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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
197
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:43:00 -
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I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2190
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:42:00 -
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Andrea Okazon wrote:I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth.
Just so long as someone keeps the trimming shears handy... |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
182
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:17:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Do you really think that talking on this cesspool is my primary duty? Yes.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:We are at war. Attacks across the borders of a nation at war are not exactly rare; sometimes those attacks succeed. Your argument of treason carries no water and shows a basic ignorance of how war works. Please, donGÇÖt play stupid. Consult the history books:
Quote:A week later, Federation Navy ships crossed into the Amarr Empire through Aridia.The Imperial Navy allowed the ships to travel unmolested, though they scrambled and followed the foreign fleet. The Federation ships eventually made their way to Kador Prime, where they began assaulting several Kador stations. The Amarr Navy continued to remain passive, sitting on standby three systems away while private ships aligned with the Kador Family engaged the invaders. The intense fighting ended almost as soon as it began, with the Federation fleet withdrawing suddenly.
It was eventually revealed that a traitorous admiral wanted for crimes against the Federation was being harbored by Uriam Kador. The strike was carried out to retrieve the admiral, a mission that was successful. Considering the lack of retaliation by the Amarr Navy, it was widely assumed that Empress Jamyl I gave permission for the Federation actions. And again you havenGÇÖt answered my questions. Why did Heideran VII sign numerous treaties with the Gallente if GÇ£the Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costsGÇ¥? (And why did he accept the Aidonis award?)
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:If you were propagating the word rather than heretical lies, it would be a start towards you acting your station. I expect, however, that you will continue acting like a spoiled brat who wants attention and will continue to embrace any scheme or heresy that might cause her to receive attention. If you were propagating anything that goes beyond blind, unquestioning and silly obedience clothed in ossified and pretentious affectation, I will probably reconsider taking your words serious. Until that I advise you to repent for your lies and treacherous slander.
Regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Constantin Baracca
189
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:54:00 -
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Now everyone calm down, it's an academic exchange. Surely, if we're considering the current skirmishes and legislated warfare a true war, then peace is only going to come through understanding. While, on the one hand, it may give people bad ideas in both groups, it might be that they absorb the benefits of each others' cultures and ignore their ills. All things are possible when people take their education seriously.
I have high hopes for these exchanges. If cultural exchange was impossible and worthy only of the axe, I would have lost my head years ago. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.02 03:28:00 -
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Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense.
As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
69
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:30:00 -
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The cries of distress at this idea from the Amarr in this thread are enough to make me want this endeavor to succeed. |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
894
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:17:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?
Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.
I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.
Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
616
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:40:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.
The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ?
You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ? |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
183
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:01:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense. I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. It is lamentable, but it is the truth. Foreign political machinations forced the Empire into a limited renewal of its sacred duty, the Reclaiming. Not ex scripturis, not ex pietate the Reclaiming was relaunched but ex accidente. Blessed are the righteous Khanid who had not to endure the profane reign of Heideran VII, these sorrowful decades of decline and depravity. I love the Kingdom and the Empire with all my heart and I pray for the day when the vice-ridden usurpers will be smitten.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite. From the blasphemous paradox of putting the Emperor into GodGÇÖs place, comes all your failure and delusion. You are not worthy of calling yourself Amarr. You are a corrupted and self-righteous idolater. A pagan has more worth than you and your entire rotten organisation.
Down with the Usurpers of Holy and Eternal Amarr! Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:25:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space. Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ? You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ?
I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree.
Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1507
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:47:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:You are using a misdeedGÇösome would say treasonous actGÇöof your Empress to justify your criticism.
Do you say that it was treasonous? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:54:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space. Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ? You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ? I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree. Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.
Oh I see..
Equivalent, I can not tell. I find the idea rather good, though. Amarrian Faith commands to learn, and learning about other cultures is also part of it. Learning does not systematically equate to adopting, if that is what you fear.
And if that really happens and is deemed dangerous by Amarrian authorities, then you know which teachers are to blame. Adding the blame to the initiative does not make any sense if said initiative is profitable. |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
92
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:54:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense. I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.
The only part of your drivel that I want to address is the absurd idea that we have created a new Mad Emperor. How could we possibly accomplish such a feat?
Saying that it is not the place of those as far down in the chain of authority as either of us to question the Emperor is not the same as saying that the Emperor cannot be misguided. If we were a Speaker of Truth, a Member of the Privy Council, or a member of the Theology Council, then we would have the authority to criticize the Empresses Actions. We do not have that authority and pretending that we do is hubris.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:04:00 -
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Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1507
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:44:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? Because reporting crime to the authorities is the duty of every Amarrian subject.
Also PIE has never overstepped its legal authority. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Shirin Khashour
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:42:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?
The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue.
Commandant of PAux.-á"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
623
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:01:00 -
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Shirin Khashour wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue.
I am not sure that you are accredited to rule out which capsuleer is or is not heretic as well - since it is the TC and MIO job - as admiral Blake pointed out above.
PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1166
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 -
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I unfortunately have to agree with the Imperial robe-kissers; While the height of Imperial impropriety to criticize those -above- one's station... criticizing those at or below is all well and good under the right circumstances.
And since I imagine most of PIE and greater Amarr would consider Duchy-kins below their station they rightly see nothing wrong with calling her out on just about everything.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
624
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:27:00 -
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I am unsure that you imagine right, lady Vitalia... |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
900
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:49:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though.
Finger-pointing is a long and proud tradition within greater Amarr and I for one am glad to see PIE upholding its cultural roots. If you can't count on a conservative, authoritarian group to judge their peers, we might as well start inviting wolves to the dinner table. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
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James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
586
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:04:00 -
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Dispute the expressed misgivings of those whose political or personal agendas oppose cultural exchange between the Federation and the Kingdom, I think this effort is an absolutely wonderful idea.
I will watch with great interest how the exchange progresses.
I hope in the future we can hear from the students themselves regarding there perspectives and experiences. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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