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Bear grrr	Posted - 2006.02.04 23:58:00 - [1] What is going on with the market place ! There are no Zealots for sale anywhere! Ive been trying to buy 1 for 3 days and none have been for sale in any ammar region ! It seems to me that CCP need to release more Zealot Bpo's badly! The price of the ship has at least doubled in the last 3 months Im left having spent months training to fly one and now I cant buy one! come on CCP please do something to correct this situation!
Gavin Kineli	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:00:00 - [2] You're under the weird impression everybody should have a Zealot. If that were the case, there would be more BPOs.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:00:00 - [3] ^^ No trouble whatsover.
Bear grrr	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:03:00 - [4] no im saying I have worked hard to be able to fly one and I cant buy 1 !
Nessa Culnamo	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:05:00 - [5] Yea the Tech2 ships suply and price has sharply incresed, just look at the market data for them, and they will stay at that price, nothing you can do sadly, but I would rather tank a 60mil BS than pay 150mil for a HAC with heavy skill reqs. Go figue Tech2 BPO holders.
Verone	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:05:00 - [6] I have one, it's shiny Veto Member Movies DO YOU STILL LOVE MEEEEE??? VALENTINE IS COMING. HINT HINT -eris So what do I have to buy you? lol - Verone
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 05/02/2006 00:09:05 ** **. o/ Drilla. EDIT: Argh, gotta buy drilla a round fo beer now :\|
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:08:00 - [8] OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:27:00 - [9] we should get a vaga bpo though :P --------------------------- My opinions are my own and not nessecarily those of my corp or alliance.
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:28:00 - [10] Originally by: Verone I have one, it's shiny I have more than one. They are shiny.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:30:00 - [11] Originally by: Gavin Kineli You're under the weird impression everybody should have a Zealot. Why not? Most people can afford them. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Kye Kenshin	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:31:00 - [13] To add something a bit more constructive to the thread. If you're willing to pay 225mil for a zealot there are some on sale in Jita. I feel sorry for you man and every other poor bastard who trained for HAC's. Unless you're in an alliance that owns a HAC BPO your pretty much screwed. People should really look at what they are getting into with HAC's as its a big waste of ISK and time for the common man i feel.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:31:00 - [14] Originally by: Uther Doull we should get a vaga bpo though :P clearlly we should. i lose too much of em. btw ens, nubsiebuds.
Bear grrr	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:32:00 - [15] I can afford 1 i just want to buy 1 why are none for sale what are the industry corps doing ?
Jim Steele	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:32:00 - [16] I ordered one from naga, took a while but i had to train cruiser 5 and a bunch of other skills so didnt mind... Author of "The Apoc Guide"
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:36:00 - [17] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? OMG OPIRATE! omg pirate^2
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? OMG OPIRATE! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Gamer4liff	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:37:00 - [19] Build more gateways, make sure they are near pylons.
Bear grrr	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:38:00 - [20] guys if you havnt got anything of value to post please get lost!
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:39:00 - [21] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? OMG OPIRATE! omg pirate^2
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:40:00 - [22] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? OMG OPIRATE! Words of wisdom from the comeback kid. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla OMG OMG OMG OMG OMGO GOIMGO OGMG MGMO OMG!!!!1 There si no zealot or spoon ffs! SK+++L Let me guess you have one/more than one? Is that a reason why his point isnt valid? OMG OPIRATE! Words of wisdom from the comeback kid. Words of boredoem from the abused kid. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:42:00 - [24] -------- Shinra Director
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 00:42:44 Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 00:42:04 Originally by: Drilla Words of boredoem from the abused kid. If you're going to post at least TRY to be original. Edit : Spellchecker.net is your friend when your posting drunk. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Slaveabuser Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 00:42:44 Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 00:42:04 Originally by: Drilla Words of boredoem from the abused kid. If you're going to post at least TRY to be original. Edit : Spellchecker.net is your friend when your posting drunk.
