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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:43:00 -
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Have fun siphoning all the moons in eve. 
There are what, thousands of null and lowsec systems with dozens of planets, most with multiple moons. There's a reason dyspro, neo, and prom are expensive, and the other dozen and a half are dirt cheap by comparison. You start siphoning cobalt, no one will give a rats ass because unoccupied cobalt moons are a dime a dozen. Have fun siphoning them all. Also, it will take days for your siphons just to break even. And you'll have to visit each and every single one every single day and replace them every so often. Not even Goons hate themselves that much, although please feel free to prove me wrong.
No one is going to do that, certainly not for cobalt moons and the like.
On the other hand, you make bank siphoning dyspro, neo, and prom in a a matter of hours.
Geee, I wonder which entities fought a war in a region with truckloads of dyspro moons recently, and which entity keeps shiptoasting in every single siphon thread. :tinfoil: |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
459
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:51:00 -
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My Little Pyongyang wrote:Outside of WiS lolcarna I've never seen such a negative response from the established entities in eve. Goons crying about siphons, PL crying about warp mechanics, this expansion is going to be grand. QFT. 
Mara Rinn wrote:
Certainly makes it more attractive to siphon the more valuable and less abundant moon goo.
Hell, the goons can siphon every other moon in the game as long as I can siphon me their dyspro, prom, and neo.  |

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
933
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:54:00 -
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Posting in a stealth pissed that the new marauder changes **** with our null mission bots thread. You can drink milk without drinking chocklate milk, but you can't drink choclate milk without drinking milk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bHLdYVELWrQ
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Liafcipe9000
Frankenmouse Inc Frankenmouse
12354
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:57:00 -
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has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase There ain't no rest for the wicked >:D
This space for rent.
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Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:58:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Have fun siphoning all the moons in eve.  There are what, thousands of null and lowsec systems with dozens of planets, most with multiple moons. There's a reason dyspro, neo, and prom are expensive, and the other dozen and a half are dirt cheap by comparison. You start siphoning cobalt, no one will give a rats ass because unoccupied cobalt moons are a dime a dozen. Have fun siphoning them all. Also, it will take days for your siphons just to break even. And you'll have to visit each and every single one every single day and replace them every so often. Not even Goons hate themselves that much, although please feel free to prove me wrong.No one is going to do that, certainly not for cobalt moons and the like. On the other hand, you make bank siphoning dyspro, neo, and prom in a a matter of hours.Geee, I wonder which entities fought a war in a region with truckloads of dyspro moons recently, and which entity keeps shiptoasting in every single siphon thread. :tinfoil:
Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous. |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:00:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:
Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous.
Goons: "We'll steal all your dirt!" Everyone Else: "K mate, we'll just help ourselves to some of your gold."
Like I said, you can siphon all of the other moons in the game, as long as I can siphon your dispro, neo, and prom.  |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4406
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:01:00 -
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Hold on. Let me check my Box of Care. Oh damn. Yeah it looks like it is empty. Sorry about that.  . |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:04:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Hold on. Let me check my Box of Care. Oh damn. Yeah it looks like it is empty. Sorry about that. 
oh good I was wondering when the resident nullsec special needs advisor would show up to post
Please, tell us some more about how siphons will work how CCP envisions them. |

Prince Kobol
1066
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:05:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mara Tessidar wrote:
Certainly no one has accurate maps of every moon in Eve after the latest changes. Certainly not. That would be ridiculous.
Goons: "We'll steal all your dirt!" Everyone Else: "K mate, we'll just help ourselves to some of your gold." Like I said, you can siphon all of the other moons in the game, as long as I can siphon your dispro, neo, and prom. 
Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is you wont.
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PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:09:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is you wont.
You're wrong, as usual.  |
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Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
137
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:09:00 -
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Im liking the idea of......
FC "ok guys we have 300 tengus and multiple support ships on this gate"
FC "ok incoming blob, drop bubbles"
FC "Right they are jumping.... fire at will!!!"
FC "oh **** where they go"
SC "Sorry FC they came through us and now there 3 jumps away all in interceptors" 
I think theres going to be lots and lots of angry FC's. Nom Nom
Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek
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Prince Kobol
1067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:10:00 -
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Like I said before.. the impact of these unit on any null sec alliance with a decent TZ coverage will be minimal.
The damage they will do to those small corps with towers in low sec will be huge.
Most people haven't a clue about moon goo so they will just blindly throw siphons on any tower they find since they are so cheap.
Many people will simply stop bothering with their towers and there goes another small advantage LS has over HS. |

Prince Kobol
1067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:11:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is you wont.
You're wrong, as usual. 
Nope.. |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:14:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:You're wrong, as usual. 
Just like how we were wrong about tech. Just like how we were wrong about faction warfare. Just like how we were wrong about supercapitals. Just like how we were wrong about PI goods.
Yeah. So, so wrong. |

