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John McCreedy	Posted - 2006.02.06 21:52:00 - [1] Okey dokey, seeing as the forum police saw fit to lock the previous thread and seeing as this is still going on, I'm going to try this again There is a Courier Mission being set from Jita to K-9UG4. This mission carries a collaterol of 25 Mil ISK. Problem is, K-9UG4 is deep inside 0.0 and specifically Ascendant Frontier space. As with all 0.0 Alliances, ASCN space is closed to people who do not have a +5.0 standing with us or have arranged a travel pass. Furthermore, you have to have a +10.0 standing to dock. So what does this mean? Well let us assume for a moment you make it through the 40 odd jumps of 0.0 space, dodging the numerous Pirate Corps and Alliances, and also assuming you dodge the ASCN pilots who are under orders to shoot anyone without the above standings, you'll not be able to dock and will loose your 25 million ISK. You can see it listed here. You cannot complete this mission. It's a scam. Please avoid it, spread the word and do not give the greifer the satisfaction of relieving you of your hard earned cash. Disclaimer: I do not make the rules, so do not shoot the messenger. Make a Difference
Aidar Magnus	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:05:00 - [2] Sigh... This mission just happened to one of our corp members... poor guy went 58 jumps to be robbed of his 10 mil, and get blown up by ASCN patrol... ( this was resolved and deemed a mistake :) ) ASCN nice enough to refund him of the lost ISK, and escort out of 0.0 space. respect
Kylania	Posted - 2006.02.06 22:45:00 - [3] Why don't you just accept the mission yourself? Problem solved and no need to keep reposting locked threads. -- Lil Miner
Ras Blumin	Posted - 2006.02.06 23:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Kylania Why don't you just accept the mission yourself? Problem solved and no need to keep reposting locked threads. Coz the scammer will just make a new mission. p - l - u - r My first vid
Colette Reynard	Posted - 2006.02.07 01:19:00 - [5] Forgive my n00bish ignorance, please, but...two questions. Do you have any warning upon entering such space? Any chance to retreat un-obliterated? Is all or almost all 0.0 space under the control of such alliances?
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 01:25:00 - [6] Originally by: Colette Reynard Forgive my n00bish ignorance, please, but...two questions. Do you have any warning upon entering such space? Any chance to retreat un-obliterated? Is all or almost all 0.0 space under the control of such alliances? 1. Alliance Map 2. Of course you have warning--all 0.0 systems are unnamed and have names like PF-346. Your map can show sec statuses also. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.07 03:29:00 - [7] Of course, it wouldn't be a scam if the courier wasn't denied entry into your space and blown up by you... but let's not worry about those little details. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
John McCreedy	Posted - 2006.02.07 23:14:00 - [8] Bump. Don't want you new guys loosing your 25 mill Make a Difference
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.07 23:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Of course, it wouldn't be a scam if the courier wasn't denied entry into your space and blown up by you... but let's not worry about those little details. Sure it would. They still would be unable to dock at the station. And don't expect them to let their enemies dock at their stations willy-nilly to resupply. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.08 03:45:00 - [10] I did mention the "denied entry" part, that kind of goes for the station, too. I don't expect them to allow their enemies to dock - I simply expect that people won't have this overly paranoid "everyone's my enemy!" attitude. Sure must be hard to keep a POS going if no one can use it... "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.08 05:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Corunna ElMan I did mention the "denied entry" part, that kind of goes for the station, too. I don't expect them to allow their enemies to dock - I simply expect that people won't have this overly paranoid "everyone's my enemy!" attitude. Sure must be hard to keep a POS going if no one can use it... Spoken like a true newb on how things work in 0.0 space. Player owned POS's and stations are only to be used by the alliance or corp who built them and only those close trusted friends can be granted access. Only ISS and the neutral alliances will allow non-alligned and NPC corp member pilots dock in their stations. The general rule with most alliances is still NBSI(Not Blue Shoot It).
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.08 06:29:00 - [12] That's all well and good, but let's not for a moment pretend that these people have no choice, no part in the problem, and are trying to HELP noobies by blowing them up with a 25M collateral in the hold. Yes, the warning's good - but it doesn't solve the problem, and it sounds like a bunch of posturing to me. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Skidd Chung	Posted - 2006.02.08 07:56:00 - [13] Actually, posting a warning is the best they can do to be honest. And should be commended for it. Most people aren't even bothered by it, and will have no sorrow for you losing 25mil by being ignorant about the shady deal. If an alliance were to take these matters personnally and keeps claiming those 40 odd jumps routes to complete it to save the some newbie who doesn't know better the trouble of being scammed, the scammer would just keep making those scams available because it is so popular. For a 1mil cost as a reward and a possible 25mil profit if the courier gets blown up in 0.0 which is quite common, it's a good deal. So best is to inform others of it to educate them of the existance of such scams, and to totally avoid it. --------------------------------------------- War does not determine who is right, only who is left. - Russell Bertrand -
Talori'i	Posted - 2006.02.08 09:00:00 - [14] I wish there was a way to find the player(s) responsible for tricking new players or generally just players ignorant of this problem.