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:43:00 - [27] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla Words of boredoem from the abused kid. If youre going to post atleast TRY to be original. Aye aey Sir. You win EVE - Elve giev him ze price! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
zurich93	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:43:00 - [28] maby you should try a different area like not the ammar region unless you dont know there is other ones you choob
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:43:00 - [29] If you want one you're going to have to pay over 200 Million (seen some escrows for around 220M while I was looking for other things earlier tonight). Looking at the Domain region, there are none on the market and there plently of reasonable buy orders waiting to snap up any new stock. The Zealot is clearly the 'must have' ship of the moment. Blowing s**t up since May 2003
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:44:00 - [30] Originally by: Soulis Is that an invite? Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:46:00 - [31] Edited by: Soulis on 05/02/2006 00:46:34 Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Soulis Is that an invite? you and all your friends from Viziam
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Soulis you and all your friends from Viziam No. Im more a fan of 1vs1's. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:49:00 - [33] i prefer a gang bang
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:50:00 - [34] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla Words of boredoem from the abused kid. If youre going to post atleast TRY to be original. Aye aey Sir. You win EVE - Elve giev him ze price! you sir get a heineken! oh ****, no im keeping it bye bye nice try anywya
Nessa Culnamo	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:53:00 - [35] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Soulis Is that an invite? I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;)
Rawne Karrde	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:54:00 - [36] Doesn't help supply when ccp stealth nerfed the components bpo's used to take 50 seconds per component for construction. it is now 8 minutes per reactor and 4 minutes for the rest of the parts. In effect CCP's nerf decreased component porduction by 75%. To maintain our orders we went from 24 factory slots to 74 slots. It has been a serious problem for production and will drive up the prices on t2 stuff as not only now do we have increased factory need for components but also other builders are building R.A.M. too now. pretty silly ccp, I'd like to know the reason you stealth nerfed those bpo's without warning since peeps have put a lot of work in building a component business.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 00:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Nessa Culnamo I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;) I don't like 'we'. I like 'you' Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:00:00 - [38] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Nessa Culnamo I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;) I don't like 'we'. I like 'you' Hey dude, if you have trouble plz come to us. id come to you but i dunno which space is claimed by ziviam
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Nessa Culnamo I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;) I don't like 'we'. I like 'you' I dontr liek 'you'! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
hylleX	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:02:00 - [40] Obviously its more important for CCP to ensure that the selected few with HAC bpos can sell them for 150mill and even more (which is sick) instead of using som common fuin sense and release more so maybe they can sell for i dunno, less than 100mill its still waaaaay more than they cost to build. And all this factory nerfs doesnt make things better. Just screw over 99% of eve players atleast the BPO holders are happy And i dont buy hacs anymore, when they went to these levels it aint justified. BS pwns them anyway ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well kids you've tried your best and failed miserably, the lesson is: never try**
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:04:00 - [41] Originally by: hylleX Obviously its more important for CCP to ensure that the selected few with HAC bpos can sell them for 150mill and even more (which is sick) instead of using som common fu**in sense and release more so maybe they can sell for i dunno, less than 100mill its still waaaaay more than they cost to build. And all this factory nerfs doesnt make things better. Just screw over 99% of eve players atleast the BPO holders are happy And i dont buy hacs anymore, when they went to these levels it aint justified. BS pwns them anyway check out naga's website. none are more than 100 mil. quit moaning
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:05:00 - [42] Edited by: Elve Sorrow on 05/02/2006 01:04:43 I concur.
