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Franseza Quiniou
Elusenian Cooperative
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Posted - 2013.10.30 21:27:00 -
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The Director of Education along with the Rector of the University of Elusenia have jointly announced a student exchange programme to take place between the Cooperative Republic of Elusenia on Vale IV and the Duchy of Palas on Palas VIII. Twenty students, ten from each state, will spend the equivalent of two semesters in the respective foreign institutions, either the University of Elusenia in central Eluseny or the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' in the White City (officially known as Armaniyye). Applications are already open for Elusenian students, and competition appears fierce amongst the candidates. Unconfirmed reports are abound that Duchess Odelya d'Hanguest, head of state of Armaniyye, facilitated the deal personally.
The Palasian students will be immersed in religious studies from the Gallente perspective, analyzing various belief systems as well as the Amarr faith itself in a secular and sociological light. In contrast, the Elusenian students will share classes with priests in training, instructed by clerics of the Duchy. While the ten Elusenian students will be housed in an endowed property in the White City, their Palasian counterparts will abode with the rest of the student body in campus dormitories. A Palasian priest will also reside in private accommodation on campus to provide to the exchange students' religious requirements. He is rumoured to be close to the Order of Tetrimon, though this is unlikely to be made an official consideration.
Seo Nam-Soo, Rector of UoE, hailed the exchange programme as a "once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for ten ambitious students to intellectually immerse themselves in a foreign culture and develop a greater understanding of human civilization". She continued to assert that the Palasians will receive "the warmest welcome from our students and their full hospitality". The scheme is said to be a wider ambition of the Elusenian government to diplomatically penetrate the Amarr Empire by first gaining a foothold in the relatively more open and commerce-minded Khanid Kingdom.
The final selection of the ten exchange students will be announced in the coming weeks, as will the formal commencement of the program. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2140
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:15:00 -
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The first defection from which student body? The first violent casualty from which student body? Number of Khanid students purged for heresy within the year?
Kirjuun - what sort of action is there? |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1145
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:31:00 -
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Kingdom pragmatism and a reputation for self-reliance has worked quite well alongside Caldari partners for generations.
There is a reason this relationship has not happened with the Gallente.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
12
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Posted - 2013.10.31 12:07:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
To the Subjects of Palas and Elusenia and the Interested Public,
with great joy Her Grace the Duchess confirms the exchange treaty between the Duchy of Palas and the Cooperative Republic of Elusenia. A decree pertaining to the programme (#PaEl-153010) has been lodged with the Ducal Council.
We wish to communicate that naturally it is a substantial challenge to accept Gallente students and grant them access to the ducal seminary. Yet we are convinced that this challenge mirrors an integral part of the essence of our faith. We are asked to spread the Word of the Lord, and we are obliged to find appropriate ways to do so. It is our sacred burden to enlighten the ignorant and to educate those who do not know. The Light of the Lord will shine upon those who truly seek and who are truly guided. Knowledge on the other hand is the key to communicate effectivly and thus Her Grace is very pleased to also offer ten Palasians the opportunity to study foreign religions in a scientific environment which is equally challenging.
Her Grace is very delighted to give ten foreign students the opportunity to experience Khanid traditions and customs in Armaniyye and in the spirit of cordiality will provide each student, Elusenian and Palasian, with a personal scholarship and generous travel founds. To ensure the safety and conduct of the Elusenian students, ducal guards will be posted at their housing and accompany them whenever necessary.
Under the guidance of His Excellency the Dean of the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' a committee has already selected ten students from honourable Palasian families. Their reputation, faith and commitment to the Khanid Kingdom, the Duchy of Palas and the nature of the exchange programme is beyond doubt and we look forward to send them to Elusenia.
It is the inclination of Her Grace to foster relationships between institutions of higher learnings and promote the development of the sciences.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Chancellor of the Ducal Council
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |

Stalking Mantis
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
359
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Posted - 2013.10.31 12:14:00 -
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Yes. We have all seen the good the Gallente do when they establish a 'foot hold' in a 'commerce minded state'.
As someone truly interested in learning more about my chosen faith through my chosen teachers (Dark Amarr).
I must decline an invitation to be taught my faith 'from the perspective of the gallente'.
