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Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw?
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:53:00 - [92] Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. Contact 'The Enslaver' ingame for good prices on Cap Recharger IIs, Zealots, Ishtars, Vagabonds and various other Tech2 Ships and Modules!**
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:01:00 - [93] Edited by: Gronsak on 06/02/2006 22:02:02 Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw? pvp and npcing what else is there. well apart from sitting in it spining it in the station
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:08:00 - [94] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 06/02/2006 22:02:02 Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw? pvp and npcing what else is there. well apart from sitting in it spining it in the station Ah okay, I guess you left out the NPC part in the earlier post then? My apoligies if we agree then.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:08:00 - [95] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. trust me they are lost in npcing. i know of many times ppl have lost them npcing. and yes i agree it is retarded but it does happen. i agree they are great npcing toys but as pvp toys they suck compaired to BS. but i want them to stay expensive. t2 is ment to be rare and expensive. but i just hate the part of all the isk going to someone who does in compairision very little to earn it. make the build cost of hacs 150mils isk and seed the mofo prints into npc agents. then im 100% happy. expensive and the isk doesnt go to some rich t2 bpo hogger and fyi its the npcers that cry for cheap hacs ffs. pvpers tend to understand that it would be retarded if a hac was 50mils isk since then everyone would be in hacs and that would be a bit **.
Pencheven	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:42:00 - [96] Edited by: Pencheven on 07/02/2006 16:42:31 I understand what you mean that EVE has evolved, it would be nice if they were more available, granted even IÆm not happy with the idea they should be rear and expensive, I bought my Zealot when they first started coming out at the price of 70mill and still havenÆt lost it. I have trained "one hell of allot" to specialize in my shiny HAC and it does make me cry at the thought of around 200 mill to replace it with nothing back when it pops, no insurance. Its an expensive toy, and unfortunately it does make me squeal at the thought of losing it, which makes me lean to not using it in pvp excursions. If you do only have 1 account like myself, income is very hard to come round and 200mill is allot to me, so id defiantly like it if they went round at 50mill which is the price im guessing CCP would think a ship should go for (due to the build prices and insurance) However likes its been discussed, this is a game with a player interactive market which means alliances which hold the T2 BPO's control the prices. You could say a system like this is realistic, however a monopoly like this can be bad if your not apart of that alliance. I think it could be a good thing if they released more BPC's of HAC's and T2 items in general (a few runs or even just one per BPC) not only in a research system, but in agent missions aswell.. Just some more thoughts.. My EVE Movie { Empire War }
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:56:00 - [97] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. now you** win a Heineken i'm keeping the Amstel though cus it's better --------------------------- My opinions are my own and not nessecarily those of my corp or alliance.
Khatred	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:12:00 - [98] OMG, I like missed this thread? _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:19:00 - [99] LOL you people make me laugh. This is a player driven market. Which means its very comparable to real life markets. For example lets look at the stock market. A share is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If someone buys all the shares of a company and doesnt want to sell any to anyone then no one can buy any. What you think should be the case - counts for jack all in real life and this comes across in eve because it is largely player driven. If no one pays 150million for a hac then the price will drop as builders and owners looking to sell become more desperate. The demand has fallen and therefore the supply and price will decrease. You think because a Porsche is cool everyone should be able to afford one? You think they should make more Porsches so that the prices go down so you can afford them or start a collection of them? HACs are T2!!! T2 is not supposed to be affordable and for everyone! they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue!
K5K AnimalMother	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:28:00 - [100] Zealot = Mining in style.
Q'unt	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:31:00 - [101] Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now
Uggster	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:31:00 - [102] I bought one, no 2, maybe 3 the other day and then remembered that I cant fly them so I reproed them. JUST SO REAL ZEALOT PILOTS CANT HAVE THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111110ne0ne0ne0ne3l3van3l34anelevaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn hahahaha
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:34:00 - [103] Originally by: Q'unt Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now Err yes, thats exactly what he said. Although you're wrong, they cost alot less then half of the current market prices to build. OMG TEH PINK!1 - Imaran LOOK MA, IM BIGGER THEN THE EVIL MOD!!1
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Q'unt Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now Err yes, thats exactly what he said. Although you're wrong, they cost alot less then half of the current market prices to build. Heh fare enough. Less than halph you say well it really is chriminal right now ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Corb	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:37:00 - [105] lol..They cost around 38mil to build. ...wonder how I know that....

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