hylleX	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:06:00 - [43] Originally by: Soulis Originally by: hylleX Obviously its more important for CCP to ensure that the selected few with HAC bpos can sell them for 150mill and even more (which is sick) instead of using som common fuin sense and release more so maybe they can sell for i dunno, less than 100mill its still waaaaay more than they cost to build. And all this factory nerfs doesnt make things better. Just screw over 99% of eve players atleast the BPO holders are happy And i dont buy hacs anymore, when they went to these levels it aint justified. BS pwns them anyway check out naga's website. none are more than 100 mil. quit moaning lol yea ill come back in 6 months then. just stfu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well kids you've tried your best and failed miserably, the lesson is: never try**
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:07:00 - [44] Edited by: Soulis on 05/02/2006 01:07:40 Originally by: hylleX Originally by: Soulis Originally by: hylleX Obviously its more important for CCP to ensure that the selected few with HAC bpos can sell them for 150mill and even more (which is sick) instead of using som common fu**in sense and release more so maybe they can sell for i dunno, less than 100mill its still waaaaay more than they cost to build. And all this factory nerfs doesnt make things better. Just screw over 99% of eve players atleast the BPO holders are happy And i dont buy hacs anymore, when they went to these levels it aint justified. BS pwns them anyway check out naga's website. none are more than 100 mil. quit moaning lol yea ill come back in 6 months then. just stfu good things come to those who wait. either goto to naga or get friendly with someone who has a bpo
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:07:00 - [45] boohoo. Whats 6 months in a lifetoime?
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:08:00 - [46] I woneder how m any bpos CCCP relaesed back when max players was 7-8000 online max. They should releas 1 bpo pr. 1000 actibve aCcounts they have in EVE. Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:09:00 - [47] Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 01:10:14 Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 01:09:42 Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Nessa Culnamo I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;) I don't like 'we'. I like 'you' I dontr liek 'you'! Linkage Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Drilla I woneder how m any bpos CCCP relaesed back when max players was 7-8000 online max. They should releas 1 bpo pr. 1000 actibve aCcounts they have in EVE. no they shouldnt nub. we have plenty hac BPOs, thje less other ppl hav ethe better for us.
hylleX	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Soulis Edited by: Soulis on 05/02/2006 01:07:40 Originally by: hylleX Originally by: Soulis Originally by: hylleX Obviously its more important for CCP to ensure that the selected few with HAC bpos can sell them for 150mill and even more (which is sick) instead of using som common fuin sense and release more so maybe they can sell for i dunno, less than 100mill its still waaaaay more than they cost to build. And all this factory nerfs doesnt make things better. Just screw over 99% of eve players atleast the BPO holders are happy And i dont buy hacs anymore, when they went to these levels it aint justified. BS pwns them anyway check out naga's website. none are more than 100 mil. quit moaning lol yea ill come back in 6 months then. just stfu good things come to those who wait. either goto to naga or get friendly with someone who has a bpo ... Ur a real einstein arent ya ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well kids you've tried your best and failed miserably, the lesson is: never try**
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:11:00 - [50] Originally by: hylleX ... Ur a real einstein arent ya hes more like Newton tbh but i doubt you know who he is...
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:11:00 - [51]
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:12:00 - [52] Originally by: Slaveabuser Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 01:10:14 Edited by: Slaveabuser on 05/02/2006 01:09:42 Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Nessa Culnamo I think it is, we can send you another invite if you like ;) I don't like 'we'. I like 'you' I dontr liek 'you'! Linkage Linking to exe fiels - you win eVE! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:13:00 - [53] Nothing is more fun that reading the desperate typing of people drinking alone in front of their computer. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Drilla	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Slaveabuser Nothing is more fun that reading the desperate typing of people drinking alone in front of their computer. Who said oI was aloen!? Stop procjeting your lief onto me! Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Jaabaa Prime	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:15:00 - [55] Who the hell flies Zealots ? Muninns for the win -- Mini Skill Planner
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:15:00 - [56] Originally by: Slaveabuser Nothing is more fun that reading the desperate typing of people drinking alone in front of their computer. Yea, this guys got a point
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Nothing is more fun that reading the desperate typing of people drinking alone in front of their computer. Who said oI was aloen!? Stop procjeting your lief onto me! In English plz. Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:22:00 - [58] Originally by: Slaveabuser In English plz. Omg we clearly got owned now! Buy a life.
Slaveabuser	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:23:00 - [59] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Slaveabuser In English plz. Omg we clearly got owned now! Buy a life. Are you selling? Shhh!I'm busy thinking about complicated things you wont understand.
zurich93	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:23:00 - [60] Edited by: zurich93 on 05/02/2006 01:23:24 WTS 1 life bpc 500000000000 bil
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Slaveabuser Are you selling? No, im quite fond of mine actually. Its quite pleasnant.