If anything I would seek to see it as the Khanid see it. |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
86
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Posted - 2013.10.31 13:57:00 -
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Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Arista Shahni
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
51
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Posted - 2013.10.31 14:00:00 -
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How strange.
I'd say more, but really. Is there more to be said? "I was dreaming once, and I dreampt of a world where I was nothing more than a biological fitting; a slave to the machine and crew, instead of the other way around. Don't you wonder at how easy it would have been for this scenario to happen, instead of how it actually unfolded?" |

Stalking Mantis
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
360
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Posted - 2013.10.31 14:16:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.
I believe his Highness showed the proper way to keep a Gallente, on a leash.
It would be wise to use his model as insperation. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1145
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Posted - 2013.10.31 14:24:00 -
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Stalking Mantis wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Once again d'Hansguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs.
I believe his Highness showed the proper way to keep a Gallente, on a leash. It would be wise to use his model as insperation.
That particular trophy has never sung better since her enslavement.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
459
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Posted - 2013.10.31 15:37:00 -
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Eh, pretty sure those little Eagles will be watching this very closely. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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Zsaryna Adrelana
Red Galaxy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
128
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Posted - 2013.10.31 15:42:00 -
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Desiderya wrote:Eh, pretty sure those little Eagles will be watching this very closely.
They'd better not get themselves into a flap then. That being said, I'm sure the MIO or its Khanate equivalent will be doubtless taking a direct interest as well. This post does not constitute, unless clearly indicated otherwise, a statement of policy, opinion or approval by my corporation, alliance or coalition and should not be treated as such. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
578
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Posted - 2013.10.31 15:52:00 -
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Arista Shahni wrote:How strange.
What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness.
As for any SDII presence in Elusenia, it can be assured that the foremost function of the Elusenian Intelligence Agency (EIA) is counter-intelligence. Any FIO presence in our borders will not have a legal mandate until one has been granted either by our government or the Eustron District Court. In short, any Federal intelligence assets in Elusenia will be treated as malignant. Federation Law protects the rights of private corporate land.
All that being said, I'm sure the FIO have better things to do than worry about an island not much bigger than 200 hundred thousand square kilometres. There's at least two other temperate worlds in Vale they have to worry about. |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
171
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:24:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Once again d'Hanguest betrays the trust of those ancestors who earned the exalted title she now abuses. The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs. So? Your Emperor Heideran signed several treaties with the Gallente (CONCORD, Interbus, the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement, the treaty of Girani-FaGÇöto name a few). Your Empress Jamyl Sarum didnGÇÖt even react when the Gallente invaded Kor-Azor, slaughtering her subjects. Treason? Abuse of title? Why remain silent on this matters? If an academic exchange infuriates you, you should be on your way to Dam-Torsad now and demand an end to those imperial perversions! But on the other hand it is no real secret that the unofficial battle cry of PIE is GÇ£double-standard and paranoiaGÇ¥. You should be ashamed of the corrupted lies your lips form!
However tell me, LokGÇÖri, how do I abuse my title by fostering intellectual exchange? The oncologist doesnGÇÖt have to love the cancer to study it.
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness. It is the paranoid style of most imperial capsuleers, one shouldnGÇÖt expect better of them. They only difference they allow between themselves is that of GÇ£Yes!GÇ¥ and GÇ£Yes, Sir!GÇ¥
But by their standards it is a soft reaction. Usually they label everything they donGÇÖt understand heresy. I invite all interested imperial capsuleers to study theology at the Ducal Seminary for the Propagation of Faith 'Armani I' GÇöfor sure it will open many pathways of understanding to you.
With kind regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2160
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:35:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Arista Shahni wrote:How strange. What's so strange about an exchange program between two academic institutes? Alas, sometimes I forget the cluster is the business of promoting close-mindedness. As for any SDII presence in Elusenia, it can be assured that the foremost function of the Elusenian Intelligence Agency (EIA) is counter-intelligence. Any FIO presence in our borders will not have a legal mandate until one has been granted either by our government or the Eustron District Court. In short, any Federal intelligence assets in Elusenia will be treated as malignant. Federation Law protects the rights of private corporate land. All that being said, I'm sure the FIO have better things to do than worry about an island not much bigger than 200 hundred thousand square kilometres. There's at least two other temperate worlds in Vale they have to worry about.
An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think.