Chaoskeeper	Posted - 2006.02.08 13:26:00 - [15] well, just accept the mission and you'll see to whom the 25mil flow to
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.02.08 14:32:00 - [16] Originally by: John McCreedy Bump. Don't want you new guys loosing your 25 mill I get 1 Million for doing it? Ah go on, let me accept it. Give me +10 standings and I'll split the 1 Million with you, and the scammer will be out of pocket.
Alexis DeTocqueville	Posted - 2006.02.08 14:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Kamui Shiro Only ISS and the neutral alliances will allow non-alligned and NPC corp member pilots dock in their stations. The general rule with most alliances is still NBSI(Not Blue Shoot It). And notice how well they're doing in terms of profits? You could take a hint, but that would be giving you too much credit intellectually.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.08 15:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Alexis DeTocqueville Originally by: Kamui Shiro Only ISS and the neutral alliances will allow non-alligned and NPC corp member pilots dock in their stations. The general rule with most alliances is still NBSI(Not Blue Shoot It). And notice how well they're doing in terms of profits? You could take a hint, but that would be giving you too much credit intellectually. They are perfectly entitled to run their space as they see fit. It is, after all, their space and they have gone to considerable lengths to secure it. When you and your corporation/alliance claim your own section of 0.0, you can also impose whatever access rights you see fit. Anyway, given that the OP is speaking from within an NBSI-driven alliance structure, there is little he can do apart from issue this friendly warning. He is not going to change the whole way his Alliance operates just because of a scam. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Malachon Draco	Posted - 2006.02.08 15:11:00 - [19] You can't expect an Alliance to change their policies for this. It could easily get exploited by other alliances for infiltration. Can't you make a blacklist somewhere for the worst offenders?
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.08 16:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Skidd Chung Actually, posting a warning is the best they can do to be honest. Actually, it's not. If they really want to show how powerful they are and how much they "care", they'd root out the scammers and take them down instead. But they honestly don't care - they aren't posting this warning out of the kindness of their hearts or their concern for fellow players, they're posturing. They're marking their territory and barking loud, but it's not with anyone else's interests in mind. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Skidd Chung Actually, posting a warning is the best they can do to be honest. Actually, it's not. If they really want to show how powerful they are and how much they "care", they'd root out the scammers and take them down instead. How do you expect them to get rid of an alt who stays in a station? Yelling loudly? -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Skidd Chung Actually, posting a warning is the best they can do to be honest. Actually, it's not. If they really want to show how powerful they are and how much they "care", they'd root out the scammers and take them down instead. But they honestly don't care - they aren't posting this warning out of the kindness of their hearts or their concern for fellow players, they're posturing. They're marking their territory and barking loud, but it's not with anyone else's interests in mind. Everyone knows their territory though, so why would they do that? Its already public information. Look at the Alliance rankings in-game, you will find ASCN at the top. We all know what space they claim, and that they operate an NBSI policy. New players dont though, so this well-intended warning is just that - a well intended warning. As if ASCN need to posture toward new players! LOL They are not going to change the way their Alliance is run just because of scammer, and they are perfectly entitled to run their claimed space however they wish. Don't like it? Then stop trolling the thread, get a fleet together, and invade. Good luck :p ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Gerbil Intaki	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Corunna ElMan But they honestly don't care - they aren't posting this warning out of the kindness of their hearts or their concern for fellow players, they're posturing. They're marking their territory and barking loud, but it's not with anyone else's interests in mind. If they didnt care then they wouldnt have posted the warning (several times now)
Buxaroo	Posted - 2006.02.08 17:38:00 - [24] What I don't get is if you can accumulate 25 million isk and give it up for collateral why in the hell would you do a courier mission for only a million payout? If you got that kind of isk then yuo can certainly have the skills and ship to take on rats in belts and get that 1 mil payout in no time flat. I was thinking of doing some courier missions when I started out but when I saw how much collateral it took and how many jumps it took....well with no BM to destination you are wasting a LOT of time that could be spent mining or rat hunting to make isk. Helll, now that I can tank and kill 2x lord admirals in under 5-7 minutes and get 1.5 mil each not to mention the loot.....even if the courier mission paid out 10 million it would not be worth the time to do. Only if it is for my corp or freindlies would I do the missions but not for something like that. . . . "No matter where you go, there you are."
