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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2013.10.29 23:45:00 -
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Of course they haven't submitted code and here's why:
2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA)
It's just strait up banned in some countries and gets you blocked.
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Cuddle Monster
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective
STR8NGE BREW
3
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Posted - 2013.10.29 23:54:00 -
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So because they have a working and legal up until today business model they are scammers? Don't give me BS about how they got special treatment as they haven't. Reid was able to use the same system to make over $600 for herself. Just because a mechanic is in place and is used in a way that CCP deems acceptable doesn't mean they are doing wrong. Reid drove home the flaw in their policy and opened the floodgates so they shut it down.
blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous.
Panama thing is a layer of protection a person and service like SOMER needs! This game brings crazies out of the woodwork! CloudFlare is a CDN. For those less informed, it caches web assets on servers that are geographically close to your area of the world to make website requests extraordinarily fast. Those of you who actually use SOMER's service know that this is a necessity for their operation to make it as fluid and fast as the site is.
This community really needs more drama already, this story is beyond tired. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1156
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Posted - 2013.10.29 23:54:00 -
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Mens Barviainen wrote:Not posting with my main because reasons.  The question is: has SomerBLINK ever had its systems reviewed by a reputable source?
Hah! Gamblers, the ultimate suckers.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
287
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Posted - 2013.10.30 00:03:00 -
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Cuddle Monster wrote:blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous
The big problem came when CCP started 'giving' them things re: creating assets out of thin air, ingame to raffle and lotto and promote the site, thus promoting clickthroughs and real life profits.
This was the worst thing they could do given that Somer himself seems to be pretty tight with CCP to begin with judging by his twitter. It looks like cronie ism
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Cuddle Monster
Schwarzschild Casimir Collective
STR8NGE BREW
3
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Posted - 2013.10.30 00:12:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Cuddle Monster wrote:blink has spent a lot of time, energy, and money in their service. When you are good at what you do especially when the premise of your success is so simple you will always have haters that are jealous The big problem came when CCP started 'giving' them things re: creating assets out of thin air, ingame to raffle and lotto and promote the site, thus promoting clickthroughs and real life profits. This was the worst thing they could do given that Somer himself seems to be pretty tight with CCP to begin with judging by his twitter. It looks like cronie ism
While I see what you are saying and can understand it, I would argue that from CCP's perspective blink makes perfect sense to distribute these goods. They are one of the most trafficked sites of the EVE third parties. Their business is raffling off goods to users, and have an excellent track record with paying up on their promises. That all said there are other raffle sites but none that have the traction of blink. So giving them the EVE Vegas trip, CE boxes, etc just makes logical sense in my mind.
The employee rewards OK I can kind of see something here but as CCP cleared up those watch scorps were never marketed as set run items and from what I understand have been given to other entities as rewards for helping CCP with events etc in the past as well.
Maybe I am just weird but I don't feel wronged by either CCP or SOMER and still support both. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2756
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Posted - 2013.10.30 00:18:00 -
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Why would Somer cheat?
They make their isk by you gambling there.
And unlike a casino, where you play against the house, and has a motive for rigging outcomes, Blink operates as a lotto, where the prize pool is completely covered by the lotto entrants, and they just take a cut off the top.
They are a huge success, pulling 10% off the top of every blink. Every future blink just makes them wealthier, so they don't need to rig lottery's to make oodles of isk, nor would it be in their interests.
And as for "submitting code for review". To be honest, the threat you should worry about is someone hacking the blink site and screwing with it. Submitting code "for review" is far more apt to result in a hack risk, and not worth the risk.
Finally, Random number generators are Random. Next you'll be bitching that your last 100 invention jobs only gave you 10 successes when it should statistically be 40, or some such bullshit. This really is a lotto, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Deal with it, or don't blink. (p.s. in the long run, lottos are a tax on the mathematically inept).
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Leigh Akiga
State War Academy
Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2013.10.30 00:27:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
They make their isk by you gambling there
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.
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Tauranon
Weeesearch
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
295
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:04:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
They make their isk by you gambling there
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money. Isk is disposable and useless to Somer and his friends, they give it away like candy to take your eye away from the real deal which is the affiliate percentage they receive from GTC. The trillions and quadrillions of isk is a smokescreen.
Until someone identifies that the margin given to somers reseller is different from the margin given to any other reseller, I'm going to have to stand on a giant pile meh, surrounded by other piles of meh, physically located on a mountain of meh, in a shitstorm of meh, with a weather forecast of meh weather for the next 6 months, on a world made from meh, and say meh.
ie we are literally debating whether google, another well known non-tax-paying entity with its corporate headquarters in a tax haven should get the advertising slice or whether somer should.
and yes, somer's game is rigged. lol@punters. they do it here with real money with the TAB despite it having a 14% house margin, how stupid can you get. oh look horses!