Especially when one of those two nationstates has a reputation for espionage. |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
355
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Posted - 2013.10.31 17:43:00 -
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I am sure the Khanid Zealot population of Palas will be Overjoyed at the prospect of heathen Gallente appearing. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
578
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:06:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think.
I cannot reconcile this mindset at all. It's as if just because there is a limited war going on, all empire stargates are locked to denizens of opposing empires. There are thousands of non-Gallente students at the University of Caille, for example, so I see no issue here. Besides, no declaration of war has been formally approved by the Senate towards the Amarr Empire or newly-vassalized Khanid Kingdom. Certainly, the Kingdom is not a participant in the CEMWPA, and I don't recall there ever being any direct confrontation between them and the Federation.
In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1146
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:12:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students.
That is amusing as many Kingdom conservatives would think this program insults the cultural integrity of the Kingdom. Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2160
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:17:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? I'm not so sure that's as common or straightforward as you think. In any case, I think you very mildly insult the cultural integrity of both groups of students.
Silly me, you're quite right. Students do something ill-advised for money? That NEVER happens.
And for a short time I was a frequent visitor to one of the University of Caille campuses, so if you're trying to sell me on the sobriety and sense of the denizens of THAT institution, you're on a hiding to nothing. |

Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
578
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:26:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Silly me, you're quite right. Students do something ill-advised for money? That NEVER happens.
It's a good thing their finances are covered.
Quote:And for a short time I was a frequent visitor to one of the University of Caille campuses, so if you're trying to sell me on the sobriety and sense of the denizens of THAT institution, you're on a hiding to nothing.
Not sure what you mean by this. UoC sits at the top of the higher education ladder. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2163
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:29:00 -
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Students are what we used to call, in the business, an 'At Risk' social grouping. They have a tendency to be highly malleable to media and peer group influences. They tend to, as a group, be more likely to make bad decisions than the norm. They tend to, as a group, engage in risky behaviours than the norm.
They also tend to be susceptible to radicalisation. When you combine that factor with their poor judgement and idealogical malleability you get a very interesting and explosive combination. |
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
180
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:30:00 -
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I'm having a hard time thinking of someone I envy less than either of these two groupings. It'll never end well. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
13
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Posted - 2013.10.31 18:56:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
To the Interested Public,
you may rest assured that all necessary measures are taken that this academic exchange will be an interesting and stimulation experience for all participating parties. The Khanid Kingdom has always been open to interstellar exchange and is very experienced in dealing with the dynamics of interstellar interaction.
The measures taken include appropriate security procedures and screenings, continuous monitoring and evaluations. In addition, a manual of proper conduct will be handed out to the arriving Elusenian exchange students, and special tutors from the ducal seminaryGÇÖs missionary department will be assigned to help the students acculturating. The failure to obey local law will not be persecuted without recognising any special rights and cultural differences.
Notwithstanding ill-advised voices, Her Grace the Duchess is convinced that the exchange programme between the Duchy of Palas and the Cooperative Republic of EluseniaGÇöin a spirit of mutual interest and the desire for knowledge and educationGÇöwill be a success and add to the spreading of the Word.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Chancellor of the Ducal Council
P.S.: Ms Shahni, we would like to point out that the current director of the Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque, Ms Nicoletta Mithra, is a University of Caille alumni. Since you had nothing more to say, we are sure that you find new employment in aGÇöpertaining to your viewsGÇöless corrupted environment.
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |

Augustus Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative Celestial Imperative
24
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Posted - 2013.10.31 19:11:00 -
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On behalf of the Director of Education and the University of Elusenia, I seek to clarify personally the competitive nature of the exchange programme's application process. Academic scores and interview performance is not enough to successfully win a place on the programme. The assessment of personality is prime, to the point that poor scoring can be overcome by demonstrating a positive moral character, and inversely a relatively less positive moral character can undermine a high score. Consequentially, only students who can demonstrate their cultural flexibility will be shortlisted. Students who can already speak the Amarrian or Khanid language will also be shortlisted presuming all other prerequisites are met.
Augustus Inhonores Director-General Cooperative Republic of Elusenia |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2166
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:38:00 -
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If you choose to call educated and experienced feedback "ill advised voices" then the manners of Her Grace's hall are much reduced of late.