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.08 18:01:00 - [25] Originally by: Butter Dog Everyone knows their territory though, so why would they do that? Well, if "everyone" knows, then this thread is just pointless posturing, now isn't it? Quote: New players dont though, so this well-intended warning is just that - a well intended warning. I'd hardly call anyone who can afford to invest 25 MILLION in collateral for a 1M return a "new player". Newbies don't venture 25 million and they sure don't make long trade runs into 0.0 - anyone who does such things is no "newbie" in my book. Given those things, the only purpose the original post CAN serve is posturing. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Simon Jax	Posted - 2006.02.08 18:23:00 - [26] Edited by: Simon Jax on 08/02/2006 18:23:49 Anyone who is willing to put up 25 million for a 1 million payoff for a 20+ jump Courier mission into 0.0 space ... ... is a ****ing n00b. No matter how many ISK or SP that person has. 25 mil isn't really that hard to make. And 1mil quick payout is actually fairly attractive. But unless that trip is a few short jumps, or in Empire space, or can be done in a small, fast, well equipped vessel ... one would have to be rather dense to take it. So, given that such a person obviously has nary a clue how EVE works ... and no clue how 0.0 space works ... and has such poor math skills that a 3-hour trip for a 1 mil payout after putting down 25 mil sounds "lucrative" yield ... they damn well should be reading up on this forum and therefore it is not posturing. Why would they waste time rooting out the scammer? How would they even do it if said scammer just sits in station, and alt, fed isk or items to post the escrows and such (which takes 0 sp to speak of)? How does destroying n00b's effect them negatively? So, they post a friendly warning of a scam that some people have obviously been duped by. The "everybody knows ASCN" space thing is BS. I did't know what was ASCN space until John posted his message the first time. However, I also don't expect to fly through any Alliance's territory without significant risk. --Wherever you go, there you are.
Sapha	Posted - 2006.02.08 19:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Butter Dog Everyone knows their territory though, so why would they do that? Well, if "everyone" knows, then this thread is just pointless posturing, now isn't it? Its not really posturing mate - In 0.0, because you can be shot by anyone at anytime it makes people less willing to trust anyone they dont know. When someone enters a system that is not "friendly" they need to be concidered hostile for one's own saftey and the safety of his mates. There are a lot of people who know this...these people are the ones who have been in 0.0 space before. People excepting the mission aren't noobs in that they are new to the game but new to 0.0 space and dont have the experience there. This post is to inform those who haven't the experience in that space. To put out a formal warning to all those who are thinking about accepting a mission that will more then likely end in their death and loss of cargo. S-A-P-H-A Oh God it burns!
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.08 19:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 08/02/2006 19:57:12 Originally by: Simon Jax So, given that such a person obviously has nary a clue how EVE works ... and no clue how 0.0 space works ... and has such poor math skills that a 3-hour trip for a 1 mil payout after putting down 25 mil sounds "lucrative" yield ... they damn well should be reading up on this forum and therefore it is not posturing. If they're too effin' stupid to figure all that out, what makes you think they're going to read the forum or heed the message? Do you honestly think a post is going to sink into the brain of someone like that? "Some men, you jes' cain't reach..." "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.09 02:41:00 - [29] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Skidd Chung Actually, posting a warning is the best they can do to be honest. Actually, it's not. If they really want to show how powerful they are and how much they "care", they'd root out the scammers and take them down instead. But they honestly don't care - they aren't posting this warning out of the kindness of their hearts or their concern for fellow players, they're posturing. They're marking their territory and barking loud, but it's not with anyone else's interests in mind. Aww.. cmon go back to the noob bandwagon you came from. You have no idea on how things in 0.0 work. Or maybe you are the alt of the guy who makes these scam missions, that's why you are so hot about the issue. Come into the space of any other alliance be it BoB, G/IRON, RED, etc. and you will be shot on sight if you are not blue. After all you don't let just anybody into your territory. People claim space as their not to benefit anybody else but themselves and their alliance. You noobs can cry foul all you want but that fact still remains. Powerful alliances don't have the time to deal with coward scammers who don't really do any damage to alliance operations. Big alliances will focus on defending their area of space against all their enemies. As for the whole more profit issue for letting neutrals dock at player owned stations. That again is false. ISS does make money from people docking at their stations but do you see them building lots of stations and big powerful ships because of it? BoB, ASCN, Tribal souls, F-E, G/IRON, etc., can build all these stations and big ships faster than any neutral alliance can, because they have secure systems and devoted pilots. They don't need petty change from newbs that dock at stations. They make a lot more on their own.