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Ghost Phius
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:09:00 -
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Looks like the entire hot mess is coming to an end within the next ten days. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
565
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:18:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
I can think of a 135,000 reasons. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
1568
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:20:00 -
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Leigh Akiga wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
They make their isk by you gambling there
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
I can think of a 135,000 reasons.
Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.
:logic: |
Ace Boogi
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:25:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.
:logic:
yes, people lose all their isk blinking, so they buy more, and especially if it gives them an extra 200mil in credit. plex were only 500mil until recently, so that's a huge ******* bonus compared to just buying GTC from somewhere else. i know a lot of people who buy their GTC through Somer's link, and they don't do it out of altruism, they do it for the free isk.
on the other hand... saying that Somer has no reason to cheat or steal because they are making a huge profit... that's pretty ******* fail logic if ever i've seen any.
look at the corporations around you, they take in ludicrous amounts yet still raise prices and shaft their employees, even when making record profits.... hmmmm, kinda like Somer... making $4-7k a month apparently and only paying their employees a plex per month...
yeah, very realistic to expect fairness out of a casino that exploits it's own employees  |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
565
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:06:00 -
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Abdiel Kavash wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
They make their isk by you gambling there
Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money. Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
I can think of a 135,000 reasons. Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them. :logic:
Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.
:you're a dummy:
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MonkeyMagic Thiesant
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
2
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:21:00 -
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No need for them to cheat - they have something like an 80% payout. That's insanely bad, an absolutel license to print money. |
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
176
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:23:00 -
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Quote: Again- this is not about isk. No one has any problem with Somer making isk ingame. This is about real life money.
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
Why would Somer cheat?
I can think of a 135,000 reasons.
Yeah because rigging their website would get more people to buy GTCs from them.
:logic:[/quote]
Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.
:you're a dummy:
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And your equating blink with RL casino's is about the same as equating suicide gankers with RL terrorists.
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5010
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:32:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Mhmmm and a casino doesn't need oversight and regulations because they wouldn't load dice, rig money wheels, etc...that would cause less people to play. Oh, wait...they have some of the toughest rules in business and for a very good reason.
:you're a dummy:
Toshiroma McDiesel wrote:
And your equating blink with RL casino's is about the same as equating suicide gankers with RL terrorists.
Yeah that's pretty dumb, blink isn't regulated
Wait no, we have ccp's assurances that they are honest and a great community service provider. Doesn't that solve all your misgivings about these good honest people.
There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Jasmine Assasin
State War Academy
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:43:00 -
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I'm sick and tired of hearing about stupid people and their problems with blink. If you don't like them then don't use their site. Pretty simple.
I like to gamble and so I shall continue to do so regardless of the EVE armchair lawyers. |
Toshiroma McDiesel
Lupus Draconis
Dragehund
176
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Posted - 2013.10.30 02:45:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:
Wait no, we have ccp's assurances that they are honest and a great community service provider. Doesn't that solve all your misgivings about these good honest people.
About as much as CCP saying Jita Scammers are ok, I'm just getting a laugh out of these people that seem to be trying to turn it into a Federal Offence.
I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service. |
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
10
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:45:00 -
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I don't trust them. Never did, and never really will.
Gambling is a horrible way to make money unless it's rigged in your favor; and it's never rigged in your favor unless you're running the game. |
YesYes NoNoNo
Karmic Rebalance
21
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:48:00 -
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ITT people probably have no idea Somer made his initial fortune as a contract scammer. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1971
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:08:00 -
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ahem.
Do your research.
Blink isn't registered in Panama.
Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama.
http://www.whoisguard.com/
The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell.
That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
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Frying Doom
2931
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:19:00 -
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Jasmine Assasin wrote:I'm sick and tired of hearing about stupid people and their problems with blink. If you don't like them then don't use their site. Pretty simple.
I like to gamble and so I shall continue to do so regardless of the EVE armchair lawyers.
Or alternatively you could bugger off and not use the forums
Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Frying Doom
2931
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:24:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:ahem. Do your research. Blink isn't registered in Panama. Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama. http://www.whoisguard.com/The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell. That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee.
I stand corrected
So instead we have a business registered: Unknown
Hosted in: Unknown
Controlled by the Gambling laws of: Unknown
Protected by: A Panama Company
That is so much better.
Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1971
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:35:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:ahem. Do your research. Blink isn't registered in Panama. Blink is using a whois protection service, who are registered in panama. http://www.whoisguard.com/The details on Whois have to be accurate, for a way to get in contact with the owner of the domain. However, they can be the details of a company that will forward relevant emails and mail to the actual owner, so the owner doesn't get spammed to hell. That's what's happened here. It's far from unusual. iirc, it's normally a couple of bucks on top of the normal domain registration fee. I stand corrected So instead we have a business registered: Unknown Hosted in: Unknown Controlled by the Gambling laws of: Unknown Protected by: A Panama Company That is so much better.
