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Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:33:00 -
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Another patch
No documentation (feeling like 2010)
No complaints?
Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches.
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Lazy Eagle
FUITA
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:44:00 -
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Posting in stealth, stealth patch thread....... well not so stealthy, i guess. |
Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:45:00 -
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I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable.
CCP Falcon wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch? Kittens 
This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.
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Treborr MintingtonJr
The Knights of Spamalot
The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:52:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable. CCP Falcon wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch? Kittens This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:56:00 -
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Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:Rose Hips wrote:I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable. CCP Falcon wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch? Kittens This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS. Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again!
I know, right!
For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation.
When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira.
Villore Accords
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:57:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:Another patch
No documentation (feeling like 2010)
No complaints?
Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches.
I believe by clicking play you accept the EULA. Somewhere in the EULA it says CCP can modify their software when they want to, with or without notification. |
Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
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Posted - 2013.10.30 14:59:00 -
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I would have used a couple of tazmanian devils to sort the hamsters out.
Anyway if your still about falcon why when there is a patch like the past couple of weeks is it always the same size?. Is there somthing your specifically updating or is this the super sekret sauce?
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March rabbit
True Horde
842
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:01:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Rose Hips wrote:Another patch
No documentation (feeling like 2010)
No complaints?
Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches. I believe by clicking play you accept the EULA. Somewhere in the EULA it says CCP can modify their software when they want to, with or without notification.
you crazy? 
READING EULA???? |
Tikitina
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:02:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:Another patch
No documentation (feeling like 2010)
No complaints?
Ah... that's why they wanted the new Launcher, so the players would not notice or become tired of these little patches.
No complaints here. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
699
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:03:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Treborr MintingtonJr wrote:Rose Hips wrote:I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable. CCP Falcon wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch? Kittens This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS. Swear down if there are kittens in my captains quarters I'm never boarding my ship ever again! I know, right! For those few people who were upset that there weren't actually any kittens included (we decided to keep them all in the office because they were so cute), I can offer another explanation. When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.
Falcon, maybe a silly suggestion, but in cases like this, a 'patch note' with a single line saying 'backend stuff improved' would help greatly, because even if it's a 'non patch' patch, where nothing gets changed that directly concerns players, having a note telling them nothing has changed for them would be very communicative ;)
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Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:04:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:When we put out tiny patches like this, they are of course documented internally, but if they're small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay then no patch notes are provided.
So dear sir, the answer is simply:
Patch #xxxx-xxx Small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay.
or
Patch #xxxx-xxx Updates for Dust514 back end fixes and optimizations.
Because that is better than nothing and for those of us that keeps tabs on the game, patches, and all then (AS CCP SAYS) we are vested partners in this process. Please don't defend a non-documentation "it's minor" policy!!!
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
1972
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:05:00 -
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Heh.
Some of us know at least one of the reasons behind the patch. If you do a little research, you may find out.
That change isn't one which affects you directly. Just architecture work.
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Tikitina
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:06:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:you crazy? READING EULA????
Actually, scientific experiments have determined that All software EULAs basically say that you are responsible for everything that happens after you click the install button. All software companies guarantees essentially end at that point.
And no, I don't have links to such experiments or their findings. I found it on the internets.
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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
666
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:14:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Heh.
Some of us know at least one of the reasons behind the patch. If you do a little research, you may find out.
That change isn't one which affects you directly. Just architecture work.
And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes.
Mind you, we patch several times a week. Most of the time it's never noticeable unless a mistake is made. Most often it's just tiny fixes and internal tooling improvements. If we put out patch-notes for that every time, you could get weeks with 3 patch-notes that just say "Internal changes and improvements".
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Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:18:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:I love the humor... but the answer is not acceptable. CCP Falcon wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:Care to reveal what was in that mystery patch? Kittens This is like CCP of 2010 during the non-documentation era to which they recovered but now seem to be going back to their bad habit. Come on CCP you made progress in communicating, DON'T GO BACKWARDS.
Entitled much?
I'm amazed at how tolerant CCP devs are towards people like you. It's their game, their code, their hardware... They don't owe you jack **** for explanation. Hth.
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
3374
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:19:00 -
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Came expecting afk cloakers to be patched, left disappointed. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:24:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:.......
And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes.
............
What? Are you saying that every single eve player is locked out from applying to CCP for a job?