Mhax Arthie
159
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:15:00 -
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I agree that Rubicon would be called a patch in any other mmo, only in EVE is called expansion for some weird reason.
But also I have to ask.. what's wrong in taking stuff from the rich and give it to people in need?! I thought that BoB attitude was bad. Anyway, many Brave people will be very happy in a couple of weeks....nom, nom.... shinnnnnyyyy!!1! |

Prince Kobol
1067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:18:00 -
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Mhax Arthie wrote:I agree that Rubicon would be called a patch in any other mmo, only in EVE is called expansion for some weird reason.
But also I have to ask.. what's wrong in taking stuff from the rich and give it to people in need?! I thought that BoB attitude was bad. Anyway, many Brave people will be very happy in a couple of weeks....nom, nom.... shinnnnnyyyy!!1!
Learn to read..
There will be no taking from the rich.
There will only be the rich getting richer and the small getting kicked in the balls |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:28:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Like I said before.. the impact of these unit on any null sec alliance with a decent TZ coverage will be minimal.
Yes, every alliance will have a 24/7/365 moon patrol that will watch each and every single one of their moons. Constant vigilance in every corner of the null bloc's space will be the word of the day. 
Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is it wont.  |

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:30:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Mhax Arthie wrote:I agree that Rubicon would be called a patch in any other mmo, only in EVE is called expansion for some weird reason.
But also I have to ask.. what's wrong in taking stuff from the rich and give it to people in need?! I thought that BoB attitude was bad. Anyway, many Brave people will be very happy in a couple of weeks....nom, nom.... shinnnnnyyyy!!1! Learn to read.. There will be no taking from the rich. There will only be the rich getting richer and the small getting kicked in the balls
oki, systems need to be traveled and mapped out, what makes you think its already not been done ?, most null systems ewen with valuable assets, IS empty, simply couse the big ones, if attacked, gets warning, muster fleet and respond... Now we face a new situation, these people need to activly , check their assets and the moons, they need to be patroled, checked, it will be hours upon hours of dread, i kind of piety those that have to do this, while people that have no assets can take a cloaked ship and just leave and check in once in awhile and see traffick, and when calm drop a siphon, the difrence is i know when i move, while those having to defend against it, have to make people do hours upon hours of boring work in empty space, the silence is a killer, so ya if its done, well then those people alot aint doing anything else, excpept patroling empty space, im sure they will be thrilled, and people like me in CAS, i have absolutly nothing to loose, we have no assets, and ewen if cought, with hand in sweet jar, well, so what, fun fight and a scrap bucket lost, its not like it cant be repalced anyway... BUT
what i dont get is, some of null and low sec people been crying to get more people out in null and low, isent this exactly what it does ? |