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 01:24:00 - [62] Originally by: Slaveabuser Originally by: Drilla Originally by: Slaveabuser Nothing is more fun that reading the desperate typing of people drinking alone in front of their computer. Who said oI was aloen!? Stop procjeting your lief onto me! In English plz. what language is plz??
Messerschmitt	Posted - 2006.02.05 02:43:00 - [63] I still have 3 of them... Ahh its sweet when you have friends isn't it?
Bear grrr	Posted - 2006.02.05 18:50:00 - [64] COME on CCP release more bpo's
Pencheven	Posted - 2006.02.05 19:33:00 - [65] Im begining to think that maybe the whole lack of T2 ships can actualy be a good thing for EVE, now please before you go crazy, just hear me out. Once upon a time T2 ships were rather rear, and everyone used T1 ships, this allowed the general population to have a fighting chance in gangs or solo agaisnt most ships, and then the lucky few who had T2 ships were very good fighters, however a new person to the game could generally stand a chance with a T1 ship in a fight (due to few T2 ships so mostly people flew T1) Currently we have more people on EVE than ever before, and at the moment, the general idea is the only way you can stand a fighting chance is to have T2 ships with T2 fittings, meaning newer players, and generally if anyone decides to go with a T1 ship they will most likley die. However with more people, there are few'er T2 ships to go around. So when T2 ships in general become rather rear, it would give most T1 pilots a chance, and not need to conform to the whole T2 ships idea. Generally alot of pilots seem to fly a T2 ship now days, leaving T1 pilots to be rather done in due to the enormas power compared with T1 fighting T2. See if everyone flew a T2 ship there would be no point in T1, meaning T2 ships shouldnt be avaliable to everyone, they should be expensive and rear but very powerfull like they are.. Do you understand where im comming from? My EVE Movie { Empire War }
Lysunder	Posted - 2006.02.05 19:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Pencheven Do you understand where im comming from? yes + agreed
Vampire Blade	Posted - 2006.02.05 20:07:00 - [67] I'm pretty sure The Enslaver has a Zealot BPO and sells them for 55m via evemail. ----- ----- -----
Soulis	Posted - 2006.02.05 20:21:00 - [68] Originally by: Vampire Blade I'm pretty sure The Enslaver has a Zealot BPO and sells them for 55m via evemail. i believe you would be correct. convo him when he's online
Maule	Posted - 2006.02.05 20:36:00 - [69] Hac¦s should stay rare untill T3 is released. Could say the same about bs but thats to late
Nyxus	Posted - 2006.02.06 16:46:00 - [70] Edited by: Nyxus on 06/02/2006 16:46:04 Originally by: Pencheven Do you understand where im comming from? Pencheven you have a very good point. I often wonder if this is the Devs goal when it comes to Hacs and long construction time T2 ships like the Recons and T2 BC's. It is obvious that as time goes by the demand for powerful T2 ships will grow, while production (assuming 24/7 alts) is a constant or actually decreases with the component nerf. However, the issue isn't really resolved by this as Hacs are still entering the game, but mainly only for the alliance that holds the BPO. And if your Alliance doesn't have a Hac BPO and your enemies are all flying Hacs it's gonna be.....ugly unless you have some really creative tacticians or are able to field/accept more losses even if yours are lower isk losses. There is currently a concentration of isk/power going on ingame in relation to T2 item and ship BPOs. The more ship/item BPO's your alliance owns, the more powerful your fleets are while risking less. The easier it is to make money and replace losses. The easier it is to recruit good pvpers (omg join us we give you Zealots for AF prices!). The more disposable income the alliance has for investments. Lokta knows this, BoB knows this, every good pvp alliance knows this and there is currently a quiet economic war going on in an attempt to tie up or corner the market. And if you don't think it's a POWERFUL incentive....try losing a couple of Hacs for 200m and hearing a buddy in another alliance talk about how he just got the same hac for 50m. Elve Sorrow and Drilla can effectively buy your soul for the low low price of cheap Zealots. Of course, nothing is worse than your alliance having Hac/T2 gun/item bpos......but not the ones you can use. Nyxus Macgyver can build an airplane out of gum and paper clips, but Chuck Norris can kill him and take it.