I actually attended a six month duty rotation in the Kingdom. |

Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
13
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Posted - 2013.10.31 20:56:00 -
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In the Name of the Lord
Colonel Tuulinen,
your voice and those of our allies in the State is always dulcet and welcome to us. By no means we were referring to you.
Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Chancellor of the Ducal Council
Concordia, Integritas, Industria |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2166
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Posted - 2013.10.31 21:06:00 -
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Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:In the Name of the Lord Colonel Tuulinen, your voice and those of our allies in the State is always dulcet and welcome to us. By no means we were referring to you. Yours sincerely, Morijah dGÇÖHanguest Chancellor of the Ducal Council
My, now that is more like my recollection of courtly Kingdom manners. My apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:39:00 -
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Interesting, isnGÇÖt it, when confronted with arguments, Gaven LokGÇÖri ducks and covers. Or is he on his way to Dam-Torsad already? Maybe I forgot that the battle cry of PIE Inc. also includes turning a blind eye on evidence.
Regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.01 17:55:00 -
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Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly.
As for your argument: you are comparing fedos to slaver hounds.
Heideran's treaties were made when the Empire was not in a state of war with the Federation. The incursion into Kor-Azor that you mention merely highlights the fact that you are inviting nationals from a state that is at war with the Amarr into Khanid territory. Neither is comparable to starting an exchange program in the middle of a war.
Also, intellectual exchange is only a virtue when you propogate good ideas through the intellectual exchange. When false ideas are propogated it become Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
178
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:14:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly. Oh. Really? After reviewing your recent activity I was under the impression that you havenGÇÖt.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Heideran's treaties were made when the Empire was not in a state of war with the Federation. The incursion into Kor-Azor that you mention merely highlights the fact that you are inviting nationals from a state that is at war with the Amarr into Khanid territory. Neither is comparable to starting an exchange program in the middle of a war. Now it gets tricky. You are using a misdeedGÇösome would say treasonous actGÇöof your Empress to justify your criticism. Still that wasnGÇÖt my question. What is your opinion about an Empress that allows the Federal Navy to attack Imperial citizens?
And I remind you, you wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:The Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costs. So when the Gallente way of thought is a cancer that at all costs should be kept away from faithful Amarrians why does it matter if the Empire is at war or not with the Federation when making such a treaty?
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Also, intellectual exchange is only a virtue when you propogate good ideas through the intellectual exchange. Such as spreading of the Word?
Regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.01 18:49:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Or perhaps I have better things to do than monitor all of your posts constantly. Oh. Really? After reviewing your recent activity I was under the impression that you havenGÇÖt.
Do you really think that talking on this cesspool is my primary duty?
Quote: What is your opinion about an Empress that allows the Federal Navy to attack Imperial citizens?
We are at war. Attacks across the borders of a nation at war are not exactly rare; sometimes those attacks succeed. Your argument of treason carries no water and shows a basic ignorance of how war works.
Quote: Such as spreading of the Word?
If you were propagating the word rather than heretical lies, it would be a start towards you acting your station. I expect, however, that you will continue acting like a spoiled brat who wants attention and will continue to embrace any scheme or heresy that might cause her to receive attention. Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |
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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
197
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Posted - 2013.11.01 19:43:00 -
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I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth. |

Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
2190
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Posted - 2013.11.01 20:42:00 -
[32] - Quote
Andrea Okazon wrote:I wish both parties the best of luck and all success in their studies. Exposure to different cultures is a powerful contributor to personal growth.
Just so long as someone keeps the trimming shears handy... |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
182
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:17:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Do you really think that talking on this cesspool is my primary duty? Yes.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:We are at war. Attacks across the borders of a nation at war are not exactly rare; sometimes those attacks succeed. Your argument of treason carries no water and shows a basic ignorance of how war works. Please, donGÇÖt play stupid. Consult the history books:
Quote:A week later, Federation Navy ships crossed into the Amarr Empire through Aridia.The Imperial Navy allowed the ships to travel unmolested, though they scrambled and followed the foreign fleet. The Federation ships eventually made their way to Kador Prime, where they began assaulting several Kador stations. The Amarr Navy continued to remain passive, sitting on standby three systems away while private ships aligned with the Kador Family engaged the invaders. The intense fighting ended almost as soon as it began, with the Federation fleet withdrawing suddenly.
