally by: raVn666
Originally by: Malken using stabs is not a BE event. we caught 2 tundragon megathrons the other day and put -4 on each of them and they ran. its a ever increasing occurance.
well ..of course it is , when U belong to a small group of pvp'ers and are outnumbered and outblobbed most of the time its almost a must to survive. Noone gives away theyr ships freely.
You can be more efectve without stabs in a small group with the right tactics. No stabs doesnt = suicide.
Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
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