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.09 02:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Edited by: Corunna ElMan on 08/02/2006 19:57:12 Originally by: Simon Jax So, given that such a person obviously has nary a clue how EVE works ... and no clue how 0.0 space works ... and has such poor math skills that a 3-hour trip for a 1 mil payout after putting down 25 mil sounds "lucrative" yield ... they damn well should be reading up on this forum and therefore it is not posturing. If they're too effin' stupid to figure all that out, what makes you think they're going to read the forum or heed the message? Do you honestly think a post is going to sink into the brain of someone like that? "Some men, you jes' cain't reach..." Of coarse people don't think this post will solve the problem. Hell, the point is so clear to people who live in 0.0, that it's so obvious noobs like you will never understand, because your kind lives in an imaginary world where carebears collect flowers and sing songs all day. Instead of preaching like you can or know how to solve this problem, then try joining a 0.0 alliance and see for yourself how things are done there. I bet, you get podded and blown up within a week if you keep believing in your noobish views of the 0.0 side of the game.
PMolkenthin	Posted - 2006.02.09 04:09:00 - [31] These kind of scams happen all the time. A couple of weeks ago, a noob corper flew down to 9CG (querious) in a Tristan, and announced his presence in local. Naturally I undocked and killed him, but after a brief convo, it turned out that he was on a player made courier mission and didnt know about the rules of 0.0 space. I felt bad and fixed up his wallet.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.09 05:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Kamui Shiro Hell, the point is so clear to people who live in 0.0, that it's so obvious noobs like you will never understand. Noobs like ME? Hehe, buddy, I'M not the one still in RIN. Don't talk to me about alliances, you're only allied with NOOBS. And don't give me the "this is an alt" BS either, have the stones to post with your main if you've got a point to make. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Korant	Posted - 2006.02.09 08:41:00 - [33] speaking as one who is still a bit behind the learning curve, i definately do appreciate the helpful posts like this. frankly, anyone who believes they can fly freely in in alliance spce just cuz they are neutral is a n00b in the sense that they have not yet learned enough about how things work to stay out of trouble that is easily avoided with just a little freely available knowledge. perhaps the troll is behind such a scam and this warning cuts into his cash cow's belly. jus sayin...
Wotar	Posted - 2006.02.09 10:07:00 - [34] Quote: But they honestly don't care - they aren't posting this warning out of the kindness of their hearts or their concern for fellow players, they're posturing. They're marking their territory and barking loud, but it's not with anyone else's interests in mind. One of the most clueless things I've ever read on this forum, and that's really saying something.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.09 11:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Butter Dog Everyone knows their territory though, so why would they do that? Well, if "everyone" knows, then this thread is just pointless posturing, now isn't it? Quote: New players dont though, so this well-intended warning is just that - a well intended warning. I'd hardly call anyone who can afford to invest 25 MILLION in collateral for a 1M return a "new player". Newbies don't venture 25 million and they sure don't make long trade runs into 0.0 - anyone who does such things is no "newbie" in my book. Given those things, the only purpose the original post CAN serve is posturing. To be honest with you, you're just a pointless forum troll who has contributed nothing to this thread. If you have a problem with ASCN or "posturing" as you put it, put a fleet together and claim their space for yourself. You can then impose whatever access rights you wish. Until then, its painfully obvious you don't have a clue how 0.0 actually works, so your best course of action to save yourself looking supremely inept would be to STFU. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.09 13:47:00 - [36] You're still missing the point - so don't lecture me on intellectual aptitude. I don't want to take them out or even dictate how they run their affairs - but if you think they're doing this to "help" noobs, ask yourself how... blowing up noobs with 25M collateral in their holds doesn't help them. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.02.09 13:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Corunna ElMan You're still missing the point - so don't lecture me on intellectual aptitude. I don't want to take them out or even dictate how they run their affairs - but if you think they're doing this to "help" noobs, ask yourself how... blowing up noobs with 25M collateral in their holds doesn't help them. They don't have 25 million collateral. They have something worth a few ISK. The noobs can't dock at the station, and thus it is impossible to regain the ISK in the first place. -- Proud member of the [23]. The Tachikomas are DEAD! Click sig for video. <3 Tachikomas -Eldo But I'm the cutest of them all, and I'm not even a blue robot - Wrangler I have seen you. You cannot deny it anymore - Vanamonde You used to be one of the twenty three, now you are a part of me - Cortes Immy > You All - Imaran Tachikomas > All ~kieron
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.09 14:09:00 - [38] Originally by: Corunna ElMan I don't want to take them out or even dictate how they run their affairs - but if you think they're doing this to "help" noobs, ask yourself how... blowing up noobs with 25M collateral in their holds doesn't help them. Apart from the fact almost everything you have said here is based on ignorance and incorrect assumptions, it is meant to help new players by warning them not to fall for the scam in the first place. And, as some have already posted, they have heard the warning and are thankful for it. End of. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.09 15:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Kamui Shiro Hell, the point is so clear to people who live in 0.0, that it's so obvious noobs like you will never understand. Noobs like ME? Hehe, buddy, I'M not the one still in RIN. Don't talk to me about alliances, you're only allied with NOOBS. And don't give me the "this is an alt" BS either, have the stones to post with your main if you've got a point to make. You are right I am posting with an alt, simply because our alliance has strict rules against posting in these forums and your ignorance isn't worth me posting with my main. Everyone else here who has lived and played in 0.0 space for at least a month knows the only real ignorant noob here is you. Got a problem with ASCN or any other 0.0 alliance, then come down to their space and have a chat with them. Im sure alot of them who have read this thread and seen your ignorant replies are dieing to pod you hehe