Laocoon	Posted - 2006.02.06 16:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Verone I have one, it's shiny HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH -------------------------------------------- Jacques > eris - anon who is stealing my pink? eris Be nice and share your pink - Wrangler RAWRRR!11 - Immy
Oosel	Posted - 2006.02.06 17:43:00 - [72] eve is and always has been fueled by player greed the only way to make sure the price comes down is not to buy them......but thats never going to happen so you just have to go along in the vain hope you might get lucky in the bpo lottery.........i dont even use my zealot anymore knowing how expensive it would be to replace
Blacklight	Posted - 2006.02.06 17:45:00 - [73] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Drilla I woneder how m any bpos CCCP relaesed back when max players was 7-8000 online max. They should releas 1 bpo pr. 1000 actibve aCcounts they have in EVE. no they shouldnt nub. we have plenty hac BPOs, thje less other ppl hav ethe better for us. WTT one of our Zealot bpos for one of yours Eve Blacklight Style
Snake Jankins	Posted - 2006.02.06 17:56:00 - [74] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 06/02/2006 18:03:44 Originally by: Gavin Kineli You're under the weird impression everybody should have a Zealot. If that were the case, there would be more BPOs. There will be more (HAC) BPOs in the future (edit: or maybe limited run BPCs). We just have to wait until the new R&D system is ready and that might take some time. Imho that's not just a wish, that's almost 100% sure. (The discussions about BPO auctions for research points come into my mind.) But it's also sure that they won't release so many BPOs that the hacs become really cheap. I just wait and relax. Maybe I'll also just post a 'cry me a river' on the day the new R&D system is ready. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
000Hunter000	Posted - 2006.02.06 18:04:00 - [75] Well i dunno, I want a cerb to run missions with cause it's a fun ship, but i'm not gonna fork 150 mill for it. The entire T2 market is whacked and we all know it, so yeah ur prolly better off with a BS/BC for the moment. Just a pitty though that i bought my first Cerb for less then 80 mill and now there almost double that price
spRAYed	Posted - 2006.02.06 18:14:00 - [76] !!OK I HEAR YA!! This is whats the Problem....Trevedian has 3 of those Yellow Cruiser BPO's and he's just not building any of them. Its all his Fault....blaim him! Or his corp! ----------------------------------------- WE PWN NEWBS
Oosel	Posted - 2006.02.06 18:18:00 - [77] ah so trev has them maybe he will feel sorry for me after releiving me of a nightmare the other day i will badger him and see if i get lucky lol
super4lt	Posted - 2006.02.06 19:04:00 - [78] Originally by: Pencheven however a new person to the game could generally stand a chance with a T1 ship in a fight (due to few T2 ships so mostly people flew T1) Yes. But EVE has evolved since then. Super4lt is here to let yall know what time it is
Imran	Posted - 2006.02.06 19:07:00 - [79] Edited by: Imran on 06/02/2006 19:10:10 oopsie. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
Imran	Posted - 2006.02.06 19:07:00 - [80] I gave up on hacs, just not worth it anymore. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful
The Ratfink	Posted - 2006.02.06 20:57:00 - [81] The Enslaver has a Zealot BPO he is so busy currently that he will only accept orders through in game convo's or eve-mail currently offering zealots for 70 mil 4 days delay
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:01:00 - [82] Yea. Contact 'The Enslaver' ingame for good prices on Cap Recharger IIs, Zealots, Ishtars, Vagabonds and various other Tech2 Ships and Modules!
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:01:00 - [83] I hate people. -------- Shinra Director
Darth Vroevl	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:08:00 - [84] Originally by: The Enslaver I hate people. You just dont know how to cook them properly.
Crusher166	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:12:00 - [85] Edited by: Crusher166 on 06/02/2006 21:15:52 Originally by: The Enslaver I hate people. i know what you did enslaver, i know. I hope your not telling a little fib about being "not hostile".