The joys of :tinfoil:
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
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Frying Doom
2932
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:45:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:The joys of :tinfoil:
Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries.
So please as you are enlightened, please tell me
Where Somer Blink is registered for Business?
Where are its servers are located?
What jurisdictions are involved with its websites?
What country does it pay income tax in?
You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business.
Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.
Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
9909
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Posted - 2013.10.30 06:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The joys of :tinfoil: Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries. So please as you are enlightened, please tell me Where Somer Blink is registered for Business? Where are its servers are located? What jurisdictions are involved with its websites? What country does it pay income tax in? You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business. Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.
If one cannot be found, they don't have to pay taxes, if IRS (assuming he is US) don't see the transactions there's no need to pay taxes.
Whois-protection is common and used for both legit and non-legit reasons, cloudflare and similar services are used for both legit and non-legit reasons (the latter usually resulting in services disabled when found).
Offshore accounts with linked CC is a good way to avoid taxes, smaller transactions over time the same thing.
Obviously he may very well be a total legit real company paying taxes etc on the income, but I have my doubts about pixel play fun...
Must say it's unusual quiet from their side atm though, usually they respond to all kind of omg-scam and whatnot threads created about them...
/c
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1971
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The joys of :tinfoil: Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries. So please as you are enlightened, please tell me Where Somer Blink is registered for Business? Where are its servers are located? What jurisdictions are involved with its websites? What country does it pay income tax in? You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business. Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find.
Uh, whois blocking has /nothing/ to do with adhering to any laws. So that's a strawman right there. Where ever I've registered domain names, there's generally been a tickbox for whois protection when I've done it. And because everyone loves throwing numbers out there, at work I'm managing around 800 domains, because my bosses just love ring fencing their brands. Thank god that we've been able to get them to reduce it from the 1400 odd it used to be. Intra-business billing ftw.
As for the rest of it, I couldn't say. Though I can say that Markee Dragon, at least for most affiliates, pays through paypal. And if you want to take any significant quantity of money out of paypal, you're going to be registered as a business with them.
The website itself, well, I'd be surprised if it's registered as a business. As it, itself, doesn't make any money. All the money comes from affiliate payments, direct to Somer. Who should be paying income tax, as with any payment, on it.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
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Frying Doom
2932
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:42:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The joys of :tinfoil: Actually having run hundreds of web sites I have never used such a service as my customer base was located within the USA, I had to adhere to US laws as well as the laws of various other countries. So please as you are enlightened, please tell me Where Somer Blink is registered for Business? Where are its servers are located? What jurisdictions are involved with its websites? What country does it pay income tax in? You know the easy to answer questions of any reputable business. Somers pages do not even contain a copyright warning that I could find. Uh, whois blocking has /nothing/ to do with adhering to any laws. So that's a strawman right there. Where ever I've registered domain names, there's generally been a tickbox for whois protection when I've done it. And because everyone loves throwing numbers out there, at work I'm managing around 800 domains, because my bosses just love ring fencing their brands. Thank god that we've been able to get them to reduce it from the 1400 odd it used to be. Intra-business billing ftw. As for the rest of it, I couldn't say. Though I can say that Markee Dragon, at least for most affiliates, pays through paypal. And if you want to take any significant quantity of money out of paypal, you're going to be registered as a business with them. The website itself, well, I'd be surprised if it's registered as a business. As it, itself, doesn't make any money. All the money comes from affiliate payments, direct to Somer. Who should be paying income tax, as with any payment, on it.
Actually Transparency has everything to do with adhering to laws, for example Somer may or may not be breaching the laws as to where its servers are located. No one can tell as all of the details are hidden.
But here is the big one, can you find a reputable gambling site, that is not hosted offshore, with all of its details so well hidden?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1971
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:58:00 -
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I like that 'that is not hosted offshore' restriction. Also the 'reputable', which is fairly easy for you to discount anything you want to.
Because you'll find that most online gambling isn't hosted in the US, because your laws aren't conducive to it.
But looking a a few (ignoring that restriction) I find FULLTILTPOKER.COM uses it, for example.
Totally aside from that, you're comparing a full up business, with something run by (real world side) one person.
Steve Ronuken for CSM 9!-á I'm starting early :)
Handy tools and an SDE conversion
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Alt Two
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:18:00 -
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I wonder if CloudFlare are aware that they are hosting an unregulated gambling website? As an American company wouldn't they have pretty strict laws against that? |
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