It was eventually revealed that a traitorous admiral wanted for crimes against the Federation was being harbored by Uriam Kador. The strike was carried out to retrieve the admiral, a mission that was successful. Considering the lack of retaliation by the Amarr Navy, it was widely assumed that Empress Jamyl I gave permission for the Federation actions. And again you havenGÇÖt answered my questions. Why did Heideran VII sign numerous treaties with the Gallente if GÇ£the Gallente way of thought is a cancer that should be kept away from faithful Amarrians at all costsGÇ¥? (And why did he accept the Aidonis award?)
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:If you were propagating the word rather than heretical lies, it would be a start towards you acting your station. I expect, however, that you will continue acting like a spoiled brat who wants attention and will continue to embrace any scheme or heresy that might cause her to receive attention. If you were propagating anything that goes beyond blind, unquestioning and silly obedience clothed in ossified and pretentious affectation, I will probably reconsider taking your words serious. Until that I advise you to repent for your lies and treacherous slander.
Regards, Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Constantin Baracca
189
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:54:00 -
[34] - Quote
Now everyone calm down, it's an academic exchange. Surely, if we're considering the current skirmishes and legislated warfare a true war, then peace is only going to come through understanding. While, on the one hand, it may give people bad ideas in both groups, it might be that they absorb the benefits of each others' cultures and ignore their ills. All things are possible when people take their education seriously.
I have high hopes for these exchanges. If cultural exchange was impossible and worthy only of the axe, I would have lost my head years ago. "What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"
-Matthew 16:26 |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.02 03:28:00 -
[35] - Quote
Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense.
As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Rioghal Morgan
Pixel Navigators
69
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Posted - 2013.11.02 04:30:00 -
[36] - Quote
The cries of distress at this idea from the Amarr in this thread are enough to make me want this endeavor to succeed. |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
894
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Posted - 2013.11.02 08:17:00 -
[37] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war?
Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone.
I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant.
Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
616
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Posted - 2013.11.02 10:40:00 -
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Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along.
The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ?
You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ? |

Odelya d'Hanguest
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES 24eme Legion Etrangere
183
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:01:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense. I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. It is lamentable, but it is the truth. Foreign political machinations forced the Empire into a limited renewal of its sacred duty, the Reclaiming. Not ex scripturis, not ex pietate the Reclaiming was relaunched but ex accidente. Blessed are the righteous Khanid who had not to endure the profane reign of Heideran VII, these sorrowful decades of decline and depravity. I love the Kingdom and the Empire with all my heart and I pray for the day when the vice-ridden usurpers will be smitten.
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:The fact that you want to chose your own path rather than be obedient to the Amarrian order is why you are a heretic. It is selfish and stupid and not befitting a holder of a noble title. You don't even seem to be obedient to your King, otherwise you wouldn't follow the Tetrimonic nonsense or work to ferment discord between Kingdom and Empire at a time in which King Khanid is working for exactly the opposite. From the blasphemous paradox of putting the Emperor into GodGÇÖs place, comes all your failure and delusion. You are not worthy of calling yourself Amarr. You are a corrupted and self-righteous idolater. A pagan has more worth than you and your entire rotten organisation.
Down with the Usurpers of Holy and Eternal Amarr! Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House dGÇÖHanguest Book of Prayers GÇö GalNet Profile GÇö Viva la Legion! GÇö Laudetur Khanid! |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
91
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:25:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space. Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ? You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ?
I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree.
Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1507
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:47:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:You are using a misdeedGÇösome would say treasonous actGÇöof your Empress to justify your criticism.
Do you say that it was treasonous? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:54:00 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Makkal Hanaya wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:An exchange of impressionable young students between two nation states that are ostensibly at war? Technically, I don't believe the Kingdom is at war with anyone. I'd need to check, but I believe Gallente militia pilots can enter Kingdom high security space legally and that there are no contested Kingdom/Federation systems. Attacking Imperial ships can lower your standing with the Kingdom to the point where you're not allowed in Kingdom space, but that's because you're a criminal, not an enemy combatant. Of course, now someone far more knowledgeable than I will come along. The last time I checked that was true, the same way it is true in Mandate space. Gaven Lok'ri wrote: As for Heideran, those were different times. God willed that Amarr work for peace for that century and Heideran worked with him. We are no longer at peace, thanks to the treachery of the Matari and the economic support the Gallente give to the Matari. While Heideran worked for Peace, he did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture.