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 02:51:00 - [40] Originally by: Kamui Shiro Everyone else here who has lived and played in 0.0 space for at least a month knows the only real ignorant noob here is you. Whatever, Mister RIN. All I know is what can be proven - that being, you're in RIN, a noob corp and not part of any alliance. Feel free to prove me wrong, but until then I have to laugh at you calling anyone else a noob. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 02:55:00 - [41] Originally by: Butter Dog Apart from the fact almost everything you have said here is based on ignorance and incorrect assumptions, it is meant to help new players by warning them not to fall for the scam in the first place. My conclusions are sound: 1) Blowing up noobs doesn't help them. 2) Noobs don't have 25 Million ISK to invest in a 40-jump trade run into 0.0 space. Given those facts, the people they claim to be warning and looking out for would never find themselves in such a situation. The only people who would be in that situation are fools who aren't going to heed the warning, either. Don't tell me for a moment that any of the people who were thankful for the warning had actually even considered doing such a run - and if they did, maybe you should be directing your ridicule to them. End of, indeed. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Aquas	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:25:00 - [42] I really wish CCP would take a more active stance on these scams. I mean as a new player I find it pretty silly that I cannot even take a player courier mission out of fear that it'll be a scam. It's pretty sad when the basic advice given by everyone is, "Don't take any courier missions from escrow." Basically you have a game feature that the majority of your player base, or at least your new player base is afraid to use. As it stands I don't see myself ever doing any of those missions simply b/c it would be worth the risk of beind duped by some clown and from what I can tell CCP doesn't even care. I've never seen the slightest mention that they do anything about people who scam via the escrow missions. Even the mods in-game just tell you it's better to not do them, what's that crap.
Bast Meskhenet	Posted - 2006.02.10 03:35:00 - [43] To speak the honest truth, I had no idea 0.0 was K.O.S. to people not in an alliance before reading these warning threads. Or that a neutral party can't dock at owned stations. If anything came of these posts, one newbie was partially enlightened on the workings of the game -- which I something I'm always thankful for. Not that I'd be the one silly enough to pony up 25 million for a 1 million reward located beyond a rediculous gauntlet of pirate-infested space, but still.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:10:00 - [44] Originally by: Aquas I really wish CCP would take a more active stance on these scams. It's not that CCP doesn't care - it's that they expect you to educate yourself and read up a little. Much like escrow scammers - yes, they are scum, but nothing prevents the buyer from examining the item before paying. People who are inclined to buy sight unseen should be parted from their money anyhow, as they are clearly not responsible enough to use it properly... "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 04:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Korant perhaps the troll is behind such a scam and this warning cuts into his cash cow's belly. Were you referring to me? Ask yourself - who would stand to gain the most from such a scam - the people who blow up the courier, or the guy who has constantly been saying "maybe you need to stop attacking the couriers and go after the people generating the missions"? You're right, you are still a bit behind the learning curve, if you can't put that together in your head. A "helpful" post would have been simply to state the facts: Neutrals in alliance space are KOS; it's a bad idea to take a courier mission with such a high collateral for such a low payout, over such a long trip in any lowsec space, etc. The previous thread on this was locked, and the moderator made it clear that the tone of the original poster was the reason the message was poorly recieved. So the OP created a new thread and said the same damn thing again. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.10 06:12:00 - [46] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Ask yourself - who would stand to gain the most from such a scam - the people who blow up the courier, or the guy who has constantly been saying "maybe you need to stop attacking the couriers and go after the people generating the missions"? OMG another ignorant remark from, THE NOOB! Keep em coming now. The alliance pilots have nothing to gain from blowing up the couriers simply because they get nothing out of them but wasted ammo. The only one that makes money is the scammer/s who makes these missions. And alliances have better things to do than play cop and hunt down scammers, but since you don't have any idea on what happens in 0.0 space then you wouldn't know that now would you. You can mouth all you want about catching the scammer and everything but since you are the one advocating it, then why not accept one of those courier missions and see if you can catch the scammer then? All you do is criticize the OP of this thread and other 0.0 alliances with an NBSI policy. The author of this thread did a good thing by warning newbies about this kind of scams in eve. Now its up to the newbs to heed the warning. If they don't, then there's gonna be one happy scammer around.