Zysco	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Yea. best sig ever.
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:22:00 - [87] The mail spam. -------- Shinra Director
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:26:00 - [88] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Well i dunno, I want a cerb to run missions with cause it's a fun ship, but i'm not gonna fork 150 mill for it. The entire T2 market is whacked and we all know it, so yeah ur prolly better off with a BS/BC for the moment. Just a pitty though that i bought my first Cerb for less then 80 mill and now there almost double that price Same exact situation for me. I lost my Cerberus because I made a stupid mistake (not scouting out a new RMR mission). The one I lost had cost me 80 million. At the time I lost my Cerberus, the prices had already climbed to 120 million and they now seem to be going up every week. Considering my playstyle doesn't let me recuperate that kind of cash quickly, I haven't replaced it yet. There is obviously a problem with supply here. The question is not whether everyone should be ALLOWED to get a t2 ship. If you have the money for one and the skills to fly it, nothing should prevent you from getting one. What makes the current situation insane is that now people are afraid to use them because they know how expensive they are. I see faction cruisers on escrow for 60-70 million a piece (ie Gila) and Cerberii for 165+ million. There was a time when faction ships were rarer and pricier. They dont even have BPOs FFS! I hope that CCP releases more BPOs for these ships. There are a lot more players now than there were when they came out, and they are ALL entitled to fly one of these ships if they have the skills and money. They should NOT have to wait several months in line with the few producers who "generously" sell to non-alliance folk. I can see the tactical thinking in alliances keeping t2 BPOs within their alliance and I would probably think the same way in their position. That said, t2 ships have become something they should not be; a rare expensive ship that's considered irreplaceable. The fact that BPOs were released eliminates the rare and irreplaceable part, otherwise they would have been limited run BPCs dished out irregularly. The only thing it SHOULD be is expensive.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:32:00 - [89] i blame the carebares buying them to run missions and more the carebares that loose them killing stupid rats but i have seen a price drop recently in the hac market. probably to do with the new t2 bc which the agent *****s seem to be going for and the new recons which more pvpers are going for over the hacs.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:34:00 - [90] Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised.
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw?
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:53:00 - [92] Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. Contact 'The Enslaver' ingame for good prices on Cap Recharger IIs, Zealots, Ishtars, Vagabonds and various other Tech2 Ships and Modules!**
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:01:00 - [93] Edited by: Gronsak on 06/02/2006 22:02:02 Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw? pvp and npcing what else is there. well apart from sitting in it spining it in the station
Erik Pathfinder	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:08:00 - [94] Originally by: Gronsak Edited by: Gronsak on 06/02/2006 22:02:02 Originally by: Erik Pathfinder Originally by: Gronsak Originally by: Bear grrr COME on CCP release more bpo's definitly no i dont want to see hacs drop to 50mils isk a piece. or everyone and his mother will be flying one. they are specilised ratting/pvp tools and need to stay more then 150mils to continue being specilised. I don't see any official statements from CCP indicating that HACs are meant solely for 0.0 ratting and PvP. Get off the "carebear playstyle is t3h invalid!" horse, would ya? Cool ships and items are not for PvPers only. Where do you think you get your Navy Raven from btw? pvp and npcing what else is there. well apart from sitting in it spining it in the station Ah okay, I guess you left out the NPC part in the earlier post then? My apoligies if we agree then.
Gronsak	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:08:00 - [95] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. trust me they are lost in npcing. i know of many times ppl have lost them npcing. and yes i agree it is retarded but it does happen. i agree they are great npcing toys but as pvp toys they suck compaired to BS. but i want them to stay expensive. t2 is ment to be rare and expensive. but i just hate the part of all the isk going to someone who does in compairision very little to earn it. make the build cost of hacs 150mils isk and seed the mofo prints into npc agents. then im 100% happy. expensive and the isk doesnt go to some rich t2 bpo hogger and fyi its the npcers that cry for cheap hacs ffs. pvpers tend to understand that it would be retarded if a hac was 50mils isk since then everyone would be in hacs and that would be a bit **.