If I understand correctly sir, Heideran did not work to introduce Gallente ideas into Amarrian Culture. And allying with them would go against that ? You do not need to introduce the ideas of a culture in yours to be allied with someone. Would you say that the Caldari culture impregnated the Amarrian one, following your logic ? I find the idea disturbing. Are you sure of what you seem to imply ? I think you are misreading my comments. I believe we agree. Odelya was the one suggesting that Heideran's treaty with the Gallente was equivalent to her sponsoring Gallente scholars to come to Amarr and study Amarrian religion like a bug under a microscope.
Oh I see..
Equivalent, I can not tell. I find the idea rather good, though. Amarrian Faith commands to learn, and learning about other cultures is also part of it. Learning does not systematically equate to adopting, if that is what you fear.
And if that really happens and is deemed dangerous by Amarrian authorities, then you know which teachers are to blame. Adding the blame to the initiative does not make any sense if said initiative is profitable. |

Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
92
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Posted - 2013.11.02 12:54:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Really, do you believe everything you read now? That explains why you could be suckered in by the Tetrimon's nonsense. I examine my sources and independently judge them in the light of tradition and reason, which cannot be said of you. All you do is write apologetics of why the deeds of emperors were always good. You have created a new Zaragram, and like his name, yours and those of all who follow the blasphemers, will be struck from the Book of Records when the upstanding emerge victorious.
The only part of your drivel that I want to address is the absurd idea that we have created a new Mad Emperor. How could we possibly accomplish such a feat?
Saying that it is not the place of those as far down in the chain of authority as either of us to question the Emperor is not the same as saying that the Emperor cannot be misguided. If we were a Speaker of Truth, a Member of the Privy Council, or a member of the Theology Council, then we would have the authority to criticize the Empresses Actions. We do not have that authority and pretending that we do is hubris.
Lord Admiral of PIE Inc."Face the enemy as a solid wall /-áFor faith is your armor /-áAnd through it, the enemy will find no breach /-áWrap your arms around the enemy /-áFor faith is your fire-áAnd with it, burn away his evil"- The Scriptures, Amarr Askura 10:3 |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
617
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Posted - 2013.11.02 14:04:00 -
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Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1507
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Posted - 2013.11.02 15:44:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? Because reporting crime to the authorities is the duty of every Amarrian subject.
Also PIE has never overstepped its legal authority. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Shirin Khashour
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:42:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ?
The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue.
Commandant of PAux.-á"Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 71:21 |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
623
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:01:00 -
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Shirin Khashour wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:Then why even bother to posture against so called heretics and apostates every day, pointing fingers at others that PIE Inc deems heretics, accusing of heresy again here and here and here and what not like you seem to always do ?
You say this is not your place to decide such matters, and so, would you be guilty of hubris yourselves admiral ? The Admiral specifically was talking about who has the right to judge the Empress and those who are at the height of Amarrian authority. Noticing and pointing out heretic capsuleers is an entirely different issue.
I am not sure that you are accredited to rule out which capsuleer is or is not heretic as well - since it is the TC and MIO job - as admiral Blake pointed out above.
PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1166
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:15:00 -
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I unfortunately have to agree with the Imperial robe-kissers; While the height of Imperial impropriety to criticize those -above- one's station... criticizing those at or below is all well and good under the right circumstances.
And since I imagine most of PIE and greater Amarr would consider Duchy-kins below their station they rightly see nothing wrong with calling her out on just about everything.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
624
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:27:00 -
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I am unsure that you imagine right, lady Vitalia... |

Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
900
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Posted - 2013.11.02 19:49:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:PIE Inc sure seems to enjoy finger pointing though.
Finger-pointing is a long and proud tradition within greater Amarr and I for one am glad to see PIE upholding its cultural roots. If you can't count on a conservative, authoritarian group to judge their peers, we might as well start inviting wolves to the dinner table. Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's. |
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James Syagrius
The Philalethes Society
586
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:04:00 -
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Dispute the expressed misgivings of those whose political or personal agendas oppose cultural exchange between the Federation and the Kingdom, I think this effort is an absolutely wonderful idea.
I will watch with great interest how the exchange progresses.
I hope in the future we can hear from the students themselves regarding there perspectives and experiences. GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
http://syagrius-eve.blogspot.com/
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