Koranht	Posted - 2006.02.10 06:22:00 - [47] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Korant perhaps the troll is behind such a scam and this warning cuts into his cash cow's belly. Were you referring to me? (#1)Ask yourself - who would stand to gain the most from such a scam - the people who blow up the courier, or the guy who has constantly been saying "maybe you need to stop attacking the couriers and go after the people generating the missions"? (#2)You're right, you are still a bit behind the learning curve, if you can't put that together in your head. A "helpful" post would have been simply to state the facts: Neutrals in alliance space are KOS; it's a bad idea to take a courier mission with such a high collateral for such a low payout, over such a long trip in any lowsec space, etc. The previous thread on this was locked, and the moderator made it clear that the tone of the original poster was the reason the message was poorly recieved. So the OP created a new thread and said the same damn thing again. as to (#1) i believe the mission creator would have the most to gain. the collateral is what is turned over to the mission creator to keep in case you cannot complete the mission on time or run off with the goods. you do know what collateral is, right. it is not what the mission taker carries around in his/her cargo hold. as to (#2) i say that i am behind the curve because i have not fully caught up on the ever changing political things going on in alliance space. what i have done is: 1) regularly check the alliance and corp forums to see what the chatter is about regarding hostilities, war zones, and alliance characteristics; 2) checked out the alliance url's that are avail to see how they run things in their territories (like, who will be shot on sight, etc.); 3) started checking out corp url's for those corps in major alliances to see what their individual poilicies are. some of what i have learned: not all 0.0 space is alliance territory; 0.0 space that is not alliance controlled is likely to have a lot of pirate activity - expect to be fired upon; alliances that have NBSI policies do not take kindly to uninvited guests - expect to be podded; scam artists are out there, so 'pilot beware'; before going to some unknown destination or travelling along some unknown route, check ship and pod kills on the map, whose territory you will be travelling thru, etc., to know what you're getting into; just because someone is in a starter corp, that is no reason to conclude that they know nothing about the game - i have met experts who simply choose to stay in their starter corp; you are a n00b in the sense that you know not of what you speak regarding the helpfulness of this and other threads like it where the experienced players provide tips and advice for those who do not know, but have enough going on upstairs to check the game forums for help before getting podded due to ignorance. cheers... btw, i unintentionally posted with Korant previously instead of Koranht since my forum setting seem to have not been saved correctly last time. ================== Koranht
Tom Tarn	Posted - 2006.02.10 08:13:00 - [48] Having read all the posts on this thread and others that are similar, I have been somewhat educated on 0.0 space and CCP policy regarding scams and shady practices ingame. As far as I can gather, ingame, anything goes. The scammer is just role playing the Con Artist really - tricking the unwary into handing over lots of ISK for little or no return - making ISK off other peoples ignorance. In a case like this, for such a great deal of collateral would it not be better for the person taking the mission to find out exactly where they are going and what they will be carrying? Is the thing they are carrying worth 25M ISK? If it is not remotely worth this then why such a large collateral? Smell something fishy yet! I thank the OP for the warning and personally will look at courier missions very carefully before parting with my hard earned ISK. - This time next year we'll be billionaires.