Prince Kobol
1067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:32:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Like I said before.. the impact of these unit on any null sec alliance with a decent TZ coverage will be minimal.
Yes, every alliance will have a 24/7/365 moon patrol that will watch each and every single one of their moons. Constant vigilance in every corner of the null bloc's space will be the word of the day.  Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is it wont. 
Do you even live in null, have you ever been in null?
Its not like every alliance is going to need 1000's of players watching their moon. Christ a couple of guys in each TZ is going to be enough.
After a few weeks of people wasting their isk on siphon units and losing their ships when they try to collect it they will simply stop.
Also when you place your siphon unit.. how do you intend on getting the product out?
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
20
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:33:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote: I think you should leave the question of "what's going to happen to moon mineral prices if the supply is disrupted by x amount" to the people who understand how moon minerals actually work. People like Mynnna and Aryth, for example.
Arghh! This game is getting to be like RL. Run by politicians and accountants. |
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Prince Kobol
1067
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:33:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Mhax Arthie wrote:I agree that Rubicon would be called a patch in any other mmo, only in EVE is called expansion for some weird reason.
But also I have to ask.. what's wrong in taking stuff from the rich and give it to people in need?! I thought that BoB attitude was bad. Anyway, many Brave people will be very happy in a couple of weeks....nom, nom.... shinnnnnyyyy!!1! Learn to read.. There will be no taking from the rich. There will only be the rich getting richer and the small getting kicked in the balls oki, systems need to be traveled and mapped out, what makes you think its already not been done ?, most null systems ewen with valuable assets, IS empty, simply couse the big ones, if attacked, gets warning, muster fleet and respond... Now we face a new situation, these people need to activly , check their assets and the moons, they need to be patroled, checked, it will be hours upon hours of dread, i kind of piety those that have to do this, while people that have no assets can take a cloaked ship and just leave and check in once in awhile and see traffick, and when calm drop a siphon, the difrence is i know when i move, while those having to defend against it, have to make people do hours upon hours of boring work in empty space, the silence is a killer, so ya if its done, well then those people alot aint doing anything else, excpept patroling empty space, im sure they will be thrilled, and people like me in CAS, i have absolutly nothing to loose, we have no assets, and ewen if cought, with hand in sweet jar, well, so what, fun fight and a scrap bucket lost, its not like it cant be repalced anyway... BUT what i dont get is, some of null and low sec people been crying to get more people out in null and low, isent this exactly what it does ?
Any chance of a few paragraphs?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9315
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:34:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Like I said before.. the impact of these unit on any null sec alliance with a decent TZ coverage will be minimal.
Yes, every alliance will have a 24/7/365 moon patrol that will watch each and every single one of their moons. Constant vigilance in every corner of the null bloc's space will be the word of the day.  Which will not happen, I mean you can say it over and over again but fact is it wont. 
You don't need constant eyes on every moon in your space. You simply have somebody scout them once in a while. Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:36:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Fey Ivory wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Mhax Arthie wrote:I agree that Rubicon would be called a patch in any other mmo, only in EVE is called expansion for some weird reason.
But also I have to ask.. what's wrong in taking stuff from the rich and give it to people in need?! I thought that BoB attitude was bad. Anyway, many Brave people will be very happy in a couple of weeks....nom, nom.... shinnnnnyyyy!!1! Learn to read.. There will be no taking from the rich. There will only be the rich getting richer and the small getting kicked in the balls oki, systems need to be traveled and mapped out, what makes you think its already not been done ?, most null systems ewen with valuable assets, IS empty, simply couse the big ones, if attacked, gets warning, muster fleet and respond... Now we face a new situation, these people need to activly , check their assets and the moons, they need to be patroled, checked, it will be hours upon hours of dread, i kind of piety those that have to do this, while people that have no assets can take a cloaked ship and just leave and check in once in awhile and see traffick, and when calm drop a siphon, the difrence is i know when i move, while those having to defend against it, have to make people do hours upon hours of boring work in empty space, the silence is a killer, so ya if its done, well then those people alot aint doing anything else, excpept patroling empty space, im sure they will be thrilled, and people like me in CAS, i have absolutly nothing to loose, we have no assets, and ewen if cought, with hand in sweet jar, well, so what, fun fight and a scrap bucket lost, its not like it cant be repalced anyway... BUT what i dont get is, some of null and low sec people been crying to get more people out in null and low, isent this exactly what it does ? Any chance of a few paragraphs?
apologice, my main laguage isent english, so take it for what it is, i think most inteligent beings can decipher and get what i mean |

Karak Terrel
As Far As The eYe can see Chained Reactions
454
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:37:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:Anomaly One wrote: So disrupting low operations raises prices more than disrupting larger, more profitable operations?
I think you should leave the question of "what's going to happen to moon mineral prices if the supply is disrupted by x amount" to the people who understand how moon minerals actually work. People like Mynnna and Aryth, for example. This "t2 prices will explode" is pretty much the same line of reasoning whining the afk miners use to defend their afk income. The broken thing here are this afk gold mines and it is about time something happens, even if it's a very very small thing like this siphons that will probably have no impact anyway. |

PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
462
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Christ a couple of guys in each TZ is going to be enough.
Yes, a couple of guys will keep track of all the moons in fountain alone. Yup. Mhmmm. I think we're done here.  |

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3369
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:39:00 -
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Where are these fabled gold mines? |

Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
573
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:40:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Christ a couple of guys in each TZ is going to be enough.
Yes, a couple of guys will keep track of all the moons in fountain alone. Yup. Mhmmm. I think we're done here. 
****, more pos ops....... |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:48:00 -
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Jake Warbird wrote:Where are these fabled gold mines?
It's tech, man, haven't you heard how much money we're making with them these days?
Of course, lost in all the noise generated between "people who own moons" and "people who think they know what owning moons is like" is the fact that the rest of this expansion is so light on game content it's like spreading fat-free mayonnaise on the sandwich of Eve. |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
4208
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Christ a couple of guys in each TZ is going to be enough.
Yes, a couple of guys will keep track of all the moons worth siphoning in fountain alone. Yup. Mhmmm. I think we're done here. 
FTFY
Heck, the alliance could simply offer a token bounty for every siphon unit blown up in their space, that will keep the bored null sec sheep occupied while their favourite FC isn't online.
The best possible time to run siphon units will probably be West Coast USA prime. Good luck with that. At least small organised groups of black ops will have a chance of achieving something: not sure how a few minutes of siphoning dyspro here and there is going to compare to button-spinning in faction warfare though.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
936
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:49:00 -
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Bonus question: how long will it take a Rubicon-speed interceptor with warp rigs to check all the major celestials in a given system in Deklein for siphons using directional scanner? |
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