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:25:00 -
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Xearal wrote:[Falcon, maybe a silly suggestion, but in cases like this, a 'patch note' with a single line saying 'backend stuff improved' would help greatly, because even if it's a 'non patch' patch, where nothing gets changed that directly concerns players, having a note telling them nothing has changed for them would be very communicative ;)
It's anything but a silly suggestion but it comes down to CCP doing some sort of communication and from where I sit it looks like we're back pre-incarna and communication being in the same sentence with CCP equals to an oxymoron.
Take for example this thread, a question about CCP promising 10 year old vets a station of their own:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284509
CCP responses to that, zero.zero and it was not the first time there was a polite inquiry to this fanfest promise with no response.
Another example is a two year old thread in the Macintosh section which hasn't seen a dev response in over a year
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1533341#post1533341
And if one of the posters is right CCP isn't even spending any time at fixing this 2 year problem simply since there is no-one put on the Mac client.
And I can go on but why bother, no one cares at CCP at the moment.  |
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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
667
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:25:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:.......
And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes.
............
What? Are you saying that every single eve player is locked out from applying to CCP for a job?
Nope, if you join, then of course you'll get to see it.
We're hiring, by the way 
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1488
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:26:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:So dear sir, the answer is simply:
Patch #xxxx-xxx Small back end fixes and optimizations that provide no change in gameplay.
or
Patch #xxxx-xxx Updates for Dust514 back end fixes and optimizations.
Because that is better than nothing and for those of us that keeps tabs on the game, patches, and all then (AS CCP SAYS) we are vested partners in this process. Please don't defend a non-documentation "it's minor" policy!!! No thanks.
I'll have my patch notes without pages and pages of "nothing changed" notes.
How about this.
If you see a patch, and it's not documented, you simply understand that it's nothing that required mentioning, and so nothing has changed.
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Silvetica Dian
Manson Family
Advent of Fate
264
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:26:00 -
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Xearal wrote:
'backend stuff improved'
call it a preparation-H patch.
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Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
548
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:27:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:And I may add that there was other stuff in the patch, but none of it you guys will ever see, because they are all internal changes. Leaked footage.
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1488
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:28:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Xearal wrote:[Falcon, maybe a silly suggestion, but in cases like this, a 'patch note' with a single line saying 'backend stuff improved' would help greatly, because even if it's a 'non patch' patch, where nothing gets changed that directly concerns players, having a note telling them nothing has changed for them would be very communicative ;)
It's anything but a silly suggestion but it comes down to CCP doing some sort of communication and from where I sit it looks like we're back pre-incarna and communication being in the same sentence with CCP equals to an oxymoron. Take for example this thread, a question about CCP promising 10 year old vets a station of their own: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284509CCP responses to that, zero.zero and it was not the first time there was a polite inquiry to this fanfest promise with no response. Another example is a two year old thread in the Macintosh section which hasn't seen a dev response in over a year https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1533341#post1533341And if one of the posters is right CCP isn't even spending any time at fixing this 2 year problem simply since there is no-one put on the Mac client. And I can go on but why bother, no one cares at CCP at the moment.
10 year vet station, to do what in?
I'd rather they worked on content thanks.
And Macs suck, so who cares?
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Koban Agalder
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
12
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:32:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:We're hiring, by the way
Just out of curiosity, anything C++ related?
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CCP Stillman
C C P
C C P Alliance
668
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:36:00 -
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Koban Agalder wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:We're hiring, by the way Just out of curiosity, anything C++ related?
Looking at the list(http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs), it doesn't seem like it.
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Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:37:00 -
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The fanbois are strong in this one... just bend over, you'll like it. Don't want to know, don't care, so what.
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Rose Hips
Zero Dot Zero
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:40:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Koban Agalder wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:We're hiring, by the way Just out of curiosity, anything C++ related? Looking at the list(http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs), it doesn't seem like it.
Uh... how about this one...
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=470
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Lucas Kell
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
1490
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Posted - 2013.10.30 15:57:00 -
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Rose Hips wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Koban Agalder wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:We're hiring, by the way Just out of curiosity, anything C++ related? Looking at the list(http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs), it doesn't seem like it. Uh... how about this one... http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=470 That's really strange!
On my screen it says "Responsibilities include:
Implement game features based on designs using our internal tools and Python"
I imagine you're looking at the bit that says strong programming ability required. I don't think the job is actually C++ related as that's not in the job description at all.
Plus it's WoD...
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
4231
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:11:00 -
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Wow, so full of hatred and entitlement... |
Myrissa Kistel
Planetary Logistics
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Posted - 2013.10.30 16:23:00 -
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I just assume CCP is giving Goons stuff when these type of patches are released. |
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