Eternal Fury	Posted - 2006.02.10 09:27:00 - [49] Well, I can say this folks. I am a noob, and just today I was looking at one of those delivery missions. So at the very least, i thank you for letting me know. it may not have gone to your area, but it would have been to someones and most likely it would have been killed. I doubt my little destroyer can hold up to much. Least I should have my Cruiser by tommorrow. :) And that map of the 0.0 zones and who controls them was very helpful. thanks to whoever posted it. Also, I've learned a bit more about the setup. I didn't realise it was a shootfirst/ask questions later in the 0.0 zones. I assumed that if you guys who've been playing for a year or two saw a small ship(frigate or my little destroyer) that you might ask if I was lost or somethign. Didn't know you'd shoot on sight. Now I do. i'll cower for a month or 3 till i can take a hit or two while I run :) -------------------------------- -I hope that's an exhaust port and not a weapons port. -Uhm dude, I dont' think it'll make a difference either way.
Butter Dog	Posted - 2006.02.10 09:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Butter Dog Apart from the fact almost everything you have said here is based on ignorance and incorrect assumptions, it is meant to help new players by warning them not to fall for the scam in the first place. My conclusions are sound: 1) Blowing up noobs doesn't help them. 2) Noobs don't have 25 Million ISK to invest in a 40-jump trade run into 0.0 space. 1) Warning them to prevent them getting blown up does. They are not going to change their Alliance policies because of an alt scammer. 2) Wrong - noobs can earn quite easily earn 2m an hour mining Omber in a basic cruiser in a 0.7. Does 13 hours of play time in 0.7 make them a hardy veteran? Hardly. ------------------ The viewpoints expressed are my own, not necessarily those of my Corporation or Alliance.
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:43:00 - [51] Quote: 1) Warning them to prevent them getting blown up does. They are not going to change their Alliance policies because of an alt scammer. They're not warning NOOBS, fool. Noobs aren't doing these missions! Quote: 2) Wrong - noobs can earn quite easily earn 2m an hour mining Omber in a basic cruiser in a 0.7. You can get lucky with loot drops, as I did when I was new. Does 13 hours of play time in 0.7 make them a hardy veteran? Of course not. Maybe 25m ISK is hard for you to come by, but then judging from your posts you don't have the first clue how the game really works. I'll tell you one thing - I didn't make all my mon ey by doing 40-jump trade runs into 0.0 space with 25M of collateral in my hold. I'm doing fine in the game - your stubborn refusal to understand what I'm saying doesn't change my level of enjoyment. You know what's really embarrassing? Your inability to understand the basic truth that this warning is not reaching its intended audience. I'm not the reason the original thread was locked, so you might want to ask yourself if I'm the only one who disagrees with the OP. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.10 13:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Kamui Shiro The alliance pilots have nothing to gain from blowing up the couriers simply because they get nothing out of them but wasted ammo. The only one that makes money is the scammer/s who makes these missions. Who's to say it's not a member of their alliance? Great way to make money - bait people into your space and kill them, make 25M, repeat. Unlikely but surely more likely than trying to make it sound like the one who's criticizing the original post is behind it. I'm not even against their policy - I'm against their needless bluster. It's like a dog p!ssing on trees to mark his territory and barking at bypassers. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Kamui Shiro	Posted - 2006.02.10 14:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Kamui Shiro The alliance pilots have nothing to gain from blowing up the couriers simply because they get nothing out of them but wasted ammo. The only one that makes money is the scammer/s who makes these missions. Who's to say it's not a member of their alliance? Great way to make money - bait people into your space and kill them, make 25M, repeat. Unlikely but surely more likely than trying to make it sound like the one who's criticizing the original post is behind it. I'm not even against their policy - I'm against their needless bluster. It's like a dog p!ssing on trees to mark his territory and barking at bypassers. /me will ignore THE NOOB that is named Corunna ElMan after this last post as he just doesn't understand at all. I shall leave you to play with all the fairy's and carebears while you sing songs in your own private world. Every alliance that has read your remarks doesn't agree with you, so that in itself proves you are blowing out nothing but hot air. So basically you want the group who made this thread to stop warning people and just shut up and do something about the scammer. You said the post wasn't reaching its intended target. WOW! what a great idea that is! So all people stop giving out warnings to newbs about scammers, etc. on these forums. I bet if alliances and other players stopped giving warnings then the scammer will really be happy. And didn't we already say that catching these scammers is too much work for alliances that have more important things to do? Oh wait, your head was to thick for the info to get through. When i was a newb that started playing this game i relied on more experienced players in the NPC corps and these forums to get a feel for the game. I'm sure a lot of other newbs now do the same thing. Any person who accepts a courier mission, escrow, etc. without investigating if its legit first, is a newb in my book. I have yet to fall victim to scammers in this game, and i have the kind players/groups who give out warnings about the scams to thank for it. It doesn't matter if a guy has 50 mill+ in isk. Hell, I had 130 mill in 1.5 months of playing this game and i was still a newb.