Pencheven	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:42:00 - [96] Edited by: Pencheven on 07/02/2006 16:42:31 I understand what you mean that EVE has evolved, it would be nice if they were more available, granted even IÆm not happy with the idea they should be rear and expensive, I bought my Zealot when they first started coming out at the price of 70mill and still havenÆt lost it. I have trained "one hell of allot" to specialize in my shiny HAC and it does make me cry at the thought of around 200 mill to replace it with nothing back when it pops, no insurance. Its an expensive toy, and unfortunately it does make me squeal at the thought of losing it, which makes me lean to not using it in pvp excursions. If you do only have 1 account like myself, income is very hard to come round and 200mill is allot to me, so id defiantly like it if they went round at 50mill which is the price im guessing CCP would think a ship should go for (due to the build prices and insurance) However likes its been discussed, this is a game with a player interactive market which means alliances which hold the T2 BPO's control the prices. You could say a system like this is realistic, however a monopoly like this can be bad if your not apart of that alliance. I think it could be a good thing if they released more BPC's of HAC's and T2 items in general (a few runs or even just one per BPC) not only in a research system, but in agent missions aswell.. Just some more thoughts.. My EVE Movie { Empire War }
Uther Doull	Posted - 2006.02.07 16:56:00 - [97] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Point is that these ships are lost in PvP, but never in NPCing. Anyone losing a HAC in a lvl4 / Commander Spawn / Officer Spawn / Complex is a complete retard. An Ishtar can pretty much kill an Officer spawn while AFK. I'd know, coz it happened to me. HACs are overpowered pieces of ** for NPCing, whereas theyre approaching a state of balance for PvP. No high-horse nonsense, were just better then you. now you** win a Heineken i'm keeping the Amstel though cus it's better --------------------------- My opinions are my own and not nessecarily those of my corp or alliance.
Khatred	Posted - 2006.02.07 17:12:00 - [98] OMG, I like missed this thread? _______________________________________________ Every time you whine a little HAC is destroyed. Please think of the little HACs
eLLioTT wave	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:19:00 - [99] LOL you people make me laugh. This is a player driven market. Which means its very comparable to real life markets. For example lets look at the stock market. A share is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If someone buys all the shares of a company and doesnt want to sell any to anyone then no one can buy any. What you think should be the case - counts for jack all in real life and this comes across in eve because it is largely player driven. If no one pays 150million for a hac then the price will drop as builders and owners looking to sell become more desperate. The demand has fallen and therefore the supply and price will decrease. You think because a Porsche is cool everyone should be able to afford one? You think they should make more Porsches so that the prices go down so you can afford them or start a collection of them? HACs are T2!!! T2 is not supposed to be affordable and for everyone! they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue!
K5K AnimalMother	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:28:00 - [100] Zealot = Mining in style.
Q'unt	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:31:00 - [101] Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now
Uggster	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:31:00 - [102] I bought one, no 2, maybe 3 the other day and then remembered that I cant fly them so I reproed them. JUST SO REAL ZEALOT PILOTS CANT HAVE THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111110ne0ne0ne0ne3l3van3l34anelevaneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn hahahaha
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:34:00 - [103] Originally by: Q'unt Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now Err yes, thats exactly what he said. Although you're wrong, they cost alot less then half of the current market prices to build. OMG TEH PINK!1 - Imaran LOOK MA, IM BIGGER THEN THE EVIL MOD!!1
St Dragon	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:37:00 - [104] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Originally by: Q'unt Originally by: eLLioTT wave LOL you people make me laugh. they cost 150 million because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AT THE MOMENT Tip: Get a clue! Actually this is not true to make one costs a lot less its just that people are now willing to pay double the price right now Err yes, thats exactly what he said. Although you're wrong, they cost alot less then half of the current market prices to build. Heh fare enough. Less than halph you say well it really is chriminal right now ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Corb	Posted - 2006.02.07 18:37:00 - [105] lol..They cost around 38mil to build. ...wonder how I know that....

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