Incident	Posted - 2006.02.10 14:45:00 - [54] Originally by: Corunna ElMan Originally by: Kamui Shiro The alliance pilots have nothing to gain from blowing up the couriers simply because they get nothing out of them but wasted ammo. The only one that makes money is the scammer/s who makes these missions. Who's to say it's not a member of their alliance? Great way to make money - bait people into your space and kill them, make 25M, repeat. Unlikely but surely more likely than trying to make it sound like the one who's criticizing the original post is behind it. I'm not even against their policy - I'm against their needless bluster. It's like a dog p!ssing on trees to mark his territory and barking at bypassers. Being here for only a month and don't claim to know anything about .0 but isnt that what borders are "territory" and for the "barking at bypassers" who is to say these "bypassers" are noobs they could alts trying to spy. There is only do or do not, there is no try.
AfterShock	Posted - 2006.02.10 19:37:00 - [55] Let's just simplify this to stop the troll(s) The OP is warning Eve players in general to not fall for this scam by accepting and attempting to deliver any courier mission originating outside of an alliance controlled region with a delivery point into an alliance controlled region.
Doctor Shady	Posted - 2006.02.11 01:58:00 - [56] HI MA, but in another locked Thread. GUYS SImple keep out, or get killed. now go back to WoW
Corunna ElMan	Posted - 2006.02.11 03:40:00 - [57] Originally by: Kamui Shiro /me will ignore THE NOOB that is named Corunna ElMan after this last post as he just doesn't understand at all. I shall leave you to play with all the fairy's and carebears while you sing songs in your own private world. Like your friends in RIN? Quote: And didn't we already say that catching these scammers is too much work for alliances that have more important things to do? Such as... killing noobs? Wow, that's really important work. Gotta pod those noobs, because we care about the community! Quote: When i was a newb that started playing this game i relied on more experienced players in the NPC corps and these forums to get a feel for the game. I'm sure a lot of other newbs now do the same thing. Hell, I had 130 mill in 1.5 months of playing this game and i was still a newb. You're still in RIN, you're STILL a newb. "Don't see much point getting involved in other people's troubles without an up-front price negotiation."
Death's Puppet	Posted - 2006.02.13 09:14:00 - [58] How do u no it wasnt a legit thing? maby someone wanted something out at there 0.0 base, and was hoping someone elce in the alliance would get and bring it,... not reasearching your mission / trade is stupid and going to 0.0 without knowing what the go with agression and acess is is also lame,.... i really think some people have to think outside the box, yeah it sounds like a scamm 25mill colateral for 1 mill reward, but if you were going that way anyway... and new u had acess its an ok thing isnt it?
Jaddor	Posted - 2006.02.13 14:50:00 - [59] Here is my question. Who is stupid enough to fall for these? Its game darwinism at its best. The ONLY way you do these kinda missions is if you... #1 Never read the forums. #2 Never read the player guide. #3 Never played a pvp game. #4 Have no idea that time = money, since the number of jumps vrs the pay out is insanely low. I know noobs are still doing this, and not all of them are 25 million collateral (some of the scams are running about 1 mill) but jebus, its not rocket science. Its one thing being a noob, but its another thing being stupid.
Buxaroo	Posted - 2006.02.13 19:26:00 - [60] Edited by: Buxaroo on 13/02/2006 19:26:21 Originally by: Jaddor Here is my question. Who is stupid enough to fall for these? Its game darwinism at its best. The ONLY way you do these kinda missions is if you... #1 Never read the forums. #2 Never read the player guide. #3 Never played a pvp game. #4 Have no idea that time = money, since the number of jumps vrs the pay out is insanely low. I know noobs are still doing this, and not all of them are 25 million collateral (some of the scams are running about 1 mill) but jebus, its not rocket science. Its one thing being a noob, but its another thing being stupid. Thank you. Exactly. Why should CCP waste its time trying to get rid of this problem when it is not a problem per game mechanic only stupidity of players? Darwinism at its best. This is an adult game played in the "corporation" mode gamestyle. Not carebear. Not EQ2. Not Final Fantasy @#$$!!. Just educate yourself and get a clue. If you cannot survive simple scams like this then you don't need to be playing this. Same thing about escrow....EXAMINE MERCHANDICE before buying it. If you don't.....then good riddance. . . . "No matter where you go, there you are."
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